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On July 18 2015 20:26 Fidei86 wrote:
I mean, it probably doesn't need to be said again, but I might as well:
I don't think anyone came out and said they straight up believed TJH's claim. Lots of people displayed skepticism. N00b said that he wouldn't have moved his vote anyway. HOWEVER, as I explained above, good town players should absolutely move their votes onto the cop claimer's red check, as you get the same amount of information as you would if you lynched the cop, but without running the risk of actually lynching the cop. The situation obviously then changes if you get a counter-claim. Here we have a very believable counter-claim coming from Grokken, who plenty of people have been reading as town.
Also, everyone is going to move to TJH if they haven't already - we know that HTS is offline and she'll switch 100% when she gets back. So there was no need for you to be angry at all. The fact that you are/were is a massive scum tell, in my opinion.
Please don't take this personally - I know that Mafia is a game of lying. Next time maybe you'll roll town, and you can put everything you've learned from being Mafia this game towards being a good town next game.
Yes, I get that it would be better for town. But knowing about it makes you kind of emotional, and since I knew I was town and he was mafia, it became kind of emotional.
Didn't really get angry, just kind of disappointed. As I said, when you are the one being targetted for a fake dt claim, you would be.
Don't really take it personally, know you are trying to find scum just like me. But please try to have less of a tunnel vision. You said I was 100% mafia, to the point were you actually made after game comments, before I had even reacted to any of it.
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One thing about being town that I have learned is that it's not enough to have amazing judgement, you also need to get everyone else to vote for your scum reads. Sometimes it's enough to make a strong case, but in my view it's more persuasive when you demonstrate utter conviction. Mafia don't want to do that, because it leaves them in a pickle if they need to go a different way later on.
I'm convinced that I've now nailed the scum team (well, HTS was first on TJH and TT was first on you). So I need everyone to follow me. And hopefully my posting the way I have will show people just how sure I am.
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Also for the post game cred.
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I am here. Grabbing coffee.
Vote is going back on TJH.
James enjoy your holiday but I think you are wrong on SW. <3
I also think Tictock is wrong on Scott.
The VCA exonerates Scott as he afk voted and pre-hammered a Mafia assuming TJH flips red. The vote was highly contested at the time Scott voted.
WonnaPlay hammered after setting himself up to vote TJH and if both are scum could have been communicated in the scum qt.
And even I said even if SW isn't making great posts, newbie scum rarely if ever put in the amount of effort that he has.
If SW isn't scum, Wonna is the final one.
Just my opinion.
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On July 18 2015 20:07 Fidei86 wrote:
PS you can all call me James "Foolishness" Jones from now on. Boom.
I have no idea if you're serious, but if you are, these are probably the most stacked teams ever.
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James is probably messing with us. He is probably the last Mafia.
/tinfoil
(Yes Fidei's name is actually James...I play Dota too much with him. <3 Maybe you can join us too Grokken if you don't mind 3k scrubs )
Teams being stacked is very possible. Teams are RNGed by most hosts. Skill is irrelevant.
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I don't think it makes sense for SW to get worked up about getting fake red checked, since I already counterclaimed. It's obvious that we're lynching TJH and not him. I'm not sure if that's enough reason for me to think he is mafia though. It would be very risky for TJH to fake a red check on SW because:
1. If the real cop waits until the next day to counterclaim, mafia loses.
2. If the real cop has already checked SW, mafia loses.
It's still not impossible of course, seeing how the mafia is in a terrible spot. You have to take risks when youre behind.
I was actually hesitating to counter claim. I didn't have a check on SW, so I didn't actually know if he was mafia or not. If he was town, I wouldn't have to counter claim at all, since town would figure out TJH is mafia after the mislynch. I would also get another check without risking a roleblock. The only way this would be bad is if I get night killed, but I don't think I was a high prio target for the mafia with the way I was posting. In the end I went with the safer play. Even after claiming, the only way we lose is if HtS, n00b, or Fidei is the last mafia. No need to go for the risky win when you can go for the safe win.
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On July 18 2015 22:17 Half the Sky wrote:James is probably messing with us. He is probably the last Mafia. /tinfoil (Yes Fidei's name is actually James...I play Dota too much with him. <3 Maybe you can join us too Grokken if you don't mind 3k scrubs ) Teams being stacked is very possible. Teams are RNGed by most hosts. Skill is irrelevant.
Sure. I play with friends who are 3k all the time, it doesn't really bother me.
I know teams are random, but damn did we get lucky with the RNG. Not only did we get a bunch of strong players on the same team, we also managed to lynch the GF day one and confirm you as town (although I guess the lynch on Sulfurus was just as much skill as luck).
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On July 18 2015 22:11 Grokken wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 20:07 Fidei86 wrote:
PS you can all call me James "Foolishness" Jones from now on. Boom. I have no idea if you're serious, but if you are, these are probably the most stacked teams ever.
<3
The fact that you would even entertain the fact that I might be Foolishness is a massive compliment.
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Dang...I was about to say TJ's cop play was too abysmal and we should look into if he's actually cop because of the way he seemed to intend to show he was cop but I guess it's fine the way it is now. I hate changing my vote so many times but here's my faith in you n00bKing. Voted for TJ.
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On July 18 2015 22:39 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 22:11 Grokken wrote:On July 18 2015 20:07 Fidei86 wrote:
PS you can all call me James "Foolishness" Jones from now on. Boom. I have no idea if you're serious, but if you are, these are probably the most stacked teams ever. <3 The fact that you would even entertain the fact that I might be Foolishness is a massive compliment.
You're welcome, I guess. I've never played with Foolishness though, I just heard he was good at mafia. Also english is not my first language and i misinterpreted what you said. I was kind of confused at first and thought you were a smurf account or something. But then I realized you were just using his name cause he is good at mafia. Kinda like calling yourself James "Dendi" Jones to say you're good at dota 
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I haven't rolled Mafia yet. I'm kind of concerned that if/when I do it will be blindingly obvious to HTS and others.
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On July 18 2015 22:51 Grokken wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 22:39 Fidei86 wrote:On July 18 2015 22:11 Grokken wrote:On July 18 2015 20:07 Fidei86 wrote:
PS you can all call me James "Foolishness" Jones from now on. Boom. I have no idea if you're serious, but if you are, these are probably the most stacked teams ever. <3 The fact that you would even entertain the fact that I might be Foolishness is a massive compliment. You're welcome, I guess. I've never played with Foolishness though, I just heard he was good at mafia. Also english is not my first language and i misinterpreted what you said. I was kind of confused at first and thought you were a smurf account or something. But then I realized you were just using his name cause he is good at mafia. Kinda like calling yourself James "Dendi" Jones to say you're good at dota
I play 4 position support. They call me James "Aui" Jones in Dota circles.
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On July 18 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Dang...I was about to say TJ's cop play was too abysmal and we should look into if he's actually cop because of the way he seemed to intend to show he was cop but I guess it's fine the way it is now. I hate changing my vote so many times but here's my faith in you n00bKing. Voted for TJ.
You don't need any faith though. Actually it would be better for town if TJH flips cop, because that would confirm me and SW as the last 2 mafia .
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I suddenly feel a lot less hesistant to post. Maybe it's because I don't have to worry about when to claim, maybe it's because I don't have to worry about anyone scumreading me.
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On July 18 2015 22:26 Grokken wrote:
I don't think it makes sense for SW to get worked up about getting fake red checked, since I already counterclaimed. It's obvious that we're lynching TJH and not him. I'm not sure if that's enough reason for me to think he is mafia though. It would be very risky for TJH to fake a red check on SW because:
1. If the real cop waits until the next day to counterclaim, mafia loses.
2. If the real cop has already checked SW, mafia loses.
It's still not impossible of course, seeing how the mafia is in a terrible spot. You have to take risks when youre behind.
I was actually hesitating to counter claim. I didn't have a check on SW, so I didn't actually know if he was mafia or not. If he was town, I wouldn't have to counter claim at all, since town would figure out TJH is mafia after the mislynch. I would also get another check without risking a roleblock. The only way this would be bad is if I get night killed, but I don't think I was a high prio target for the mafia with the way I was posting. In the end I went with the safer play. Even after claiming, the only way we lose is if HtS, n00b, or Fidei is the last mafia. No need to go for the risky win when you can go for the safe win.
OR.......just go ahead and check silentwarrior during night time! Then we know if he's telling the truth or not.
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On July 18 2015 22:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 22:26 Grokken wrote:
I don't think it makes sense for SW to get worked up about getting fake red checked, since I already counterclaimed. It's obvious that we're lynching TJH and not him. I'm not sure if that's enough reason for me to think he is mafia though. It would be very risky for TJH to fake a red check on SW because:
1. If the real cop waits until the next day to counterclaim, mafia loses.
2. If the real cop has already checked SW, mafia loses.
It's still not impossible of course, seeing how the mafia is in a terrible spot. You have to take risks when youre behind.
I was actually hesitating to counter claim. I didn't have a check on SW, so I didn't actually know if he was mafia or not. If he was town, I wouldn't have to counter claim at all, since town would figure out TJH is mafia after the mislynch. I would also get another check without risking a roleblock. The only way this would be bad is if I get night killed, but I don't think I was a high prio target for the mafia with the way I was posting. In the end I went with the safer play. Even after claiming, the only way we lose is if HtS, n00b, or Fidei is the last mafia. No need to go for the risky win when you can go for the safe win. OR.......just go ahead and check silentwarrior during night time! Then we know if he's telling the truth or not.
I can do that if TJH flips roleblocker. If he flips goon the last mafia will roleblock me.
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Btw, who got roleblocked? Was it scott or wonnaplay?
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I dunno. Mafia may have held it? That doesn't make sense though - they might as well put it on HTS again if they were scared of confirming someone town? But if they were going to hold it, it would also make sense for the Mafia to claim they were roleblocked. I looked at the rules again and I'm pretty sure that the target does get notified.
It's a mystery.
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On July 19 2015 00:37 silentwarrior wrote:
Btw, who got roleblocked? Was it scott or wonnaplay?
Wonna said no so it's gotta be scott. Judging how much he's been afk I'm not surprised if we only find out until this game ends.
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