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Fidei86
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Fidei86
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On July 14 2015 19:20 Tictock wrote: Stuck over by the Z gates since its international. Was looking for a charging station for my gameboy but dont have the right voltage adaptor... Hopefully there are some decent movies on the flight. On the way out here I watched the entire Hobbit trilogy, was kinda nice to see all 3 movies in one sitting. You can buy adaptors in terminal 2, so I'm sure you can dig them out in terminal 1 if you look hard enough... | ||
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Tictock
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Pretty silly to lynch him when we both agree there are better targets. I'm reading him a little more town atm, but honestly the only game I played with him and he was Scum he dissapeared halfway through D1 due to loosing his internet. We got a bit lucky in policy lynching him D1 that game and I can't say I know his scum meta at all based on that. Right now I'm fine giving him more time to pick his game up here. I assume he bit off more than he expected joining the Gaiden game, which was doing something like 100pages per day phase last I checked. So I can understand his weak posting here. | ||
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Fidei86
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Tictock
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On July 14 2015 19:21 Fidei86 wrote: You can buy adaptors in terminal 2, so I'm sure you can dig them out in terminal 1 if you look hard enough... And pay Airport prices for Electronics? No thanks. Currently posting on an iPad which has several games on it plus I have a book I have yet to crack open, I also am smuggling a large quantity of swiss chocolate, so if it comes to it I can break into that and ride the chocolate high all the way home :p | ||
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Fidei86
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On July 14 2015 19:32 Tictock wrote: And pay Airport prices for Electronics? No thanks. Currently posting on an iPad which has several games on it plus I have a book I have yet to crack open, I also am smuggling a large quantity of swiss chocolate, so if it comes to it I can break into that and ride the chocolate high all the way home :p Become a lawyer, get paid, buy airport electronics. Three step plan for life success bro. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On July 14 2015 19:28 Fidei86 wrote: That's fair enough, I suppose. I also don't think he's been very active in Gaiden, so he might have some RL issues going on. It doesn't exonerate him by any stretch, and I would still policy lynch him, but you've talked me down from actively pushing it for now. I stopped following Gaiden when I saw I was more than 150 pages behind, lol. So no comment regarding scotts posting there. Given that HtS was roleblocked and there was no 2nd kill N1 I'm thinking we are in a Doc/Cop setup. So scott would be a solid Cop check if I'm right about that. The roleblock not being stacked with NK should mean there is no veteren. However, Setup speculation is pretty WIFOM however so prob best to not go down that thinking too far. HtS can attest that my setup/role speculation has been very poor in the past as well, lol. | ||
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Tictock
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Fidei86
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On July 12 2015 05:37 n00bKing wrote: If the vote were a joke, I'm not sure what about it is supposed to be funny. Like...what's the joke? And my joke votes wouldn't go in the voting thread, and that one is in the voting thread. If you want to see a fake vote, you can look at the one on me from Sulfurus. He wastes space with a fakecheck and a fakevote, and then wastes more space by backreferencing them. That's all you get, from his first two posts. His third (and thus far, final) post is him essentially telling Moosy to "do stuff" without actually doing stuff himself. We get roughly the same amount of value from Kelsier's posts, in which he tells people to "start the game" without actually doing anything that would get the game going. If either of Kelsier/Sulfurus are town, they've already got a headstart on being useless town. Okay, so why the vote on NHM? Two reasons. 1) At the time that NHM votes, there is only ONE player who has really expressed any interest in progressing the game. Fidei86. He was the only one (to that point) who had made a legitimate, "let's start thinking about the actual game itself" type of post. And that is who NHM chooses to vote against: the one player who showed an indication that they might be taking the game seriously. 2) The other reason should not be revealed yet. @n00bking Did you ever post your response to your point at paragraph 2? If you did, could you link/reference me? If you didn't, can you say now? | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
That leaves a couple of others which raise alot of questions. First I'd like to address that Ghandi's reasoning is all over the place. First he wants to flush out lurkers, because these are either scapegoats or newbies: I'm saying we should get everyone to start talking because lurkers quickly become scapegoats, especially in newbie games where lurkers are often people who are just unsure of what to say. But then later "defends" Scott (who is a veteran) for lurking : On July 14 2015 08:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote: 10) scottblahblahnumbers The WORST kind of lurker, if he was maf, I'd be willing to bet he'd be more active, especially since he's not on the noob list; who plays mafia multiple times without wanting to actually participate? For that reasoning he's really town to me, but damn I hate how he's basically not in the game. It's frustrating. As I said earlier, I'm not really getting a good read from Ghandi, but he's becoming more scummy for me with almost every post. On July 14 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote: MD and Scott fall into somewhat null territory but with slight townreads. Scott made that one post where he put everyone on the Sulf wagon as town. Scum need to get town to lynch town, so listing that many people as town seems like a bad move for scum to make. Its not strong, but its enough for me to lean a little more town on Scott. I completely disagree, it's just a copy/paste post with a sloppy conclusion. I think anyone can make such a summary and wouldn't affect the game at all. Since he's literally not adding anything to the discussion, this post (Scott's) feels very scumlike, instead of townie... As I was unsure about NHM, I'm also pretty unsure about TickTock, I think more towny of him than I did with NHM, so for the time being I think it's important to prioritize others. Top scumlist for me : 1] Scott - Gets defended by some people, without him having done anything. I think one of the people talking for him is atleast scum, defending scum. It would also explain the post Sulfurus made about "unvalid vote" and would even explain the night kill on Kelsier (if what you guys saying is true about veterans killing Kelsier). He isn't even AFK, but because he's afraid from HtS and therefore he is lurking, which raises alarmbells all over the place for me.. 2] Ghandi - too sketchy for my taste. The reason I don't have Ghandi on my #1 is that his list looks pretty decent. I'd agree on most points with him there, but who knows if he turns around again after that.. Also his conclusion on Scott being town is totally unwarranted. If Scott turns out to be scum, then Ghandi is one aswell. 3] TJH - made some weird posts during the end of the day regarding the votes, but I could see him being legitimately frustrated about his idea of different rules. I do think that HtS made some solid points, which I can't ignore since she was spot on in the last day. He's also very quiet since that day.. | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
Everyone pretty much trusts you at this moment, so claiming Roleblock doesn't add any strength to your township. If someone else would claim RoleBlock and you were roleblocked this night, it would become your word against their word and then it's an easy lynch for all of us. Was it so that it helps figuring out what the scum was thinking or do people just always claim roleblock? | ||
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Half the Sky
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On July 12 2015 14:16 scott31337 wrote: This is a pretty bad idea - I just was filter diving on who talked about/with Damdred - You, Boxer, Trfel and Milo looked the worst, and Breshke, HalfTheSky and Vivax look much more interactive with him. What do you think of Boxerfred? For everyone else this is the quote in question. Bottom of page 284. | ||
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Half the Sky
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I'm in Gaiden now but I will return here ASAP. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On July 15 2015 00:14 WonnaPlay wrote: @HtS : Probably a bit of a newbie question, but why did you immediately claim you had been Roleblocked? Everyone pretty much trusts you at this moment, so claiming Roleblock doesn't add any strength to your township. If someone else would claim RoleBlock and you were roleblocked this night, it would become your word against their word and then it's an easy lynch for all of us. Was it so that it helps figuring out what the scum was thinking or do people just always claim roleblock? I have a lot to add with analysis here but I will answer this question real quick. If you are roleblocked, always claim when RBs are notified. This is even more critical in semi-open setups (where you aren't 100% sure an RB exists). Anyone should do it, though in this case I was not concerned about towncred. People TRYING to do it for towncred is another issue entirely. 1 It tells town what scum were thinking. 2 It confirms a medic (and not veteran in the game) because the targets had different actions on them. If there was a vet, KSC has a 10 percent chance of being vet and being one scumer down already, scum don't want to chance getting KP blocked. 3 If someone else claims roleblocked, it's 100% a scum claim - or at least I know that. If you don't believe me then when I flip, you'll know immediately to lynch the other person. 4 When RBs are notified it gives town information. RBs especially in late game confirm townies so you'll see scumteams (reference NSM10) hold their roleblocks and in extreme case (usually in a 4-man mylo or if they opt for a no lynch in mylo) scum can hold their KP. | ||
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Fidei86
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Half the Sky
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But I will put aside some time to post. Largely the TLDR version is that Ghandi looks significantly worse, Scott needs to fill in the gaps with his scumreads, his fear read on me is normal considering that he was on a scumteam where I (more or less) carried, and TJH is still poor, Grokken is slightly better, just skimming I need to get a firmer read on SW, WP and Tictock, the last of whom is concerning from a fear read (read: Holy Guardians) standpoint. The real question for me is whether I want to lynch TJH or Ghandi. WP seems okay for a newbie though. SW is the one I had a prior concern on. I observed that game and I want to cross compare points from that game, but from what I recall, the big problem was that you had milo who was guilty of TMI, Chocolate and Templar were too easy to lynch because they WERE pretty scummy and then Damdred and VE were both playing suboptimally and Scott was also easily mislynched. So basically in this game the way to prevent that with any potential player is if the town stays cohesive it will be harder for scum to hide. There was a Dutch newbie who was playing pretty well enough to not get MLed (in fact he got NKed N2 which was weird in of itself) and ritoky was also doing well but those two were offed pretty quickly. In a game where town plays suboptimally it will be much harder, based on meta you have to find out whether a player really believes someone is scum or is just trying to push an easy mislynch. Right now there aren't many standing out from the crowd so I'm thinking at this point in time Tic would be an easy read. If there's something you recall from HG that jumps out to you regarding Tictock shout. I do need to look at him in detail. | ||
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On July 14 2015 08:04 Fidei86 wrote: ??? TJH actually said *nothing* about Sulfurus, except adding him at #2 to his 'scum list' out of nowhere, and then being angry we didn't lynch Moosy. He voted for Moosy. To say he was "an early bird on the Sulfurus Train" is just totally wrong. This is actually why TJH is more likely to be scum. He "safely" put Sulfurus name as second behind Moosy. You have an unexplained change in reads and furthermore there was no followup after the fact. Not impressed with this one (Ghandi, that is, not Fidei's quote.) | ||
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Half the Sky
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On July 14 2015 08:09 GhandiEAGLE wrote: The rest of his filter is absolute trash, by the way. Nothing helpful at all; all of his posts constantly criticize other people for suspecting him, while offering literally zero content to push the town forward. If he isn't scum, I'd still policy lynch him Day 3 since based_HTS gave us plenty of time. I need meaningful contribution from Moosey or I'm not likely moving off of my vote without heavy evidence on someone else. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy I'm going to ignore the rest of this post because this actually speaks for itself - besides the points others brought up you aren't even taking into consideration why MoosyDoosy posted the way he did. I think the entire game agrees it is suboptimal but he's purposely putting himself as suboptimal and risked getting lynched to do that. Do you even remotely think it's likely scum would do that? He breadcrumbed his strategy. And you don't ever do policy lynches D2 and beyond in TL games, ever. There are 100-year exceptions but this would not qualify as one of them. And the waffling which others mentioned in comparison makes me realise you're trying to spare TJHuggins. On July 14 2015 08:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Filler and waffle is over, I've started making legit posts again. TJH wasn't a lie, I just misread the filter page. My inactivity is also clearly over. If you misread the filter page on TJH, you should also be changing your read. There is ZERO information from TJH on Sulfurus prior to the unexplained change in read. If you mis-read - then your read on him HAS to change if you are townie. On July 14 2015 08:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Note: I don't really think Moosy is mafia. I want him to help or get out. THEN YOU DON'T LYNCH HIM END OF. In case I wasn't clear the first time, and in the event you are a newbie..... DO NOT POLICY VOTE D2 AND BEYOND. EVER. THERE IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT INFORMATION (THE D1 VOTE TABLE FOR STARTERS) TO GET A PROPER SCUM LYNCH OFF. On July 14 2015 08:15 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I already said I don't really want to lynch Moosy unless he keeps shitposting tomorrow, and at that point its a policy lynch. Also, talking about the likelihood of both D1 wagons being scum is irrelevant, just because it's unlikely doesn't mean that it justifies any of Moosy's play. Then you shouldn't even be voting him. Find the remaining scummers if you aren't one of them. On July 14 2015 08:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote: 1) Fidei. Town read; pushing me for my admittedly shitty posting when there was no real consideration of it earlier is pretty darn town. 2) WonnaPlay Lurk City, hard to know if spooked or noob, but sketchy either way. Because its a noob game all lurkers basically stay in neutral range, instead of my usual neutral-lurker range. 3) N00bking. Neutral; dont like his filter but he voted for sulfurus, so the two cancel each other out. 4) Silentwarrior. Shit-tier read list, bandwagonning, lurking. Didn't vote Moosy N1, so neutral or bad scum imo. 5) NHM/Tictoc Awful posting but apparently had an excuse so mleh. Tictoc says he's followed the game, and showed that he was present in the thread, but has yet to give anything meaningful to the game, so he's on my naughty list until something comes up. Most lurkers commit, but he's already poked his head recently. 6) Moosy Shit town, prodding him to post better hopefully he actually does, otherwise lynch for derailing conversation. No more discussion on him because its also just derailing now. C'mon man shape up. 7) TJ Huggins Bandwagonned on Moosy, pointed a lot of fingers, but generally been pretty baseless. This isn't quite a 180 of what I said earlier, because I said in my post that he wasn't scum to me. That hasn't changed; I should have clarified that I didn't think he was that innocent either, he's high up on my neutral list. Just not enough yet to vote on him. 8) Grokken. Seems pretty sketchy to me. Need to chug through filter again, but voting on me even before Fidei did just feels like someone trying to stand out and be opportunistic. He didn't start the attack, so he doesn't assume culpability if I get lynched and I'm town. He also can't hold onto an accusation. That said, he didn't fight Sulfurus being lynched; he voted Moosy but didn't protest Sulfurus' death. That doesn't mean, however, that he's not my scum read. Because he is. 9) HtS Untouchable right now. No fun there :< 10) scottblahblahnumbers The WORST kind of lurker, if he was maf, I'd be willing to bet he'd be more active, especially since he's not on the noob list; who plays mafia multiple times without wanting to actually participate? For that reasoning he's really town to me, but damn I hate how he's basically not in the game. It's frustrating. For n00bking if you are going to push a universally read town, you had better specify what you don't like about his filter. And if you are going to argue he bussed sulfurus instead of just saying cancelled out, you have to explain the risk reward analysis from his end. You fail to do that. Generally speaking your statement is incongruent, either the voting is the strongest evidence or you need to find a reason where his filter overrides the town cred from hammering (he was the deciding vote on) Sulfurus. You do neither. Saying overall neutral is a shallow read. And then you turn around and say SW is bandwagonning. On whom? D1, he was a solo voter which is one of the problems I had with him. The rest of your argument is unsubstantiated. The Scott read is terrible considering you have lurkers on other standards (double standards) like WP/SW. If you feel Grokken is scum, you should be pushing him. You should be voting him. TLDR: Basically your posting is just not believable from a town perspective nor you have/are doing jack all to reconcile those differences. I feel the posting before all of this too is contrived. I think you have the same problem as Sulfurus. You really don't care between lynching between Grokken and MD and being one down already you're badly in need of a mislynch. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On July 15 2015 00:07 WonnaPlay wrote: Top scumlist for me : 1] Scott - Gets defended by some people, without him having done anything. I think one of the people talking for him is atleast scum, defending scum. It would also explain the post Sulfurus made about "unvalid vote" and would even explain the night kill on Kelsier (if what you guys saying is true about veterans killing Kelsier). He isn't even AFK, but because he's afraid from HtS and therefore he is lurking, which raises alarmbells all over the place for me.. 2] Ghandi - too sketchy for my taste. The reason I don't have Ghandi on my #1 is that his list looks pretty decent. I'd agree on most points with him there, but who knows if he turns around again after that.. Also his conclusion on Scott being town is totally unwarranted. If Scott turns out to be scum, then Ghandi is one aswell. 3] TJH - made some weird posts during the end of the day regarding the votes, but I could see him being legitimately frustrated about his idea of different rules. I do think that HtS made some solid points, which I can't ignore since she was spot on in the last day. He's also very quiet since that day.. I don't think you are scum for this but a few things - Sulfurus was flipped scum so anything he says on the invalid vote should be disregarded as WIFOM. - Scott isn't afraid of me because he's scum - yes he could be but it's not for that comment on me. He's fearing that I'M scum - this is from his experience with me together on a scumteam. More on this in another post I will have on Scott. - Regarding your Scott/Ghandi/TJH reads, between Scott and Ghandi, who is MORE likely to be scum? And how do you know Ghandi, being the worse of the two from your perpective isn't BSing about Scott? | ||
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