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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 05 2015 20:18 GMT
#50
/in

ayeeE more time
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 10 2015 01:04 GMT
#97
Confirmed. :3
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 10 2015 14:02 GMT
#108
Imma be a bit late to the start but should be back on 1 or 2 hours after it. c: Hopefully not a problem. Or, you could, you know, say it's a 100% scum tell.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 14:46 GMT
#154
We are all sheep.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 17:20 GMT
#159
On July 11 2015 23:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
We are all sheep.

On that note imma sheep n00bKing.

##vote NydusHerMain
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 17:27 GMT
#160
On July 12 2015 01:49 TJHuggins wrote:
My initial reads so far is that i am town leaning on Fidei. I like the things he said in relation to spamming, and I think that him relating the perspective to a previous game where he was town feels like he's looking at the game from the perspective of a town. When he responded to HTS regarding talking about anti-spam being easy, he seems genuine. Or maybe it's just because I like his writing. No clue.

My initial scum read is Grokken. It's nothing all that strong but I'm getting a wierd feeling about the things he's posted. To me it feels like he is trying to find ways to participate and seem town by chiming in now and again but really has no clue what to write about.

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On July 11 2015 09:36 Grokken wrote:
On July 11 2015 09:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My blood sense is telling me to lynch everyone who knows what theyre doing


We should listen to this guy, he seems to know what he is doing.


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On July 11 2015 13:27 Grokken wrote:
On July 11 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
Hi, back home. You guys are fucking boring me.

##Vote: Fidei

I don't like the way this guy posts early


Can you elaborate on this? What in particular is it that you don't like?


I think that one sentence posts that appear to contribute to the game and don't really offer anything just kind of irk me the wrong way. I guess it's worth noting he did write that thing about Dota as well which was also one sentence but that's neither here nor there when it comes to the game I think. When I went back and read the post about him showing off his dota stats that actually reads to me a bit more towny now that I think about it, so not really sure.

just an initial read.

I don't agree with this but let's see what Ghandi says.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 17:30 GMT
#161
On July 11 2015 22:32 Fidei86 wrote:
@HTS I agree that it's easy to talk anti-spam. And it's also obviously possible to play a perfectly good scum game without either spamming or lurking. But my view is that if we build a good town atmosphere with all townies being active but not spammy, it makes it much harder for even good scum players to hide. If I start lurking or spamming, that'll be a good sign I'm Mafia. But since I'm town, I'll do my best to stick to my words.

One thing that irks me is that I know that you aren't the biggest fan of spam either. Obviously this thread is much more in danger of being too quiet than too loud, but I would have hoped you'd join me echoing my words. Why the change of heart? Or have you just got your game face on (which, admittedly, wouldn't be very alignment indicative..)

You weren't in the last Newbie Student Mafia game. T.T WaveofShadow and Trfel were the perfect townies from start to end and fooled us all. So I don't really think this is something you should completely put your faith in.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 17:53 GMT
#164
On July 12 2015 02:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Grokken's first post seems pretty innocuous to me, and even if there was something sinister behind it, reading someone at all in the first few posts creates poor conclusions, imo.

Second post there is sketchier to me, in that it seems serious in its attempts to prod the town, despite not actually bringing up any discussion that will lead to a conclusion. That's a little smelly to me. That said, it's tiny enough that it could fly either way.

Day 1 reads are all luck anyways :|

Exactly what I was thinking. His first post seems to be more of a first page banter post. The second one is asking for clarification although as you say, it leads nowhere. But then again, newer players have a tendency to ask for clarification without having a drive behind it.

Any thoughts on the suspicion of you Ghandi? :3
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 17:55 GMT
#165
NydusHerMain please explain your shift in attitude as well. :3
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 17:59 GMT
#166
Let's talk guys. I want to create a monster filter so that no one can accuse me of Mafia. :3
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 20:30 GMT
#174
On July 12 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
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On July 12 2015 02:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Let's talk guys. I want to create a monster filter so that no one can accuse me of Mafia. :3


On this quote itself, this could be self-consciousness (a scum tell) or it could be an earnest townie just wanting to play the game, but then again scum wouldn't make this so obvious. Newbie scum....ehhhh probably not. Probably a slight townlean, maybe I'm wrong, I don't know how MD played last game.

I was an earnest townie last Newbie Student Mafia game with a monster filter. :3 Besides ruXxar everyone pretty much knew I was a townie which is why I want to change things up here and make things interesting.

Also @Sulfurus, that's a terrible post. There's no way for me to make a monster filter without a conversation except by spamming which won't help us in any way.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 20:35 GMT
#175
On July 12 2015 04:17 Half the Sky wrote:
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On July 11 2015 22:32 Fidei86 wrote:
@HTS I agree that it's easy to talk anti-spam. And it's also obviously possible to play a perfectly good scum game without either spamming or lurking. But my view is that if we build a good town atmosphere with all townies being active but not spammy, it makes it much harder for even good scum players to hide. If I start lurking or spamming, that'll be a good sign I'm Mafia. But since I'm town, I'll do my best to stick to my words.

One thing that irks me is that I know that you aren't the biggest fan of spam either. Obviously this thread is much more in danger of being too quiet than too loud, but I would have hoped you'd join me echoing my words. Why the change of heart? Or have you just got your game face on (which, admittedly, wouldn't be very alignment indicative..)


I honestly didn't feel it needed repeating (it stood on its own) and just wanted to start seeing what I could get out of the thread. I definitely agree to discourage spam as much as possible but at the same time don't ignore the lurkers. Similarly as was already said, there are high volume posters that do play well as mafia. Sometimes you might also get a milder form of spam if you have too many conversational posters. I can't remember where I said this before but I've said it multiple times now - there's conversational and case based posting and inevitably some people are going to have longer filters if they do engage in long - even if useful - conversation.

That said I think either way if people keep things to the point, EBWOPs aside, spam really shouldn't be an issue. That said, this post by Grokken

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=129&topic_id=488742

was called into question and honestly I don't think this warrants a scum read - if he's scum, it's not going to be for this.

In the context of that entire conversation, there's nothing but sarcasm, to me it's just a cheeky post especially considering the "oh shit you got me" response Gandhi posted after that. The two of them (him and Gandhi) seem pretty carefree like they don't really care what people think of them, which actually warrant a town tell.

The second quote that was called into question -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=8#148

First off - one liners aren't alignment indicative either way - like I said before someone might try to evaluate conversation as they have it. I don't think it's reasonable to scum read him largely because NHM hasn't been back to respond so how are you setting up the expectation already that he needs to follow up? There's nothing to follow up on.

I think Grokken is a townlean based on his first few posts, it is reasonable for a new player to question something that seems off or may warrant an explanation - and I agree it does.

I don't think TJ is being reasonable to set up the follow-up expectation when it's pretty clear where the expectation lies - the answer to that particular question. A haste to judgement is a scumlean (esp for a player I don't know).

I'd prefer it if you let Grokken speak for himself. This might have been the jail free card that he was looking for.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 20:35 GMT
#176
^ But I did read it that same way btw.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 22:49 GMT
#182
On July 12 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
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On July 12 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I was an earnest townie last Newbie Student Mafia game with a monster filter. :3 Besides ruXxar everyone pretty much knew I was a townie which is why I want to change things up here and make things interesting.

Change things up in what way? Are you saying you want to vary your play? Or do you mean something else?

Ofc vary my play. I'm not sure how you could read this any other way. o.O

Eh, good post Grokken. You'll catch on quickly to TL Mafia. We basically analyze, cross analyze, then analyze some more of people's filters before finding contradictions or scum reads to lynch ppl. If you want to push something on someone, write up a "case" similar to the one you've written but with bullet points with quotes for evidence. So what you've been doing is pretty good.

For people wondering, what I do is find townreads and work from there so don't expect me to be finding Mafia anytime soon.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 23:42 GMT
#188
On July 12 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:
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On July 12 2015 07:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 12 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
On July 12 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I was an earnest townie last Newbie Student Mafia game with a monster filter. :3 Besides ruXxar everyone pretty much knew I was a townie which is why I want to change things up here and make things interesting.

Change things up in what way? Are you saying you want to vary your play? Or do you mean something else?

Ofc vary my play. I'm not sure how you could read this any other way. o.O

I could not think of any other way to read it. But I wanted to give you a chance to dig yourself out of that hole anyway, since "vary my play" would be a stupid answer.

You were town and you were widely townread, and you were night-killed on Night 2, after I had been night-killed on Night 1. Now you want to "change things up" and "make things interesting" by varying your play, so that people will NOT be able to townread you so easily? How is that good strategy, Moosy? If you're town, shouldn't you WANT your alignment to be evident again, as it was in that game?

You sound like you are pre-emptively making excuses for not matching your own town play. So that if someone like Sulfurus or Scott or myself says "Moosy is playing nothing like he did in the last game...where he was town" you'll be able to say "Well I already told you I was going to vary my play this time!"

See what I'm saying?

I see what you're saying but posting the same way would just be boring for me and everyone else. Eh, just keep an open mind about me.

Also, n00bKing, you need to stop creating specific scenarios. Like, it's cool you can think that far ahead unlike me but then you'll just fall into the hole that ruXxar did and interpret everything I do as Mafia. We saw his rationale for why he thought I was Mafia and it was pretty convoluted and not pretty.

Anyway, things are already becoming interesting what with people thinking I'm Mafia. And that's the goal of this game for me. To make life interesting. :3
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 11 2015 23:44 GMT
#189
I guess the least that I can say is that I'm trying to find Mafia in a different way than creating a monster filter / sheeping cases with an earnest playstyle like I did last game.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 12 2015 03:15 GMT
#196
On July 12 2015 08:56 Fidei86 wrote:
You said about ten posts ago that you were going to be town-hunting at first. Now you're saying that you're scum-hunting. Which is it??

I said I'm changing things up. :3
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 12 2015 03:16 GMT
#197
Oh man I feel bad. XD I'm like anti-town at best right now. We'll see where this goes. These posts are starting to get interesting.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 12 2015 03:21 GMT
#201
On July 12 2015 12:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 12:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 12 2015 08:56 Fidei86 wrote:
You said about ten posts ago that you were going to be town-hunting at first. Now you're saying that you're scum-hunting. Which is it??

I said I'm changing things up. :3


You're not particularly answering the question. Maybe it might help if you answered the one I just posed.

Not particularly interested in something because I'm still waiting but whatever.

I try and form who I think are the core of townies and work from there. I do tend to sheep cases in the earlier stages of the game but it's not because I'm mindless. Something to keep in mind.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 12 2015 03:41 GMT
#203
On July 12 2015 12:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 12:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 12 2015 12:18 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 12 2015 12:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 12 2015 08:56 Fidei86 wrote:
You said about ten posts ago that you were going to be town-hunting at first. Now you're saying that you're scum-hunting. Which is it??

I said I'm changing things up. :3


You're not particularly answering the question. Maybe it might help if you answered the one I just posed.

Not particularly interested in something because I'm still waiting but whatever.

I try and form who I think are the core of townies and work from there. I do tend to sheep cases in the earlier stages of the game but it's not because I'm mindless. Something to keep in mind.


And what if town are on the wrong track? How do we know you aren't taking advantage of that as scum?

You don't. Which is why things are interesting. :D
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