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Grokken
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
Also, with that, it means that I was totally wrong on my TT read. Sorry buddy :-( | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On July 18 2015 09:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: @Half the Sky, what do you think of Fidei86 vs Tictock? I'm interested in your opinion on it. I would ask n00bKing but I trust your reads more while I trust n00bKing more for his association cases. If you'd been through Holy Guardians, you'd be terrified of TickTock too. He literally was like Teflon that day. Think Holyflare, but without all of the emo stuff that HF pulls. | ||
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Fidei86
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Day 3 Vote Count TJHuggins(5): n00bKing, Fidei86, silentwarrior, Tictock, Grokken silentwarrior(3): TJHuggins, MoosyDoosy, Half the Sky Not Voting(2): WonnaPlay, scott31337 Reminder Voting is done here. It is mandatory to vote. Not doing so will result in a warning a second non vote will result in a modkill and action taken against you in the Mafia ban thread. Currently silentwarrior is set to be lynched with 6 votes. Day 3 ends in PLEASE REMEMBER THAT IT IS MANDATORY TO VOTE. | ||
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Grokken
Sweden245 Posts
On July 18 2015 17:43 Fidei86 wrote: Hey Grokken, just one question, why did you check TT over TJH? I figured he would likely get lynched anyway. Knowing the alignment of someone who's dead doesnt help much. | ||
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Fidei86
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Fidei86
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1. The circumstances of TJH's claim are just utterly bullshit. He is universally read as scum, but doesn't claim as soon as he has his red check after N2. I don't think there's any way that we would believe him over the inevitable counter claimer, and he can't of thought we would either. 2. However, there has to be some pretty serious panic in the scum team. With Grokken green checking MD and TT, and with me, n00b and HTS all pretty likely to be town, they had to make a play. The claim alone isn't the play here. They need a way to buy some serious town cred, and the only way for them to do that is to have TJH attempt to bus his partner. They were hoping that people would conclude that SW was almost certainly town. That has already worked a little bit. 3. If, for some strange reason, we actually had believed TJH's claim, then he would be pretty well confirmed cop. We'd then lynch the cop. Yes, at that point TJH is in a bad place, but he would have had the chance to get two more NKs and hopefully get rid of town leaders who would be able to nail him to the mast. It's pretty YOLO, but it's not like scum have many avenues left. If our TJH lynch is correct, we could basically just lynch all of the non-town circle in order and still win. That, and TT's case on SW was good and now that I know he's town we know he has no other agenda. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
Looking at the evolution of his reads, it's totally bogus. He solo votes on NHM N1. He then town reads TJH for putting Sulfurs second on his scum list, but as discussed, that's actually a massively scummy thing to do. The crucial part, next, is that he does this massive big long post on Ghandi, presumably in order to make sure that town stays on the GE wagon. He doesn't say ANYTHING else about TJH at all. But then, with literally no explanation, he moves TJH down into his 'scum' category, despite TJH having said basically nothing between SW's first read of him as town and then. I couldn't have solved this game without the following people: HTS - so glad I was town with you. I think if you had rolled scum, it would have been GG. n00b - I won't eff with you I promise Grokken - Bro, you did a nice job as cop, checking exactly the right people and trying to help town without making yourself a target for NK. Props. I'm very impressed. You've got a bright future here. TT - Buddy, what can I say. I'm sorry about the things I said yesterday. You were the first one on the SW wagon, and without you this wouldn't have been possible. TL;DR If I can see this far, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants. | ||
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Fidei86
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silentwarrior
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Btw, thx grokken for claiming to save me. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
Lol. If anyone actually needs me to explain why that thread re-entry is 100% mafia, then I will. But I think you're all smart enough to figure it out for yourselves. | ||
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silentwarrior
131 Posts
On July 18 2015 19:36 Fidei86 wrote: Okay, I'm now 100% convinced that SW is the final mafia. Looking at the evolution of his reads, it's totally bogus. He solo votes on NHM N1. He then town reads TJH for putting Sulfurs second on his scum list, but as discussed, that's actually a massively scummy thing to do. The crucial part, next, is that he does this massive big long post on Ghandi, presumably in order to make sure that town stays on the GE wagon. He doesn't say ANYTHING else about TJH at all. But then, with literally no explanation, he moves TJH down into his 'scum' category, despite TJH having said basically nothing between SW's first read of him as town and then. I couldn't have solved this game without the following people: HTS - so glad I was town with you. I think if you had rolled scum, it would have been GG. n00b - I won't eff with you I promise Grokken - Bro, you did a nice job as cop, checking exactly the right people and trying to help town without making yourself a target for NK. Props. I'm very impressed. You've got a bright future here. TT - Buddy, what can I say. I'm sorry about the things I said yesterday. You were the first one on the SW wagon, and without you this wouldn't have been possible. TL;DR If I can see this far, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants. All of this has already been stated by TT, and I have already answered all of this. | ||
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Fidei86
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silentwarrior
131 Posts
On July 18 2015 19:54 Fidei86 wrote: Your answer wasn't sufficient. You said that you had answered it. I assume you're talking about the post where you kick around the argument that TJH was actually seriously scummy for what he posted re Sulfurus, but you hardly reached a conclusion. It reads to me, with the knowledge we have now, that you were caught trying to back your mafia buddy and didn't want to bus him but also wanted to distance yourself from him. Have no good answer for that, and could have easily been that. All I can say is that I didn't understand the tactic TJH used. What I did after sulfurus flipped mafia was go trough the whole thread and see who said anything negative about him before he was lynched. I figured anyone that said anything bad would probably not be mafia. These were Grokken and TJH, and I wrote as much after d1 lynch. I did however also write that TJH wrote about sulfurus after sulf was tagged, which diminishes the town cred he gets for it. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On July 18 2015 19:45 silentwarrior wrote: Oh, wow. A lot happened while I was gone. First, really disappointed that you guys actually believed TJH. You didn't find it convenient that the guy who is set to be lynched with the most votes by far is dt and has red check on next likely lynch? And he dosen't claim until it is evident that he will be lynched? Still can't believe you guys did that. Btw, thx grokken for claiming to save me. Okay, I just can't restrain myself from making this post, because it's such a gimme: 1. This post is a total distortion of what happened. Nobody straight up believed TJH's claim. Lots of people (TT, for example) said that the claim was bullshit straight off. HOWEVER, if you don't have the necessary counter-claims, the correct play from town is to lynch the red check 100%. If the red check is off, you then lynch the false-cop. But you always lynch the target first, because then you don't run the risk of accidentally lynching your cop. 2. Nowhere in this post does SW express any actual claim to town. He berates town for believing TJH's claim, and he says thanks to Grokken, but he doesn't actually try and move the agenda forward or even hint that he might be town. 3. He's riled. Mafia get riled when they are close to being caught. They just can't help it. I've seen it time and time again, in real life mafia and in forum mafia. 4. Specifically, this is the first time that we've seen SW post this directly. Everything else has been pretty bland, but this has real fire to it. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Fidei86
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silentwarrior
131 Posts
On July 18 2015 20:05 Fidei86 wrote: Okay, I just can't restrain myself from making this post, because it's such a gimme: 1. This post is a total distortion of what happened. Nobody straight up believed TJH's claim. Lots of people (TT, for example) said that the claim was bullshit straight off. HOWEVER, if you don't have the necessary counter-claims, the correct play from town is to lynch the red check 100%. If the red check is off, you then lynch the false-cop. But you always lynch the target first, because then you don't run the risk of accidentally lynching your cop. 2. Nowhere in this post does SW express any actual claim to town. He berates town for believing TJH's claim, and he says thanks to Grokken, but he doesn't actually try and move the agenda forward or even hint that he might be town. 3. He's riled. Mafia get riled when they are close to being caught. They just can't help it. I've seen it time and time again, in real life mafia and in forum mafia. 4. Specifically, this is the first time that we've seen SW post this directly. Everything else has been pretty bland, but this has real fire to it. 1. So what, Im supposed to roll over and just accept that a mafia is trying to lynch me? The reasons for my dissappointment is that you all believed a mafia claiming he was dt and acusing me of red. 2. Ok, so apparently fidei is so stupid that he dosen't realise that mafia can also write "I am town", and me writing it means nothing. But just so that this can also be answered, I AM TOWN!!!! 3. I got riled because a mafia claimed dt and said i was red, and the whole town seemed to believe him and switched their vote to me. 4. Fire how? You mean emotional? Because this is a game of logic, and emotions shouldn't be used, logic should. That way bland is better than fire. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
I don't think anyone came out and said they straight up believed TJH's claim. Lots of people displayed skepticism. N00b said that he wouldn't have moved his vote anyway. HOWEVER, as I explained above, good town players should absolutely move their votes onto the cop claimer's red check, as you get the same amount of information as you would if you lynched the cop, but without running the risk of actually lynching the cop. The situation obviously then changes if you get a counter-claim. Here we have a very believable counter-claim coming from Grokken, who plenty of people have been reading as town. Also, everyone is going to move to TJH if they haven't already - we know that HTS is offline and she'll switch 100% when she gets back. So there was no need for you to be angry at all. The fact that you are/were is a massive scum tell, in my opinion. Please don't take this personally - I know that Mafia is a game of lying. Next time maybe you'll roll town, and you can put everything you've learned from being Mafia this game towards being a good town next game. | ||
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