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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 12 2015 23:17 GMT
#341
nonono Sulfurus was busing me. I'm Mafia too guys plz kill me. XD

Alright down to business. Apparently my bait was successful although I wasn't around to catch the slip from Sulfurus. Glad to see that Half the Sky caught it. I'm going to actually work from here on out. Re-reading the thread seriously.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
July 12 2015 23:25 GMT
#342
I also lean town on TJHuggins, since he posted that sulfurus was his second on scum list. This was also before any of the voting began, though after sulfurus posted that super scummy post and was tagged for it by Half the sky. Still a good townlean for me.

Also, i get a townvibe from wonnaplay.

Of course, I could be all wrong about this, and mafia decided to sacrifice sulfurus, but dont really think so right now. Regardless, those reamaining that I think the mafia is among is : scott31337, GhandiEAGLE, NydusHerMain. One or two of these three are probably mafia.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 12 2015 23:43 GMT
#343
@n00b I think generally it's best for people to not give advice to the cop. Firstly, we don't even know if there is a cop. Secondly, if we all say "check X" and then nothing comes from it during the next day, everyone might assume the person is town, when either there isn't a cop, or the cop checked elsewhere. Thirdly, giving advice as to who the cop should check might be indicative that you aren't the cop. That's helpful for the scum, who are probably furiously blue hunting.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 12 2015 23:49 GMT
#344
Well HtS was already giving advice to the cop. heh

I think it's worthwhile for people to give advice to pretty much any role that can use an action.

The only reason for anyone to talk during the Night Phase is to guide the actions of the Blue Roles. That's it. Otherwise, no one should say anything until a minute before the deadline.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 12 2015 23:55 GMT
#345
Sorry about being useless/afk, small stuff that takes priority came up. From now on I have my full attention on the game, will drop in my current reads (spoilers; I don't trust Moose) later.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 13 2015 00:21 GMT
#346
On July 13 2015 08:55 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Sorry about being useless/afk, small stuff that takes priority came up. From now on I have my full attention on the game, will drop in my current reads (spoilers; I don't trust Moose) later.

yesyesyes I like this post the most. Especially the spoiler part. Let's start off and end with this on Day 2 folks.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 00:22 GMT
#347
On July 13 2015 07:29 Sulfurus wrote:
I don't count this as getting lynched since 4 people didn't vote but regardless gg wp.


It's plurality lynch Sulfurus, not majority. There's a massive difference between the two, hopefully someone's telling you that in the obs qt.

On July 13 2015 07:14 TJHuggins wrote:
I so strongly felt that MD is the most obvious mafia there could possible be... I was going to be so mad if Sulfuras flipped town. Now I'm not so sure since sulfuras was voting on MD. I need to reread Sulfuras posts to see why he was voting on MD.


That's part of the problem....there were none. That is how I tagged him!

On July 13 2015 07:32 TJHuggins wrote:
Also doesn't giving people only a warning for not voting a bit of a bad precedent to set? Isn't this essentially akin to allowing each player to make one non-vote each game?


This is a newbie game for a reason. People here (well 10/13) are new to TL. It's trying to get used to our site - kiddie pool style. Even in veteran games some moderators (Artanis, myself, etc) will allow warnings for first offences, and others (e.g. Blazinghand) will directly modkill. Again, the rules are NOT universal, so always read the OP.

On July 13 2015 08:12 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
Half the Sky wrote:
If there's a DT, check any of the lurkers/nulls - NHM/Scott/SW/WP

Would be interested in hearing opinions from others, on whether this would be the best use of a Cop's ability. A null is always statistically more likely to be Town than not. So if a Cop just goes stumbling into that group, he can expect to get a Town check back.

The good thing about getting a town check on someone in that group is that you won't mislynch them, when otherwise, it is always tempting to lynch a lurker.

But the bad thing about getting a town check on someone in that group is that...even once you know you can trust them, how much help are you really going to get from them? If Nydus were to come back, and we knew he could be trusted, then maybe that would be awesome, having a vet that is known to be Town, for sure. But right now, I don't see how we can bank on Scott/SilentWarrior/WonnaPlay giving us a lot of assistance in reasoning things out, even if they were known to be Town.

Grokken and TJ have both been much more active. I'm more curious about whether those guys are actually allies of mine, than I am about whether Scott is. And each is suspicious, in his own way. They both had their vote on Moosy while the Godfather was getting lynched. So that's not great. And then:

Grokken - Kelsier hated his list post. I didn't, really. But Kelsier could still be right, even though I didn't see anything. What was more suspicious to me was that when I started to turn thread sentiment against Moosy, Grokken quickly flipped his read on Moosy from Green to Red.

TJ - Being pissed about the Sulfurus lynch isn't necessarily alignment-indicative. Because if he were scum & smart, he would raise hell about it in the scum thread, and not here in the main thread, where it paints him in a negative light. But he could have been WIFOM'ing, or he could have been reacting in an emotional moment, without first thinking about how it would be perceived (as this is his first Mafia-by-Forum game, it sounded like). Moreover, there was something specific about TJ's behavior (that I won't bring to light just yet) that I found suspicious throughout all of Day 1. A town-check on this guy would keep me from spending the rest of the game tunneled on him. lol


Well here's the thing, there are two ways to play this, if there is a DT in this game.

Clearing lurkers or red checking them will help you in LYLO - as scum will push a certain way through a game and then boom late game clearing people may catch them off guard.

Alternatively you can also look at people whose current behaviour (if reasonably active) are soemwhat questionable or you cannot get a good read on them or if they appear controversial (like some people are townreading and others are scumreading) then they are also good checks. Given the current game state, I think for example Grokken would be a good check in this category.

As for TJ's behaviour I think I know what you might be inferring but we'll see how he progresses N1/D2.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 00:25 GMT
#348
On July 13 2015 08:49 n00bKing wrote:
Well HtS was already giving advice to the cop. heh

I think it's worthwhile for people to give advice to pretty much any role that can use an action.

The only reason for anyone to talk during the Night Phase is to guide the actions of the Blue Roles. That's it. Otherwise, no one should say anything until a minute before the deadline.


Well it never hurts to plan for the next phase.

I look at those who haven't voted for instance and I do wonder if some of them were trying to blend in (maybe? IDK, it's too early to tell, ie WP), but they really need to step up if they are town and....

....the four people who did not vote for the love of everything good esp if you are town, DO NOT FORGET TO VOTE!!!!!!!!!
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 13 2015 00:27 GMT
#349
Guys I didn't vote because I didn't want to kill my scum mate Sulfurus.
^^^
^^^
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 00:38 GMT
#350
On July 13 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
nonono Sulfurus was busing me. I'm Mafia too guys plz kill me. XD

Alright down to business. Apparently my bait was successful although I wasn't around to catch the slip from Sulfurus. Glad to see that Half the Sky caught it. I'm going to actually work from here on out. Re-reading the thread seriously.


LOL...

anyhow....if you are town, you are in a good position to tell us who the scummers - if any - were on your wagon. Who do you think they were?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 13 2015 00:43 GMT
#351
On July 13 2015 09:38 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
nonono Sulfurus was busing me. I'm Mafia too guys plz kill me. XD

Alright down to business. Apparently my bait was successful although I wasn't around to catch the slip from Sulfurus. Glad to see that Half the Sky caught it. I'm going to actually work from here on out. Re-reading the thread seriously.


LOL...

anyhow....if you are town, you are in a good position to tell us who the scummers - if any - were on your wagon. Who do you think they were?

tbh I have 2 suspicions but I'd rather wait. If I'm right, I'd rather not say it and die. Either way I doubt Mafia will try and kill me since some people apparently somehow see me as a possible scum and they will try and bus me. But knowing that they might kill me although there are better people to kill. ^.^ I love screwing things up for the Mafia.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
July 13 2015 01:09 GMT
#352
On July 13 2015 09:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 09:38 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 13 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
nonono Sulfurus was busing me. I'm Mafia too guys plz kill me. XD

Alright down to business. Apparently my bait was successful although I wasn't around to catch the slip from Sulfurus. Glad to see that Half the Sky caught it. I'm going to actually work from here on out. Re-reading the thread seriously.


LOL...

anyhow....if you are town, you are in a good position to tell us who the scummers - if any - were on your wagon. Who do you think they were?

tbh I have 2 suspicions but I'd rather wait. If I'm right, I'd rather not say it and die. Either way I doubt Mafia will try and kill me since some people apparently somehow see me as a possible scum and they will try and bus me. But knowing that they might kill me although there are better people to kill. ^.^ I love screwing things up for the Mafia.


You can post like 1 minute before night ends. That way, mafia can't kill you for whatever you say, as they don't have time to react.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 13 2015 01:16 GMT
#353
On July 13 2015 10:09 silentwarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 09:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 13 2015 09:38 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 13 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
nonono Sulfurus was busing me. I'm Mafia too guys plz kill me. XD

Alright down to business. Apparently my bait was successful although I wasn't around to catch the slip from Sulfurus. Glad to see that Half the Sky caught it. I'm going to actually work from here on out. Re-reading the thread seriously.


LOL...

anyhow....if you are town, you are in a good position to tell us who the scummers - if any - were on your wagon. Who do you think they were?

tbh I have 2 suspicions but I'd rather wait. If I'm right, I'd rather not say it and die. Either way I doubt Mafia will try and kill me since some people apparently somehow see me as a possible scum and they will try and bus me. But knowing that they might kill me although there are better people to kill. ^.^ I love screwing things up for the Mafia.


You can post like 1 minute before night ends. That way, mafia can't kill you for whatever you say, as they don't have time to react.

^.^ That was the goal.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 13 2015 08:18 GMT
#354
Usually when Mafia can't stop a d1 lynch, it's a sign that they don't have much sway over town and that the town 'leaders' are probably actually town. The number of people who didn't vote throws that up in the air a little bit, but I think for now we can look elsewhere other than HTS, Kelsier and n00b. There's nothing to stop HTS bussing Sulfurus, but at the same time the general inactivity of town and the inevitability of the Moosy lynch make me think that's unlikely. Especially because, from a meta perspective, I don't think scum HTS would bus a new player so out of the blue - the aim of these games is at least partly to make everyone enjoy and learn the game.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 13 2015 08:25 GMT
#355
I should probably finish my thoughts by saying that n00b was on Sulfurus from the start, so I think a bus is unlikely. I don't know whether Kelsier is a busser. His behaviour is definitely the most suspicious of all the people on Moosy - he had been wanting to lynch Silent and Wonna (I think, phone posting here). Still, he wasn't sold on the Moosy lynch, so it's not too big of a stretch.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 13 2015 08:27 GMT
#356
EBWOP "the most suspicious of all the people on Sulfurus"
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 13 2015 10:38 GMT
#357
sulfur's exit post saying that "4 people not voting means it doesn't count" indicates mafia is in the non votes who could have swayed it for him.
Zerg for Life
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 13 2015 10:55 GMT
#358
Meh, two things:

1) I don't think it necessarily reads that way; and
2) I don't think we should place too much weight on what he said, since technically he shouldn't have said anything.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 12:19 GMT
#359
On July 13 2015 19:55 Fidei86 wrote:
Meh, two things:

1) I don't think it necessarily reads that way; and
2) I don't think we should place too much weight on what he said, since technically he shouldn't have said anything.


Or the fact that given he's flipped scum, it really should be disregarded as WIFOM.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 13 2015 12:31 GMT
#360
On July 13 2015 19:38 KelsierSC wrote:
sulfur's exit post saying that "4 people not voting means it doesn't count" indicates mafia is in the non votes who could have swayed it for him.

Yeah I don't necessarily read it in that way. It could have just been townies that would have sheeped the case on me.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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