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On July 13 2015 08:05 silentwarrior wrote:Hey guys, good lynch. As of now, I think that, aside from those who voted on sulfurus, these two are town: Grokken and MoosyDoosy. MoosyDoosy is a little obvious, sulfurus woulnd't go for him if he was another mafia. And a sacrifice here seems unlikely, seeing as MoosyDoosy was nowhere a done deal, so he could have been saved still. Sulfurus getting on the MoosyDoosy train seems like a way to just vote on the most popular one and slip by. He basically admitted to doing this even. Then Grokken is because of this post: Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 06:22 Grokken wrote:
I figure it's time for me to make an actual post now that the thread is getting more active.
Sulfurus:
Has made a few posts, but only one-liners and contentless posts. I know you are here and reading the thread, why not try to post something more useful? Neutral read so far, maybe slight scumlean. He pings sulfurus as a scum lean fairly early, before any of the recent suspicion started. That means that most likely that they aren't mafia partners, as mafia will not give scumlean to their own partners when there is no other big suspicion on him. This leads me to believe that he is town as well.
Actually, I think that "when there is no other big suspicion on him" is a good time to scumlean a mafia teammate. Because it's unlikely that anything will come of it in the near term. And if something does come of it later, you'd be able to say "I was scumreading that guy since Day 1!"
That post from Grokken is probably a point in his favor, but it still leaves plenty of room for error.
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On July 13 2015 08:25 silentwarrior wrote:
I also lean town on TJHuggins, since he posted that sulfurus was his second on scum list. This was also before any of the voting began, though after sulfurus posted that super scummy post and was tagged for it by Half the sky. Still a good townlean for me.
Also, i get a townvibe from wonnaplay.
Of course, I could be all wrong about this, and mafia decided to sacrifice sulfurus, but dont really think so right now. Regardless, those reamaining that I think the mafia is among is : scott31337, GhandiEAGLE, NydusHerMain. One or two of these three are probably mafia.
Okay, so apparently I don't agree with much that silentwarrior has to say during Night 1.
"Second on scum list" is a fairly commonplace spot for mafia to put their teammates. Say that he looks scummy (in case he gets lynched) but don't actually try to get him lynched, because someone else is first on your scum list.
And for you to be "all wrong about this" doesn't really require mafia to have sacrificed Sulfurus. He could have been lynched against their will, and your reads could still be wrong anyway.
Of course, you having reads that are different from mine doesn't make you scum (and doesn't even make you wrong)...but I still don't have to like it!
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On July 12 2015 01:02 scott31337 wrote:
Good Morning... Let me wake up a bit more and re-read, but I don't see a whole lot to go on so far that sticks out at me - except a slight town lean on Fidei.
This is literally scotts only post, and it is wierd that he would say he needs to reread anything on the 3rd page of the game.
I'm used to town!scott being more involved, so I'm thinking he rolled scum this game.
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On July 13 2015 09:22 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 08:12 n00bKing wrote: Half the Sky wrote:
If there's a DT, check any of the lurkers/nulls - NHM/Scott/SW/WP Would be interested in hearing opinions from others, on whether this would be the best use of a Cop's ability. Well here's the thing, there are two ways to play this, if there is a DT in this game. Clearing lurkers or red checking them will help you in LYLO - as scum will push a certain way through a game and then boom late game clearing people may catch them off guard. Alternatively you can also look at people whose current behaviour (if reasonably active) are soemwhat questionable or you cannot get a good read on them or if they appear controversial (like some people are townreading and others are scumreading) then they are also good checks. Given the current game state, I think for example Grokken would be a good check in this category.
You were who I was talking to when I said I would be interested in hearing opinions from "others." So by "others" I mean anyone BUT you. 
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On July 13 2015 09:38 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
nonono Sulfurus was busing me. I'm Mafia too guys plz kill me. XD
Alright down to business. Apparently my bait was successful although I wasn't around to catch the slip from Sulfurus. Glad to see that Half the Sky caught it. I'm going to actually work from here on out. Re-reading the thread seriously. anyhow....if you are town, you are in a good position to tell us who the scummers - if any - were on your wagon. Who do you think they were?
He's in an even BETTER position to tell us, if he's scum! :D
MoosyDoosy wrote: tbh I have 2 suspicions but I'd rather wait. If I'm right, I'd rather not say it and die.
So you don't want to be night-killed? You only want to be mislynched?
Don't worry, there's no chance of the bad guys killing you, no matter what suspicions you want to share. You could name the other 2 mafia members, which one has which role, their social security numbers, and what dinner plans they have for tonight, and they still are not killing you.
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On July 13 2015 21:37 Half the Sky wrote:
Grokken's thread sentiment point I did query that earlier and I think noob, you mentioned that too, do you think this response makes sense for the read change? Not sure if you missed it.
I did see it, but that response doesn't really move me either way. Does that answer make sense? Yeah, some. But we could expect him to give an answer that would make at least SOME sense. It's a little early in the game for him to be getting tangled up in his own posts yet, so it isn't like I was hoping he would say "Yep, I changed my read cuz thread sentiment!"
So while I'm slightly suspicious of Grokken, that POST is null, for me. Did it cause any reaction in you?
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On July 14 2015 02:22 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 09:38 Half the Sky wrote:On July 13 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
nonono Sulfurus was busing me. I'm Mafia too guys plz kill me. XD
Alright down to business. Apparently my bait was successful although I wasn't around to catch the slip from Sulfurus. Glad to see that Half the Sky caught it. I'm going to actually work from here on out. Re-reading the thread seriously. anyhow....if you are town, you are in a good position to tell us who the scummers - if any - were on your wagon. Who do you think they were? He's in an even BETTER position to tell us, if he's scum! :D Show nested quote +MoosyDoosy wrote: tbh I have 2 suspicions but I'd rather wait. If I'm right, I'd rather not say it and die. So you don't want to be night-killed? You only want to be mislynched? Don't worry, there's no chance of the bad guys killing you, no matter what suspicions you want to share. You could name the other 2 mafia members, which one has which role, their social security numbers, and what dinner plans they have for tonight, and they still are not killing you.
You're right. I am scum. I was going to start participating but you just killed off my drive. Forget the epitaph folks. Let's continue to be a shitty townie!
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On July 12 2015 06:22 Grokken wrote:I figure it's time for me to make an actual post now that the thread is getting more active. Sulfurus: Has made a few posts, but only one-liners and contentless posts. I know you are here and reading the thread, why not try to post something more useful? Neutral read so far, maybe slight scumlean. WonnaPlay: Should post so we know you're still alive. n00bKing I was just about to say that you haven't said anything of substance, but then I refresh the thread and there you are! You made some good points and seem to come to similar conclusions as I do, slight townread. Fidei86: Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 09:14 Fidei86 wrote:
So I guess I'll dive in first, since the game needs to start somewhere.
My opinion on the ideal town environment is that it is one where everyone contributes, but nobody spams. The best way for townies to get town-read by other townies is to be active, to discuss things and to give your opinion freely. If you're lurking as town, you're actively hurting your own team. Even if you don't say much and make it to the later rounds, and even if you solve the game, you're an easy mislynch if your filter is only one or two pages long.
However, at the same time, too much back and forth leads to the thread becoming unmanageable for players with less time -- essentially allowing mafia to hide in amongst the noise. I don't want to over-traffic cop, and I'm hopeful it's not going to be a big problem this game, but ... there it is. I checked the Himalayas thread, and it's true that there was a huge volume of posts. It seems reasonable to me that he wants to avoid spam in this game. Post makes sense to me, good advice for new players too I think he seems towny overall, posts a decent amount and keeps the thread active without spamming nonsense. Doesn't seem afraid to post what he thinks. silentwarrior: silentwarrior is living up to his name, as someone said earlier. NydusHerMain: Only real post is a random vote for Fidei. Seems inactive for now, lets wait until he gets back. MoosyDoosy: Has made some good posts in my opinion. In particular I agree with the following post: Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 05:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 12 2015 04:17 Half the Sky wrote:On July 11 2015 22:32 Fidei86 wrote:
@HTS I agree that it's easy to talk anti-spam. And it's also obviously possible to play a perfectly good scum game without either spamming or lurking. But my view is that if we build a good town atmosphere with all townies being active but not spammy, it makes it much harder for even good scum players to hide. If I start lurking or spamming, that'll be a good sign I'm Mafia. But since I'm town, I'll do my best to stick to my words.
One thing that irks me is that I know that you aren't the biggest fan of spam either. Obviously this thread is much more in danger of being too quiet than too loud, but I would have hoped you'd join me echoing my words. Why the change of heart? Or have you just got your game face on (which, admittedly, wouldn't be very alignment indicative..) I honestly didn't feel it needed repeating (it stood on its own) and just wanted to start seeing what I could get out of the thread. I definitely agree to discourage spam as much as possible but at the same time don't ignore the lurkers. Similarly as was already said, there are high volume posters that do play well as mafia. Sometimes you might also get a milder form of spam if you have too many conversational posters. I can't remember where I said this before but I've said it multiple times now - there's conversational and case based posting and inevitably some people are going to have longer filters if they do engage in long - even if useful - conversation. That said I think either way if people keep things to the point, EBWOPs aside, spam really shouldn't be an issue. That said, this post by Grokken http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=129&topic_id=488742was called into question and honestly I don't think this warrants a scum read - if he's scum, it's not going to be for this. In the context of that entire conversation, there's nothing but sarcasm, to me it's just a cheeky post especially considering the "oh shit you got me" response Gandhi posted after that. The two of them (him and Gandhi) seem pretty carefree like they don't really care what people think of them, which actually warrant a town tell. The second quote that was called into question - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=8#148 First off - one liners aren't alignment indicative either way - like I said before someone might try to evaluate conversation as they have it. I don't think it's reasonable to scum read him largely because NHM hasn't been back to respond so how are you setting up the expectation already that he needs to follow up? There's nothing to follow up on. I think Grokken is a townlean based on his first few posts, it is reasonable for a new player to question something that seems off or may warrant an explanation - and I agree it does. I don't think TJ is being reasonable to set up the follow-up expectation when it's pretty clear where the expectation lies - the answer to that particular question. A haste to judgement is a scumlean (esp for a player I don't know).  I'd prefer it if you let Grokken speak for himself. This might have been the jail free card that he was looking for. I was going to bring this up myself, but seems like you beat me to it. Although the defense is good, I think it would be better to just let me defend myself, especially because I haven't really posted much before now. MoosyDoosy is a townread for me. TJHuggins: Seems like town to me. He identifies me as someone who has no clue what to post, which is pretty accurate considering this is my first online mafia game (my only previous experience is some IRL mafia just before I signed up for this one). I think it makes sense as town to pressure inexperienced players, and try to make them slip up while defending themselves. Grokken: Thats me. Open Slots: scott31337: Seems to be lurking, no real contribution so far. Half the Sky: Seems like town to me. She (?) has made quite a few posts, with a lot of content and some good points. The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is that she defended me for seemingly no reason. GhandiEAGLE: He says that there isn't much to go by day 1. He hasn't really contributed too much, but the posts he has made feels slightly towny to me. He made a point to flush out the lurkers, which seems like a good idea. KelsierSC spamspamspamspamspamspamspam, don't know what to think. In conclusion, I think we should try to lynch one of the people who is keeping up with the thread, but aren't making useful contributions. These people are in my opinion more likely to be mafia rather than the people who aren't saying anything at all. At this point, these people are Sulfurus, scott31337 and KelsierSC. This is the first time I make a post like this one, sorry if the formatting is bad.
While this list post seemed to be early to the party, I think its overall not that bad. The reasons for Grok's reads are decent for how little had occured at that point in the game. Between this and one of his earlier posts that seemed casual and jokey I'm comfterable adding him to my town reads.
Oh also I doubt he would make a list post like this that calls out Sulf so early if he were mafia.
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I can only do a one quote post atm since I'm on mobile, which wont work so well for Ghandi but I'm also willing to add him to my town reads for now. He had multiple posts I liked that pushed a towny agenda.
Going out for dinner now, will get back to this later when I am able.
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On July 14 2015 02:16 Tictock wrote:
This is literally scotts only post, and it is wierd that he would say he needs to reread anything on the 3rd page of the game.
I'm used to town!scott being more involved, so I'm thinking he rolled scum this game.
Yeah, I made the same comment, about it being strange for him to say he needs to "re-read" when we had only just started. Scott COULD be scum here, but man...just how much "mailing it in" can we expect from one scum team? Sulf had like 5 posts, and Scott has 1? That's their gameplan?
Ticktock wrote: Oh also I doubt he [Grokken] would make a list post like this that calls out Sulf so early if he were mafia.
Still think "Neutral read so far, maybe slight scumlean" is not much of a call-out. But I wouldn't push for a vigilante shot on Grokken or anything. So there will be more time to evaluate him. (Though I may not be around for that, since I've been killed on Night 1 in 100% of my TL Mafia games! And Fidei requesting that HtS receive protection clears the way for my demise!)
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I'm so sorry I forgot to vote guys - deadline and other things blew right by me. Let me catch up and post my thoughts.
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I just saw the GF got lynched - nniiccee
That's a nice vote count too - gives us a boatload of information.
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FINAL VOTE COUNT
Sulfurus(4):Half the Sky, Fidei86, Kelsier SC, Noobking
MoosyDoosy(3): Grokken, TJHuggins, Sulfurus
NydusHerMain (1): silentwarrior
Fidei86(1): NydusHerMain
Not Voting(4): WonnaPlay, scott31337, GhandiEAGLE. MoosyDoosy
I mean I have to believe everyone on Sulf is town - with HtS at the top.
I'm going to re-read every one on Moosy.
TT replaced NHM. Welcome ol' buddy
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can't you call me mafia instead
it was funny when WonnaPlay tried to do that as he called me town
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On July 14 2015 03:03 scott31337 wrote:
I'm so sorry I forgot to vote guys - deadline and other things blew right by me.
All that posting you were doing in your other game didn't remind you that you were in this game?
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On July 14 2015 02:00 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 08:05 silentwarrior wrote:Hey guys, good lynch. As of now, I think that, aside from those who voted on sulfurus, these two are town: Grokken and MoosyDoosy. MoosyDoosy is a little obvious, sulfurus woulnd't go for him if he was another mafia. And a sacrifice here seems unlikely, seeing as MoosyDoosy was nowhere a done deal, so he could have been saved still. Sulfurus getting on the MoosyDoosy train seems like a way to just vote on the most popular one and slip by. He basically admitted to doing this even. Then Grokken is because of this post: On July 12 2015 06:22 Grokken wrote:
I figure it's time for me to make an actual post now that the thread is getting more active.
Sulfurus:
Has made a few posts, but only one-liners and contentless posts. I know you are here and reading the thread, why not try to post something more useful? Neutral read so far, maybe slight scumlean. He pings sulfurus as a scum lean fairly early, before any of the recent suspicion started. That means that most likely that they aren't mafia partners, as mafia will not give scumlean to their own partners when there is no other big suspicion on him. This leads me to believe that he is town as well. Actually, I think that "when there is no other big suspicion on him" is a good time to scumlean a mafia teammate. Because it's unlikely that anything will come of it in the near term. And if something does come of it later, you'd be able to say "I was scumreading that guy since Day 1!" That post from Grokken is probably a point in his favor, but it still leaves plenty of room for error.
Maybe its a newbie thing, but usually mafia will try to not mention their partners, and do so only in positive ways, to avoid them being lynched. I think they would focus more on helping each other survive the lynch rather than be ready for their death. I do see your point however. They will atleast not give scumreads to partners that early in game.
On July 14 2015 02:13 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 08:25 silentwarrior wrote:
I also lean town on TJHuggins, since he posted that sulfurus was his second on scum list. This was also before any of the voting began, though after sulfurus posted that super scummy post and was tagged for it by Half the sky. Still a good townlean for me.
Also, i get a townvibe from wonnaplay.
Of course, I could be all wrong about this, and mafia decided to sacrifice sulfurus, but dont really think so right now. Regardless, those reamaining that I think the mafia is among is : scott31337, GhandiEAGLE, NydusHerMain. One or two of these three are probably mafia. Okay, so apparently I don't agree with much that silentwarrior has to say during Night 1. "Second on scum list" is a fairly commonplace spot for mafia to put their teammates. Say that he looks scummy (in case he gets lynched) but don't actually try to get him lynched, because someone else is first on your scum list. And for you to be "all wrong about this" doesn't really require mafia to have sacrificed Sulfurus. He could have been lynched against their will, and your reads could still be wrong anyway. Of course, you having reads that are different from mine doesn't make you scum (and doesn't even make you wrong)...but I still don't have to like it!
Yeah, I see your point, didn't think of that. As I said before, the list that he posted was after sulfurus was already tagged by Half the sky, so he could have just done the second on scum list thing.
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On July 13 2015 23:36 Half the Sky wrote:Fidei, on TJH - (going to spoiler quotes for readability) + Show Spoiler [initial read] +On July 12 2015 01:49 TJHuggins wrote:My initial reads so far is that i am town leaning on Fidei. I like the things he said in relation to spamming, and I think that him relating the perspective to a previous game where he was town feels like he's looking at the game from the perspective of a town. When he responded to HTS regarding talking about anti-spam being easy, he seems genuine. Or maybe it's just because I like his writing. No clue. My initial scum read is Grokken. It's nothing all that strong but I'm getting a wierd feeling about the things he's posted. To me it feels like he is trying to find ways to participate and seem town by chiming in now and again but really has no clue what to write about. Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 09:36 Grokken wrote:On July 11 2015 09:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My blood sense is telling me to lynch everyone who knows what theyre doing We should listen to this guy, he seems to know what he is doing. Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 13:27 Grokken wrote:On July 11 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
Hi, back home. You guys are fucking boring me.
##Vote: Fidei
I don't like the way this guy posts early Can you elaborate on this? What in particular is it that you don't like? I think that one sentence posts that appear to contribute to the game and don't really offer anything just kind of irk me the wrong way. I guess it's worth noting he did write that thing about Dota as well which was also one sentence but that's neither here nor there when it comes to the game I think. When I went back and read the post about him showing off his dota stats that actually reads to me a bit more towny now that I think about it, so not really sure. just an initial read. This post, there's an agenda in the sense that this read lacks context. First quote was part of a joke between him and Ghandi, and nothing should be made of it and TJH tried to. Second quote, there was reason to question NHM and that question isn't for naught. Overall he's making something out of nothing. I also feel he did the same thing when he tried to pin Fidei for the wording on MD earlier. + Show Spoiler [followup - "town prodding"] +On July 12 2015 03:10 TJHuggins wrote:
I agree that it was grokken's town prodding question that got me suspicious of him in the first place. Then right after he says "this posts doesn't really offer anything" he then says it's a "town prodding question" (which noob called him out for anyways) so then why did he say before that it doesn't really offer anything? The wording association between those two quotes is really awkward. + Show Spoiler [comment on Sulfurus] +On July 13 2015 07:14 TJHuggins wrote:
I so strongly felt that MD is the most obvious mafia there could possible be... I was going to be so mad if Sulfuras flipped town. Now I'm not so sure since sulfuras was voting on MD. I need to reread Sulfuras posts to see why he was voting on MD. Now TJH already had Sulfurus as 2 on his list of scummies so why would he need to reread it - additionally there was nothing Sulfur even said on MD which was the biggest issue I had. + Show Spoiler [Kelsier scumread] +On July 12 2015 23:16 TJHuggins wrote:Kelsier, I'm wondering if you would care to explain what factors weighed in on your decision here to vote for Wonnaplay as opposed to Grokken when from your previous post it appears you considered them equally scummy for the same reason? On July 12 2015 23:18 TJHuggins wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 22:43 WonnaPlay wrote:
"Sheep me, I'm good at this game" or "I act as scum and see if anyone bites, then I attack them" - Onegu Card?
So basically Kelsier is trying to get newer players to attack him, because he is sowing nonsense. To see if other people just blatantly follow those new players, which means that those followers or "sheep" are probably mafia players looking to get an easy kill?
If this is what he's doing, then I think that his posts make more sense indeed, however I think it's provoking the wrong reactions in a newbie game.
I think it's more like: Act like a fool and get town read for it. This one is pretty simple - he appears scumread Kelsier and then he drops that read altogether in his lynch list. Or at least it's not clear why he dropped him or where he stands on him now. TLDR - there's a bit of awkward progression and grasping for straws with the scumreads he's putting in. Also his reaction post-lynch was a bit more subdued and I'm ignoring the issues he's had with the mods, I'm more specifically talking about the "mod error I'll take it" post.
Most of this makes me say "meh" but there aren't any cases being presented on any other players (yet) that I find more compelling. So it just goes to show that there isn't POWERFUL evidence against anyone right now. (Which is probably normal, on Night 1.)
What I didn't like about TJ was that he made absolutely no effort whatsoever to read (or even interact with) the only person in the game that he knew before the game started. If I were Town, and was in a game with a bunch of strangers + ONE person I knew quite well, then without a doubt my early focus would be on interacting with that person, to try and get a read on them, because I know things about their personality and mannerisms that may not be known by anyone else on my team. TJ doesn't do this at all.
Conversely, if I were scum in that situation, I might make a point of avoiding that person, because they know things about MY personality and mannerisms that may not be known by anyone else in the Town. And I might steer clear of them (possibly without even realizing I'm doing it) to keep them from getting a read on me.
From reading his filter, it's obvious which route TJ went on this issue. So if I'm killed tonight, I think you guys should make a point of questioning TJ on this. And if he has what seems to be a perfectly reasonable explanation for that behavior, then great! However, if all he can give you is some line about "I knew NHM was afk for real-life reasons, so I didn't bother to try and talk to him, because I knew it would be pointless" then...NOT IMPRESSED.
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Ok back from dinner and going to finish my catching up while I pack for my flight tomorrow.
On July 12 2015 23:33 TJHuggins wrote:Right now I'm at the point where I feel comfortable enough to ##vote MoosyDoosy. (reasons here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=10#191)I woke up this morning to see more posts from MD that read scum to me. I didn't think you were even allowed to vote for yourself. To me I haven't seen any protown content coming out of any of his posts, and his recent ones seem blatantly anti-town. And what really stands with me is that these are posts from someone who claims to apparently have been unanimously townread by all players but one in some recent previous forum mafia game. See his post on July 11 2015 at 16:30, ("I was an earnest townie last Newbie Student Mafia game with a monster filter. :3 Besides ruXxar everyone pretty much knew I was a townie which is why I want to change things up here and make things interesting.") I'm not buying it that this is a result of you switching up your play.
So this was an interesting post to me. TJ had made one postregarding MD before where he scum read him, but decideds to vote him here. Nothing in his read had changed but now MD has votes on him which seems to make TJ more comfterable voting on him.
This along with other posts suggest to me that TJ is pushing an agenda over hunting for scum. I know HtS also made a case on him that I liked, but I need to reread it before I comment on her case.
I'm torn about TJ's EoD reaction. On the one hand I dont think scum would post like that In game over in their QT, but on the other hand I don't see town getting so worked up over that host mistake when it meant we lynched scum. The mistake had been discussed a fair bit as well (that MD cannot vote for himself) so it should not have been a suprise, yet he seemed genuinely upset that MD's vote on himself was not counted.
In addition TJ's reaction to that EoD seemed a lot like Sulf's reaction which raises some flags.
So, yea TJ is my top scum read atm.
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Dinner - where I am currently:
Town: Fidei, myself, NK
Probable town: KSC
Town lean/maybe town: MD
Null:
Ghandi,
WP (cracking his latest post)
Scott (scumreads pending)
Grokken
Tictock (replacement/additional material pending)
Scumlean: SW (latest post okay, but possible distancing d1?)
Probable scum: TJHuggins (aforementioned)
Would like to see where some of you are getting the Ghandi town reads - still at null for me and I can't see where the clear town agenda is coming from. The policy lynch post/stance can easily be said by scum, unless people are light townreading him for his tone at the game's opening.
This post is noncommittal. From a town perspective it may be understandably so or he could be scum struggling for a read.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488742-newbie-student-mafia-xii?page=9#162
SW I have one reservation on him. There might be some distancing going on. I checked his filter again. There wasn't a weigh in on MD although the only thing SW said d1 was that he'd rather NHM over MD get lynched. However, look at his filter - first 5 posts on first page of his filter were before the lynch. His two posts on voting NHM were after my Sulfurus tag, and he makes zero mention one way or other on Sulfurus. Furthermore looking at votes, scum do and can hide on as solo votes, and a bit more apparent in newbie games (veterans are a bit more careful) so seeing SW solo voting nhm might be something to think about.
If he posted his vote/observation on NHM before my tag or if he'd taken any stance on Sulfurus I'd have less reason to suspect him, but him not appearing to take a stance at all on Sulfurus is a red flag. (His last post prior to EoD was 56m prior to lynch, and returned 1h after lynch, first stance on Sulfur was 1h25m after lynch.)
So alone his latest post may be wrong but that combined with a solo vote and lack of a stance anywhere prior to lynch has me reason to slight scumlean him for now. If TJH should happen to flip scum subsequently then SW becomes to me, that more suspicious.
Sidenote - you said dinner Tictock? Sounds like you are in Europe? Whereabouts? Safe travels home tomorrow in any case.
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On July 13 2015 06:31 TJHuggins wrote:
Figured I would post where I am at before EOD (for obvious reasons). Here's a scum list for me right now in order:
1. MoosyDoosy
2. Sulfuras
3. Grokken
Scott, NHM, and silentwarrior are all in a 3rd category for me which includes players that haven't impressed me with their content and have not left any last impact on me. Might be mafia, might be town. I would rather wait until day 2 to deal with this group since it may give them more time to provide content for me to figure out their alignment. Personally, I'd rather kill someone whos acting scummy than someone whos just a crap shoot (actually if this were video mafia I would pressure them and force them to talk but I can't really do that here.)
If at EOD 2 I still have nothing on those three, I would advocate to shooting, cop checking, lynching them. I would caution against vig shooting or cop checking any of the lurkers this night because I don't think it will really help progress our scum leads much. A vig shot is better saved on a clearly scummy person (same logic as above) and cop check better on someone whos a bit more active.
This post caught my eye as well. TJ spent at least one whole post saying why he felt MD and Grok were scum, yet suddenly Sulf just shows up 2nd in his list here, and gives no explanation for it.
This was after n00b and HtS started pushing Sulf as another possible lynch.
Btw, thats why I'm reading HtS and n00b as town since there is no chance they were bussing a teammate in that situation.
I'm reluctant to fully read Fidei as town right now... Like TJ, Fidei seemed to be ignoring Sulf up till this time in the game. However fidei was all too happy to jump on that wagon ... So he still gets a solid town lean.
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