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I think that there is actually a fairly decent chance that Ghandi is scum here. Reasons:
1. His entire filter is filler and waffle. He defends Grokken, but then backtracks from giving a read.he promised to give his reads, then didn't.
2. He talks a bit about the difficulty of getting good reads in the first day, then says he wants to flush out lurkers but not vote for them.
3. He apologises for being inactive but then does nothing about it.
4. This is a bit of a stretch, but I think it makes most sense for a more experienced player to NK Kelsier. Assuming Mafia were scared off NKing HTS or n00b (both obvious medic saves), why go after Kelsier, unless you knew he was a strong player/knows he knows your meta.
5. The total lie he just told about TJH.
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Note: I don't really think Moosy is mafia. I want him to help or get out.
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Filler and waffle is over, I've started making legit posts again. TJH wasn't a lie, I just misread the filter page. My inactivity is also clearly over.
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6. His case on Moosy just screams mislynch wagon. It's so massively unlikely that both d1 wagons were scum, I don't think it's worth entertaining, at least for now. Grokken's reasoning above is sound. Looking like TJH and Ghandi might be the scum team here.
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I already said I don't really want to lynch Moosy unless he keeps shitposting tomorrow, and at that point its a policy lynch. Also, talking about the likelihood of both D1 wagons being scum is irrelevant, just because it's unlikely doesn't mean that it justifies any of Moosy's play.
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On July 14 2015 08:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Filler and waffle is over, I've started making legit posts again. TJH wasn't a lie, I just misread the filter page. My inactivity is also clearly over.
Your first "legit" post is a total rehash of everything that has already been said on Moosy. And at the end you even say you don't even know if he's scum, you just want him out of the game?? I'm always down for policy lynching lurkers/people you don't want to take to Lylo early. But we now have a contested vote flip which STRONGLY indicates Moosy is town. Yes, he's clearly a destructive town, but town nonetheless.
I think you're Mafia.
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7. You joke vote Kelsier early (NAI). But then you don't vote in the thread, and your excuse is that you thought you'd already voted (ie you thought your vote in the thread stood). Firstly, that's stupid and surely not realistic from a player who has ever played before (hello 11k posts). But secondly, and more importantly, your first vote WAS A JOKE VOTE!! You never pushed Kelsier or really did anything else all of D1. You clearly didn't actually think he was scum, yet you thought you'd left your vote on him and you were okay with that? Please.
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This is just an aside while I'm looking through other stuff, but my post count is VERY much not from mafia experience lol. Don't mistake that for an indicator of experience.
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7. You joke vote Kelsier early (NAI) in the game thread. But then you don't vote in the voting thread, and your excuse is that you thought you'd already voted (ie you thought your vote in the game thread stood). Firstly, that's stupid and surely not realistic from a player who has ever played before (hello 11k posts). But secondly, and more importantly, your first vote WAS A JOKE VOTE!! You never pushed Kelsier or really did anything else all of D1. You clearly didn't actually think he was scum, yet you thought you'd left your vote on him and you were okay with that? Please.
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I think Fidei might be on to something, Ghandis post about MD is just rehashed arguments, he doesn't bring anything new to the table. He is also acting very defensively in the last few posts. He also said he didn't actually think MD is mafia, but still wants to policy-lynch him? I think we should try to lynch the mafia instead.
##vote GhandiEAGLE
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1) Fidei.
Town read; pushing me for my admittedly shitty posting when there was no real consideration of it earlier is pretty darn town.
2) WonnaPlay
Lurk City, hard to know if spooked or noob, but sketchy either way. Because its a noob game all lurkers basically stay in neutral range, instead of my usual neutral-lurker range.
3) N00bking.
Neutral; dont like his filter but he voted for sulfurus, so the two cancel each other out.
4) Silentwarrior.
Shit-tier read list, bandwagonning, lurking. Didn't vote Moosy N1, so neutral or bad scum imo.
5) NHM/Tictoc
Awful posting but apparently had an excuse so mleh. Tictoc says he's followed the game, and showed that he was present in the thread, but has yet to give anything meaningful to the game, so he's on my naughty list until something comes up. Most lurkers commit, but he's already poked his head recently.
6) Moosy
Shit town, prodding him to post better hopefully he actually does, otherwise lynch for derailing conversation. No more discussion on him because its also just derailing now. C'mon man shape up.
7) TJ Huggins
Bandwagonned on Moosy, pointed a lot of fingers, but generally been pretty baseless. This isn't quite a 180 of what I said earlier, because I said in my post that he wasn't scum to me. That hasn't changed; I should have clarified that I didn't think he was that innocent either, he's high up on my neutral list. Just not enough yet to vote on him.
8) Grokken.
Seems pretty sketchy to me. Need to chug through filter again, but voting on me even before Fidei did just feels like someone trying to stand out and be opportunistic. He didn't start the attack, so he doesn't assume culpability if I get lynched and I'm town. He also can't hold onto an accusation.
That said, he didn't fight Sulfurus being lynched; he voted Moosy but didn't protest Sulfurus' death. That doesn't mean, however, that he's not my scum read. Because he is.
9) HtS
Untouchable right now. No fun there :<
10) scottblahblahnumbers
The WORST kind of lurker, if he was maf, I'd be willing to bet he'd be more active, especially since he's not on the noob list; who plays mafia multiple times without wanting to actually participate? For that reasoning he's really town to me, but damn I hate how he's basically not in the game. It's frustrating.
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To sum up
Scummer read is hardest on Grokken,
Town for me definitively is HtS, Scott, and Fidei.
Too many people posting too little (me included, before ~20 minutes ago). Need more activity please.
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I disagree with your reads. How can you think MD is town, but still list n00bking as neutral? You mean he just casually bussed the GF? Also, what don't you like about his filter?
SW didnt vote for MD, which is neutral/scum, and I voted for MD which is also scummy?
Also, how can you say scott is "definitely" town after just 1 post?
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On July 14 2015 08:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
To sum up
Scummer read is hardest on Grokken,
Town for me definitively is HtS, Scott, and Fidei.
Too many people posting too little (me included, before ~20 minutes ago). Need more activity please.
The guy who has contributed the least (scott) is somehow definetly town for you? And your explanation about it is just bullshit, it makes no sense. I smell mafia here.
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On July 14 2015 08:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Note: I don't really think Moosy is mafia. I want him to help or get out.
If you don't think I'm Mafia then why the hell would you try and kill me. Like are you trying to waste a Day lynch on me so that Mafia can get a free kill? Or are you just trying to decrease the townie count for Mafia to win?
I won't even address you saying I didn't help because it was my trap with my shitty behavior in the first place which let us snag Sulfurus. I was kinda starting to believe that it wouldn't work but Sulf did slip. And in case you actually start to believe otherwise, I gave plenty of hints I was going to try something new this game which happened to be the trap. Why do you think my first post was "We are all sheep?" lol
Overall, your vote makes absolutely no sense unless you're trying to help Mafia. Either way, I'm completely fine with it. Waste your vote on me and see where it gets you.
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I just realized scott has made a couple more posts, disregard what I said about just having 1 post. Still doesn't change the fact that he has barely said anything though.
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Gonna go to bed now, but will seriosly analyze Ghandi and scott when I come back.
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By the way Moosy, what happened to the post you were gonna make the last minute of night?
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On July 14 2015 09:04 Grokken wrote:
By the way Moosy, what happened to the post you were gonna make the last minute of night?
I decided not to do it since n00bKing was right. There was >1% chance I was gonna die. It's better for Mafia to keep me alive since I'll attract people who are tunneled like Ghandi while I'm not doing anything for town right now besides my initial trap. I still have my thoughts but I prefer to keep them to myself until I find a slip.
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On July 14 2015 08:10 Fidei86 wrote:
I think that there is actually a fairly decent chance that Ghandi is scum here. Reasons:
1. His entire filter is filler and waffle. He defends Grokken, but then backtracks from giving a read.he promised to give his reads, then didn't.
2. He talks a bit about the difficulty of getting good reads in the first day, then says he wants to flush out lurkers but not vote for them.
3. He apologises for being inactive but then does nothing about it.
4. This is a bit of a stretch, but I think it makes most sense for a more experienced player to NK Kelsier. Assuming Mafia were scared off NKing HTS or n00b (both obvious medic saves), why go after Kelsier, unless you knew he was a strong player/knows he knows your meta.
5. The total lie he just told about TJH.
YES number 4 is exactly what I was thinking. The kill on Kelsier was definitely an attempt from Mafia to kill a blue role but this shows us that there HAS to be a veteran Mafia(s) who's thinking that far. Or the Mafia is completely clueless and we don't have much to fear.
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