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"*new player - played in 3 or fewer previous TL mafia games. That means if this would be your 4th game, you are eligible" I have read this in multiple newbie threads, but isn't it : you aren't eligible if it is your 4th game? I'm confused | ||
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I understand what you're saying, but it feels like such an unnatural sentence to me. Maybe my English is just messed up Thanks anyways edit; @Onegu, it's my 1st  | ||
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On June 30 2015 18:39 Tictock wrote: This is fine, it is really clear if you read it carefully. I think your brain sees 3 and it likes to make that assumption that 3 is the important number, but the way the text reads makes total sense. Especially with the word "previous" clarifying that it is mafia games PRIOR to this one that you are counting. effectively reads the same as So both ways of saying it are fine. It's a clarification of the first point anyways which imo doesn't even need to be there. My Point? WonnaPlay is arguing semantics, and is clearly mafia. ##VOTE: WonnaPlay WIFOM + Show Spoiler + Or am I mafia for pushing on his arguing of semantics? + Show Spoiler + We'll never know... I'm not playing this game! My brain sees the sentences as contradicting; "You're a new player if you have played 0-3 times mafia." "You are eligible when it is your 4th game." I understand your explanation, it just tickles my sad Dutch brain. | ||
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As for my background in Mafia, I have none, but I have played "Werewolves of Miller's Hollow", which is similar I guess. My initial thoughts are that there are some people who are actually trying to help the discussion so far and some people are just trying to create chaos. In my opinion people who try to create chaos aren't playing happily for the village. NHM : somehow votes really really early, without having a solid argument. MoosyDoosy: Votes on NHM with the motto of sheep. I'm not particularly fond of sheep, becuse in that case it seems like you will vote with anyone, just so you don't get killed during the day, which seems conspicuous. He does seem to "try" to help, but voting on himself afterwards isn't really helpfull either. My first impression on MD is that he is trying to create too much chaos, which is scumlike. But in the same time it seems like he is just trying to provoke alot of people, which is townlike i guess? Scott : somehow says he has a townlead towards Fidei, but hasn't said anything since, nor did he do anything to explain his thoughts, which seems just really random. TJHuggins : seems to be trying to find out more information on certain partys, which is better (imo) than spraying confusement. HTS: seems to be really forward in his questions calling people onto their nonsense, which could be really strong mafia play, but for now it seems like he is legitimately hunting. Ghandi : I don't really know what he's thinking, he seems to try to avoid policy lynches on the first day, which I can understand, but it could also just be easy targeting/avoiding death. I don't have experience with this game, but I doubt that "Day 1 reads are all luck anyways" is true.. I think you can really come to some sort of fruition about some people.. Kelsier : So far he has only spammed nonesense into this thread, which is confusing for everyone. I think mafia players like chaos in the game, so in this case Kelsier is doing a "good" thing, by being a bit active without doing anything to help the town at all. Sulfurus : just randomly said he had the cop check, but I assume this is to get some reactions to it. Hasn't really said much since.. n00bking / grokken/ fidei: has actually tried to get more explanations / reactions out of people which is good for the village imo. silentwarrior : really is kinda silent.. . It's really hard to tell, especially since it is in the beginning of the game, but seeing that Kelsier has alot of experience and is only trying to create chaos, is worrying for me. Some others which seems untrustworthy aren't making a mess out of the rest of the town, so for me MoosyDoosy and Kelsier are the most dangerous at this moment.. | ||
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On July 12 2015 21:29 Fidei86 wrote: WonnaPlay - welcome to TL Mafia (he says, only having had two prior games of experience). Who are you thinking about lynching at the moment? Hi, Thanks As I said in my other post, my 2 most 'dangerous' villagers are MD and Kelsier, just for the fact that they're creating chaos. If they are townies, I don't think their prime objective would be chaos creation. So I would probably vote for one of these 2, unless they come up with a decent post in the coming 9 hours. I'll also wait for Scott's reaction, because he claimed to post something soon. You just said Kelsier is a really good player, yet to me he showed signs of the most scummie player. Maybe it was on purpose, maybe it was not. Untill he explains himself he's the #1 suspect for me | ||
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On July 12 2015 22:07 KelsierSC wrote: I will send out the message from my cabin but I see no reason to abandon my sanctuary to the "chaotic" game I created. Groken and Wp look like scum so far . Terrible list posts early in the game. Why is a list post a terrible thing in the early game? I'm just trying to share my thoughts, where in your case you just share your conclusion without any effort to back it up. I was also told by my parents since I was young, that I shouldn't trust people in cabins.. On July 12 2015 22:17 Fidei86 wrote: Also, can you give us any insight as to whether you're pulling the Chezniu/Onegu card, or not? Please explain to me what the "Chezniu/Onegu card is. On July 12 2015 22:03 Fidei86 wrote: Also, am I right in thinking that English is not your first language? (If it isn't, it's still a hell of a lot better than my Dutch, believe me - and this is coming from someone who once dated a Dutch girl for six months). It's not my first language indeed.. Is it this terrible?  I also don't think you can learn Dutch in six months  | ||
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So basically Kelsier is trying to get newer players to attack him, because he is sowing nonsense. To see if other people just blatantly follow those new players, which means that those followers or "sheep" are probably mafia players looking to get an easy kill? If this is what he's doing, then I think that his posts make more sense indeed, however I think it's provoking the wrong reactions in a newbie game. | ||
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I'll be honest, I wasn't planning on voting for Sulfurus when I was awake, since I had no argument against him, but seeing the last posts do give a bit of a tell... I would have probably voted for Kelsier, since he still makes nonsense conclusions without any background or maybe MD, because of his style... Even in the end Kelsier seems to just follow blindly, but did vote for the scum, so eventhough I really dislike his way of playing, I think he's a town after all. I doubt scum would vote on one of their own in the first day, but then again, this would be a very strong play, especially against us "noobies". I'm also unsure if it's smart to post my thoughts during the night, but f*ck it.. : I'm unsure how to handle people that aren't here at all (eventhough I messed up aswell these first days :/), since Scott and NHM have absolutely done nothing to contribute. Also Ghandi's posts are very, very contradicting with eachother: [quote so Day 1 we might as well just flush out all of the lurkers, which I may work on when I get off work in a couple hours.[/quote] I'm strictly against considering policy lynches this early in the day. I'm saying we should get everyone to start talking because lurkers quickly become scapegoats, Sorry about being useless/afk, small stuff that takes priority came up. From now on I have my full attention on the game, will drop in my current reads (spoilers; I don't trust Moose) later. Right after this, goes AFK again..? | ||
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That leaves a couple of others which raise alot of questions. First I'd like to address that Ghandi's reasoning is all over the place. First he wants to flush out lurkers, because these are either scapegoats or newbies: I'm saying we should get everyone to start talking because lurkers quickly become scapegoats, especially in newbie games where lurkers are often people who are just unsure of what to say. But then later "defends" Scott (who is a veteran) for lurking : On July 14 2015 08:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote: 10) scottblahblahnumbers The WORST kind of lurker, if he was maf, I'd be willing to bet he'd be more active, especially since he's not on the noob list; who plays mafia multiple times without wanting to actually participate? For that reasoning he's really town to me, but damn I hate how he's basically not in the game. It's frustrating. As I said earlier, I'm not really getting a good read from Ghandi, but he's becoming more scummy for me with almost every post. On July 14 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote: MD and Scott fall into somewhat null territory but with slight townreads. Scott made that one post where he put everyone on the Sulf wagon as town. Scum need to get town to lynch town, so listing that many people as town seems like a bad move for scum to make. Its not strong, but its enough for me to lean a little more town on Scott. I completely disagree, it's just a copy/paste post with a sloppy conclusion. I think anyone can make such a summary and wouldn't affect the game at all. Since he's literally not adding anything to the discussion, this post (Scott's) feels very scumlike, instead of townie... As I was unsure about NHM, I'm also pretty unsure about TickTock, I think more towny of him than I did with NHM, so for the time being I think it's important to prioritize others. Top scumlist for me : 1] Scott - Gets defended by some people, without him having done anything. I think one of the people talking for him is atleast scum, defending scum. It would also explain the post Sulfurus made about "unvalid vote" and would even explain the night kill on Kelsier (if what you guys saying is true about veterans killing Kelsier). He isn't even AFK, but because he's afraid from HtS and therefore he is lurking, which raises alarmbells all over the place for me.. 2] Ghandi - too sketchy for my taste. The reason I don't have Ghandi on my #1 is that his list looks pretty decent. I'd agree on most points with him there, but who knows if he turns around again after that.. Also his conclusion on Scott being town is totally unwarranted. If Scott turns out to be scum, then Ghandi is one aswell. 3] TJH - made some weird posts during the end of the day regarding the votes, but I could see him being legitimately frustrated about his idea of different rules. I do think that HtS made some solid points, which I can't ignore since she was spot on in the last day. He's also very quiet since that day.. | ||
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Everyone pretty much trusts you at this moment, so claiming Roleblock doesn't add any strength to your township. If someone else would claim RoleBlock and you were roleblocked this night, it would become your word against their word and then it's an easy lynch for all of us. Was it so that it helps figuring out what the scum was thinking or do people just always claim roleblock? | ||
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On July 15 2015 04:03 Half the Sky wrote:- Regarding your Scott/Ghandi/TJH reads, between Scott and Ghandi, who is MORE likely to be scum? And how do you know Ghandi, being the worse of the two from your perpective isn't BSing about Scott? My gut feeling just keeps screaming that Scott is scum, the things I said in my list and then to add this : On July 15 2015 07:18 scott31337 wrote: Yayy I'm dead in the other game so I can concentrate on this one now - I'll do some buttkicking tonight after house cleaning. Hope he'll come back before nightfall and really do post something constructive, but 4 out of 7 of his posts are in the context of "I'll reread and post something later", which is a staggering 57,1%.. If I would look at the direct question : "who is MORE likely to be scum?" ; it would be Ghandi. My rationale can't ignore Ghandi, and since Scott has said so little, it is just a hunge. For Ghandi, I think there are solid points to question his alignment. I will vote for GhandiEagle if everything stays like this, but I'll join n00bking's request for putting pressure on TJH, since I'm also really interested in what he has to say for himself. I think that, if TJH doesn't get pressured into expanding on his thoughts, he won't post them at all. So therefore I will vote for him at this moment, eventhough he is not on top of my scumlist. ##Vote TJHuggins | ||
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When I think about the fact that we had 6 votes on GE, I'm automatically thinking that atleast 1, maybe even both scum are within these 6. This makes it difficult for me, because my whole top 3, consisting of GE, scott and TJH were not in this. That would make me, Grokken, SW,Tick/NHM the most likely scum, since I still can’t see how Hts or fidei can be scum. I know I’m not scum, so that leaves me Grokken /SW and Tick. Out of these 3, I think that the most likely scum is Grokken. When I look at Grokken's filter, he repeated alot of other players instead of coming on conclusions for himself. He voted very early and left it there, probably because GE was making himself even worse at the time. However, ever since this post from GE, Grokken went totally on a kind of defensive mode : On July 16 2015 04:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote: If he started the argument I wouldn't really bother about it, and if he waited until Fidei himself had decided that I was guilty enough to vote, I wouldn't have noticed it either. What he did to me was see an opening and be proactive about it to protect himself and his filter. He looked like someone who was just waiting for someone to hop off of his Scumbuddy TJ's bandwagon. . Ofcourse he had to defend himself, given the fact that townie GE died and suspected him, but he hasn't brought anything new either and just only said some words to defend himself. SW never really said that much, except for one big post on his reasons for GE, which I think wasn’t particularly bad, but as we now know GE was town. His list is basically a summary of what was happening in the game, which could read easily into scum I guess.. As for Tick, I’m not sure what to make of him. Trying the bandwagon on Scott was not a bad idea, and he generally doesn’t come off as that scummy. I’m also wondering what he suddenly sees in TJH, after him saying he has a “big post” coming.. Maybe n00bking is right about his theory about tick/tjh, but it makes it look too easy imo. I don’t think Tick would openly defend another scum while being scum whilst he wasn’t being attacked that greatly. I still feel like Scott is scum. I feel that he’s here mocking us, I have the feeling that he is watching the whole game, but is just refusing to post,to toy with us. When he finally posts, he just posts On July 16 2015 00:25 scott31337 wrote: I've been really busy as well, but I can't forget to vote this time...We don't need any modkilled townies. ##Vote Tjhuggins At this time it's 4 for GE and 4 for TJH, he votes TJH without any explanation as to what. If TJH is scum, then it makes Scott very less likely scum. Since if he’s really afk, then he wouldn’t dare give the TJH the 5th vote as the only other scum. However if TJH isn’t scum then Scott wouldn’t care who gets lynched between GE and TJH. This would make both “options” we had today not scum and makes it so that we were all voting on townies while the scum was laughing. In this case, it wouldn’t be unpossible that Grokken/SW and Scott are the 2 remaining scum and Scott would vote for the other option (since Grokken/SW already voted for GE, Scott chooses the other). This would make a gap between them for tomorrow and gives one of these 2 an optional attack on either TJH or GE (depending on which got killed during the day) and an pretty easy extra town lynch. This is only if TJH isn’t scum, but maybe I’m overthinking this.. I guess I have to wait on what TJH has to say for himself, but so far it doesn’t look good. However, I think that if TJH isn’t scum, then I think Scott and Grokken are both scum. | ||
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On July 17 2015 06:17 scott31337 wrote: So having some free time finally - I did some filter diving - WonnaPlay would be the opposite, with top scumming me. "1] Scott - Gets defended by some people, without him having done anything. I think one of the people talking for him is atleast scum, defending scum. It would also explain the post Sulfurus made about "unvalid vote" and would even explain the night kill on Kelsier (if what you guys saying is true about veterans killing Kelsier). He isn't even AFK, but because he's afraid from HtS and therefore he is lurking, which raises alarmbells all over the place for me.. 2] Ghandi - too sketchy for my taste. The reason I don't have Ghandi on my #1 is that his list looks pretty decent. I'd agree on most points with him there, but who knows if he turns around again after that.. Also his conclusion on Scott being town is totally unwarranted. If Scott turns out to be scum, then Ghandi is one aswell. 3] TJH - made some weird posts during the end of the day regarding the votes, but I could see him being legitimately frustrated about his idea of different rules. I do think that HtS made some solid points, which I can't ignore since she was spot on in the last day. He's also very quiet since that day.. " Well we know Ghandi is town now, as well. That is an one-way if. That GE was town doesn't mean that you are. silentwarrior - He seems to believe in his case, and has some decent points - it could be a mafia case trying to get a mislynch, but I just don't feel that (although he was incorrect) - His posts seem okay for now - he's a null/light town read. He has some decent points? You mean this point? On July 17 2015 02:13 silentwarrior wrote: Ok, so as I say before, I still think that TJHuggins and Scott are the most scummiest right now, and that Blue should act on them. I will give answers about what everyone has said about me d1. So you're agreeing that you're scum and that you should be shot this night? Tictock - his last game made me pretty paranoid. He did a quick vote for Wonna (which I don't care for) but there isn't much else that sticks out at me about him. No tunnels either. Null/scumlean You talk about his last game and about a vote,which happened before the game started? You basically say nothing. Moosy - so he was the other wagon on D1 - There could be that 1% chance that both wagons were scum, but I'm pretty doubtful - so thats something there. He's got some good thoughts in here - and I believe his anger with the d2 vote wasn't "ninja voted" - townlean His anger wasn't ninja-voted? What do you mean? He never ninja-voted, it was a mistake. Excuse me if it's my English breaking down, I just have no clue what you mean. TJH - Not much here to go on - but one of his latest posts - Is pretty bad in my opinion - the votes were pretty interesting at the end - unsure what in his reads have changed either. Null So you have no opinion about any of his earlier posts? You're also unsure what in his reads have changed.. I'll tell you; he's been pretty much afk since end of day 1, so yeah, that changed. ## Sulfurus / WonnaPlay / Tictock for gamecreds I'll be around for about 2-3 hours (finally!) so if you have any questions or things you'd like me to check, please let me know - but it's going to pretty bad (Multiple job interviews, friend broke his ankle, and help another friend buy/move/fix a car - all things I did not plan - have been affecting my time here - I apologize) I'm attacking you, so it's understandable you'd try and attack me back. You read TickTock from a previous and pregame as Scum and you read me as scum because I'm scumming you? I feel bad for your personal stuff and hope you land a job, but it's not only that you're away that I think you're scum. I just wanted you to speak up and see for myself if you're scum or not. That's the reason I didn't join TickTock's wagon to vote for you. However, due to your reasoning and conclusion now, I'm pretty sure that you're scum and that I may just die now.. | ||
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On July 17 2015 06:18 Fidei86 wrote: WonnaPlay is a bit more out of left field, as nobody is scum reading him at the moment. But I think he has been very scummy, for the following reasons: 1. His first list post was just god awful. I've learned a lot about newbie mafia recently from playing a text game with my real life buddies, and one of the classic newbie mafia tells is a list that actually says nothing. LINK. Look in particular at how none of his thoughts actually result in reads, and most end up at a neutral conclusion. The thread was just starting to pick up at that stage, and he may have just felt like he needed to post something. You're completely right, I had the feeling that I needed to post something, so I just typed my heart out and went for it. I was a bit overwhelmed at first about the pace and speed of this game. Even when you guys are complaining about how slow it goes. I had nothing to go on and was happy to lurk, but wanted to atleast let people know that I was there, so I posted a list, since I thought it couldn't do much harm to sum up my thoughts. 2. He come back in after the D1 vote and said he would have gone for his top scum read, KSC D1. Fair enough. However, when it comes towards the end of the day, the two wagons were MD and Sulfurus. If I'm town and I've got a choice between a null read and my number two scum read, I'm hammering my scum read every single time, and I'm definitely not just wasting my vote on a third party. I don't see why that is a bad thing. My top scum read was kelsier and didn't want to follow others like a sheep, whilst I wasn't sure on Sulfurus myself. "not waste my vote on a third party" = "never trust any third party and believe in yourself". I don't know why I would say that I would've voted for Kelsier if I was scum. I could have said nothing, or I could have said that I would've voted for Sulfurus, which is equally believable. 3. He votes on TJH, despite there being rumbles of voting on both of his top scum reads, GE and Scott. And this was when the vote was getting somewhat close. I only voted on TJH for joining n00bking in pressuring TJH, I said during my vote on TJH, that I would still vote for GE. | ||
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I don't know if its worth much, since i'm not as townie as you two but; I did not get roleblocked. | ||
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