EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden
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*checks op* *oh.... " | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:24 scott31337 wrote: My first normal, this will be fun!! HF can we be friends? Of course :D if only you were my shadow this game instead | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote: PS me and holyflare can't both be scum, discuss. also this question super duper bugs me, you explained why i'm very likely not scum in your eyes so why on earth would you ask this question in the first place, it's super redundant I also agree that's the most odd post ever. | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote: oh hey dis guy too..... | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:38 geript wrote: @HF who are your townreads. Oh and btw Wubby is 100% town. Player List 1) Marvellosity 2) Scott31337 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 4) Clarity_nl (filter) 5) ruXxar (filter) <--- pretty sure 12) Trfel (filter) 16) KelsierSC (filter) 20) Damdred (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 24) Holyflare (filter) | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:17 geript wrote: I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town. i don't care what you think about wave tbh so cool | ||
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it doesn't bother me and i'm undecided about clarity because his question on wave is what i thought looking at wave's post hence why he's half mafia and half town time will tell | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:38 Harkon wrote: I know? Seems like a perfectly reasonable conclusion. was talking to kelsier | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:17 geript wrote: I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town. explain plz | ||
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*****THIS IS 100% NOT TOWN SANDROBA. tHIS IS FUCKING LAZY ASS PUSSY SHIT THAT SANDROBA DOES WHEN HE'S MAFIA. LYNCH HIM. THEN IDK WHO BUT 1000% LYNCH SANDROBA hehehehe | ||
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then link the posts that you think look like effort | ||
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On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote: lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too  | ||
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Him just dropping in and not attempting to do much i think is scum LS. I think i made a similar read on him last game and he was town This feels so unnatural to read that it kind of looks like you were forced to write it. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote: Hm? It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote: It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss. I will never back down from this You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun  | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:25 rsoultin wrote: heh, doubt it xP but i'll be more sure soon enough I don't need you. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:37 rsoultin wrote: eh last comment of the night i hadn't noticed breshke's vote until just now...dude, if you used that same read incorrectly last time you played with ls, why the hell would you feel strongly enough about a read that was proven false this game to vote on it this early? Oh puh lease This is the most horrible post ive seen. You might actually be mafia. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:06 Breshke wrote: or i was strugeling to word it in a way it made sense There's no way you missed this exchange rsoultin | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:43 rsoultin wrote: you're brilliant, really. cause that's totally what i'm referring to ^^ It's exactly the same thing wtf are you smoking. "breshke writes that the read is wrong because ls was town but now he uses the read to think he's scum" it looks super forced You are saying the same exact thing which is redundant since it's been answered and you shouldn't have missed that exchange if you saw his vote in the first place | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:46 Breshke wrote: So im a bit confused. Hf do you still dislike that sentence or do you buy my explanation. RS basically answer the same thing pls. I thought your answer was super inadequate but I'm undecided. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:52 Breshke wrote: Feel free to lynch me but then you won't be voting trefel anymore. Seems redundant In the future I mean! A vote with me secures your safety. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:55 Trfel wrote: I thought you were never ever going to change your read on me no matter what? Who says my vote will be changing and why would that matter? I know it's hard man. I feel your pain i really do. You're in the trolling and pointing out irrelevant crap for the sake of it part of the mafiarollingitis waiting for a scummy post or your motivation to reappear. It will happen later but it's already too late for you. Rest dear boy. Your time shall come again next game. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:58 Breshke wrote: It doesn't mean nothing. It just doesn't mean a lot. You lobbying so hard for this makes me not want to do it more. Yeh ok well enjoy being irrelevant to me then! | ||
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The offer has a time limit though so reconsider quickly! | ||
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On July 06 2015 16:08 rsoultin wrote: considering anyone can figure that out by reading the op and he's not an imbecile? xP Haha as if i read the op unless i have to | ||
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On July 06 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote: I had something in mind, but it didn't actually show anything. Now, if only I knew your alignment.... As you can see here. No matter what you answered his reply would always be the same. It's a redundant circular question meant to appear contributary but actually just clutters the thread incessantly drawing us away from actual important things. | ||
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I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise. | ||
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There's a reason people seemingly ignore your posts and that's the majority of the reason why. | ||
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On July 06 2015 16:42 Trfel wrote: Hey Holyflare, you noticed I got first place in the TL Mafia Fantasy Proleague group, right? Congratualtions, now play the game. | ||
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Also, yeh, ritoky's reads were bad and very odd. | ||
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Shit tier list awesome | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:49 Holyflare wrote: Kelsier's silly effort is likely towny, marv is k for now, ruxxar still cool uhhhh hardon hehe seems ok, oats cool Shit tier list awesome I'll let the wanderer and miller claims play out but being wary for now. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:05 Holyflare wrote: lol i don't see a game where trfel has ever posted nothing for so long and it's hilarious that people keep defending him for it hilarious = scummy | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:07 Vivax wrote: You're wrong, there was a game where he was town and actually didn't post jack all day long until EoD. and that game's name was? | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:08 Vivax wrote: I think it was his first normal after the game where I coached him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=Trfel if you're talking about carol that's the most disingenuous read ever | ||
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From my own meta/experience with him, he's town. I am also aware he's recently had scum success though, so I would think he's going to be smart enough to replicate his town game as much as possible. Am I making sense now? no but carry on | ||
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Since i've never seen him do it in any of his town games and nobody has corrected me to say otherwise, I simply have no idea how you and rsoul can say the exact same thing that his meta and tone reads point to him being town. You then go onto say that rsoul is flustered and is mafiay when she has the exact same stance you do on trfel? | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote: I just don't get it hts, none of what I said is to do with afking in the slightest. That was just a cursory pressure post at the start of the game. Everything is to do with his return which is a more than prominent feature in this thread if you read through it since BH had to make a public announcement about the shit I was wading through. Since i've never seen him do it in any of his town games and nobody has corrected me to say otherwise, I simply have no idea how you and rsoul can say the exact same thing that his meta and tone reads point to him being town. maybe that's a better way to get the answer i'm looking for? | ||
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From my own meta/experience with him, he's town. I am also aware he's recently had scum success though, so I would think he's going to be smart enough to replicate his town game as much as possible. Am I making sense now? On July 07 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote: I just don't get it hts, none of what I said is to do with afking in the slightest. That was just a cursory pressure post at the start of the game. Everything is to do with his return which is a more than prominent feature in this thread if you read through it since BH had to make a public announcement about the shit I was wading through. Since i've never seen him do it in any of his town games and nobody has corrected me to say otherwise, I simply have no idea how you and rsoul can say the exact same thing that his meta and tone reads point to him being town. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote: Well that took a bit to read a good amount of town reads from it sorta, these are the people id want to lynch today Trfel Ritoky LIGHTNINGSTRIKE these are my most wanted lynched obvious preference tell me town reads and why | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote: I retract that I would sheep on Trfel, I realized he posted more than I thought. We should kill geript for being a liar. ...............................? "I will sheep hf's read that trfel is posting contentless drivel" "i will not sheep hf's read on trfel because he's posted LOTS of contentless drivel" ??????????????????????????? | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:47 Half the Sky wrote: Alright, my experience/meta does not cover the game where Trfel helped carry mafia (NSM11) as I did not actually play in that game. My understanding of that game is that he won the game based on how he filter dove people and spun his arguments. If your problem is with the way he's deflecting and posting what you seem to be scumreading him for, I can tell you he did the same thing in Down Under 2. He made several posts about music composition and whatnot and then actually cased the hosts in lylo. And he was town that game. Please tell me I am making more sense than I have done before? That's the only thing I needed. His opening looks a lot like his mafia game though because of the no content and i've never seen a town game where he's done the same. It also fits the mafiarollingitis theory to a tee. | ||
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apart from marv cz he's a scummy non-londoner | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:55 Half the Sky wrote: I can sheep this. Still wanting to go to piccadilly institute? well i'm no millionaire | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote: I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes. Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick. then why on earth did you ever want to sheep trfel read in the first place?? This is the most bs post ever dude | ||
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That's not even the whole thing. You can see when he does actually try and start to contribute his posts ask circular questions that never meant to receive an answer that makes sense: On July 06 2015 16:25 Holyflare wrote: As you can see here. No matter what you answered his reply would always be the same. It's a redundant circular question meant to appear contributary but actually just clutters the thread incessantly drawing us away from actual important things. It's not a thought process, it's literal questions for the sake of asking questions. | ||
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On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote: lol wow you really don't get it, do you? truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there but keep barking about it On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote: ^^ i understand what you're trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><) and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you | ||
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just because you don't get it or know trfel is town doesn't mean you have to broadcast that to everyone | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:43 rsoultin wrote: want to post your posts in between that, pretty? lol >< are you trying to be hypocritical or does it just come naturally to you? I'm not sure how my posts in between are relevant at all since i'm not defending the stance that I was a dick. I'm saying I had a purpose and you repeatedly spewed tmi or an inability to see the direction of where things were going. If your read is null and someone is pushing something then I have no idea why you'd go in the opposite direction and defend them when your read is null. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:53 rsoultin wrote: now i'm not sure if i know whose smurf you are after all -_- bueno, that's not important truffle played like this in down under 2 and assassination, and i have no earthly clue what hf actually thinks to achieve by this unless he believes what he's saying, in which case he's not interested in truffle's alignment anyway because he's already made up his mind no he didn't | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:57 Vivax wrote: Might I add you said this one minute after it has been posted so you didn't even finish reading it, and you can't convince me that you have some sick fast-reading skills. I did read it since there's only about 5 lines of actual text and the rest are quotes that i've written | ||
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you know what does that EARLY in the game? rolling mafia twice in a row after try harding as mafia previously there is 0 evidence that he ever plays this shit at the start of the game for no reason, even when he tried his posts were NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING like his posts as town in other games | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:02 rsoultin wrote: lol >< and you started in on him before he'd even gotten a chance to settle in? of course he eventually did stuff, and i fully expect him to again this game talk about something else we're never going to agree on this no thanks | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:03 Vivax wrote: All this shit about Trfel is so distracting. All that's being discussed is Trfel and HF claimed the spotlight for himself. Can we talk about geript? Or Damdred. I actually didn't like the way Damdred tried to bait LS into saying something damning earlier and then turned it into a scumread. It's not bad per se as it's a legit town strategy but my feels tingled with malicious intentions given that I don't get a scummy feeling from LS. geript has done nothing and has posted reads that don't make sense and are unexplained, it means nothing it's geript damdred focusing on ls so much is very weird but damdred's other scum reads are good and i'm waiting for his list of town reads ruxxar is so totally different from the last game i have no idea how people can scum read him ls has done nothing scummy yet to be scum read | ||
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i don't get the phrasing argument either because it doesn't make any sense | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:19 Harkon wrote: To me the argument about ruxxar and geript is quite similar actually. After quickly checking his himalaya filter ruxxar is posting very carefully and thoughtful there while it is the complete opposite in this game. The same applies to geript to an extent. As mafia he generally makes really thought out and well constructed posts. He is also generally way more townread as scum. As town he has very polarizing and borderline nonsensical reads and gets scumread. I am not really concerned with either of them at the moment. ^ that's basically it, ruxxar is far too carefree and his "i don't want to lynch you for bad reasons" post makes perfect sense and isn't awkward in the slightest | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:20 marvellosity wrote: my vote is still on mafia if anyone's interested yeh ritoky/trfel good for me | ||
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"I haven't done anything and that's not the norm for any of my town games" "hf scum reads me for that" "that's just scummy!" care to explain anything at all trfel? since you scum read me earlier and never elaborated then either | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:31 Clarity_nl wrote: His first post that people jumped on is NAI, other than that I don't have any meta on him as I've never played with him or seen him play, but I don't see anything that indicated that he's scum. Not that he's been useful, but whatever. I know it's dumb and I hate rewarding the "fuck you I'm not getting lynched you get no info from me" but I think this post makes him a bit more likely to be town. I feel he'll show his colours in time zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz none of that is the basis for any read | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:37 Trfel wrote: Why is marvellosity town, Holyflare? because he has intuitively grasped my reads, both scum and town, which has worked pretty reliably for me in the past | ||
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8) ritoky slight town only one i'm confused about | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:41 geript wrote: Keep on being poop HF for not being good enough to understand my reads ahh i'm not good enough because i'm town totally not mafia defending my scum buddy oats you heard it here folks the god of reads town reads me | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:05 ritoky wrote: People are scum reading me for not reading my filter. I think you're more likely scum cuz of it than KSC cuz KSC has done things to earn townie check marks. I read your filter but you saying you are going to post less doesn't mean you become trash and post 0 things. | ||
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On June 27 2015 11:35 ritoky wrote: just a note for anyone who cares, i am not going to post much this game, and do my best not to shitpost....it is hard for me, but don't expect 20 page filters. good strategy, shame you failed it | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote: I don't like the Miller claim that HtS spewed out, like he doesn't give a fuck. Reads more like a backup (which is sadly NAI), claiming Miller makes sense as scum and as town. He's threwing out cases and opinions without going too hard for someone. He did the same in the Himalaya game after he got in via replacement, he was scum in there. I just want to say that before people start sheeping him. You mean i can't believe it's not themed and I agree this is actually an amazing read | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:08 KelsierSC wrote: ritoky was part of the LS wtf brigade when this happened in himilayas so i don't see why he does this at all his excuse about lynch pressure seems incorrect, he would have needed about 9 people to all vote on him. yeh well he's claimed medic d1 before too so i dunno | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:08 KelsierSC wrote: ritoky was part of the LS wtf brigade when this happened in himilayas so i don't see why he does this at all his excuse about lynch pressure seems incorrect, he would have needed about 9 people to all vote on him. actually i'm rethinking this so dunno | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:09 geript wrote: Scott31337 Clarity_nl Vivax Bill Murray ritoky Meapak_Ziphh Trfel LightningStrike ObiWanShinobi milo109 Oatsmaster Damdred rsoultin XEliteBlueHunter69X People not currently in my town circle like this list maybe | ||
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4) Clarity_nl (filter) <--- maybe off 6) Vivax (filter) 7) Bill Murray (filter) 8) ritoky (filter) <---- mehbe off 11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) 12) Trfel (filter) <--- lynch with fire 14) Palmar (filter) 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) 17) milo109 (filter) 18) Breshke (filter) 19) Oatsmaster (filter) <--- mehhhbe off 20) Damdred (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 22) Half The Sky (filter) ^ that's more like mine | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote: HF dont' ignore me please, I went from a decent strong town read to now not in town circle. answer plox things I asked i didn't like your town list purely because it seemed like you were unsure on the people and still town reading them which didn't really make sense and wasn't like last game where your town reads were more basic and tonal and easy flowing basically it looks overexplained | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote: Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him. Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum. rsoul your question is pretty redundant he's answered it right at the start | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:46 Damdred wrote: I don't think this is true at all, my ls town read in the last game was way over explained. And I just caught a lot of flack for under explaining my early town read of RS, and a lot of the ones I listed were more based on tone than anything so not sure I see it doesn't matter if you think it's true or not, it's what i felt and it's why you're not on my town list you don't have to like it or agree with it | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:56 geript wrote: I'd be really surprised if I were wrong about Breshke. He was interacting with the thread instead of around the thread. eh not sure about breshke tbh so tentative atm | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:01 geript wrote: Idk what it is about Palmer. But I think too many people have brought him up seriously for him to likely be mafia. It's possible. But I got a hint of interest from him. Those two things make me think he's likely town. Re HtS... I looked at her filter. Seemed pretty honest and not super post just to posty. She's probably town on that alone. It's not hard to be honest but I agree with that amazing guy from not themed that talked about HtS's meta and BF brought it up this game which was super awesome and it actually kind of fits here, there's a lot of talking and not much pushing (this milo thing aside which is kind of after the fact and ... whateverish) | ||
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oh please, that's exactly what he's reaching for purposefully playing like shit asking about what if someone cc's a blue claim say he has a plan later it's bs and i'm not gonna believe it also trfel, i'm not lynching ls I think he's pretty towny; open, honest, thinks people are crazy when they call him mafia, all the innocent blue crap | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:38 LightningStrike wrote: Again it doesn't exactly answer Tfrel's question unless I missing something. that's the point trfel hasn't given a proper read and instead is afking for reads so he won't get an answer until he contributes | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote: I think it makes sense now.... I don't scumread LightningStrike any more. On July 07 2015 08:31 Trfel wrote: I think that I want to lynch LightningStrike. Anyone disagree? If so, please state why. nothing about LS has even changed inbetween | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Sorry, it's not something I'm going to explain. And there is much more to my LightningStrike scumread than his latest few posts. yeh he fucking clearly explained it | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote: hts saw the questioning why are you so blind, hf? QUESTIONING QUESTIONING what in his answers lead to him reversing his earlier stance why is he asking lightningstrike questions when he had the stance of not wanting to lynch him none of those are answers | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote: I think it makes sense now.... I don't scumread LightningStrike any more. On July 07 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote: Also, LightningStrike, what do think about ritoky now that he has claimed? On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote: LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then? On July 07 2015 08:31 Trfel wrote: I think that I want to lynch LightningStrike. Anyone disagree? If so, please state why. like if anyone can read this pile of shit and say: then they are most likely mafia | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote: Going through WoS and LS filters again... Those of you that know WoS, are there any general town or scum tells I should be on the lookout for? I have never played with him and reading his filter, nothing is jumping out at me as particularly scummy except for his more or less afk vote on Holyflare. I'm not sure where that vote came from tbh, can't tell if it was tone or whatnot. If you took that out, I'd probably given him a null to slight townlean for some of the posts in his filter, but if he's been around awhile, he probably could replicate that as scum. his involvement with the thread and his remembering what is happening is how i read him if he doesn't play then who knows, geript seems to think he's town though | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:12 rsoultin wrote: not sure how the two clauses in this sentence are even related? you said nothing changed something changed you weren't reading end of story if you MEAN something else, SAY something else, instead of just shifting your scumread however it suits you no I said what I mean. NOTHING about LS has changed in between his not scum reading him and wanting to lynch him. The only thing that's happened is Lightningstrike answering a question in a Lightningstrike way. Nothing has changed. Trfel's read has changed. He refused to explain it. You say he explained it. | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:03 Holyflare wrote: QUESTIONING QUESTIONING what in his answers lead to him reversing his earlier stance why is he asking lightningstrike questions when he had the stance of not wanting to lynch him none of those are answers when someone says they don't want to lynch someone and then afk's for a long time and asks them a random question about a claimed blue that warrants a generic response and then he changes their read it's pretty weird and needs explaining because: a) why would he ask ls specifically that question when ls was off the table at that point for him, why not anyone else? b) the generic response is so classic ls that it shouldn't change the original response | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:17 Holyflare wrote: Now you're just going to say "lightningstrike's answers clearly changed his read" which you know, is totally unexplained and scummy since nothing LS has said is scummy which leads us full circle back to: when someone says they don't want to lynch someone and then afk's for a long time and asks them a random question about a claimed blue that warrants a generic response and then he changes their read it's pretty weird and needs explaining because: a) why would he ask ls specifically that question when ls was off the table at that point for him, why not anyone else? b) the generic response is so classic ls that it shouldn't change the original response and if his response is "ls didn't talk about ritoky claiming blue" then he didn't even need to ask the question in the first place and ls' answers should solidify that ls didn't need to respond because he though it was obvious | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:18 rsoultin wrote: you do get that i am trying very hard not to shitfight with you, right? so now you're interpreting that ls' answers SHOULD have not resulted in a read change. fine. interpret it that way i don't even disagree with you, but i don't know what truffle thinks he has, and rather than throwing shit at him i'm just gonna wait cause he said he was WORKING ON IT which means if he doesn't deliver then you can get your panties in a bunch i am going to ignore you now great you admit you're just entering into the discussion for no reason because you have no idea so stop | ||
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go away seriously, if you have nothing to add and even acknowledge you have no idea what he's thinking then just seriously don't even post it achieves nothing but aggravation and you know what it leads to so stop | ||
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i want to know why trfel changed his read in between with such basic ls answers you have turned it into 2 pages of useless shit and you don't even know the answer fuck off | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:04 Holyflare wrote: like if you're going to blindly defend him again then just don't even bother with your sarcastic "you should just read" crap when it doesn't answer my questions at all, either answer on behalf of him or don't interject at all? | ||
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DID FUCKING ASK HOLY SHIT | ||
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you said you'd leave and you're perpetuating useless theatrics for no reason, I want answers and you're prohibiting them. | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:03 Holyflare wrote: QUESTIONING QUESTIONING what in his answers lead to him reversing his earlier stance why is he asking lightningstrike questions when he had the stance of not wanting to lynch him none of those are answers quite clearly questions | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rso and Hf stop fighting. You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this. no shit i'd absolutely love to I just want answers from people and she makes it literally impossible | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:38 Half the Sky wrote: Wouldn't call her perspective "useless shit" tbh, if you're scumreading someone or looking close at someone you probably want to see for yourself whether what they are saying could make sense... I mean the response of "it should be obvious are you blind" is clearly not helpful in response to the question "why are you scum reading ls for no change in ls' posting" | ||
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Original Message From Trfel: Hopefully we can someday! Probably will, since you play so much, haha. i will never forget this and in comparison this game is F- tier, no way | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote: LightningStrike
On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote: it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too 1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread 2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people 3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different When you wake up care to give me your thoughts? When you are caught up can I have your reads please? | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote: 1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread 2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people 3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different also NONE OF THIS CONTAINS ANY RESPONSE ABOUT LS' READ ON RITOKY LOL so, trfel's case is based on everything earlier and what did he say earlier? On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote: I think it makes sense now.... I don't scumread LightningStrike any more. everything after does not change because of his response to ritoky, nothing is different | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:50 geript wrote: Ok. IDK wtf to do w/ trfel. He's weird. I actually find the whole trfel-rso-ls triangle pretty weird to be honest. i'll look into oats probably so hold onto that and yeh this whole game is just people playing weirdly i don't get it | ||
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all of his start of the game is indicative of someone burnt out from playing mafia twice in a row, he's never played like this ever as town at the start of the game all of his questions when he did start asking questions were circular and could do nothing with the response his reads don't make sense and aren't ever elaborated on, he scum reads me etc as well as ls and only ever explained ls he's trolling through the thread he switched his stance on ls from not scum to scum based on him asking questions about ritoky but that never featured in his case on LS which means those questions were irrelevant to his stance change which means his original post on not scum reading LS any more was bs just read my filter it's full of stuff | ||
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On July 07 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote: How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote. because I have played a lot of mafia and he just played a super try hard game as mafia in his last game, he can be tired but that does not make him play badly for the entirety of the game especially when asked to play better, trfel is not a troll you can just look at his past games (sure he posts trolly things sometimes) regardless this is now a sub point in this game "many people have unexplained reads", sure and many people give reasons when asked and those reasons I can see coming from a town perspective of someone reading the thread and thinking critically. Trfel's reads seem to bypass the thread entirely and talk around it and then he interjects with random questions sometimes that don't effect anything at all. Just because he calls me scum that is not the reason I am scum reading him at all. I don't understand how this point is ONLY convincing if LS is mafia either at all. If a player has a read that says that a player is town and then he changes it to a player is scum based on no new information that has been gained, why do you think that happens? If he then reveals the information he is scum reading a player on and it contains things that have been said to be town reads for LS why has he not acknowledged those points? It seems like Trfel is simply: On July 07 2015 01:47 Half the Sky wrote: Alright, my experience/meta does not cover the game where Trfel helped carry mafia (NSM11) as I did not actually play in that game. My understanding of that game is that he won the game based on how he filter dove people and spun his arguments. If your problem is with the way he's deflecting and posting what you seem to be scumreading him for, I can tell you he did the same thing in Down Under 2. He made several posts about music composition and whatnot and then actually cased the hosts in lylo. And he was town that game. Please tell me I am making more sense than I have done before? On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote: lol wow you really don't get it, do you? truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP but keep barking about it playing his mafia meta to a tee. Furthermore, his read on LightningStrike doesn't make any sense in the context either. Why would he pick out LightningStrike as mafia after saying he's no longer a scum read? Why is it only LightningStrike? Where is the thought process? There is 0 thought process. I am not sure I understand how you can defend this person (you're probably mafia) | ||
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On July 07 2015 11:50 rsoultin wrote: hey hf humor me for a second yeah? assassination, guardians, carol, and even aperture (though obv reasons why this isn't as relevant) to a lesser extent what do they all have in common? and you played in every single one of these, too like i agree that case on ls was meeeeeeeh and doesn't make much sense given the former stuff, but all of these were large themed just like this one. all had a low-activity truffle and the one he contributed in most (arguably) was the one he rolled 3p in, at least in terms of actually posting worthwhile things early you just kind of decided that the reason he's low-activity is because of rolling scum twice instead of considering that this is actually normal for him in large games? i have a toneread on him. i know that's not something you give a shit about, but this toneread is practically ironclad, and a lot stronger than a double-mafia roll theory. like i don't want to lynch a townread >< maybe you really believe this theory of yours but are you willing to at least consider the fact that it's actually normal for him to barely post in large themed games? it doesn't matter, all of his games have purpose and push and direction, I've not seen a single game where he isn't inquisitive or pushing something or trying to solve things or point things out not a single one I was proud enough of his play that I sent him a PM because I saw him in general and liked his playstyle and how he pushed logical things and he was getting down about being wrong so I thought I'd send him one (it's on the last page) and this is nothing like i've ever seen in any game of his. This isn't a themed game at all it's a normal game. The questions he's asked in this game have no sense behind them, no purpose. All of the questions he has actually asked have seemingly led to what? His rekindling of his LS read that doesn't make sense and a scum read on me when he hasn't asked a single question about me? Sure, that makes no sense whatsoever. | ||
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On July 07 2015 11:57 milo109 wrote: I defended him because you and I were the only ones on and you were attempting to sway my vote. I simply stated why that won't happen. I might be wrong on trfel, and I might be wrong on you. Do you always call people who disagree with you mafia? I call people that disagree with me mafia when they haven't reasoned out their response for disagreeing with me because they are likely defending a town player because they don't know better. I am not simply trying to "sway" anyone, although if you want to simplify it totally then yes I want people to vote on the person I think is mafia, sure. I want an active discussion on what people think of the points I've raised and why they disagree with them and why they think the opposite. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:04 milo109 wrote: I gave reasons for diagreeing. Whether or not you find them legitimate is up to you. Also, are you saying I'm bad mafia defending town trfel? That first sentence is confusing. On July 07 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote: How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote. These are your reasons for disagreeing but they are not really evaluated at all and don't address the points I actually raised. The burnt out scum thing was simply because I've experienced it before and it seemed very familiar. Sure, it could have been him being tired but then it continued into mafia redundant questions and processes which led me to believe it actually was just him being mafia and burnt out. Sure, you can say this is not relevant if you don't think so. Then there is the point about his questions which lead nowhere and have answers that he already knows about - you didn't address this point. You also misinterpret the point about his read on me. Him saying I am mafia has nothing to do with it. He has no logical reason to think I am mafia because he has not stated why I am mafia but instead just repeats that I am. Yet, he was quite happy to elaborate (although badly) on LS when asked but not anyone else. LS is an extremely easy person to push as town due to his nature. His list of reads do not really have substance behind them. You say "what differentiates them from a town with unexplained reads" and the answer is that a towny will try his best to explain when asked because what has he got to hide? Nothing. Trfel repeatedly hides things and says he won't reveal it or that he'll save it for later. He is playing very dishonest and mafia like. Trolling isn't indicative, sure. I troll a lot. Trfel does not particularly troll and if you read the database you would see that even if he does troll he actually plays seriously and logically. The rest of the LS read you have not really addressed at all. How can trfel make a case on LS based on the early game but the early game is when he said he doesn't scum read LS? He changed his read on LS because of questions he asked LS about ritoky. Where are they in his case? They do not feature because he is simply reading LS' filter and making scummy narratives from them. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:07 milo109 wrote: I didn't say anything close to that. Unless you are talking to someone else. that was in regards to rsoultin, I am also not voting for you by the way, I don't know why that's a feature in your reads. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:08 rsoultin wrote: i've been trying to do that? it feels like you're not letting me no, what i should say is it feels like you're trying to marginalize me, and that irrationally pisses me off Well when I ask people questions I expect reactions from the person and not someone saying no and back off and that's not indicative while i'm doing it before the person has responded | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote: this isn't entirely true but i don't want to argue it anymore, if that's okay with you "yes he trolls sometimes" is that what you're going to say? I don't want an argument and it doesn't have to be. If my opinion is wrong, point out how. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:19 rsoultin wrote: yeah. especially early game and in large games :/ i'm not going to lie and say that this is an exceptional amount of nothing compared to what i'm used to, though That's pretty much the crux of it. I've looked at all his big games and if it's trolling at the start of the game it's only a few posts max. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and that's why I put pressure on him so he'd start and be logical and instead he went the totally opposite reaction which he has never done before. Hence, scum read. | ||
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LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight. This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia. Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread? | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:31 Breshke wrote: Idk I just suddenly get how frustrated you are. Feels a lot like last game with the Gb stuff. Like I said my main reason i wasn't really liking you for town was because normally i can call tou town because you are saying a bunch of stuff that im thinking. That obviously isn't happening this game though but i do not think that this makes you scum because you have mainly been talking about trefel who you seem to have a read on that i along with the rest of the thread seemingly can't follow. So the question then is no matter trfels alignment do you as mafia defend trfel like this and let yourself get legitimately frustrated and up in arms after going through it last game. I think it is fairly unlikely and that you would take a path of less resistance. I even gave you an out in that post just before that you probably know as scum you could easily get me to town read you by just talking through some oats stuff with me. So i think the way you reacted makes me think you are town. I like you now. GJ! | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:36 milo109 wrote: I haven't. I've played one mini game before this. Don't bring that one up in front of Scott though. How in the world is being surprised at a cop claim that is in the form of a hashtag at all excusable? what do you mean? | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:40 milo109 wrote: Why is this worth, '...............'? How can you not expect this? Is LS taking this seriously? Is he annoyed? I don't understand any of those reactions as town. LS takes things incredibly literally, yes. That's his thing. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote: Im not sure if this is sarcasm or not. I'm not asking you to reconsider your read. Like obviously you should be doing that anyway eventually but if you feel strongly about it push it just dont only talk about that (which i believe is what you are trying to do) No, it wasn't sarcasm. You were in my scummy poe list and now you are not. It was a well reasoned read. So, yeh, GJ! Keep being you! | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:42 Breshke wrote: I also think scott is probably mafia. His reads list was lackluster and jsut seems to be some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out. The only interesting thing is this But it feels like he is reaching and i don't really get why the AFK's get a mention halfway through. I'm not really sure how it's reaching? He says that Oats reacted differently to two different people that did the same thing, which is a good observation, is it not? I dunno about the afk thing, maybe he was making up the mafia list in one post and it looks a bit weird. That's my guess at least. Do need to read him though. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote: the phrasing still bugs me like...when he said he didn't want to lynch ls for "bad reasons"...i feel like the natural way to phrase that would be he doesn't want to mislynch ls? it just sat uncomfortable with me no not really, he knows that it would be a bad reason because it's ls so he'd be lynching ls for bad reasons it's like english so i don't expect you to understand it | ||
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On July 07 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote: I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not. Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight. So why ask for responses about your ls case and then clearly be around and ignore it? | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote: 1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread 2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people 3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different | ||
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Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same. that's when you know your entire scum read becomes baseless, when you say you did it in the same post ^^ HF, I'd like to ask some things. a) Do you promise to stop shitfighting? b) Who are your top scum reads? c) What do you think about Bluehunter? a) no, i only shit fight with people being annoying and getting in my way intentionally b) trfel (although, maybe not, but maybe but maybe not) hts keeps shovelling shit in my direction that is incredibly unfounded possibly oats because he seems to be try harding and i'm not used to a town oats giving a shit at all wave for his defence of clarity that was baseless and then doing nothing <-- - maybe not all the people below basically 2) Scott31337 (filter) 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 4) Clarity_nl (filter) 6) Vivax (filter) 7) Bill Murray (filter) 8) ritoky (filter) <---- only because of last game and LS 11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) 12) Trfel (filter) 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) 17) milo109 (filter) <-------- meeeeeeh? kinda liked his responses about trfel and out there geript read but undecided 19) Oatsmaster (filter) 20) Damdred (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) purely because she isn't pushing anything at all and just constantly shit fighting with me 22) Half The Sky (filter) <--- is also very placid and keeps trying to jump on me at every possible opportunity with stuff that is obviously bad ^ that's more like mine c) he voted trfel when i wanted people to vote trfel so he's quite clearly the best player, along with ruxxar, in this game | ||
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HF, I am bad reading HF D1. and I cannot tell whether his read on Trfel is bad (unfamiliarity) or mafia (taking advantage of the fact that Trfel is not posting reads quite yet, at least I know why). I will need to re-read this filter again. HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel. I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11. I know he had long gaps in posting in both NSM7 (or was it 9? one of them) and IIRC he was pretty underwhelming as town in Assassination, the latter being a large game, Taking HF's argument, the longer he goes without posting anything of substance, the worse he looks. On July 07 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote: For HF - to clarify, when she is mafia, those are the reactions you get when she's pushed, period. I'm getting that air of selective reasoning HF, and I don't particularly like it. Scumreads on ritoky, milo109, LS, HF, Palmar, BM. On July 07 2015 19:02 Half the Sky wrote: I thought it was good when I first saw his post too. But HF is really good at taking things out of context if/when he's scum. Even if he's town the post is flawed because LS' filter showed some reasonable basis for the change. The easiest way to cross check that is to look at LightningStrike's filter against the time stamps provided. It is a little annoying to do because the time stamps are in Korean time but once I did I found three quotes that I objectively found scummy in his filter before Trfel even explained it. (You hit the quote button and you'll find time stamp quoted in KST.) ^ like this is by far the worst post hts could have made: "I liked the post too but it's totally out of context! I found these 3 quotes objectively scummy!" that was nothing to do with my case at all, trfel didn't use any of those quotes to scum read lightningstrike and after reading his filter previously actually didn't scum read lightningstrike at all I mean, hts' stances on me have been: misreading the thread and picking out the wrong bits of every argument saying oh i missed it hf is towny seeing rsoultin shit fighting with me in the most obvious way possible and saying i look bad for wanting answers lol saying i look scummy for selective reasoning on trfel despite it not addressing trfel's post at all?? On July 07 2015 19:45 Half the Sky wrote: The other thing on HF is that he was all over Trfel thinking he's rolled scum because of rolling scum twice in a row. The same thing applies to BM who rolled scum in WC3. Marv is saying that BM's play is plausible if he were mafia. If HF flips scum he hasn't mentioned him at all from what I recall so that makes that possibility much more likely. Pre associative I know but something to think about. hts even just hosted himalayas where BM was town and didn't post a single thing the entire game, it's ridiculous that she thinks i would say anything this game about BM in the same way as trfel A few of us have opposing opinions on HF and a couple voiced some dissenting opinions on Damdred - for example Vivax felt that his posts were loaded or baitworthy, like he was trying to reach for an excuse to scumread LS. Do you agree with this assessment (same question also at KSC when he returns btw), I had previously quoted it. HF, I felt there is some selective reasoning. You probably want to look at the exchanges about 8-9 hours ago to get a sense of what was happening. (Admittedly he's probably not getting lynched today, but it's something that I think everyone needs to think about going on to later days.) like what, hts can do selective reasoning and it's a mistake but that one time I apparently did it (I didn't even do it) then I'm instantly in a scum list. It's a very weird thought process that I can't quite piece together and combined with her lack of pushing in any particular direction but instead just responding to things I think she's quite scummy. all to do with me! :D but in general I'd say it's a lot of responding to points about things and not really having the motivation to do it any further. It's like giving the answers about what people normally do and making no conclusions. The one person she did it on was Milo and that looked a bit meh to me. | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:42 Holyflare wrote: i don't think scott is mafia ok nvm that was a hasty 1 database mafia game read where he had less than a page of filter but his others aren't like that so nvm, I still don't hate his posts that much though | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:40 scott31337 wrote: This looks really familiar - throw out some suspicions, and then work on your agenda. I don't like this post at all. Did you read how he came to that conclusion? It made a lot of sense to me - mindmeldy... I like HF for more then the VT claim - also his interaction with rsoul. Good case - could sheep... This was posted while marv/ksc/hard were on rsoul, and I'm pretty confident it was to throw off discussion. I know it was a joke but was it to get distracted off of rsoul? It sure feels that way... I'm only at page 58 - here's my spreedsheet of love. 1) Marvellosity townie after the morning 2) Scott31337 town 3) WaveofShadow Voted HF weirdly 4) Clarity_nl mixed it with HF / slight town 5) ruXxar slight town 6) Vivax Meh/null of scum defends trfel 7) Bill Murray wanderer claim 8) ritoky slight town 9) geript slight town 10) boxerfred null meh posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul. 11) Meapak_Ziphh 12) Trfel Crap start but can be a big poster too 13) LightningStrike Meh/Damdred brings up good conclusions on his meta / looking up cases 14) Palmar Called boxerfred town which I don’t like/believe in 15) ObiWanShinobi Bad vote on HF / scumlean 16) KelsierSC Trying to think the game / townlean 17) milo109 scumlean ,towns HF / Oats / Wave 18) Breshke Ehh 19) Oatsmaster Says Clarity /WoS mafia 20) Damdred Slight town going after LS 21) rsoultin not a great defense when pressured, scumlean 22) Half The Sky miller claim / decent listpost 23) Harkon Smurf - maybe JAT? Ehhh 24) Holyflare Mindmelt opening - town 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X I'll be back in a couple hours after I eat and finish the thread. you'll say it's a shit reason but this list post was like exactly my thoughts on the game - the ritoky thing which was weird | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:27 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=84#1674 someone read my interactions with milo here with the mindset that trfel is town but being scum read and tell me what you think still want more people to do this (it's more than just the page i linked, it's like 2 or 3 pages) | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hf's giant list of people he has no idea about really bothers me. Same thing when geript does it. if you have an idea about any of those people then feel free to contribute | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's not the fact that you have no idea about them. It's the fact that you keep namedropping so many people as to make them look suspicious. I'm not lynching you today over a useless person but it's something I'm going to keep in mind. when do i name drop people out of the blue? i've given reads about pretty much all of those people | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:45 Holyflare wrote: still want more people to do this (it's more than just the page i linked, it's like 2 or 3 pages) | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Too many names for not enough reasons. But if you feel like dumbing down my argument and saying that it's about you responding about scumlists, then sure. and how have my reads got no reasons? did you even ask for my reasons? i think i've explained pretty much that entire list during my filter | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:15 Half the Sky wrote: Distinctly false. I pushed ritoky as well, and I still think he's scum now. This is part of what I mean about selective reasoning. Also the point on BM, he didn't do jack all in Himalayas, but in this game, he posted the wanderer claim and then AFKed. That's the difference here. I was willing to believe it when he first posted but I also had an expectation there'd be more from him. I don't even know what disingenuous even means but there's a difference here that is worthy being pointed out - if he is going to claim a town role, does he have the behaviour to back it up or is he just skating by? Marv is saying (from prior knowledge) it's possible. So calling that read poor is also pretty selective reasoning on HF's end. If he had posted nothing at all then HF might have a valid point against me. Obviously BM runs the risk of being modkilled but seeing this I needed to respond. That also said, I do agree that a BM lynch, if town, will also gain no information. Yes, none of those pushes were distinctly inspiring and you say things that you think several times (in regards to me specifically) that you never have any intention of ever following up on so in all honestly it looks like you're adding fuel to the fire whenever someone mentions my name just for the sake of doing it. It also doesn't align with what's been happening in the thread at all. As for BM: On July 07 2015 23:05 Holyflare wrote: oh right yeh bm posted On July 07 2015 23:06 Holyflare wrote: but yeh hts' read is still super disingenuous after himalayas where bm just didn't play and was town annoyance at being marginalised and wanting to be heard, which is also just a trait of being stubborn and having an ego which is why combined with her actual content and posts might be mafia but also might be not BM posted shit all in himalayas and was town, BM has posted shit all in this game and has a claim and could be town. I'm not going to say someone is burnt out mafia when their meta is to sometimes not play as town compared to Trfel whose meta is post logical thoughts a lot of the time. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:20 Half the Sky wrote: Read the top of page 98. I backed off once he stated it was correct. That was some confusion on my end. Although Palmar is saying otherwise, still I had him on my list of people to review. Also HF, re the point on milo being meh, I'm still waiting for the latest round of his answers to my questions whcih he'd say he'd provide. That's exactly it. Your push is "meh" you don't need his answers. He's posted like a million things after that and I just asked for people's opinions on milo's responses to Trfel's case (which happened a long time ago) and you have no response to that either. Like your scum read is making a case and your other scum read is responding to it and you just make a list with both of us in it and don't even look at what the people are saying. It's so... meh and you aren't a meh player that doesn't follow up on her reads properly. There's no instinctive drive to solve out that player. You are saying things just to say things. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim? or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be? I dunno his posts around what I was saying about trfel weren't awful but other than that it's pretty scummy (I keep coming back to the post where he lists 3 people that weren't really scummy at all and says 1 of them could be and going ... meh) but his claim after LS' claim last game also gives me wtf vibes but i don't really want to lynch him either kind of thing basically i'm a pussy and don't want to lynch a potential cop | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote: i thought he was saying there that Trfel's narrative on LS wasn't convincing i said trfel's case was wrong and looked like he was trying to build a mafia narrative and milo responded, hts has taken it way out of context | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:33 Damdred wrote: I don't think the point is invalid about the unvote imo or invalidates the point I tried to make. Thread sentiment went against wave to an extent hf pushed it, clary jumped on. Opportunity to jump off clar jumps off, i think misrepresenting my case into one point is dumb, like you don't even interact with the other points of it just that its scummy because marv was wrong about one of the points i talked about. i only pushed it because clarity said it dude | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:19 Holyflare wrote: Yes, none of those pushes were distinctly inspiring and you say things that you think several times (in regards to me specifically) that you never have any intention of ever following up on so in all honestly it looks like you're adding fuel to the fire whenever someone mentions my name just for the sake of doing it. It also doesn't align with what's been happening in the thread at all. As for BM: BM posted shit all in himalayas and was town, BM has posted shit all in this game and has a claim and could be town. I'm not going to say someone is burnt out mafia when their meta is to sometimes not play as town compared to Trfel whose meta is post logical thoughts a lot of the time. On July 08 2015 00:22 Holyflare wrote: That's exactly it. Your push is "meh" you don't need his answers. He's posted like a million things after that and I just asked for people's opinions on milo's responses to Trfel's case (which happened a long time ago) and you have no response to that either. Like your scum read is making a case and your other scum read is responding to it and you just make a list with both of us in it and don't even look at what the people are saying. It's so... meh and you aren't a meh player that doesn't follow up on her reads properly. There's no instinctive drive to solve out that player. You are saying things just to say things. I think i'm on to something tbh | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:58 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + HF, I am bad reading HF D1. and I cannot tell whether his read on Trfel is bad (unfamiliarity) or mafia (taking advantage of the fact that Trfel is not posting reads quite yet, at least I know why). I will need to re-read this filter again. HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel. I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11. I know he had long gaps in posting in both NSM7 (or was it 9? one of them) and IIRC he was pretty underwhelming as town in Assassination, the latter being a large game, Taking HF's argument, the longer he goes without posting anything of substance, the worse he looks. On July 07 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote: For HF - to clarify, when she is mafia, those are the reactions you get when she's pushed, period. I'm getting that air of selective reasoning HF, and I don't particularly like it. Scumreads on ritoky, milo109, LS, HF, Palmar, BM. On July 07 2015 19:02 Half the Sky wrote: I thought it was good when I first saw his post too. But HF is really good at taking things out of context if/when he's scum. Even if he's town the post is flawed because LS' filter showed some reasonable basis for the change. The easiest way to cross check that is to look at LightningStrike's filter against the time stamps provided. It is a little annoying to do because the time stamps are in Korean time but once I did I found three quotes that I objectively found scummy in his filter before Trfel even explained it. (You hit the quote button and you'll find time stamp quoted in KST.) ^ like this is by far the worst post hts could have made: "I liked the post too but it's totally out of context! I found these 3 quotes objectively scummy!" that was nothing to do with my case at all, trfel didn't use any of those quotes to scum read lightningstrike and after reading his filter previously actually didn't scum read lightningstrike at all I mean, hts' stances on me have been: misreading the thread and picking out the wrong bits of every argument saying oh i missed it hf is towny seeing rsoultin shit fighting with me in the most obvious way possible and saying i look bad for wanting answers lol saying i look scummy for selective reasoning on trfel despite it not addressing trfel's post at all?? On July 07 2015 19:45 Half the Sky wrote: The other thing on HF is that he was all over Trfel thinking he's rolled scum because of rolling scum twice in a row. The same thing applies to BM who rolled scum in WC3. Marv is saying that BM's play is plausible if he were mafia. If HF flips scum he hasn't mentioned him at all from what I recall so that makes that possibility much more likely. Pre associative I know but something to think about. hts even just hosted himalayas where BM was town and didn't post a single thing the entire game, it's ridiculous that she thinks i would say anything this game about BM in the same way as trfel A few of us have opposing opinions on HF and a couple voiced some dissenting opinions on Damdred - for example Vivax felt that his posts were loaded or baitworthy, like he was trying to reach for an excuse to scumread LS. Do you agree with this assessment (same question also at KSC when he returns btw), I had previously quoted it. HF, I felt there is some selective reasoning. You probably want to look at the exchanges about 8-9 hours ago to get a sense of what was happening. (Admittedly he's probably not getting lynched today, but it's something that I think everyone needs to think about going on to later days.) like what, hts can do selective reasoning and it's a mistake but that one time I apparently did it (I didn't even do it) then I'm instantly in a scum list. It's a very weird thought process that I can't quite piece together and combined with her lack of pushing in any particular direction but instead just responding to things I think she's quite scummy. all to do with me! :D but in general I'd say it's a lot of responding to points about things and not really having the motivation to do it any further. It's like giving the answers about what people normally do and making no conclusions. The one person she did it on was Milo and that looked a bit meh to me. On July 08 2015 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I think i'm on to something tbh On July 08 2015 00:45 Holyflare wrote: someone acknowledge me | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:51 marvellosity wrote: HF I've not got the energy to wade through it all, her filter has so many words like maybe if you can consolidate it into a couple really good reasons why i should vote her over ritoky, but meh | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:53 geript wrote: The more a Damdred posts, the more I yearn to lynch him. I'm really surprised by his desire to lynch Wave. Not because I have a townread on wave but more because he's definitely not the target Damdred would usually choose here. I don't recognize any of Damdred's thought process at all this game and as town I've been able to spot his quite early. Like I know you guys don't buy my magical reads. But they work. And Damdred isn't town. I, too, share the sentiment that Damdred is not towny. Whether he is mafia though is a different story. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:05 Damdred wrote: I'm done really really tired of being scum read for whatever I do whenever I'm in any games, hunt town and find scum through pie in scum for doing that. Just looking for scummy behavior and caseing it and I'm scum for that. la te da, fuck that shit I'm getting me Chinese playing final fantasy and I'll be back near deadline fuck it you realise last game you were solely called mafia because you were afk for the entire game and the person calling you mafia was me lol? | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:11 Holyflare wrote: you realise last game you were solely called mafia because you were afk for the entire game and the person calling you mafia was me lol? I mean, I liked clarity's response to your case and I disliked a bit of your case. That's all there is to it. What was wrong with poeing people down? I wanna know what you're thinking dude. | ||
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3) WaveofShadow (filter) 6) Vivax (filter) 7) Bill Murray (filter) 8) ritoky (filter) 11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) 17) milo109 (filter) 19) Oatsmaster (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 22) Half The Sky (filter) I think I do want to remove scott too maybe... his list post just made me feel good bolded i would lynch today probably and the rest is because i'm being super lazy and just not reading to get a better idea of | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:23 marvellosity wrote: just to repeat my earlier request: if anyone can point to posts from ritoky that give you pause to think he might be town, please speak now the last 5 posts of page 2 of his filter and all page 3 of his filter | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote: On mobile atm but I have two questions for you: I'm reading your filter, you've been pushing Trfel for 11/13 pages of your filter. Then I see a "maybe/maybe not" as your last comment so how did that Trfel read just disappear? Second, milo and ritoky are my top two scum reads. I've been abundantly clear where I stood on both all game. You mean to say that if we are on a scum team together that I'd be bussing two of my teammates? Or put it another way, if you are pushing my lynch you would be voting with me (a scum read) on either milo or ritoky. Does not compute. I've made it clear his post defending himself wasn't that bad. I also don't care who you are pushing. Like i said anyway your milo push isn't a push. It's uneventful, uninspired and not driven. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote: I've made it clear his post defending himself wasn't that bad. I also don't care who you are pushing. Like i said anyway your milo push isn't a push. It's uneventful, uninspired and not driven. I mean you accuse me of taking things out of context and not reading into stuff and selective reasoning but then you couldn't even understand why i was pushing trfel at the start of the game, you just quoted a milo post and didn't even know the context of it and were completely wrong about what he was writing. At what point does your selective reasoning and out of context posts mean anything? | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote: WHAT RISK IS THERE? HOW IS THAT NOT A SCUMSLIP. Wave, how is that being a dick? Explain how it is a scum slip | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: lol fuck you, you know very well I came up with that as well. By all means explain to me how it should be applied then. Either way I'm not voting him. Anyone else worthy of note? HtS, milo | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote: There are like 15 investigators in the game. Everyone vt is an investigator. Clearly geript didnt get the same role pm as us because he assumes there are 2, like im saying investigator instead of cop. He isnt blue either because he would be a lot more careful about doing shit relating to roles. Therefore hes mafia, scumslipped. ok i'll allow it | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:52 LightningStrike wrote: Did anyone forget that HTS under no pressure claimed Miller? so what? | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:56 boxerfred wrote: I do absolutely not understand the town lean in breshke, clarity and LS. then why didn't you question my list about that lol? I think they're all pretty towny too. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Not feeling an HTS lynch. Try again town. maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:07 boxerfred wrote: Oh yeah - in a weird way, that influences HF's claim. Can easily be the "lel im VT" for real, can also be "I wanna hide being a blue". But there's no need to hide that, just not saying anything would've been way better. That does indicate to me that his VT claim is real. Moving him from scum lean to town lean. nah i'm just a VT | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping. Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. you fucking serious? | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:30 geript wrote: So you're admitting that you scumslipped this game. Sweet. Just post baby seals now. On July 08 2015 02:25 geript wrote: BTW. Oats should be lynched regardless for actually believing in scumslips. That sort of shit should be punished heavily. Anyone who thinks like that needs to be taught a lesson. hehe anyway, milo or HtS are the lynches today, you can take your pick! If you're too lazy to read HtS then that's fine as long as you just admit that | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Is meta the only way to catch her then? Because on its own you can't very well say her posting has been overly scummy. where do I say it's meta? All of the reasons for scum reading her are based on this game entirely, the meta is purely to back up the fact that this isn't towny behaviour. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:37 Half the Sky wrote: Still didn't answer what happened to the ritoky or Trfel reads you had before....yawn.... On July 08 2015 00:27 Holyflare wrote: I dunno his posts around what I was saying about trfel weren't awful but other than that it's pretty scummy (I keep coming back to the post where he lists 3 people that weren't really scummy at all and says 1 of them could be and going ... meh) but his claim after LS' claim last game also gives me wtf vibes but i don't really want to lynch him either kind of thing basically i'm a pussy and don't want to lynch a potential cop On July 08 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote: I've made it clear his post defending himself wasn't that bad. I also don't care who you are pushing. Like i said anyway your milo push isn't a push. It's uneventful, uninspired and not driven. yes i did, how dishonest | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:39 WaveofShadow wrote: It's pretty disingenuous to say it isn't towny behaviour. There are plenty of townies who post like this without coming with conclusions or pushing harder. Like, I admit it very well could be scummy behaviour but I don't feel it strongly. oh please it's not disingenuous at all, hts isn't a shit player so you don't judge her by shit player metrics | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote: I mean you accuse me of taking things out of context and not reading into stuff and selective reasoning but then you couldn't even understand why i was pushing trfel at the start of the game, you just quoted a milo post and didn't even know the context of it and were completely wrong about what he was writing. At what point does your selective reasoning and out of context posts mean anything? explain this HtS, why did you change your entire read on me despite calling me town all at the start of the game based on one thing that you haven't even explained and isn't even true but when you do it you're supposedly going to call yourself town, why is selective reasoning on one set of posts mafia indicative if you do it and are town | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote: explain this HtS, why did you change your entire read on me despite calling me town all at the start of the game based on one thing that you haven't even explained and isn't even true but when you do it you're supposedly going to call yourself town, why is selective reasoning on one set of posts mafia indicative if you do it and are town I mean you haven't even explained how it's selective reasoning either. Trfel called LS not scum. Trfel questions LS about Ritoky, LS answers with the most basic answers ever, Trfel calls LS mafia. Trfel posts case that contains no information about his answers to Ritoky. Trfel's case is dishonest. You disregarded that whole case because of "selective reasoning", where is the selective reasoning? | ||
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On July 07 2015 19:02 Half the Sky wrote: I thought it was good when I first saw his post too. But HF is really good at taking things out of context if/when he's scum. Even if he's town the post is flawed because LS' filter showed some reasonable basis for the change. The easiest way to cross check that is to look at LightningStrike's filter against the time stamps provided. It is a little annoying to do because the time stamps are in Korean time but once I did I found three quotes that I objectively found scummy in his filter before Trfel even explained it. (You hit the quote button and you'll find time stamp quoted in KST.) Like this entire post dismisses the entire case on Trfel based on absolutely nothing. | ||
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So basically this is a defence for the sake of defending and is completely out of whack response for someone with imperfect information. | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:45 Holyflare wrote: still want more people to do this (it's more than just the page i linked, it's like 2 or 3 pages) | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:10 Vivax wrote: The arguments on Trfel are similar given he also has two reads he didn't really follow through with, AND he didn't claim a role that's gonna get confirmed or not by his survival over the nights. Killing ritoky feels like an unnecessary risk. It's irrational imo. much astute many town vivax | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:15 Half the Sky wrote: I'll be blunt here, I think you could be mafia and if you are, you have done a great job in the past derailing people with emotion and/or taking things out of context. I am still not at all impressed how/why you dropped the Trfel read or why you consider myself (or milo from your end) scummier than he. You REALLY can't understand why I think you're scummy??? After i've posted about 20 paragraphs about it and made a case? REALLY? Why do I care if you're impressed. If you town read Trfel and now I think his last post was honest and start town reading him why is your initial read of suspicion and how does that make sense for a mafia holyflare to even do. It doesn't, you're grasping at straws. You have no responses for any of the questions I raise. You misquote things, you take things out of context and then you try and spin it in a scummy way (milo post, ritoky actions) and then when I do it ONCE in this game (which isn't even true) you completely flip your read around. Your thoughts do not align with your actions. Your posts have no direction. Your scum read on milo did not progress in the slightest because you were "waiting for him to answer questions" despite him posting several times after that and I was asking him questions which you still didn't acknowledge. You keep posting how I am pushing milo but think you are also mafia which very likely makes me mafia but I am pushing milo and you think i'm mafia. That is the biggest double standard in this game. SO SO SO mafia double standardy in fact that i'm voting you. | ||
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HF: "It doesn't matter to me, I read people as scum independently!" HtS: "I think HF is scummy and also milo!" ????????????????? | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:25 Harkon wrote: I still have no problem with lynching him. No idea why HF changed his mind about him. i dunno his last post felt genuine frustration enough for me to take him out of my poe list for today (doesn't mean i think he's town) | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote: HtS: "HF, how can you think milo and myself are mafia together, that's scummy!" HF: "It doesn't matter to me, I read people as scum independently!" HtS: "I think HF is scummy and also milo!" ????????????????? comments plzzzzzzz | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:41 marvellosity wrote: good news: i'm kinda here bad news: i'm here because i abandoned my workout because i was feeling nauseous so i'm not up to much from this page i gather we're congregating on ritoky/hts. was milo abandoned for some reason? i really don't have the energy to read anything. not a problem voting for milo | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:52 milo109 wrote: I want to lynch ten people. Damdred Scott Ritoky HF HtS Clarity Kelsier LS Rsoul Vaxx(whatever his name is) Hopefully I might be able to narrow that down a little. On July 07 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote: How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote. ummmmmmmmmmmmm? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:03 Half the Sky wrote: Look at the final page (page 3) of his filter, he goes right from the post I quoted above to the list post that you cited. As in, from "who knows if that is mafia indicative...." to throwing us on a would-lynch list. See the problem now? no, it's still not scummy because being weird and having you in a list of 10 people is ok saying he town reads someone and then saying he's in the list is scummy | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:19 Holyflare wrote: You REALLY can't understand why I think you're scummy??? After i've posted about 20 paragraphs about it and made a case? REALLY? Why do I care if you're impressed. If you town read Trfel and now I think his last post was honest and start town reading him why is your initial read of suspicion and how does that make sense for a mafia holyflare to even do. It doesn't, you're grasping at straws. You have no responses for any of the questions I raise. You misquote things, you take things out of context and then you try and spin it in a scummy way (milo post, ritoky actions) and then when I do it ONCE in this game (which isn't even true) you completely flip your read around. Your thoughts do not align with your actions. Your posts have no direction. Your scum read on milo did not progress in the slightest because you were "waiting for him to answer questions" despite him posting several times after that and I was asking him questions which you still didn't acknowledge. You keep posting how I am pushing milo but think you are also mafia which very likely makes me mafia but I am pushing milo and you think i'm mafia. That is the biggest double standard in this game. SO SO SO mafia double standardy in fact that i'm voting you. | ||
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"maybe hts will have replied to a single post directed to her suspicions on me and why they are wrong" f5 "maybe hts will have responded now" f5 "maybe hts just missed it, i'll repost it" f5 "maybe hts is writing a post" f5 "hts this is getting silly now" f5 "hts plz" On July 08 2015 04:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm disputing what you're saying because it looks like you are just adding things on that don't make sense for the sake of saying things (which I'm saying you've been doing all game) and you have totally ignored this post still: | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:24 marvellosity wrote: milo - any role use restriction? milo - why did you call HF town and later add him to scumlist? he may have been calling hts town (he said he got confused later) but still has her in the list anyway so same kind of question, also how can he possibly think i'm scum with any of those 2 PPP | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:28 Vivax wrote: Marv I have no idea why you're scumreading milo. Do I have to look harder? how can you be so finely aware of how ritoky and trfel are playing so similarly but have no idea why there is a wagon on milo? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:22 Holyflare wrote: f5 "maybe hts will have replied to a single post directed to her suspicions on me and why they are wrong" f5 "maybe hts will have responded now" f5 "maybe hts just missed it, i'll repost it" f5 "maybe hts is writing a post" f5 "hts this is getting silly now" f5 "hts plz" omfg hts how hard is this to do | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:29 milo109 wrote: Because I hated his attack on HtS. Who I also think is scum. It's complicated. elaborate | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:33 ritoky wrote: When a lynch goes through very easily on day 1 and there's little resistance it is usually on town or derp mafia. That's why I am more inclined to believe milo. The speed at which he garnered votes indicates he is likely town. Conversely there is so much resistance against lynching HtS, and I don't really understand why people have town reads on her or are averse to it. there's 20 townies and 5 mafia, if a post like i pointed out was shown it's not that big of a deal that only 9 people voted, it's less than half of the game | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:38 Holyflare wrote: If milo can't elaborate on his read I'm quite happy lynching him btw | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote: HtS: "HF, how can you think milo and myself are mafia together, that's scummy!" HF: "It doesn't matter to me, I read people as scum independently!" HtS: "I think HF is scummy and also milo!" ????????????????? On July 08 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote: On mobile atm but I have two questions for you: I'm reading your filter, you've been pushing Trfel for 11/13 pages of your filter. Then I see a "maybe/maybe not" as your last comment so how did that Trfel read just disappear? Second, milo and ritoky are my top two scum reads. I've been abundantly clear where I stood on both all game. You mean to say that if we are on a scum team together that I'd be bussing two of my teammates? Or put it another way, if you are pushing my lynch you would be voting with me (a scum read) on either milo or ritoky. Does not compute. why has your stance changed completely from earlier when you used the opposite stance to scum read me? Why also are you ignoring my statement about your own play. If you take posts like Milo's out of context (such as his read on trfel but you said it was on LS so in fact it was wrong) then why is it scummy that you think I did it once when if you are town you have done it multiple times? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: In what world does mafia go "the best play here is to lynch me/this other person with majority votes" and then questions people on why they're not doing so? me last game!? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This is bullshit and you know it. Not everyone is you. ritoky was in that game ritoky saw me martyr and lynch the town cop ritoky recreates? how is that bull shit??? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's nothing here that indicates that ritoky is mafia for doing so. yes and there's 0 things to indicate that he's town doing it, congratulations | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:55 boxerfred wrote: I don't think I'll vote for ritoky today. Said before why (not lynching un-cc'ed blue claim if I have other reads). hmmmm it would be hilarious if bf and milo are mafia together and bf didn't think his partner would cc hilarious i tell you | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:57 Half the Sky wrote: In a world where all three of us being mentioned for lynch are town, who do you think are scummers skating by? There are two hours here, we should be expecting more people to come by you'd think for EoD. I agree on consolidation but there is still some time to talk. you still need to explain your read: you say i'm scummy for thinking you're bussing a team mate but then you say i'm bussing my team mate why? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:29 milo109 wrote: Because I hated his attack on HtS. Who I also think is scum. It's complicated. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote: well milo doesn't really care about explaining anything and he's left the thread while we fight it out? is that the case milo? | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:06 Vivax wrote: This game is insane, at the start of the day with plenty of room to do things, some people go nuts about Trfel. When at the end of the day it turns out he didn't deliver jack for real, they start lynching into cop claims. So what? | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:07 geript wrote: I kinda want to lynch Scott I like his listsssss Let's lynch rsoul! | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:10 Holyflare wrote: Can someone remember a single scum read other than me that rsoul had? I can't really. She also was adamant about how she'd ignore everyone if she thought she was right and push the person (like she pushed marv ages ago) and dropped her push on me because marv said so. Super easily. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hi fam I'm here, let me read thread and shit dude what the fuck | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:27 Holyflare wrote: also fuck this milo guy he still hasn't explained his hts and me read and this is a GREAT REASON to vote him which nobody has explained really. If he had a reason for making that post then he'd know the votes on him would disappear completely since that's the only reason everyone jumped onto him. Yet, he claimed cop, said he scum read both of us and instead of explaining afk'd. | ||
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rsoultin hasn't really given ANY scum reads other than me rsoultin said she had a hard on for lynching people she thought was scummy because she likes being correct rsoultin cases me rsoultin asks marv if i'm scum marv says no rsoultin completely drops it and never makes another read again 11 pages, what reads do you remember her making? | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:30 Holyflare wrote: plz rsoultin hasn't really given ANY scum reads other than me rsoultin said she had a hard on for lynching people she thought was scummy because she likes being correct rsoultin cases me rsoultin asks marv if i'm scum marv says no rsoultin completely drops it and never makes another read again 11 pages, what reads do you remember her making? | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:39 milo109 wrote: I don't even think that HtS took my words out of context, and I think his explanation of his lack of progress was reasonable, even though I still think he is scum. That first sentence of the third paragraph is so odd. When I read that I feel like I'm reading a mafia gloating about the fact that he found a genuine logic slip. Except that it doesn't actually make any sense. Even leaving aside the poor wording, mafia can push mafia. It isn't a double standard to believe it possible. That's exactly what I'm saying lol!?!?!??! She scum read me because I was scum reading her and who she was pushing. Then she scum reads me and who I was pushing. It's a silly double standard but it is a contradiction of the thought pattern someone was having. She definitely did take your words out of context: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=109#2163 | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:57 rsoultin wrote: do i really need to be all collegiate again cause that worked so well last time when y'all ignored my scumread on marv that was completely baller for someone who says the above and then writes this post: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote: "you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha" "shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing" not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously? pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with: so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt...especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win again and again has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf On July 07 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote: nh i haven't played as many games with him as you have. but the shitfight thing is a perfect read so far, and it was better than yours in ippo. i dunnae...i'll just sit on it i guess does that look like the equivalent response??? then there's a shit fight about trfel and we get: On July 07 2015 09:38 rsoultin wrote: do you have any clue how frustrating this is? HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA maybe the all-caps will make this get through your thick skulls i'm not fucking defending truffle i'm saying hf is fucking mafia for the way he's approaching this >< whatever i'm not doing this anymore you guys keep being obtuse and then she just talks to me normally right after discussing all the reads?? it's so irrational + Show Spoiler + maybe because she's a woman, probably because she's mafia | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:51 Half the Sky wrote: HF, since you asked.... Pushes ruxxar after that. Is doubting that Damdred is town.... If you're going to argue that she hasn't been memorable that's a different argument I have to filter dive her to look at her other reads besides you.... The only question I have after going through her filter is how/why she drops the ruxxar read for milo. Or rather why she drops the ruxxar read altogether. She talks about ruxxar quite a bit in her filter. And I don't think her read on Damdred was hard scum but she had concerns on it. I don't think I'd lynch her without her talking about that stuff though. yes obviously she has some scum reads but they are based on useless crap like the phrasing of ruxxar's post that isn't even weird in the slightest and meant nothing and that's about it, it's not intuitive of deep at all | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:54 Holyflare wrote: yes obviously she has some scum reads but they are based on useless crap like the phrasing of ruxxar's post that isn't even weird in the slightest and meant nothing and that's about it, it's not intuitive of deep at all + the crazy defences of people | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:37 rsoultin wrote: i really don't care between mz and bm? i also don't really see the difference between the two, though at least bm has been generally more active from what i've seen of him when he's town than this course i don't know if he was active today at all or not @.@ says the person that just played with a solidly afk bm last game | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:46 Harkon wrote: Rsoultin why are you so happy to vote with HF on bm? oh please as if this matters when we need to consolidate | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Fam If I vote BM it will be 10. That said, I fucking hate lurker lynches because they are so easy for scum to slip by on. What makes BM different from me? Has BM done anything scummy in the 60 pages I haven't read? unless you want to die it doesn't matter right now | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote: at this point you should be switching to bm for consolidation regardless | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Like idk why it's such a strange question. I always try to vote for the scummiest person in my mind. A lot of you seem really hesitant to lynch either BM or myself, my question is do any of you actually find BM scummy or are you looking for an easy lynch now that I'm active and lynching me has gotten harder. Why would you willing vote for someone you don't think is scummy. And again, maybe I just haven't gotten to the part where BM acts super scummy yet so if someone would link me I'd be happy. lynching you is not hard, you said something that seemed towny and we switched bm has done nothing ez lurker lynch because nobody has the balls to do a good one | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote: i don't understand why MZ wants to lynch milo in this spot as opposed to if he was mafia and just switches to bm and stfu? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote: We have 14. 98% sure BM flips wanderer though scott scott plzzz why be so mafia why | ||
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Actually no, that's not true. I wanted to lynch her and nobody had the balls and knowing we had to find a better lynch I didn't push it. After mz ninja voted I felt fine about lynching him and thought it was an easy mafia lynch. Like I said, "now mz is a lock can we get back to discussing scum reads now" Then mz posted and I thought it looked towny, nobody had said shit about another wagon and bm claimed (wanderer?) in that other scum game of his. I also said mz's weird defence of bm wouldn't be natural if he was mafia and I still think that. Also happy with his night posts. Don't really care if people dislike me dropping trfel since that's something I don't think I'd ever do as mafia with such convincing evidence. | ||
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On July 08 2015 22:39 milo109 wrote: HtS, I don't actually think I've solved the game. Obviously, I'm probably wrong on a couple people. But this is where I want to look. I have no idea how you still scum read me for a post where I corrected your faulty knowledge and you agreed it was faulty. | ||
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On July 08 2015 22:56 marvellosity wrote: did he though? Well I gave you my reason he looked towny. You just mentioned it. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote: see the thing is, I don't really think HtS is mafia. Neither do i anymore #comeatmeguys | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:06 milo109 wrote: The ability to correct my logic does not prove your alignment either way. No it doesn't but you just said you scum read me for my read on hts being weird and when i explained it you said it made sense so it's no longer weird. Yet, you're still scum reading me for it. | ||
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On July 09 2015 02:23 Half the Sky wrote: Oh where oh where did those ritoky/milo scumreads go Holyflare.... And your desire to "lynch scott tomorrow" seems to have come from his 98% BM comment yet you liked his lists earlier. Same quote where you drop him and try to push Ras which others have pointed out the issue with that. (3 minutes after the lynch) Do you still want to lynch either of Scott or Ras, or one over the other? You don't mention the former at all since that last quote 3m after EoD. Even after Breshke brings him up! Why does it look like you are trying to see what sticks? (still reading through more filters....) so what you're saying is scum holyflare is massively inconsistent and doesn't care who he's pushing? not sure that's ever the case there scott's lists seem good because they were generally aligning with what i was thinking, his end of day post seemed scummy because it did not align with what i was thinking and seemed like one of those posts mafia makes for no reason having slept on it and not really reading him now i say i don't know funny how that works right? ritoky's start of day posts were shit, his middle of day posts weren't bad and his end of day posts weren't awful, he was on my list because i didn't really think of an alternative and i was slightly influenced by what people were saying, don't really care if that's scummy or not but it is what it is my motivation to lynch people was seriously "i don't particularly care who gets lynched at this point because nobody was generally listening to anything i said so who gives a shit" i dunno who i want to lynch atm i'll think about it but effort is like 0 so who really cares | ||
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On July 09 2015 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote: so basically HTS can do anything she wants but as long as she actually answers your questions, even if its like 2 days later, it somehow absolves her of not answering your questions earlier? are you dumb? her posts were shit, her miller thing existed yes but it was at the back of my mind and not really being thought about, i was frustrated with everyone's ignoring of me and so ignored a lot of stuff because of that since i was getting frustrated that no matter what i said people just carried on with doing shit all and talking about cop claims and afk's and how they didn't want to lynch afk's OR even talk about them AT ALL rethinking after sleeping i just go back to the miller thing being something that mafia hts probably doesn't do and yes that's always existed but who cares, her answers also appeased my concerns, it is what it is | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:38 Holyflare wrote: ok while we are afk voting mz can someone please actually fucking converse with me about rsoultin and not give shitty reads that just say "no", nothing even answered anything I asked for On July 08 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote: Like. Ok. I get it. I'm not talking about the context of voting, MZ is the locked lynch right now. I'm talking about her play so far. Let's discuss it like a normal game? | ||
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like trfel's posts say i'm scummy for scum reading him constantly and getting annoyed hts' posts say i'm scummy for not scum reading trfel anymore ^^ make your minds up | ||
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did you think that ignoring my questions would make me back off of my scum read of you? why did you not think it was apt to answer them, where did you think it would lead you? (also i see you're not even town reading trfel lol so nvm about the last point) | ||
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Also he called my push uninspired (lol, whatever that means, I was at it with/on milo all of d1) and said Ras's push on ruxxar was BS but she's been back and forth with him on that. So just how he's scumreading people also was suspect, which is why I chose to look into HF's reasoning for scumreading Ras, because something just didn't seem right. His response to my thoughts on her scumreading Ruxxar and then wanting to push her still was just......ew. this is clearly a bad post since you know EXACTLY why i scum read you for your push on milo because you ANSWERED THE POST WHERE I SAID IT WAS BAD LOL gjweogjweighw you really want me to scum read you like, seriously, you kept saying "oh my push on milo is still strong but i'm waiting for his answers that's why it's not strong now!" but I kept asking why exactly you had 0 input on the questions I kept asking ABOUT milo to EVERYONE, you simply just ignored it. 2 of your scum reads, 1 of them is asking about the other one and you didn't even reevaluate it in the slightest, you ignored it and you didn't use milo's reactions around trfel's case or my posts towards milo in any of your posts at all, you have simply treated it like it was a non entity while saying you still scum read both of us | ||
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On July 09 2015 03:56 Harkon wrote: The way you hardpushed BM over MZ does not fit this explanation at all. you are 100% without a doubt jat, i've explained my motivation for switching to bm actually: MZ appeared and ninja voted, said nothing: On July 08 2015 05:35 Holyflare wrote: hahaha i already forgot about fucking mz ahahaha mass exodus to MZ, don't care about it and expect him to die and want people's opinions on rsoul which they kept ignoring and you shit on for no reason other than she wasn't here to say anything (who cares about that why does that stop you talking about her????) On July 08 2015 05:38 Holyflare wrote: ok while we are afk voting mz can someone please actually fucking converse with me about rsoultin and not give shitty reads that just say "no", nothing even answered anything I asked for On July 08 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote: plz people stop dodging all these sick reads repeatedly On July 08 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote: how about looking at her filter, why does she need to defend herself doing nothing???????????? On July 08 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote: Like. Ok. I get it. I'm not talking about the context of voting, MZ is the locked lynch right now. I'm talking about her play so far. Let's discuss it like a normal game? On July 08 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote: for someone who says the above and then writes this post: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote: "you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha" "shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing" not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously? pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with: so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt...especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win again and again has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf does that look like the equivalent response??? then there's a shit fight about trfel and we get: and then she just talks to me normally right after discussing all the reads?? it's so irrational + Show Spoiler + maybe because she's a woman, probably because she's mafia On July 08 2015 05:54 Holyflare wrote: yes obviously she has some scum reads but they are based on useless crap like the phrasing of ruxxar's post that isn't even weird in the slightest and meant nothing and that's about it, it's not intuitive of deep at all MZ starts to catch up and post, about 5 people before me talk about switching to BM, i'd rather keep the guy that's talking alive instead of the guy that's afk claimed wanderer (which he's done before as mafia) 10/10 times. 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No. It's legitimate. If I say that I dropped my scum read on trfel after calling him mafia all game and give a reason why (his defence looked towny) is that a scummy thing to see? no | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:15 Harkon wrote: Why would anyone want to talk to you about rsoultin when we were trying to find a lynch close to deadline and rsoultin was clearly not getting lynched? You can vomit as many walls in the thread as you want nothing you wrote actually refutes my points against you. Could you have acted like this as town? Sure. Does it look like it? No. mz was locked in as the lynch for his returning and ninja vote don't play dumb it's in my post | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:17 Harkon wrote: I also don't know why you would think MZ would not be posting about milo or in general if he was mafia because that is just retarded. hey fuck wit, if a mafia comes back to the thread and it's between him and bm i think he starts saying stuff about him being town and bm is the better lynch cz bm did this shit as mafia or some variant of that shit to me it looked like he was catching up and giving input and talking about someone that was never getting lynched looked ok to me (read: towny)... you know, like i wrote in my post it's quite easy to see | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:21 Harkon wrote: If you can call his last post which you said looked towny to you a defence... And yes, even if HTS townreads Trfel it is perfectly reasonable to scumread you for dropping him like this. Her read on Trfel is absolutely irrelevant for this. and i don't care, it makes sense to QUESTION someone about it but not use it as a scum read if that question has been answered | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:19 Holyflare wrote: 2) Scott31337 (filter) 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 6) Vivax (filter) 7) Bill Murray (filter) 8) ritoky (filter) 11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) 17) milo109 (filter) 19) Oatsmaster (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 22) Half The Sky (filter) I think I do want to remove scott too maybe... his list post just made me feel good bolded i would lynch today probably and the rest is because i'm being super lazy and just not reading to get a better idea of I mean my list hasn't been that bad after all: 2) Scott31337 (filter) 3) WaveofShadow (filter) 6) Vivax (filter) 8) ritoky (filter) 11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) (potentially damdred, can't rely on his depressed post forever, potentially trfel i'll talk with people about him after this mz stuff) On July 09 2015 05:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Apathy is different from just straight fucking off lol, come on you're being obtuse now, do I have to explain it? Apathy means milo doesn't really care about his claim and he's just throwing it out there. He knows it will save him so he just throws it out there. Fucking off (a very technical english term) means he's not even in the thread, he's not reading. Does it look like milo doesn't care when he posts all these posts tonight? They've been bad but it looks like he really believes them (you know there's a theory that milo knows mz might flip mafia that i'm getting major conspiracy vibes on now that mz has posted this stuff). Ritoky HAS been reading the thread you know, he posts something about the thread each time he returns? | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:27 Harkon wrote: On which wagon? I was basically forced to vote BM since you eroded the MZ wagon so heavily that we would have nolynched if I didn't. Please point out where I eroded it so hard. IIRC about 6 people were saying to switch to BM before I even said anything. I didn't even force the push onto him that hard rather than a "oh everyone is switching so we may as well get it solidly switched instead of force a no lynch" On July 08 2015 06:37 Harkon wrote: I can also lynch BM but the people suddenly defending MZ have me raising my eyebrows. You say you were forced to switch but you are the one that just butt budied marv and were open to switching anyway, so why are you seemingly so hard done by it when it was a toss up and you didn't really care anyway? There's 25 people in this game so unless you think that mafia were defending MZ it doesn't really make sense. You also never point out these people defending MZ "so hard" at all. Regardless, it doesn't even matter. Point out where I pushed for the lynch. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:52 Harkon wrote: An accusation like this has failed spectacularly recently. You know not all cases are the same JAT, stop playing silly. It also doesn't hurt to entertain the idea either. Exploring all possibilities is never bad. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:54 milo109 wrote: Sigh. I think MZ is a much better lynch. I'm here to switch as need be though. On July 08 2015 06:57 milo109 wrote: Okay well. Since my vote isn't needed I'm staying on policy. On July 08 2015 07:03 milo109 wrote: Pls shoot MX On July 08 2015 07:30 milo109 wrote: Anyone who thinks I was joking is insane. That switch was orchestrated. MZ is so obviously mafia just based on his posts... See. I like information. I mean if we take these posts in their context. Why does he think the way he does? It's super sure and in their bubble really out there for a newbie to be super sure of someone that just seems to be posting content. Not only does it look like TMI but compared with his defence of Trfel earlier it looks pretty odd at how resolute he looks at pushing his points forward. His orchestrated point doesn't even include the people that actually orchestrated the switch (he misses out geript for instance). He wasn't even particularly interested in exploring ritoky's claim the entire game to be honest when you should at least be pretty damn wary of someone claiming your role, even if it is slightly different. On July 08 2015 11:41 milo109 wrote: It's / as if to signify either one. Geript could be mafia. Can we lynch MZ first and confirm my crazy hypothesis? Once that is done, future steps can be taken. It's like "yes i'm so right let's lynch him so i can just obviously push this list and my agenda", that's what it seems like to me. The stuff that gives me hesitance is the mini "cases" he makes afterwards, although they are pretty awkwardly worded (and he totally misreads what mz said about the cop claims, a recurring theme!). I'd totally like him to explain the rest of his reads to be honest. Those little sentences didn't say anything. | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death. Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on kelsier/breshke/obi Kelsier says some things that make sense but is wildly different from kelsier from last game, he has a lot of pointless one liners but I think he was kinda towny at the start of the game and has somewhat fallen off a bit but I still think he might be town. Breshke said some towny stuff imo although I don't really remember any of his posts anymore. The only thing that sticks out in my mind is his town read of rsoultin which seemed really well reasoned out. <-- probably need to re-evaluate but I don't really think off my head he looked bad at all obi seems a bit try hard which is potentially worrying but he hasn't really said anything egregious and it all seems pretty thought out and reasoned from what i remember. | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:31 milo109 wrote: You people. I come up with a list of scum, and you call it ridiculous because it rests on MZ being scum. And then MZ does some very idiotic posts, and you all says, 'Oh. I think he is scum. Well... Milo can't possibly have seen this before me.. He must be scum too.' The key being "and then he does scummy posts". | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:56 rsoultin wrote: so i'm here and if anyone wants me to bug me about anything before day phase i'll answer i have nothing new though and am kind of in an eh mood for reasons outside the game so...yeah. fair warning A list of actual reads plz | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:23 milo109 wrote: Alright. I figured out the game. The mafia team is: MZ HF LS Scott Rsoultin/Damdred This is in order of certainty. When I flip, remember remember the seventh of July. Was wondering why damdy popped up here | ||
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if only people read my filter more that'd help! On July 10 2015 01:22 Clarity_nl wrote: Do you bring this up because you think it makes her scum, or do you just have a fragile ego? both because what has rsoultin done this entire game? who are her scum reads? nobody knows and she just keeps mentioning me and if you actually read stuff i was saying there's no way you can come to this conclusion (unless you're madly paranoid) that i am mafia when the mafia team is likely damd/milo/mz who I was pretty much saying was the team the whole night and my poe has been slowly getting there the whole time and why does she even think i'm mafia? because my vote was on milo? did anyone bother to ask why it was on milo? I mean.... he's pretty much mafia anyway and if it was before the track was claimed so really she's scum reading me for scum reading mafia ^_^! coupled with what i've been trying to say all game about her (her pretty much only scum read day 1 was me which she dropped super easily when marv said so and her only other real prominent scum read being ruxxar for.... his wording on a post (which by the way is complete bull shit for the queen of tone reads to read ruxxar scum when she was playing with him last game and he was a stone statue of stoicism and she was the only one to think otherwise?) i don't buy it at all, she hasn't done shit this game when usually she's at the forefront of everything and she features in milo's list with damdred/rsoultin really awkwardly for no reason whatsoever | ||
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On July 10 2015 02:54 rsoultin wrote: this post you were still on milo you'd seen harkon's claim besides which, hf, i never dropped the scumread on you...i backed off when you actually said something REMOTELY intelligent about your scumread on truffle that could actually make him scum...not hard-pushing you is pure pragmatism, and i still failed at it anyway cause i have a hard time letting bs just sit in thread...personality flaw of mine also lol @ no reads. it's like you didn't read my post during the night phase or the very one you're criticizing. keep it up ^^ "this post" is clearly a response to jat and it literally says it's very unlikely??? Who cares where i move my vote when the entire game is on damdred lol. Such pointless effort and such a crap post from you. You may argue i didn't move it after the claim but that's because i was weighing up the options and hadn't really posted at all since then. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:00 boxerfred wrote: Or, I might be town who's simply giving his train of thoughts to contribute and let others try to hop on ideas that I might be bringing up. Yes you might also be town? I just don't like that post. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:02 Holyflare wrote: Yes you might also be town? I just don't like that post. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:06 boxerfred wrote: Why don't you like a post where I'm going after the person that you vote? Should I follow thread sentiment instead? Like I said. I don't like it because it's a wall of text where you waste time explaining stuff just to cancel it out in one paragraph. Mafia like to do that to appear like they are contrubuting. Especially when you are rehashing things that are obvious and already said. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:10 milo109 wrote: I have no reason to be reasonable in this game. My fate is out of my hands, and that is quite frustrating. If BH put two roleblockers in the setup, I'm most likely dead. If he didn't then I can play the game. I'll leave a legacy if I die, but it will probably be ignored. Why don't you comprehend 2 rb's but you're quite fine to contemplate 2 cops? | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Because damdred visited ritoky, silly goose and mafia damdred the framer could frame mafia ritoky the cop and ritoky just claims rb? ~_~ not an absurd theory | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:17 milo109 wrote: Here we go again: Town Marvellosity geript ritoky Breshke Oatsmaster Damdred Mafia Scott31337 Holyflare boxerfred Clarity/MZ One of the many others. People I can't read because they play.. oddly rsoultin LightningStrike you've never even really explained your scum reads explain your one on me | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:21 milo109 wrote: I've had you scum since Day 1. I hate the way you're playing. Honestly, you seem easy to read as scum to me. Maybe I'm wrong and you're town and you appear more towny as a scum player. You've been trying to push the conspiracy worlds of me being Mafia even if Damdred is town. Obviously if Damdred flips framer then we lynch Ritoky. But that is like a .1% percent chance. It would be mildly good for town. No, that's not true you only read me as scum for pushing hts in an odd way: HF is weird. You're weird. LS is weird. Rsoultin is weird. Who knows if that is mafia indicative or not? On July 08 2015 03:52 milo109 wrote: I want to lynch ten people. Damdred Scott Ritoky HF HtS Clarity Kelsier LS Rsoul Vaxx(whatever his name is) Hopefully I might be able to narrow that down a little. On July 08 2015 05:39 milo109 wrote: I don't even think that HtS took my words out of context, and I think his explanation of his lack of progress was reasonable, even though I still think he is scum. That first sentence of the third paragraph is so odd. When I read that I feel like I'm reading a mafia gloating about the fact that he found a genuine logic slip. Except that it doesn't actually make any sense. Even leaving aside the poor wording, mafia can push mafia. It isn't a double standard to believe it possible. which you misunderstood and i corrected here: On July 08 2015 05:44 milo109 wrote: o.O I missed that. Alright. I agree that my plan to burn you all is still correct. you then continued to scum read me even though the one point you scum read me on didn't exist anymore, it doesn't make sense in the slightest. You then proceeded to use extortionate amounts of tmi to throw scummy accusations at me for switching off of MZ who was actually never in your list to begin with and then you were so godly sure he was mafia. It also doesn't make sense that you have all of my day 1 mafia reads pretty much in your list and then proceed to say today that "i play such an obvious way as mafia". That shouldn't be what you are thinking in your mind at all. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote: I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs less than 0% chance but probably like 5% | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:30 milo109 wrote: Wait wait wait. If he is fake claiming a hit and Damdred is JK I'm like confirmed town. Get outta here. I'm not scum if Damdred flips scum and scum if Damdred flips town. if damdred flips town you've been projecting it 24/7 but you completely exclude the brackets where i say you could be town in this situation anyway and you think i'm mafia so who gives a shit | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:33 milo109 wrote: How is this the best player who has ever played on the site. O.o This is such an anti-town phrase. Down with people who refute arguments with well you're wrong on me. who cares if it's an anti town phrase, you should be responding to my post where i point out your blatant lies to the thread | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:38 ritoky wrote: He is talking about the world where you're mafia knowing a save happened on marv or me and since no save notifications you made wifom play and claimed vet who got shot. Low % world that is unlikely, but possible. ohh you mean save notifications for non vets okkkk | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:38 milo109 wrote: Is anyone else reading this? You said even if Damdred flipped town I 'could' be town, but it would be 'super unlikely'. Thus, it is super likely I am scum if Damdred flips town. Stop screaming everytime I even mention a problem in what you say. Whether or not you're town or mafia, it makes discussing points unpleasant. You know what's unpleasant? Knowing you're 100% mafia and having to listen to you write all of these posts that require responding to. Dispute the case that I just presented to you. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:41 milo109 wrote: There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement. There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense. You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:44 milo109 wrote: The fun of this game is being able to argue your point of view out over those you think are scum. Not using hyperbole and hysterics to attempt to derail any conversation. You can't know I'm 100% mafia, because I'm not. Even if you were cop and had a red check on me, you still could not be certain due to the framer. So do me and the rest of town a favor and be willing to consider that 1% .1% chance that I'm town. actually I can and do but carry on responding to me | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:50 milo109 wrote: Unless we are mafia partners or you are cheating, there is no way to know 100%. what if i told you i was cheating and know you're mafia? | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:51 Harkon wrote: When did I ever shut you down from scumreading milo? What the fuck does rsoultin have to do with this? Keep being unreasonable it will surely make me townread you. started pushing the milo tmi situation which is true and you decide that citing the last game where that happened would be apt instead of discussing it, pushed rsoultin and you decided that just because you were afk you couldn't talk about her at all in the slightest even though mz was ninja voting and the wagon was decided bla bla, i dislike playing with you for exactly these reasons because it happens every game and you're boring to play with because of it | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:48 milo109 wrote: I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game. No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI. Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:55 Harkon wrote: So bringing up an example where a case like yours was wrong is shutting you down now? Interesting. Currently you are the one who is unbearable. You should know better than one event of it happening does not mean some other person doing it in another game in completely different circumstances means the same thing. Yet, whenever I post something you disagree with it's instant shit all over everything. "oh what's the point of this", "oh yeh that's shit", "oh no go look for yourself", "oh gosh you're unbearable", "oh look let that guy bus". | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:01 milo109 wrote: There is no confusion because this entire game has been about whether or not the claims are real. And I know that I am real. Also, obviously the switch off of MZ was suspicious. I tried to freaking lynch him. Read my past posts if you want to know why it was suspicious. I'm off to make a case on Scott. How on earth was it suspicious in the slightest? MZ starts posting, Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past. Why is that suspicious and don't you dare just say go check my past posts. Re-answer this if you have already because I don't see anything suspicious about it in the slightest. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:30 Holyflare wrote: plz rsoultin hasn't really given ANY scum reads other than me rsoultin said she had a hard on for lynching people she thought was scummy because she likes being correct rsoultin cases me rsoultin asks marv if i'm scum marv says no rsoultin completely drops it and never makes another read again 11 pages, what reads do you remember her making? On July 08 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote: for someone who says the above and then writes this post: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote: "you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha" "shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing" not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously? pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with: so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt...especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win again and again has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf does that look like the equivalent response??? then there's a shit fight about trfel and we get: and then she just talks to me normally right after discussing all the reads?? it's so irrational + Show Spoiler + maybe because she's a woman, probably because she's mafia On July 08 2015 05:54 Holyflare wrote: yes obviously she has some scum reads but they are based on useless crap like the phrasing of ruxxar's post that isn't even weird in the slightest and meant nothing and that's about it, it's not intuitive of deep at all ^ the above is weird because how can anyone that played with ruxxar last game say that ruxxar is mafia this game and she is the person that prides herself on shitty tone reads | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:11 milo109 wrote: That it would be organized and happen to so quickly. MZ was acting odd by not wanting to lynch BM. Why? Nobody seemed to ask that question. BM didn't even try to defend himself. How is that more mafia than what MZ had done? BM had CLAIMED A ROLE. Why would you lynch him first? why do you ignore the part of the post that explains why people would lynch bm for claiming a role and ask why we would lynch bm for claiming a role? Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past Why is it suspicious that MZ doesn't want to lynch BM in the slightest? Like your whole argument is that "It's totally suspicious that mz doesn't want to lynch bm! you guys are scummy for wanting to lynch bm!" if you're talking about logic good sir, that has 0 of it | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Holyflare if you are town could you stop arguing/get mad at people you think are very likely scum? If you are scum, carry on. i can't help it, i'm really in a bad mood and whenever i post something someone else does some silly shit or calls me mafia and it just puts me right back in that bad mood i want an actual game of people that listen to things i contribute or at least converse with me about why they are wrong or right but instead it's little quips or just flat out ignoring or calling me scummy or just hard defending the person i'm bringing up points on while shit fighting with me | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:16 milo109 wrote: Here. I will make this very simple. If you are town and there is a obvious choice between you and one other person, you always try to switch to them. You know why? You -know- you are town. You might think they are the towniest person on the planet, but there is still the chance that they are mafia. Unless you're cheating of course. nah this is bull shit you scum read everyone for wanting to switch to bm you scum read mz for wanting to not switch to bm now you scum read scott for wanting to stay on mz ^^ ok dude | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Ok I'm gonna just say this once HF, apparently you're a smart guy so you'll get this, are you ready? IF THEY ARE SCUM, THEN THERE IS NO REASON TO GET MAD AT THEM FOR DOING SCUMMY THINGS OR DUMB THINGS. WHY ARE YOU MAD AT YOUR SCUMREADS. Okay? I know you're typing it and I already know that argument. It doesn't stop it happening and I don't know they are scum either. It's also people that are towny that are doing it too. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:19 milo109 wrote: OK now you're over simplifying. We'll get there. I scum read everyone for wanting to switch to BM because he was a bad choice. I scum read MZ for not switching to BM because he was the only choice. And I scum read Scott for it because of the contradiction in his own words. so why do you completely bypass my original post all over again: how is BM a bad choice when he's done the exact same thing as mafia before | ||
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Nobody even talked about rsoul even though ritoky asked and i presented a case? | ||
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Then look at the other case on me based on how she treats her read on me d1 compared to what she was saying about me. Then ask yourself how her only other scum read can be ruxxar yesterday after last game | ||
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On July 10 2015 10:53 milo109 wrote: What discussion? I agree that rsoultin needs to be considered. By the time we have the next lynch, we will have much more information though. Yes well I don't like to play with "considering". I specifically want to talk about all her gameplay that she has already done. People flipping mafia won't change that. | ||
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This probably makes one chunk of it easier to read. Her treating of me is extremely strange considering how mafia she thinks I am. Did you read her case on me today ritoky? | ||
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On July 09 2015 21:49 Holyflare wrote: Well yes there is lol. Damdred rb stacks with mafia rb and milo is mafia but yes quite unlikely. Her whole mini case is because I'm voting milo over damdred?? On July 10 2015 02:54 rsoultin wrote: this post you were still on milo you'd seen harkon's claim besides which, hf, i never dropped the scumread on you...i backed off when you actually said something REMOTELY intelligent about your scumread on truffle that could actually make him scum...not hard-pushing you is pure pragmatism, and i still failed at it anyway cause i have a hard time letting bs just sit in thread...personality flaw of mine also lol @ no reads. it's like you didn't read my post during the night phase or the very one you're criticizing. keep it up ^^ And she's making it based on a hypothetical lol?? Clearly the hypothetical even implies damdred is not likely town anyway. | ||
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Her d1 scum read of ruxxar (queen of tone reads scum reading this guy after last game is baaaaaaaaad) is based on the phrasing of one post. Her scum read on me is for nothing that I even can comprehend because she keeps pushing useless stuff like it means something?? And That Is All Her Scum reads Lolololol | ||
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On July 10 2015 11:17 ritoky wrote: Alright so your scum read is from her being wrong on you and making her arguments up, her having sudden tonal shifts that make no sense (screaming 1 second then entertaining your thoughts as town the next), and her arguing for the sake of arguing rather than for a point. I know it is a drastic over-simplification but is that the jist of the case? Yup. Not just scum reads on me though. Scum read on ruxxar is impossible after last game. There is no way she can think he's mafia. That's pretty much it yeh. | ||
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On July 10 2015 12:02 milo109 wrote: rsoul Sigh. Town. Hate myself Breshke Sigh. Town kelsier Sigh. Town waveofshadow mafialean vivax mafialean boxer Mafia trfel town So rsoul is in your mafia list day 1 Rsoul afk's all day 2 and presents a wifom bomb post and afk's more and you are sigh town?? | ||
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On July 10 2015 12:12 ritoky wrote: @HF: your vote is not on damdred last i checked, why? are you considering if he could be town making some derp plays or is it more to do with milo being more mafia? Because there's already a majority and it's irrelevant | ||
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On July 10 2015 14:17 Breshke wrote: And i thought HF and rsoultin shitfights were tedious . HF arguing with milo who is confirmed scum/getting lynched anyway probably tops it. Anything important last 10 pages? Milo isn't confirmed scum | ||
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Then I'm seriously not going to give a crap and will just treat her as confirmed town no matter what anyone says ever. You don't even look at her filter while spewing nonsense jat it's so tedious. | ||
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On July 10 2015 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote: This mimics my thoughts completely. HF, every time you go "waah no one pays attention to me and rsoultin is scum and waaaaaaah" the thread does dumb things for like 10 pages and the fact that you've repeated this cycle a good five times is ridiculous to me. Like we get it, you think rsoultin is scum. I've spent a lot of energy on other things today and I'm not lynching rsoultin d2 or d3 soooooo. Your posts won't get deleted, I can come back to them. What I'm wondering is if you could keep this up at scum, just constantly be the bitchy moany type. Honestly I've just been glancing over you and rsoultin. But at least you have thoughts about actual current affairs while rsoultin seems locked in the past and has no thoughts about the goings on. She keeps talking about her read on trfel for whatever reason and it's just all blah. How about every time you wanna post about rsoultin you do it in a notepad and tomorrow or whenever you can regurgitate the entire thing in one post, yes? Look. I don't care if you're doing any other thing. There's nothing else to do today but vote damdred. The least people can do is try and find more mafia. I know I'm moaning but that's genuinely because I have good reasons to scum read someone and you say I'm wasting 10 pages but it literally takes up 1 post to requote my case. Ritoky has talked about it and summed it up pretty nicely. You say you agree with marv but that's literally what I've been saying this entire time. How can someone that is so egotistical and loves how all her reads are always right have me as mafia and instantly drop it when marv says he had an 80% town read and she says her scum read is better and how on earth can anyone scum read ruxxar. Maybe it's because you didn't read himalayas but he's very very different. How long has she had those scum reads? The entire game. It doesn't fit with an rsoultin that badgers people constantly to find stuff out and get her way. Even though she says afk excuses she wasn't afk day 1 and that is when her play was entirely mediocre. | ||
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Your scum read on ruxxar was based on the wording of his one post which I told yoh was bad. It didn't make sense at all. You still kept bringing it up. Now it's changed to "being a hf parrot" but he isn't at all he actually took his time to go back and rethink through the whole situation. It was very good. It makes perfect sense since im accusing you of the exact same thing. You aren't similar at all, like my summary says. Either way if you're going to be around I'll leave the thread. Cya. | ||
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like, i do not get how you can think like this as town, or how you can say lolol you mafia, not gonna reconsider ever, concede bitch to truffle and then call that questioning him -_- I mean i think everyone in this game knows i make fake cases or fake pressure on people at the start of the game to get reactions and make them do things. It's not exactly strange and i did already explain this and you agreed and now you bring it up again. Anyway. Last Post :p | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:55 Half the Sky wrote: This is pretty much the simular thing that went down in Holy Guardians he was hard defending the scummy townies in Chocolate and Templar who both eventually got mislynched because they were legitimately playing scummy. No one picked up on it that game. TMI is the pattern here. So why did you ignore the question when i was asking about milo defending trfel? :s I mean like... You never even acknowledged it and you're telling me you knew this all along and didn't say anything about it when it's his mafia meta to do exactly what i was saying? :s:s | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote: I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread. I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante. If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky. I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her? Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum: Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him. For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting. Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind. Does this post align with what's happened this game? His comparisons are just based on anger but when he includes gameplay (such as guardians of the galaxy) he says i'm angry but i drop things despite objectively having no reason to. Yet, he should be able to see if he was reading the thread that i've done that several times (especially on him??) which should fit with stuff that he thinks is my town meta. Furthermore, it seems like his post doesn't even realise that I wasn't scum reading him anymore since it states stuff like "if he's so sure why is he treating me this way" but doesn't acknowledge that I'm not actually reading him that way any more. + Show Spoiler + I don't even know what i'm concluding from this but i'd like to know if he was actually caught up when writing this post because if he has this is pretty scummy. | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:10 Half the Sky wrote: I could be wrong but may have been the time I had you on ignore. I had been scum reading milo for other reasons anyhow through d1. you are a mean person | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:24 milo109 wrote: Fine. I'll vote for myself on the condition that if I flip two-shot cop, you lynch HF and if he flips red you lynch boxer. uhh huh? | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:25 Harkon wrote: You backing off in the end doesn't invalidate his point though. Trfel is no beacon of townyness but this is still easily his best post. Yes it does. It fits exactly with what he calls me town for. Being angry just means nothing. | ||
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On July 11 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote: Mainly HF being mad at rsoultin over points about Tfrel early on about the way Tfrel acts and how rsoultin came to a different conclusion about Tfrel than him and they kept arguing about for a good portion of Day 1 and the Night Phase. She right on one thing about HF: He been mainly sniping at Tfrel. I'm sorry what? How have I just been sniping at trfel? I brought up legitimate points against him multiple times. | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:58 marvellosity wrote: didn't buy his umming and ahhing on BM when he came back his treatment of milo/ritoky made zero sense. i explained this very well tbh. angry scummy ad hom at me his posts are literally written in red The milo/ritoky disparity is what convinced me. Then led onto milo looking like he has far too much information from scum reading MZ and everything around it. | ||
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AND i'm pretty sure he scum reads milo today but the majority of the reason WE scum read milo is because of tmi in regards to mz which means he's STICKING to that same scum read that you've written there despite ritoky being the same STILL. | ||
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If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance. I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me. | ||
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On July 11 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote: Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me. If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance. I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me. I mean even if you look at my "arguments" with milo (who is not actually confirmed mafia, his posts don't actually sound too bad sometimes) they are constantly bringing up valid points about his stances not matching up to what he's said previously. Arguably, I've been doing a lot of work while people just chill out and say they'll do stuff tomorrow instead. On July 11 2015 03:01 Harkon wrote: The thing is that you were insulting and shitting on players way before being ignored. And yes, I would say being overly emotional like this is alignment indicative for you. That's not the case at all. When did I shit on players d1? I simply made an exaggerated case on Trfel to get his posts actually started and when they didn't it was a bit frustrating while another player hard defended him and kept throwing accusations my way instead. Another player that claimed miller ignored me for scum reading her with valid points? You didn't even respond to my other points on people at deadline when a lynch was already locked in. You disregarded my points on milo which are seemingly entirely valid now. Like 2 people have even talked about my rsoultin posts and all in the mean time people just keep idly saying i'm mafia because i'm annoyed. I think it's totally justified. Please. If you think emotion is indicative then make a case because I certainly would love to hear it. If you think i'm mafia and don't really give a shit then i'd ask that you just keep me in a list and refrain from mentioning me until you actually want to lynch me. It would be helpful if everyone did that actually because then I feel I could be far more productive (and please respond when I post something) | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote: I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread. I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante. If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky. I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her? Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum: Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him. For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting. Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind. Let's start with the bolded. If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct? I'm pretty sure I cased him, rsoul, hts, milo etc etc etc. So, even though I was angry at HtS and Rsoul I was still scum hunting. It's irrefutable. Then, what else is contained in that read? The dropping of reads for objectively little reason which I'm also pretty sure I did multiple times (him, hts at night but that's after this post, wave clearly disappeared from my first list, etc etc.) My list posts have been updated pretty constantly all throughout day 1. So. How can he even make this read if he has been reading the thread? I don't think i've been throwing suspicion at everyone either, sure I've been argumentative with my town reads but anger is just a thing that gets displaced onto other people. The next paragraph after that, yes I've been angry a lot but if I've dropped my town read of Trfel why does he assume he's confirmed mafia to me? He can't, it doesn't make sense. You cannot even say that I haven't been trying to point out why he's mafia to people. That's legitimately just not true in the slightest. I've been getting into fights with rsoul because I've been trying to point out scummy things and questioning them. I even made a case on his read not existing beforehand and appearing magically and then never featuring in his read on LS in the slightest here: On July 07 2015 10:50 Holyflare wrote: also NONE OF THIS CONTAINS ANY RESPONSE ABOUT LS' READ ON RITOKY LOL so, trfel's case is based on everything earlier and what did he say earlier? everything after does not change because of his response to ritoky, nothing is different So how on earth does it look like i've not been trying to show people he's mafia? It doesn't he's simply just posting things to attempt to blend in. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: HF are you actually gonna defend milo? after calling him mafia the entire game? clearly no I'm just not treating him as confirmed mafia as everyone else seems to be | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Newsflash not every post scum makes is scummy. It's not. Be emotional that's fine. But you are very often shitting up the thread and burying important shit with your whining. You are doing this consistently. Town can definitely do this but only when they are bad. Are you bad? No one else seems to think so. So you're pushing a scum agenda in that way, and it worries me. I have looked into rsoultin just not very deeply yet, there's really no rush on it at the moment. I'd rather someone on my list do something useful so I can strengthen my reads. But townies are saying "fuck it we know the lynch so I'm afk" which allows scum to hide in that group of people. Off the top of your head what emotional shitting up the thread did I do today. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Holyflare&page=21 read my filter from the end of the night to now and tell me where it looks like i've been intentionally shitting things up instead of trying to solve the game? | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:34 Clarity_nl wrote: You're bringing up every little point against you, blowing it out of proportion and then defending yourself. For example, your previous post is not you saying trfel is scum as much as it's saying "I am town", something that really doesn't matter at this stage. As much as you may disagree with trfel's post, I think it's a good post. He has a good point about you yelling at people you are scumreading which doesn't make much sense from a townie perspective. Anger is very easy to throw around as scum. You can act all angry and come in and out of the thread, you get people to ignore what you're saying and make them rather not go through the mess you've left behind. No where in his post do I see him saying you did not scumhunt d1, this is a total strawman. No. This is pretty much trfel's only constructed post of the game, what else is there to go on when he doesn't post? I'm not defending myself as town although that is a byproduct but is certainly not my intention. I'm asking how he can possibly believe this to be true if he is reading the thread. You say i'm yelling at scum reads and that's his point but literally in the same bolded part of the post he says I was yelling at my SCUM READ alakaslam in guardians of the galaxy as TOWN. What is the difference here? I yell at scum reads because of the simple fact that I do not know whether they are mafia or not. He even says it. Right there in the bolded. Also, please respond to my linked thing. I think you'll find it quite enlightening that your posts complaining about me are not actually true. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:43 Harkon wrote: Yeah, basically this. Thanks for saving me the effort. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting. This is where he says it get's in the way. If i'm able to make cases on 5 people and poe my list down to about 7 people then I think i'm doing pretty well in terms of scum hunting. How is it a strawman in the slightest? Arguing simply just did not inhibit my ability to scum read people at all. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Does town HF really care this much about some not really that important scumreads on him? I dont think so. Look. I don't get it. You all see this as defending myself perhaps because i've been a whiny bitch. I don't really give a crap about that at this point. I'm trying to point out scummy people and putting in the work to point them out at the moment. If you consider that defending myself then sure. I'll keep on doing that. I'm certainly not concerned about Trfel of all people scum reading me but I am concerned at how he can write that post in the way he did when it is a false representation of this game. It is scummy. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:47 Clarity_nl wrote: You're right Holy you haven't been shitting up shit during d2 all that much, I don't see how that means anything at the moment. Do you think trfel is scum? Like the post you're deconstructing seems reasonable to me, I agree that he hasn't done much of anything since but does that make him scum? Dno. This is what I've been getting at. because you keep referencing me shitting up the thread when I put in work and it's pretty demotivating to me to keep seeing this when as you can see for yourself I'm actually doing things I do think trfel is scum again. I don't believe he goes on this long doing absolutely nothing. The one thing that made me not scum read him was his defence post because I thought he'd be following it up later and that would be the start of something new. It hasn't been at all. I mean you say it's reasonable but can you cut out quotes from the post and point out exactly what's reasonable about it? | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:52 Oatsmaster wrote: you literally are defending yourself, I dont care what skin you try and dress it up as. Yes. In this respect in the Trfel case calling him scum relies on pointing out that the reads he is making is false. How else do you go about that without pointing out the places where those things occur or do not occur? You can't. Why is defending myself in this respect scummy if it points out that his post is scummy? | ||
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Do you think this is helpful to just keep pointing out things and posting one liners to agree? Why can't you do your own work and actually converse with me and find out my alignment for a change. All these interjections of "lol bus", "lol defence", "totally scummy" don't really help with someone who has been getting clearly aggravated by it does it? Why is defending myself to point out someone's scummy post is fabricated scummy? | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Because there isnt any need to defend yourself. I can quote like 5 points in your last page of filter where you defend yourself. you are phrasing your points more towards "I made this case earlier, you guys have been misrepresenting me", rather than, "trfel is mafia, this is why..." SO how do I deconstruct his only other post in this thread and call him mafia then? There is literally no other way possible unless I prove it's false. | ||
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On July 11 2015 07:11 geript wrote: I was right there with you | ||
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On July 11 2015 07:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yes indeed I gathered as much. However town wave looks much different than this in my experience. I'm trying to understand geripts meta read. I also agree with it. It's much to not give a shit. I mean he just played like that exact way in the last game too as town? | ||
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On July 11 2015 08:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wasn't in the last game with wave so I wouldn't know. Damdred's filter, while a very interesting read, didn't really sway me one way or another on wave. However if there are multiple people stepping up to meta defend wave I guess we can work through vivax and Scott first. I town read scott kinda. And sort of vivax too lololol | ||
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Either way to answer your question my semi town read is scott is based on his list post. It ticked all the right boxes at the time and i don't really care that it's wishy washy I would be incredibly impressed if he had that list as mafia. Only gripe I had was the ritoky read he gave in it though. Just because i read some people on solving the game doesn't mean it applies to everyone either. | ||
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Scott's post was ego stroking how? His list appeared at a time where i didn't exactly make my thoughts known and it's pretty hard to conjure up a list like that if you're mafia since it was far too accurate. Even all the little quips about people. | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:46 rsoultin wrote: don't obstruct me, please. i'm actually in a good mood right now, and blaming your damdy read on me when i was saying i didn't feel good about him this game...all game...just looks a lot like you're trying to shift blame how is conjuring up a "far too accurate" list townie? how do you know it's accurate? like really >< i mean i think it's pretty obvious how it's ego-stroking when he was sheeping several of your reads I'm not obstructing you in the slightest and thats extremely backhanded of you. You mentioned i should be less trusting of ego stroking which means my reads are wrong. Yet my list so far has been pretty damn accurate indeed. So your ego stroking point has no substance in reality and was pointless. You have admitted in this thread that you did not read damdred at all and were 100 pages behind so there is no way that you should be able to know he posted it anyway. Regardless, i am showing you how extremely amazing at this game i am that i can both argue and bitch and whine and get angry while solving the entire game and thus ego stroking plays no part in my reads. My scott read has nothing to do with ego stroking in the slightest since its his little quips and add ons to people that i never mentioned that speak more to me. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:00 rsoultin wrote: complete null. he hasn't played. i'd say scum but i know he takes pride in his scum game so eh -_- maybe he fell down a hole somewhere. it's been days Did you not just see him put the same effort into a game you are co hosting and he was town? | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote: Kelsier says some things that make sense but is wildly different from kelsier from last game, he has a lot of pointless one liners but I think he was kinda towny at the start of the game and has somewhat fallen off a bit but I still think he might be town. Breshke said some towny stuff imo although I don't really remember any of his posts anymore. The only thing that sticks out in my mind is his town read of rsoultin which seemed really well reasoned out. <-- probably need to re-evaluate but I don't really think off my head he looked bad at all obi seems a bit try hard which is potentially worrying but he hasn't really said anything egregious and it all seems pretty thought out and reasoned from what i remember. Not much changed since n1 read of him and not bothered to reread him so no idea really | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote: instead of mocking me, because i actually do explain my tonereads when asked, why is it so difficult for you to point out which descriptions you liked in his list? this isn't a hard question. it's like literally the only reason you're townreading him, is it not? Holy fucking shit this is the most pointless exercise in existence. I liked the fact that he pointed out all the little things like milo town reading 3 ppl etc stc. I liked his little intuitive rsoul deflecting shit. I don't remember off the top of my head what exactly gave me warm fuzzy feelings because it was 10,000 pages ago. It aligned with my thoughts in absolutely every way but ritoky. That's absolutely all i remember about it. Go read the game because this is downright pointless since you don't trust me and you don't like my read on scott either. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:18 Vivax wrote: That list by scott has the interesting point that he accuses me of defending Trfel but at the same time posts something about him that says absoluely nothing about his alignment. The "that was crap but he can be not crap" stuff. I don't see how that's interesting since your defence was incredibly scummy. You said "oh he posted more than j remember i don't want to vote him" yet the scum read was because he posted a lot but said nothing. Hence your defence was scummy even if trfel was not to him. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:25 Vivax wrote: Well you can fuck off first of all with this cause when I was ready to vote for him you magically lost interest and now you make it an issue again. Funny how time changes things isn't it? I don't see how this reaction is warranted in any way either since I'm talking about Scott's post and you've somehow made it about my independent trfel read. I scum read trfel for reasons. You jumped on the wagon. You then read trfel's filter and said you wouldn't lynch him because of the same reasons i wanted to lynch him in the first place. It was pretty scummy. It's a good read and has nothing to do with trfel's alignment. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:36 Vivax wrote: Changing opinion cause I saw something that made me think he might start playing properly isn't scummy. I missed his second page at first, and that's where he started posting some reads. It's disingenuous to say that is how it happened in the thread though. In the thread i was saying he had posted a lot and said nothing, his reads didn't make sense and his questions expected no answers. Then you entered and said after voting him he posted more stuff than you realised. The thread collectively looked at you with a giant wtf and said then you should scum read him more for posting more than you thought and it still being nonsense. I don't think you elaborated it was about his reads. Anyway, this is about scott's post and that is why it makes sense. Everything he wrote was on point and exactly what i was thinking, even the nulls. Only ritoky read was odd. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:50 Damdred wrote: Hey guys I got distracted while I was finishing things up at the house cleaning days are a bitch. ok I'll try to answer everything of I miss some things just quote them and I'll get them, or if you have a person you specifically want me to talk about I'll try to get to it. Firstly a list of people I am town reading currently: Ruxxor: last game we played together one of the things or a few things I caught him on was weird interactions with people suspecting them and then forgetting what he's typed. He seems to be a little more consistent with what he's said even if he is putting things a bit odd. Also tone wise he is way different, he seems a bit more relaxed and happier here while my experience with him as scum has been super angry sounding. Content wise he also makes a bit of sense with what he's posting so far. Marv: Mostly its a tone thing plus he seems really involved in everything going on. I like and understand how he's looking at the game. Kel: Has really put the work into the game so far that I would expect from a town kel, he has dug through posts in here and has kept brining things back up that he doesn't agree with and he keeps re evaluating as the game goes. Ie when I told him to checkour last game he did and changed a bit of what he said. Hf: I'm scared of him bit he seems a lot more involved early and seems to be pushing things from a good angle to me. He doesn't sound really stinky to me atm so I'm ok with him being town here. Hts is someone who I like at this point but don't have a firm handle on right now. For example I can understand the thought processes she uses in giving the reads and when others don't understand you can see a struggle to get people to understand it. Sticks to the guns but seems to really want to work with people to get them to understand the perspective. I think has a good shot at town palmar is a Toney thing and I like him but I always do. If anyone has any more specific questions about people not on my list ask. @kel currently in struggling with my rsoultin read. I'm of two minds whenever her and hf fight one of them is generally scum as they usually get along pretty well. But on the other hand she's so obstinante and doesn't care what people think shed just going to say whatever the hell she wants, that's a town trait to me of hers to. Overall I'm still thinking town but a couple of misgivings about her. I mentioned on day 1 how weird this town read post was from damdred since he didn't sound sure about those reads at all yet still called them all town and I think i like arbitrarily deciding everyone on this list that's explained is town simply because it looks like he struggled to point out everything obvious that didn't make people towny but did in his mafia world. #sickreads | ||
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False Lead (Mafia Roleblocker): False leads happen all the time. Most of the time, they’re not even anyone’s fault. They sure do eat up valuable peoples’ time, though. You are a roleblocker. Each night, you may target a player and roleblock them. You can also deliver KP while doing this. Your RB resolves before any town abilities do. This is a bit wifom but since damdred was only tracked to ritoky, barring any jk or anything that has a save on ritoky it probably means someone not talked about as being scummy carried the kp. Not sure what that means yet but i just saw it in the op. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Tracker cant track someone to 2 locations, that would be super op. Of course they can. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:27 Vivax wrote: The idea is that mafia preferred BM over him if he's mafia. What is this? Rocket science? And the person that was at the forefront of that being town hf and town geript. You're welcome. | ||
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On July 12 2015 03:46 LightningStrike wrote: BTW here is the gif describing Us vs MZ atm: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IKhl1xu.gif) Hey bro i made that gif at least give me credit | ||
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On July 12 2015 11:03 milo109 wrote: Lynch Clarity, HF, Boxer, Scott. It's hilarious you have the same lynch list despite the whole reason you having this list was mz flipping red. | ||
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Kinda can't be bothered since i get attacked every post i make so who cares right? You can see my opinions were genuine for next cycle. | ||
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That right there. Have fun after i flip. | ||
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Don't care jat. I have a legitimate rsoul scum read that nobody will entertain so you'll have to kill me to realise it. | ||
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Either way you saw how she's referenced me all game, you see how many times she's "exasperated" that nobody listens to her about me and finally when she can get what she wants? Nada. That post i just made should be enough to realise after my flip that she is mafia | ||
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you say i keep sniping you, which is true but they are all very very valid points which people shall soon enough sheep | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:27 rsoultin wrote: i don't remember? lol bm has a lurkier scum game...i've seen him play town well, though it was in a newbie game. don't really know mz but the don't lynch bm thing wasn't survivalist which at the time seemed an odd approach for scum So why was mz in your mafia list of me/ruxx/milo/mz when you hadn't read the 100 pages or w/e you claimed to read including night time. You thought his posts around the lynch were towny. When you reread you agreed with his ritoky and milo disparity but you still wanted him killed as a mafia read??? | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:34 Harkon wrote: On a similar note: I absolutely hate this. You saw how hard marv, me and LS were going at MZ and how good the reasons for it where and you still put him in your null list for this weak ass reason. Hate it. Ah maybe i was wrong (cant be bothered to check) but yes that's a bad post. Not only was mz's post wrong and explained to him to be wrong but if rsoul didnt read the 100 pages before then how can she make that read and if its after she read then how on earth can she make that read again. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:35 rsoultin wrote: excuse me? what was weak about it? y'all's main reason was meta? Didn't read the thread alert. The ritoky/milo points were the main ones and it looked like tmi which is also primarily what the milo case was too. Marv brought very good points up that ritoky didn't look apathetic at all and I corrected mz that he had posted but for some reason the apathetic town read did not apply to milo at all. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:44 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: this rsoultin holyflare thing is too ridiculous, they have basically the same filter length and only talk to eachother with bullshit 1 liners spamming the thread, im pissed after catching up. I've been here for like 20 minutes dude and hadn't posted a single thing the entire last night. That's a pretty fake post. | ||
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On July 12 2015 20:06 Holyflare wrote: It's hilarious you have the same lynch list despite the whole reason you having this list was mz flipping red. Still wholly relevant. Anyway, did you know that since there are 4 other mafia it's probably better to maybe not kill milo? since ls is gunsmith he should have got a gun to another person last night. I'm kind of tempted that we get the person with the gun to announce they have it today because if they don't have it then milo is confirmed mafia. We then lynch some mafia poop today and say we're gonna shoot some other mafia poop tonight and then milo has to get a check off or they let another mafia die. | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:46 Harkon wrote: Not sure I follow you here. Sure, if LS got rbed milo is confirmed mafia but if he didn't that still doesn't make milo town? I didn't say milo was town i said if he's mafia theres 3 other mafia that we could be killing today and it let's us confirm if milo is a cop tomorrow by getting the person to announce who they are shooting. If he gets rb'd again and mafia dies then who cares we get to lynch him. If he gets rb'd and town dies then who cares we get to lynch him. I just think milo is a seriously stale topic and other lynches are far far better. | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:51 Vivax wrote: What about scott HF? Don't like the arguments presented? No i think they are all absolutely shit and look like potential busses where you all know he is mafia and point out posts that don't look like they are mafia posts or have mafia intentions at all. Ironically I think trfel made the best read on Scott and it looked quite good. | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:56 Harkon wrote: I don't think there is a better lynch than mafia. And if we lynch milo today and he flips scum then we have confirmed that there is no rb and the player with the gun can still announce and be held accountable. If we do not lynch milo today then we only achieve that tomorrows discussion will also be stale. What I'm saying is i don't think milo is as mafia as everyone makes him out to be. I do want his comments on how his reads have not changed since mz flipped the opposite alignment to what he based all his reads on though. | ||
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On July 13 2015 01:17 milo109 wrote: HF is trying to get plausible deniability for when I flip town. Do not listen to anyone who defends me today later on in the game. How about you answer my questions first before jumping to some completely weird scenario that doesn't make sense since i don't want to lynch you at all today. | ||
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On July 13 2015 01:20 Vivax wrote: Cause he had the opposite reaction I had when I also believed BM. He could try to convince people that BM is a bad lynch instead he goes "meh, ill vote him anyway for consolidation" which fits within a mafia not giving a shit who of the two gets lynched. Well sure that's what i originally posted when he posted that but scott isn't exactly the argumentative person at the forefront of discussion in his other games either. If i'm gonna sheep someone on scott it will be trfel anyway. I'm not saying he's a bad lynch at all. | ||
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On July 12 2015 22:40 Holyflare wrote: Oh fuck off I'm your main scum read and you don't want to lynch me? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That right there. Have fun after i flip. On July 12 2015 22:46 Holyflare wrote: Double post be damned but everything you said I've done has been mafia play and you've made "cases" on me repeatedly. All you've said I've done the past cycle is snipe at you, now defend your scott and ruxxar scum reads and you still don't want to lynch me? ^^ Don't care jat. I have a legitimate rsoul scum read that nobody will entertain so you'll have to kill me to realise it. On July 12 2015 22:54 Holyflare wrote: Neither of those things are true no but I'm not feeling very motivated at all to do either, pretty much like that game where you were mafia and i couldn't be bothered to argue at all. Either way you saw how she's referenced me all game, you see how many times she's "exasperated" that nobody listens to her about me and finally when she can get what she wants? Nada. That post i just made should be enough to realise after my flip that she is mafia Vivax what do you think? | ||
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On July 13 2015 01:41 LightningStrike wrote: Because Milo is the correct lynch today. If he flips cop then we got a 2nd Roleblocker on our hands. If he flips scum we got confirmed only 1 roleblocker. Having a second roleblocker being found out is irrelevant if we lynch milo first..... -.- | ||
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On July 12 2015 20:06 Holyflare wrote: It's hilarious you have the same lynch list despite the whole reason you having this list was mz flipping red. Milo explain yourself. | ||
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A) it was the most transparent thing ever B) also fucking retarded and they'd know you would never do it C) all of this is irrelevant if you are mafia anyway Nothing about me hinges on milo's alignment and certainly not after you've been screaming I'm mafia all game and STILL doing mafia things?? | ||
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On July 12 2015 12:58 rsoultin wrote: -_- eh i had a weird reason to think milo might be town, but i think i may just be overthinking things with that response maybe if someone else sees it wave, i'm assuming you're not caught up, so yeah...it's not like you need us to talk to you for you to talk xP What was the reason | ||
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I also just haven't been here was busy socialising so that's why i saw stupid things and sniped. Let's kill scott who was my shadow last game where i wrote that i would martyr for the sick town cred but he doesnt say a word about it here | ||
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On July 13 2015 09:56 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: Because I dont uselessly spam the thread with one liner conversations that lead to nothing to bolster my post count. Btw pickings are slim at this point for palmar fear, only vivax really makes sense given my reads on people this game. Possibly WoS but meh. You know damdred fears palmar right? | ||
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(yes I'm aware jat actually did yesterday) but just going throught HtS' thought process i can't make any sense of her read on me. She said i misrepresented trfel day 1 which i do as mafia but then never explains how i misrepresented him at all and then ignored my actual legit trfel case for the same reason which didn't make any sense and then she flat out ignored me when I was actually asking legitimate questions about her play. She cited the reason that if i was mafia I'd shit up the thread with it but completely ignores the situation where I'm town clammering for an answer and doing anything to get it. She even knows i play aggressively as town so what help does shutting me out do other than annoy me quite visibly? Then her read has never ever changed since. At all. No sense at all. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:02 milo109 wrote: lol. HF mafia >.> Whwn will you explain your reads not changing despite mz flipping the opposite alignment? | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:18 milo109 wrote: But this will go through without you, as I"m sure you're smart enough to realize. You'll also realize that when I flip town, people will look at who was most certain about my lynch. Which is about everyone, but still you're the careful sort of mafia. You decide to defend me today, so you can separate yourself from a clear mislynch, and use the position of high ground to throw scum on the others who did push me. Perhaps you don't know how we play but that is the most opposite effect that i would have ever thought of. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:31 Clarity_nl wrote: He's being lynched bro. Either you think he's scum and you're happy or you think he's town or you're not. If you have doubts go read his filter, at this point he's clearly given up, whatever his alignment is. Right and if he's town he'll have a logical explanation for all of his thought processes and me picking it apart for more information helps me get a read on him. I don't think it's as dead set as everyone makes it out to be and i sure don't want to just afk while he gets lynched. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:41 Clarity_nl wrote: So scott is scum because: - He called you town but didn't talk about my first post calling you town - He isn't townreading oats but likes his case - He wants to lynch rsoultin without giving reasons Meh. No he said I was town because of my first post and it was a mindmeld but then said it also could be constructed beforehand but still town read me anyway. The oats thing is pretty valid if he's sheeping that persons case. A town lean would be good at least? Dunno about the last. Rest is underwhelming play that isn't really explained properly and a smidge of poe. | ||
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Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid This just proves you havent read my filter at all because that's just not the case. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:56 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm perfectly content sitting on my hands until milo flips. If you are not that's fine, but I don't think you are solving the game at the moment. Well that is fine so be content with me wasting my own time then instead of pointing out things thay you know annoyed me the first time everyone did it so provide nothing more than aggravation on my end. | ||
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On July 14 2015 02:41 Holyflare wrote: Hm the more i think about trfel the more it's obvious he hasn't read a thing past the first half of d1 Well he KNOWS what's happening somehow but all his reads are stuck back in the first few posts that people made kind of thing. | ||
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On July 14 2015 02:58 Clarity_nl wrote: You literally said "I don't know about milo, I'll need to think more about him" 12 hours before lynchtime or whatever. OUR CURRENT LYNCH TARGET and you're in no rush to get a read on him apparently. Doing nothing about the BM lynch would be fine, I was perfectly happy switching I thought he was a better lynch at the time. However you thought the lynch was HORRIBLE and just let it happen anyway. "lol u guys are all bad lynching the claimed wanderer" followed with no alternative or caring about moving the lynch target. I'm not saying you should townread Kelsier at all (although you should). What I was saying, and this is my third time pointing it out to you, is that YOU saying his d1 was fine but he's done nothing after that, when the only scummy thing he's done AFAIK is being so indifferent during d1 lynch. Somehow you missed this but you still read him as scum. It makes no sense. Woah there nelly! Didn't you just accuse me of wasting my time trying to get a read on milo? | ||
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On July 13 2015 06:41 boxerfred wrote: is HF still fighting with milo? Just coming by, not reading through, no time before bad. but if HF is still only doing shitfights with milo, he's highly suspicious. On July 13 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote: None of my talks with milo have been shit fights like you keep insinuating in the slightest. I do not know whether he is mafia or not and am trying to get him to explain himself since he is wildly inconsistent. Furthermore, bf, I think you could actually be mafia for comments like that since you add nothing, say nothing and instead insite useless accusations that you have no basis to make repeatedly. last time you were in the thread was equally productive, mind mentioning where i shit up the thread with milo in the first place and how it looked like i was doing it again while you proclaim you aren't reading? | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:21 Holyflare wrote: You say I'm trying to always steer town in the wrong direction too. You can't have both facts be true. Either you are town and me not wanting to lynch you today was steering town in the right direction or you're mafia in which case that fact wouldnt maKe sense. Im either mafia for saying you might be town or mafia for trying to save you today? Lol? Not to mention rsoultin was in your scum reads day 1 and 2 and i was pushing her all game (hts day 1 too) so I'm not sure in the slightest how that read makes sense in your mind. Doesn't that mean you are guilty of the same thing? When does being wrong change to being mafia? Where am i focusing on the minute details because in pretty much the entirety of my reads it has been overarching gameplay points I've been making? On July 14 2015 01:22 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps you don't know how we play but that is the most opposite effect that i would have ever thought of. Respond to this then? | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:12 milo109 wrote: You're steering town wrong as a whole, leaving aside today. Rsoultin is no longer in my scum reads, mostly because there is so much space. You're not being wrong in the most literal sense of the word, but instead making mountains out of molehills. I think that's mafia indicative. I also hate the tone I get from your posts, but that may be a personal problem since I feel that way about quite a few people. What do you mean, the opposite effect? People pushing on town look mafia. People defending town look town. People that go against the grain look like mafia when they defend a town that nobody thinks is town. That's just a given. I am not talking about rsoultin now. I'm saying you can't possibly have been calling me mafia all along with such resolve when A) day 1 all your scum reads were the people i was pushing and the thing you scum read me for didn't exist when i corrected you B) your read on me n1 was because mz was obvious mafia and now he has flipped town and i am still mafia C) now it is something completely different? Making mountains out of mole hills. Do you have examples of when I have done this? Point to where in the game I've made something trivial become something big for a mafia read and I'll admit it makes sense because afaik i haven't done that. D) How can you possibly know whether I'm steering town wrong when nobody i have been pushing has flipped anything yet? I don't really understand this read at all because it just does not make any sense. You also need to explain your clarity read because that too was based on mz and hasn't changed even though your trap made him look towny to you. Also bf read is largely unexplained? | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:15 boxerfred wrote: HF continues to beat a dead horse. if milo flips town, I'm totally fine with a HF lynch. tbh, also if he flips scum. When you want to actually do ANYTHING useful with your precious free time let me know. This is the 3rd time you've afk'd to come back and repeat the same useless tripe. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:21 boxerfred wrote: HF you need to step down from milo. He's gonna get lynched anyways, giving his reads credibility or, well, not. So please try to make an effort on someone else. No i do not. If his reads make sense and have coherent thought processes behind them then we can simply lynch someone else. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:26 Trfel wrote: Hopefully milo109 is scum, I guess... Do something useful that doesn't involve the first 12 hours of the game please. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:52 boxerfred wrote: if have a strong gut feeling that hf is scum. can't explain really but I feel like he's way too much concerned about milo. like, unnecessarily concerned. he'll be lynched so why bother, why not concentrate on other things and analyze milo's reads later, depending on his flip? Because absolutely nobody is around to do anything with. Just like you. Returning and saying nothing. I'm not confident on milo's alignment and he doesn't HAVE to be lynched if he decided to give a shit and actually answer all the questions and play properly but nah he doesn't want to. You haven't even particularly read the thread if you think i haven't commented on anything else either because I've been trying to get people to talk about numerous things and they just afk or refuse so instead ill trot along with questioning milo. It's also quite funny that you think it's worse for me to be here and question the guy that is up for lynch than the 20 other players that are here and not saying a word about anything. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:12 milo109 wrote: Trying to answer your questions is like ramming my head into a quite stubborn brick wall, except brick walls usually don't respond with a lol everytime you do it. When did i ever just say "lol"? I pretty much question everything you write because none of it really makes any sense. If you can't back up situations with quotes when asked or don't really care about responding then i don't really know what to say because that's what the game of mafia is. | ||
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None of those are responses to your answers and are in fact responses to you dodging all the original questions and trolling. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:31 boxerfred wrote: So you're painting yourself as the good townie who doesn't give up on others as long as there's a chance that they might flip town, however bad their play is or how scummy their behaviour? Thing is that I don't think you're making efforts. You're rather pretending to make efforts since you know as well as I do that milo is going to be hanged no matter what. Your posts also do have a tone that really makes it hard for milo to react in a decent way to them. Basically you're acting towards milo like Germany towards Greece: "bra, you done shit, but you know what, I know what's good for ya, so better eat my shit now". I don't know what milo is capable of so I'd rather be sure of the lynch than not. This is the easiest thing to do since I'm lazy/not in and can't really be bothered to read more filters. I asked people to talk about other stuff and nobody else did so it likewise reflects on my effort. I don't see how my tone is bad in the slightest either. He posts his response and i see something that doesn't add up and question him further and he ignores me, afk's and asks if people have questions. It's both insulting amd annoying. | ||
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Totally obvious he fake claimed vet to bus the already gone damdred and get mad town credit. No? | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:51 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly if we can get a switch HF that would be able to save Milo for the time. Do you even think about what you write? Why would you switch to me? | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:52 Half the Sky wrote: I thought you were being sarcastic when you first posted and people first started questioning you. But why are you saying this still? You are serious? He's questioned you every step of the way. Is that why? If not, then what? I think the continued trolling is totally bypassing people's intelligence levels. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:55 Clarity_nl wrote: Harkon gets modkilled and you immediately call him scum when I'm pretty sure you've just been working under the assumption that he's vet the entire game?? Yeh i somehow missed that it said his alignment wouldn't be said till night and i wouldn't appeal it in the qt and i just oited my team mate while simultaneously saying bh can rescind the modkill Ok clarity :D Whoooooosh | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:03 LightningStrike wrote: Oh goody we got JAT! Okay so Milo wasn't lying afterall about being roleblocked. There must be another strong role for town. Okay Who I gave the gun to: Shoot HF. Yes definitely don't do this at all. There's trfel, scott etc etc all lying about. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:05 LightningStrike wrote: Also the irony about Damdred being scum: He prob would of shot HF because Damdred knows how good a Town HF is but instead he shot Palmar and JAT LOL. Yeh never ever in 10,000 years do i ever shoot jat Ever | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:05 Harkon wrote: Next time don't start timing all over the place man. They are onto us now. Sorry buddy I'll wifom the nk so it explains you living | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote: No, this is false. Holyflare posts a ton and sounds very convincing. Lynching him is nearly impossible, and almost never happens. However, he's scum. Shooting him is a good way to kill him. This is a case where someone needs to take initiative and kill a high risk, high reward target where town doesn't have the confidence to lynch him otherwise. Holyflare is a very good shot. You haven't read the game though and your reads are all based on the first pages of people's filters. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:23 Trfel wrote: You are intentionally misrepresenting the entire game and are obviously mafia. I rebutted your case and you didn't say a word. Pretty much all of your cases actually. Why am i obviously mafia? | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:46 Half the Sky wrote: Honestly knowing what I know now I'd rather have sacrificed myself to kill Holyflare (when I was in that state of mind n2) than another blue to take the fall, but no use crying more now over spilt milk. I'm just really pissed at myself now. You have no idea. >_< And Trfel I'm going to be blunt here if you want to accuse Holyflare of misrepresenting the entire game you better be able to post on the entire game (and not just the beginning). If you're town, show us those dazzling cases you are capable of, and illustrate points from after N1. Gah, I'm just really pissy at the moment so might be a good time to bow out. You would be more pissed if i flipped town and you wasted 2 mislynches on you and mz | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote: You forgot me HF Ruxxar you townread HF right? How did i forget you? I didn't say i scum read you? | ||
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On July 14 2015 18:46 marvellosity wrote: HF if we shoot you and you flip town, do you think the information is worth it? Not over the shitty lurker shots. If you're going to shoot me I'd prefer the bullet to be held till next cycle so i can go home and play first. | ||
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People don't listen to you about me because you have posted one case on me that i dismantled and you can't possibly believe. | ||
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I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines. VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues. Also VA keeps complaining about things that just aren't true anymore, i didn't shit fight with rsoultin but he returns to say that we were and afk's, his nk stuff that he does as town was far too focused on one player when i think he's usually much more logical. He's pretty off base. Scott is mafia because when i did some shitty martyring he didn't conclude i was mafia even after i did the exact same thing to get out of a lynch as mafia last game and he was my shadow so knows. Also some of trfel's points if you twist them enough are good cases for scott being mafia. He's also posting in newbie game and not here and all his posts seem to be reactionary omgus' lately. So so far it's probably scott/ebh/obi/+x (rsoul, kelsier, bf most likely). | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Scum hasn't really gotten the opportunity to kill you if you're town, HF. Unless you're saying anyone else would have shot you n1? Precisely n1 | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean I think the palmar shot makes sense for scum, he's a strong town that wasn't trying at all d1 which makes it likely he's blue, if he's not blue he's still a good shot as there's no way anyone is protecting him and he can solve games, and apparently harkon tried to direct a shot on him by soft claiming a blue role? From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? Maybe you're out of the loop but if palmar is playing like shit he's just shit. Yes, VA. He even gloated about it in the last game we played. I don't know about mislynching though. | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:51 Half the Sky wrote: Also still am curious - when you can - as to how you are seemingly quite confident in that OWS read (seemingly a tone read) based on his history from the database. Nothing to do with his history i dunno i only ever remember him trying once as town and that was newbie game. Now he's acting all serious and making points but doesn't actually ever say anything. It's a little bit of poe with a little bit of him feeling off. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:47 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I apologize that I'm being scumread by the majority of people, I've been pretty upfront with my thought process and reads. Oh well. If you aren't mafia then you gotta point where people's town reads are wrong. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hf is mafia so who gives a shit what he thinks. On July 15 2015 01:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I've seen absolutely nothing in the last hundred pages to make me change my mind. I love lynching low-impact players that don't post. Hf is also possibly mafia. at least be consistent | ||
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On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post. Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open. Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia. Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case. You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous | ||
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On July 15 2015 03:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm working under the assumption that he could be town, not the fact that he is town. Try harder. If you say so. You also haven't called me mafia the entirety of the game. I've searched your filter for hf/holyflare/holy etc and i've only ever come up for you to say nothing towards you and no it's suddenly "hf is scum so who gives a shit" and "hf is possibly mafia" and "hf is mafia"???? none of this is logical in the slightest, reading through your filter is actually enlightening because this is the first time i've actually been bothered to do it all game and it's absolutely littered with defences of people, little bits of unintuitive tmi in regards to people's alignments and reactions that don't quite make sense with the information you can see i'll probably make a case on you at some point but i'm fairly sure you are mafia | ||
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On July 15 2015 03:48 Clarity_nl wrote: marv are you around? Are you not at all afraid of being night killed and having not left a post? nk's shall reveal alllllll | ||
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On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote: Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/. I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things. LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia | ||
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sheep clarity tbh his thoughts are pretty similar to me and his nulls are pretty interchangeable with his mafia list imo (don't lynch wave tbh) | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:01 marvellosity wrote: i didn't say it was scummy. bad HF. jat/bf were doing it all of the cycle they can be bad you can just be silly instead | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. | ||
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On July 15 2015 04:52 Holyflare wrote: anyway just gonna afk till the flip, remember if anyone shoots me they are confirmed mafia and do not ever ever let them talk themselves out of that sheep clarity tbh his thoughts are pretty similar to me and his nulls are pretty interchangeable with his mafia list imo (don't lynch wave tbh) | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm sure acting like I don't play off of omgus like I literally always do (and you know it's a thing because you even mentioned it in your scum QT in that newbie game) and acting like it's scummy now is complete garbage, because you KNOW how much it pisses me off when people write me off/scumread me for shitty/nonexistent reasons. you've called ebh mafia all game, your recent posting when he called you mafia for 0 reasons that he could explain should fit into your read perfectly. It didn't at all, you responded to him in a completely opposite way than i would ever expect someone who was mafia reading him all game to react. Especially to VA of all people who never posts things ever. Then there's your read on me WHICH DIDN'T EXIST THE ENTIRE GAME and then it suddenly appeared out of nowhere and you dismissed everyone's posts about me and my posts because "he's obviously shitty mafia" when you have never mentioned that the entire game and in fact have responded the opposite to that sentiment numerous times. Then there's all of your reads the entire game that just pop out of thin air etc that i've been mentioning countless times like your random defending of MZ at night only to say he might be town based on nothing and then ritoky too when everyone else was scum reading him d1. A lot of things you say don't make sense, you never qualify them and then you go back to afking. A lot of your posts simply do not fit with what you say you've been thinking previously in this game. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because that's why it seemed like you were calling me scummy. -.- Anyhoezels. I can say very similar things as to why you called me scum your filter (which I actually have read, btw) right up until this very moment, and these reasons still don't fly with me at all. It's like you're expecting me to accept the fact that you're scumreading me (which I won't ever fucking do, knowing how hard and how aggressively you'll push that read as either alignment) and that's complete garbage. And your point on defenses is garbage. actually no the difference is that i didn't actually read your filter till now and now i think it's scummy i don't care if you accept the scum read or not i just won't take people trying to discredit my already poor town credit based on absolutely nothing when my points are quite correct | ||
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2. Please point out the games where I was mafia and shot you because afaik i have never ever shot you in my life willingly and the only game i remember was because you were a vigilante and that was like 5 million years ago. You may think I do it a lot but it has not been the case at all. No proof. I genuinely think that you are not a very productive player and yes it's ad hom or whatever but it's why i leave you alive if you're in a game with me. Knowing my true thoughts you can see where my thought process isn't needless shit flinging anymore and instead becomes a logical thought process. 3. I agreed with this but reasoned a team of VA would because he said he would last game. 4. This point is actually not shit flinging and wasn't meant to be an accusation against obi. It is VA and he doesn't post much as any alignment and Obi was getting annoyed at VA who does that as any alignment? It doesn't make sense and is scummy. 5. No it's not when you've scum read them all game and they play to your read. Does Obi's reaction to me just now look anything like his reaction to EBH? The answer is undeniably no. I know how obi omgus' people and he just calls them mafia and afk's, this is DISTINCTLY different. 6. It's not nonsensical. Obi was never going to get the gun and ruxxar was treating it like it might be true and giving it thought. This would make sense if Ruxxar were mafia and Obi was town because it looks like he is thinking it's true and following along with it. 7. No i don't. As you can see, your points are baseless and don't make me mafia. You should just drop it JAT. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:36 Harkon wrote: Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to. No i'm not. Why can't you ever just -redacted- talk to me like an actual human being and instead talk around me? Your play would improve ten fold. Tell me what obi does as town and I will tell you why it's not like that in this game. Or reasons that are not true. Write them out for me. I will counter them. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:37 boxerfred wrote: sheeping Harkon (hell do I use it correct now?) in terms of HF. Stumbled across this: I do not like such a long sentence constructing a reason around not shooting him at night. I mean I get the argument ("don't kill the biggest filter in game", amirite?) but this filter is stupidly unreadable. Sorry. I'm not buying it. Might be totally wrong on that but I take that risk. Please shoot him. marv are you still not having a real grip on the game? that's really wondering me since by now we have a lot of stuff we can read into. lazy? Why does my filter have anything to do with it? I've promised to play this next cycle because i'm actual able to be at a computer and play the game so if you think i'm mafia you should give me the cycle to prove myself as town. Is that not reasonable? | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:44 Trfel wrote: Holyflare, where you at a computer (and thus playing to the best of your ability) for Day 1? i don't remember, when did the game start? | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:42 Harkon wrote: 1. Yes, it is a bad read. 2. I have been shot in each and every towngame that my team lost except for TL Noir and still not themed (where I was the lined up next nightkill). I have played against you as scum multiple times and lost (at least I am pretty sure of at least 2 instances). So you definitely shot me. I will not put in useless effort to search for those games. 3./4. blablabla 5. No. 6. That's even more nonsensical. Why would town ruxxar not think about it? 7. Yes, you do. So when a person does it almost exclusively as mafia and has done it once as town it's a bad read? Yeh, now you're just intentionally being stubborn and stupid. I've checked the database and my filter through all my mafia games and have never shot you unless I needed to because you were blue apart from another game where you got shot n3 because I had no control over the actions. Either way, being productive and looking towny are 2 different things. I just flat out think you aren't productive and aren't a good shot either way. It's my opinion which you will obviously disagree with. Flat out disregarding my points are bad when you are the one calling me mafia for them, why won't you interact with me? Your point where you just say "No." is pathetic. Obi's reaction to known lurker VA when you just flat out said obi omgus' as town looks nothing like his town omgusing at all. This is a silly point to ignore since it's acutely different. | ||
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"I think hf is mafia because x player plays like x as town and hf is misrepresenting him" "no, that's not true! there's evidence in this game to say he's not playing like x! point out things that you think are similar to his town game and i'll counter it with evidence!" "nah i'm done hf is mafia!" | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:51 Trfel wrote: On the fifth. Basically, I'm reading the thread much more carefully than before, and it's going slowly. To be completely honest, I'm estimating that if I keep going at this rate, I'll finish the thread at about the same time the game ends (assuming we get at least one more scum lynch). So if I need to wait to finish reading the thread to make serious reads, I will never be able to do so. As far as reading you on a portion of the game goes, is Day 1 a fair portion of the game to use? yeh and n1 although afk'd much of n1 onwards | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:59 boxerfred wrote: HF gonna be modkilled if that goes on. lots of ad hom. whenever you decide that it's best to post about someone that isn't me, I would like to know! | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:09 LightningStrike wrote: I not going to forgive myself unless you are scum because I fucked up hard vs you in our last game HF. yes and this time your read is based on what? i don't think you ever explain why you think i'm mafia other than the rsoul meta which isn't even true meta | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:10 boxerfred wrote: You do this game, in a subtle way. You're not saying "fuck you" but a lot of your posts have a subtext of "you're bad/stupid". Here: + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote: lol jat you might be mad that such a great entity such as myself dislikes your style of play but that doesn't excuse you from actively trying to throw the game by refusing to participate with that player because you're in tears and stubborn On July 15 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote: and ls' read is a pile of steaming poop, it's literally based on meta that we don't argue as town which is actually just not meta and rather me being placid and not disagreeing on something, of course if 2 ego's collide in differing opinions they will argue + she plays badly On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote: man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd :D :D :D :D :D get gud guys On July 15 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote: like is this really what a good player does? "I think hf is mafia because x player plays like x as town and hf is misrepresenting him" "no, that's not true! there's evidence in this game to say he's not playing like x! point out things that you think are similar to his town game and i'll counter it with evidence!" "nah i'm done hf is mafia!" ....to just call the ones from your last 2 pages. yes i know i'm doing it in this game sherlock and i'm town i'm saying as mafia i don't ad hom people | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:11 boxerfred wrote: so first you're now going ad hom at me, second "mafia" can refer to the game and not only to games where you roll scum, watson. yeh but i quite clearly wasn't implying i hadn't ad hom'd THIS game lol either way irrelevant | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: You did as scum vs Fid who was the confirmed Mason with rsoultin at that game. show me where i ad hom'd him instead of trying to just discredit him because his reads were based on % chances? this game i'm attacking the player and that game i attacked his logic, nothing is similar in the slightest | ||
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##vote holyflare purely because when i do post actual content everyone ignores it and you're now one of those people and you're confirmed town what a joke! | ||
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all i wanted to do was give you guys my read on obi and have fun -.- so i'll just afk and you can lynch me | ||
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On July 15 2015 07:23 rsoultin wrote: i don't understand this attitude from town? like seriously, hf. i know you're some sort of town god or something but you honestly don't have the resiliency to deal with people scumreading you? i find that rather unbelievable -_- i'll check into your ows case and i hope you'll take some time, cool down, and come back to the thread so that those of us still on the fence can work with you if you're scum, whatever, but i hope you see the logic in this if you're town, yeah? have you ever been angry at something? i couldn't give a shit if people scum read me that's none of the reasons i'm angry, people are just ignoring what i say and i'm already angry so it's a bad mix i post 1 read and look how many people came out of the wood work and completely ignored it jat was bad and bypassed all the logic and called me mafia, ls is basically confirmed town and plays like crap and says i'm mafia and never comments on my obi posts at all and says we should 100% shoot me and wastes his time looking up a post that doesn't even make sense from himalayas, boxerfred all he has done for 3 cycles is intentionally call me mafia to antagonise me for being right on milo and saying that people who shoot me are mafia? ok bf only clarity gives a shit and at the end of the day he's probably going to end up mafia with ruxxar for the 2 people in this game that town read me while nobody else see's it anger has no logic and i don't really care just lynch me and be done with it and realise that people's intent to policy and play like crap is far greater than their need to ever treat another player like they are wrong and to maybe change their read and sure it's hypocritical when i've called you mafia all game but i was already mad then and will continue to be mad so it's best to get rid of me and i will no longer post a single thing this phase and it's probably my last mafia game too so, yay! | ||
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Despite JAT saying my read on Obi was fictitious and HtS telling you otherwise you still made a scenario where you would base your read on Obi on my flip. That is both irrational and silly (scummy) because you can just go "oh look what hf said must be true let's lynch obi!" A lot of your play has been similar to all the things I have just mentioned. | ||
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On July 16 2015 07:38 Clarity_nl wrote: I was gonna do work but then you martyred so now I'm just policy lynching you. Are you gonna play? There's plenty of time still. JAT said the case was wrong but I disagree *shrug* How does me martyring excuse you from playing the game? This is the second time in a row that you have used this excuse to dodge doing anything productive and the last time that happened the town cop milo died. A locked in martyr policy lynch does not stop you from getting scum reads and playing the game, especially as you have telegraphed that I am going to flip town numerous times. How can you simply disagree with JAT when my case was partly based on meta which JAT said Obi does as town? HtS has also given you games to compare it in and you STILL maintain that you like it? I don't believe that in the slightest. It's simply another case of you disregarding actual facts from other games and meta for no reason and it's pretty scummy. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I literally just told you that Hf does every single thing you said makes him town as mafia. He is on record as doing so and your points on him being town are bad. Why is he so town to you, like really? ^ this is the exact point i'm making basically | ||
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On July 16 2015 08:38 rsoultin wrote: ah so i'm mafia again in hf-world ^^ good to know. do you want me to bother looking into your case or not? xP you actually always have been i just lied so people wouldn't be whiney bitches about me clogging up the thread about you, I don't think you've done anything at all for the past 3 cycles but comment on people's posts and do nothing | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also clarity is mafia. On July 08 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm inclined to agree that sparing MZ was the correct play. Someone who defends themselves is always more valuable than someone that doesn't play. Anyhoezels. I can back a Clarity lynch tomorrow. EBH should be on the list as well. I have my doubts about Harkon. The cop claims are likely to resolve themselves with time, so who cares even. On July 08 2015 13:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I have literally 0 interest in even discussing MZ anymore. I don't care. You can resolve it amongst yourselves. Clarity is mafia. Discuss. On July 08 2015 14:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Ruxx, talk to me about someone else for now. Talk to me about clarity or EBH. Even if rso is mafia she isn't getting lynched tomorrow just by virtue of her being active so surely you have other scumreads/alternatives you want to explore. On July 08 2015 14:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Honestly I was going to go for Clarity because the reasoning behind almost all of his votes was completely awful. I guess that works too. Show me where it happened and why it's scummy? On July 15 2015 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Clarity, I literally cannot be fucked listening to a person who doesn't read the thread. Don't even waste my time if you're going to call Hf town for reasons that you full-well know don't exist. On July 15 2015 05:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I literally just told you that Hf does every single thing you said makes him town as mafia. He is on record as doing so and your points on him being town are bad. Why is he so town to you, like really? On July 15 2015 05:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I probably should have probed at clarity harder night 1. I knew the points he was making on other people day 1 were garbage then too. Oh wells. I'm heading to work. I'll try to check in as much as I can until later but I don't suspect that I'll be able to. On July 16 2015 04:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Honestly I feel like the thread is too stagnant for this to be a 100% mafia lynch. I keep looking for reasons to not jump on this lynch but I can't find any aside from that. So I'm thinking I look for mafia outside of this lynch or in the people that are jumping on it. I can't find any. Bleh. So he scum reads clarity all game and see's clarity hard defending me but there's evidence against me that points to me looking scummy that clarity ignores. For all the reasons obi should be scum reading clarity still but does he? no, it's completely disappeared and the ONLY scum read he has is EBH? After saying he can't find mafia too! After having absolutely no read on me, I pointed out previously how obi's scum read on me randomly appears out of nowhere. Then all of these posts happen: On July 15 2015 03:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You might want to get that out before the end of tonight because I'm shooting you. On July 15 2015 04:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: How has Hf been useful, exactly? It's such an excuse to read someone as town I swear. On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? On July 15 2015 05:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm sure acting like I don't play off of omgus like I literally always do (and you know it's a thing because you even mentioned it in your scum QT in that newbie game) and acting like it's scummy now is complete garbage, because you KNOW how much it pisses me off when people write me off/scumread me for shitty/nonexistent reasons. On July 15 2015 05:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because that's why it seemed like you were calling me scummy. -.- Anyhoezels. I can say very similar things as to why you called me scum your filter (which I actually have read, btw) right up until this very moment, and these reasons still don't fly with me at all. It's like you're expecting me to accept the fact that you're scumreading me (which I won't ever fucking do, knowing how hard and how aggressively you'll push that read as either alignment) and that's complete garbage. And your point on defenses is garbage. On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense. On July 15 2015 05:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The reasons you are townreading Hf for are bad specifically because he can do everything you said makes him town as mafia. Hf is on record knowing that I play exactly the way I'm playing now in yet he's trying to sell it now as a scumtell. It is mostly based on meta, yes, but this push is garbage to anyone who knows both of us. On July 15 2015 06:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rso go read the scum qt of my most recent newbie game to see that Hf is lying through his teeth. On July 15 2015 07:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Ebh or Hf today. Pick one. On July 15 2015 08:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lol as if ksc reading you town for bad reasons has anything to do with either of our alignments. Flail more lmfao. For someone that says i'm flailing/lying out of my teeth/posting bull shit/misrepresenting etc etc which would make me outrageously MAFIA over EBH who he scum reads for... doing what VA does every game lol???? Why is he quite content to NOT vote me? On July 16 2015 04:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Honestly I feel like the thread is too stagnant for this to be a 100% mafia lynch. I keep looking for reasons to not jump on this lynch but I can't find any aside from that. 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On July 16 2015 08:44 rsoultin wrote: -snorts- if i need to put you on mute again, i will. this push of yours is retarded, baseless, clearly demonstrates you're not actually reading any of my posts, and at best just plain wrong ^^ and i've no interest sitting here fighting with you you think that you should get special treatment "oh don't say bad things about me, don't scumread me, don't you see it just antagonizes me?" yeah. i'm done treating you with kid gloves, prima dona and if you start your sniping shit whenever i try to do anything again, i will lynch you ^^ i don't particularly care, you ARE doing exactly what I said, it's not a snipe if you think the opposite can you give me the work that you've done the past 3 cycles and how it has affected the game? | ||
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On July 16 2015 09:00 Holyflare wrote: Well it's quite a simple question that deserves an honest answer. Not an argument or anything, if you're town then I am simply wrong on you and I have actually read your filter to get to that comment. I feel like my statement is correct. If you think the opposite can you please just tell me what you think you have pushed and what you have achieved in the past 3 cycles? I'm just going to repaste this because I cannot be more civil than I am already being. If you are town then it would be more than helpful to stop me calling you mafia and perhaps help me to look in other directions if you were just to succinctly paraphrase your play to me in a few sentences such as:
I am in no way being antagonistic here. I have read your filter and yes, you are at the forefront of everything but then so am I and people are calling me mafia. Why does that matter at all? The simple answer is that it's easy for high activity players to be at the forefront of everything because all they have to do is comment on things. I think you have done a LOT of commenting and not a lot of anything else (namely pushing scum reads). That is shown by today how you have defaulted to my lynch while calling me town but have not concluded who the mafia team are or are doing any intuitive digging like I would expect you to be doing as town, in fact it looks like your mafia play where you get lazy and just comment on things and I think this has been indicative of your play for the past few cycles. So, in the interest of fairness I would like you to evaluate your own play to ME simply because I am interested to hear it. Please. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:04 Holyflare wrote: If trfel flips mafia maybe you guys will believe the rsoul read, yay! I also felt the same way last cycle about you: On July 14 2015 07:48 Holyflare wrote: Scott posting in newbie game and not here so not bad shot. Trfel is playing the most abysmal game ever. Not bad shot. Rsoul not done anything past 2 cycles. Good shot. Ebh lying about events pretty good shot. Wouldn't be surprised if mafia in oats/obi On July 14 2015 22:15 Holyflare wrote: I mean i understand you guys are mad jelly over my milo reading skills. It's understandable. Anyway I'm just gonna call rsoul town forever and if she's in lylo kill her makes poeing easier too^ is where I started trying to appease people So so far it's probably scott/ebh/obi/+x (rsoul, kelsier, bf most likely). ^ yet still have you in my list | ||
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I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything. Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong. I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) | ||
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On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote: genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right? On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later: On July 08 2015 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote: except geript isnt referring to the VT role pm when he says "roles", hes referring to the blue roles available in the game. On July 08 2015 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote: because thats clearly what I was talking about if you had gotten the vt role pm. But you didnt, so you messed up. To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue.Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit | ||
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On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote: genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway. Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town? | ||
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I have not read his filter in the past cycle or two, no, but being lazy/not at a computer for a week and a combination of my early town read based on his play made me avoid him. Sure, he might be mafia and I certainly haven't put him in my town list like you are implying I am doing. I literally just said I do not have a read on him to Breshke while you attack me for something completely opposite. | ||
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On July 16 2015 10:08 Trfel wrote: Holyflare, I don't understand what you're saying about Oatsmaster and geript? Geript acknowledged in that very post that he knew that "investigator" was part of the VT name by saying that roles are listed in the OP. Oatsmaster claiming VT, with or without the flavor name, doesn't say anything about his alignment. What are you getting at? Oatsmaster claimed to have caught geript in a scum slip. This line of thinking I don't think comes from a mafia Oats. You may argue that it does but I don't think it does. Regardless, geript further explains that he thinks there are only 2 investigators. Oat's takes this to be another slip that Geript does not know that VT's are named investigators instead of there being 2 investigator named roles in the OP. Oat's pushes that Geript must be mafia because of this. If oats was mafia then he would be assuming that Geript is in fact a blue role since he would either be blue or mafia based on this knowledge. This aside, I like the abundance of what Oats has posted on day 1. His pushes were inquisitive, his thoughts aligned with mine and I agree with pretty much everything he said. If an Oats says a lot of things I'm thinking and has similar reads to me, I take that as a good sign that he's town. Much like I did with Scott before you all talked me out of it. | ||
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On July 16 2015 10:10 Trfel wrote: Also, Holyflare, did you have any reasons for possibly suspecting Harkon of being mafia? Yes, everytime I pushed something or said something he was there repeatedly to discredit me at every occasion. The milo push on n1, he was telling me alternatives to dissuade me from it. He was also shutting down every explanation I gave for my OWN thought process in regards to the MZ/BM lynch day 1 and bypassing it all and just calling me scum repeatedly instead as if I didn't know what my own thought process was. When I was scum reading you and dissecting your case on me and saying how you could possibly not believe it he was at the forefront of the anti-holyflare brigade shouting "defence, defence! scummy defence!" instead of talking through the points like a rational person (clarity also did this too). When I was starting to think Milo was town he was just afking and randomly interjecting with "HF stop questioning him!" instead of trying to solve the game or think about Milo's alignment at all. When I asked people to stop scum reading me for a bit/a cycle so I could post cases and see if I could get people to town read me again after the first case I posted he decided to say all my posts were shit and I was definitely mafia and instead of talking through my points like a normal person was he was just dismissive and said "no" repeatedly, even to clarity asking for my meta. I thought at one point that my wifom scenario of JAT claiming the KP would allow him to live for quite a while all while shutting down all these things and proclaiming himself as "confirmed town" to confuse the poe for a long time. It was a massive tin foil theory though and that's the reason it's tin foil because it's so "out there" | ||
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On July 16 2015 10:16 Trfel wrote: Okay, I think I get what you are saying. But why would mafia not want to push a blue role? At best, you force them to claim. At worst, they adequately defend themselves. Is the towncredit for townreading a flipped blue really worth it? What do you mean town credit? I'm just saying that if Oats was mafia he would know Geript was blue and would tell his team and geript would be dead in the night instead of random afk palmar and JAT. Especially as Geript was onto Damdred for a LOT of the game not only would it be good to relieve pressure from someone town read but also a blue shot. | ||
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On July 16 2015 13:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I am disinterested in pretty much everything/anything you say to me. And why is that? Previously before I posted you were throwing out remarks like you knew I was town and finding an excuse to be elsewhere. Then I return and post something that is actually pretty logical, that your scum read on clarity vanished out of nowhere and all your posts scream that you should be scum reading him but you don't and suddenly you don't want to respond to a single question? What's so hard about answering it? You have nothing to hide if you are town right? | ||
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On July 16 2015 13:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You know you guys are reaching when every other player in the game says that you're not explaining things. I know you're trying really hard to save your scummate Hf but it's just not going to work when you try to push things that don't exist, nor will it fly when everyone in the game already thinks you're mafia. Keep trying though. When Hf flips scum, you're next. Count on it. Yes, exactly but how is this DIFFERENT to VA in every other game where he doesn't do anything? How does it suddenly make him mafia?? | ||
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On July 16 2015 13:20 rsoultin wrote: ?? i have commented on obi quite a bit this game? just as i brought damdy to people's attention, and i know you haven't forgotten my pushing you, milo or scott. it's certainly irritating that you keep saying i'm not doing things when i have been...i brought scott to your attention multiple times before you started pushing him yourself, and yeah, i was wrong, but saying i'm not doing anything is blatantly false but tbh i'm actually still not paying attention to this game fully...i already mentioned that not pushing you when you were up for lynch was strange and ows' excuse even stranger ^ this is why i'm really certain you're not actually reading my posts, btw i'll take a look at the clarity thing...lol eventually >< which means before the end of the night. as for his townreads based on activity, i agree that for ruxx and myself that's nai...ruxx was plenty active last scumgame and anyone who has seen one of my scumgames knows i can post just as much as a scum hf xP in all honesty, if we were going by activity levels, i probably have a lower activity/pg ratio than almost any of my games as either alignment this game -shrugs- though again, it's not something i keep close enough track of to know for sure Yes yes ok, you're a good player. This wasn't the answer I'm looking for though it's so wishy washy and doesn't say anything about obi. I KNOW his reads based on activity mean nothing but why do you tell me what i already know instead of what it means foefor obi? I mean... You just don't seem inquisitive and it's scummy and i can't get past it. | ||
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Va has posted about 10,000 more posts than usual and he was outed pretty quickly. I don't see how he can change his usual thought process or playstyle from one game to the next just because his name changes. (and evidently he can't if he was outed so quickly). | ||
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On July 16 2015 13:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Anyhoezels. I am going to bed. Lynch Hf. Lynch Va right after. Good night. What an inspiring tale of scum reads that are totally unqualified and unexplained much like all of your reads that are based on nothing! | ||
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Your town reads are simply based on activity metrics that don't apply to those players but you don't apply it to me for some reason. Your mafia read is VA for acting like VA does in every single game but for some reason this game it means VA is 100% without a doubt mafia. Your other mafia read is me despite you trying to blatantly flee from the town flip wagon earlier. You also only just conjured up this read in 2 seconds last night despite not thinking i was mafia all game. You also ignore clarity completely despite saying everything but he's mafia in every post when he does mafia things and when i say he's mafia suddenly radio silence from you about it. You also fulfill your own scum read on VA by not explaining anything so by your own metric are mafia. | ||
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On July 16 2015 13:07 Holyflare wrote: Who did you think was mafia at the end of last cycle before you decided randomly it was me and va? Why do you scum read va btw? I suggest that if you are town you answer this post haste as things will start to take an unfortunate turn for you very shortly. | ||
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On July 16 2015 14:28 boxerfred wrote: Just jumping by from mobile: since you claimed VT via the PM as the very first post D1, I think it was obvious to everyone (thus to scum, too) that DMLE Investigator is a VT role PM. I think that really weakens your argumentation on town Oats. But I really like the efforts you're making especially that you refuse to shitfight with rsoul. Then that's even more reason to town read oats since if everyone including scum knew then oats is: A) not likely to point it out as mafia B) would be obvious that geript not knowing it was a vt claim would be blue Independent of this fact I like oats' posts themselves. | ||
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On July 16 2015 14:31 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: oh yea I completely forgot about why I gave holyflare townread. I really doubt he makes that joke as mafia seemed too natural of a thought process. Hopefully we can come to an agreement on a lynch that isnt HF today, im willing to negotiate. What joke? | ||
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On July 16 2015 14:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nope, too much of a headache to even turn the game on. Fantastic. Skip over Hts because that's a waste of time. Look into clarity maybe but I seriously doubt it. Go play hearthstone and sleep on it. Then answer mine abd Breshke's questions please, it's pretty important. | ||
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On July 16 2015 14:41 rsoultin wrote: you mentioned him a grand total of seven times in 40 pages of filter -_- mostly as part of "to look at" or "possible vig target" lists -_- thanks for the wild goose chase, though. always love that VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues. Also VA keeps complaining about things that just aren't true anymore, i didn't shit fight with rsoultin but he returns to say that we were and afk's, his nk stuff that he does as town was far too focused on one player when i think he's usually much more logical. He's pretty off base. Your ctrl f skills are poor. | ||
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You state alakaslam as an example of my whim to drop a scum read, how has that not applied to my read on you that mysteriously disappeared before you made that post on me? I think it's exactly the same. Maybe you are too tunelled to read that but i did it several times for other players too. Me being angry means nothing, I'll tell you now. Extenuating circumstances aside i was getting continually fed up with making cases and trying to be reasonable and getting back in the game and then just getting shut down (by confirmed townies no less) for.... 0 reasons? It annoyed me and piled on top of already shitness and i just wanted to die so people would actually listen for a change. My obi read is good, his defences of people aren't natural and now he can't explain any of his reads. You say my scum game is townier than your town game so why on earth would i play so shit as mafia when my reign woild be on the line. Answer is i wouldn't. | ||
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On July 16 2015 15:27 Trfel wrote: Okay, yeah, ObiWanShinobi does seem to talk about a bunch of different reads at different times, and doesn't really flow smoothly between them. I'll check some meta, but if someone can show that this strongly indicates that ObiWanShinobi is scum, that would be good to know. Because while it is scummy, I don't find it convincing enough by itself. He said it was scummy that i called out marv which I've definitely done before. He got schooled by someone for thinking it. He dropped it and every new mention of me and rsoultin is towny or it meant nothing. No scum reads at all. It doesn't need to be mentioned if he doesn't mention me as mafia past the first post he made d1 and then never again, it means his read didn't exist. | ||
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On July 16 2015 15:28 rsoultin wrote: it was. you said there was a difference between how he does it as town and scum. i'm not seeing things, hf -_- it's a giant collection of posts with your name in them xP i just did it myself. yay ctrl+f i expect the upper one to look similar when/if i ctrl+f clarity's name you don't like that he was looking for another lynch given his omgus, and you don't like that he's not scumreading clarity for his read on you your mountain of proof in a nutshell that second looks more like he's trying to get his point across and i'm not sure why you assume he should be scumreading clarity for it? Why are you incapable of making such simple leaps of logic this game? If obi has scum read clarity the entire game. That read suddenly disappears and then clarity hard defends obi' s new scum read even though a million people are telling clarity it's wrong. What would your reaction be? Obi's is that his scum read of clarity meant something and he should have pushed it but then he drops it like a led balloon. Even though clarity still blindly sticks to that read. Who is obi's scum read? VA for playing like VA. Originally he even said it would be a spite vote too so it's not even true that he scum reads VA but for some reason now he does and it's totally obvious we are hard defending each other. He also refuses to even answer a simple question about what his reads were pre me and VA which i would absolutely love to hear. | ||
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On July 16 2015 15:34 rsoultin wrote: didn't he start calling you mafia after you started pushing him? isn't that the definition of omgus? am i getting something wrong, because that's what it looked like to me No someone in passing said i had obi in a poe list and he said I'm obviously mafia | ||
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On July 16 2015 15:30 Trfel wrote: WaveofShadow posting in random discussion thread in TL Mafia but not caring while Holyflare is lynched. What about all of the people scumreading me for doing nothing after a game as scum, which happened to be the same last game that WaveofShadow played..... Lazy or no, I just can't imagine town!WaveofShadow being THIS disinterested while Holyflare is up for lynch? Or is this within his play? I can certainly imagine it. | ||
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On July 16 2015 15:41 Holyflare wrote: Look I'm not even sure of this obi read myself dude. It's pretty solid but it doesn't necessarily make him mafia and i just want him to answer the shit he keeps dodging. I mean the points about his read on clarity are really good. The rest is just gravy. | ||
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Ruxxar is only not a town read for me because his town case on me is scarily accurate that it might be one of those mafia cases on a town meta things. I'm best read based on what i push and how i react in situations. Being pissed off at rsoul just makes my play irrational, not mafia. | ||
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On July 16 2015 15:48 Oatsmaster wrote: I think obi is town now because it makes no sense for him to talk about stress if hes mafia. Like the irritation im getting from him seems super real and mafia wont be irritated since hf is the clear lynch today. So who is mafia? :p | ||
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On July 16 2015 15:53 Trfel wrote: Oh yeah, I meant to read that one game where Holyflare got mislynched... What happened in that game? How similar was it to this? I called out the whole mafia team, played lazy and afk and marv rage quit so i policied him and went afk abd he came back and rage lynched me. | ||
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On July 16 2015 16:02 Trfel wrote: Bleh. ##unvote ##vote Holyflare Will commit sudoku if Holyflare is mislynched today Well you're the one pushing it to that situation lol? | ||
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On July 16 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote: Here's a really stupid meta to read Holyflare. As town, he plays the game seriously right away. As scum, he doesn't. Is there any merit to this at all? Absolutely none lol. | ||
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When i flip town this hard town read clarity has on me and how it's suddenly disappeared. Remember rsoul getting angry at me when i said she hadn't done much but in her giant angry post says she hasn't done much. Remember my ows read. I swear if you guys no sheeperino i will hunt you down. | ||
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On July 16 2015 21:47 Half the Sky wrote: Anyone here? So we're not lynching ruXxar or EBH? I'll read the cases on OWS. Aside from Trfels cases are there any other competing cases on Holyflare? Absolutely none. They are voting me for martyring which I'm not even doing anymore and am instead pumping out reads and answering questions. Apparently I'm still mafia despite nothing though. HtS, I don't really think VA is mafia in the slightest anymore. You should read my post on clarity, remember everytime i tried to start something he was there telling me not to. Remember when i tried to get a town read on milo he was there stopping me. Remember when i told him to do something he said no because he's waitinf for a milo flip. Remember how none of his reads were based on milo flipping. Remember how he has hard town read me the entire game despite people saying otherwise and remember what he has said just now. | ||
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On July 16 2015 22:23 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah this pretty much makes me feel really good about lynching HF. There is no way hes this reasonable if hes town. Why would i be this reasonable getting mislynched as mafia? | ||
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So no your meta is bull shit. I'm an argumentative asshole regardless of my alignment and especially so as town. | ||
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On July 16 2015 22:32 Clarity_nl wrote: I've been "hard townreading" HF all game but this is the first time he's called me scum for it, which is very timely as he's the one getting lynched. That and the martyring followed by coming back when it looks like he's actually getting lynched are the reasons for wanting to lynch him now. I'm sorry how is this timely? What use is scum reading the person who was hard defending me? Do you even think about what you write before you post it? I was in a dark tunnel of shit and now I'm out of it and have a good idea about the game. | ||
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On July 16 2015 22:36 ruXxar wrote: I'm not going to get onto the HF train. I've stated my position, and I may be swayed into lynching HF tomorrow, but not before that. Right now I still feel good about a vivax or rsoul lynch. I don't feel so good about an obi lynch. I've had a slight town lean on him this game, and him defending me makes me not want to vote for him either. If I had to choose between a HF and an Obi lynch i'd reluctantly lynch Obi, but I'm not feeling good about lynching either. I'm going to vote for vivax and if anyone wants to join me that's cool. @Obi. HF has a point about your stance switch on clarity. Reading your filter all I see is clarity is mafia until HF martyrs and after that it's suddenly "I don't want to lynch clarity anymore". 1) Can you explain exactly what made you change your stance on clarity? Are you saying that clarity is no longer a scum-read or that you simply have stronger scum-reads atm? 2) I'd like you to expand a bit on why your top scum-reads are what they are. Reading your filter I can't find many reasons for your scum-reads. Can you write a short summary on why you scum-read these people: EBH, HF, Clarity? Wow you think obi's town read or you makes him look towny? "yeh i dunno.. Activity!" that's what you like about him ruxxar? | ||
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I like how you ignore the last sentence though. I simply was in no position to think clearly about the game and now i am. This is the most bull shit opportune vote of the century though. I stake my reputation on you being mafia. Have fun after my flip because people will 100% afk sheep me. | ||
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On July 16 2015 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not a solid mafia read, but I'm fine with your lynch now, make of that what you will. I've given my reasons. If you are town reread me and make damn sure you're happy with your scumread because if you're town then you are losing us the game. Actually I'm not losing anyone the game. Why does me being wrong on you change a read? I think my reasons are entirely legitimate and besides that why would it matter anyway? I've just posted my thoughts all cycle and you have said nothing about any of it other than it could be a bus. Ok clarity mr not do anything for 3 solid lynches and blames the guy actually giving solid reasoning for his reads. | ||
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Remember guys : Lynch clarity for super opportune reasoning for mafia reading me. Lynch rsoul (ls i'm looking at you to sheep the meta about us arguing) for doing nothing for a million cycles and having a benefit of the doubt read on me and saying my afking while sniping wasn't scummy and now her read has defaulted to me being mafia BEFORE she made that read for no reason whatsoever even though me getting lynched here is entirely different to me getting lynched last game. Maybe lynch obi. Get his answers. | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:04 Breshke wrote: Could wos really be scum HTS? Like i get the modkill could make him not post like at all but even before that it was like meh. Why did noone push wos for mafiarollingitis wasnt he mafia with trfel in that game? Or is it because meta says he can play like this? Because he does it more as town? | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:16 Breshke wrote: HF where is this coming from. Like i get im a shitter but you actually have a scumread why even bring up no lynch Nobody is listening? Ls is rsoultins bitch and won't listen to reason. Hts doesn't even read the game and spouts nonsense. Bf/you/me are logical and ruxxar hard defending me is crazy/mafiay but nobody has talked to me about this clarity thing at all lol. How can he possibly think my scum read on him is opportunistic in the slightest? Alienating someone hard town reading me the whole game is silly. He said it's because he was voting me so an easy switch which still doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. How does he go from a strong town read against all sense to a scum read even though he says all my points are logical. | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Hf, you said earlier that you agree that your pushes were opportunistic. And now you are doing this? Where? Only 1 rsoul push was and i instantly dropped it and tried to get people to talk about it instead. Hts simply implies ive had multiple opportunistic reads which is a gross misrep. | ||
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I've been "hard townreading" HF all game but this is the first time he's called me scum for it, which is very timely as he's the one getting lynched. That and the martyring followed by coming back when it looks like he's actually getting lynched are the reasons for wanting to lynch him now. Who on earth ever says this lol??? Where is the incentive for mafia hf to do this at all? | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:26 Clarity_nl wrote: The moment I vote you and look like I want to lynch you you suddenly call me scum, it makes no sense from a town perspective to only do this now, as according to you I've been calling you town all game (pretty much true), but only now it makes me scum. But how does this make sense for mafia holyflare to ever do???? Where's my play to survive here???? It doesn't look like shit. You voted me out of spite for being angry why would i suddenly assume you scum read me instead of policy like you mentioned 8 times already. Then i play and policy turns to scum read because you like my points. You even like my points on you. Ok clarity. | ||
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YOUR READ ON ME HAS CHANGED FOR THINGS IVE PREBIOUSLY DONE IN THE GAME LOL. That you town read me for. So why aren't you mafia again? | ||
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"hf is scummy for all of his play even though that already existed! Even though i like all of his points, even on myself and obi! " Better vote this guy after I'm gone guys. | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:47 LightningStrike wrote: Guys don't let Holyflare argue his way out of being lynched he done this before I swayed a ton because of his im my last game this time I not letting him get away with it. Check Carol of the Bell, and Himalayas where he was up for lynch he really good at arguing his way out of being lynched. Dude just get the - redacted- out of this game. You are pathetic as confirmed town. What are you doing? I don't care if I'm lynched but do you think it's acceptable for you to comment on 0 posts today? I sure don't. | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Clarity pls. He just proposed that we do a super anti town thing of no lynching. That's on the same level as damdred being jk and visiting ritoky. Aka never happening. Lynch hf. i thought we would still have 2 lynches, like what, you expect me as mafia to assume people won't do the quick maths and figure it out? | ||
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On July 17 2015 01:53 LightningStrike wrote: I wont promise anything. I am so glad you are confirmed town. What a shining beacon of how a confirmed towny should play. I should sheep your reads more often because they are so correct all the time. I am so glad that your inability to read the game enables you to make such informed decisions about lynches. I am so glad that once again you lead town to their demise. It makes me all warm inside. Thank you dear lightningstrike. Thank you. I can be free now. CYA FOR GOOD TY <3 | ||
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lynch rsoultin for being "angry" at me saying she's done nothing and in her angry post says that she's done nothing, she's had 1 scum read since day 1 on ruxxar and magically her scum read on me returns for the shittest reasons even though they always existed but she town read me past that anyway lynch clarity for being a massive hypocrite and saying that i'm mafia for doing the least mafia like play ever and then scum reading me despite hard defending and town reading me all game even though he likes all the points i brought up on himself and obi lynch obi for not being able to answer a straightforward question such as what his scum reads were before va and me, his scum read on va was a spite vote which somehow became a 100% mafia with hf vote and he refuses to explain why even though that's what he scum reads va for (even though he scum reads va for playing like va) and also his clarity read completely disappearing entirely even thoug everything he posted towards clarity looked like it should be saying clarity is mafia, his list of town reads were all "activity" even though he was told activity is not a good metric for any of them - rsoul decided to comment on this point only at the start saying yes activity is not good but never made a read on obi, remember that i still dunno about ruxxar - probably biased because he's town reading me for very logical points, probably ends up mafia but i don't care because his points are the only objective ones lol | ||
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On July 17 2015 02:05 Oatsmaster wrote: I would expect you as town to do the math and figure it out. You made a mistake, you pay. well i actually wanted 2 no lynches, i said it before for the nk info instead of 2 potential mislynches because i think the nk's will be far better info | ||
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On July 17 2015 02:10 Oatsmaster wrote: I die, ls dies, breshke dies, trfel dies.. Wow much info. so why doesn't hts/rsoultin/clarity die, you think you are townier than them? | ||
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On July 17 2015 02:12 Half the Sky wrote: I swapped my vote to HF. As for the gross misinterpretation I'm referring to his pushes on Ras, trfel and myself early in the game. I debunked the meta read at least twice and even Harkon mentioned a major discrepancy with you (specifically clashing with town leaders) for me being town earlier on reading the same game. I totally want ruXxar to die as well but of course that's not going to happen. Well not today anyways. I should have shot you n2 and just gone with my gut :/ QUOTE IT LOL. Where is the misrepresentation. WHERE WHERE. How can you say it's a misrep when rsoultin herself the person being the antagonistic ass hole AGREED with the trfel case? HOW? Where did I misrep you in the slightest? Where does that exist? How do you know that is the case if you ignored all of my posts and only ever answered one right at deadline? Is that my fault you played like shit and ignored a town player and perpetuated my read when you know that i get tunneled on people? You keep mentioning aperture and forgetting all about it. Pathetic. | ||
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People should read this post from aperture where i tried to solve the game and town side hardcore and hts posted all the same things she posted here (read her filter in aperture) so knows absolutely nothing she says makes me mafia at all. It's literally the same phrasing too "opportunistic" bla bla. Don't count her out from being mafia at all. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Honestly even if I didn't scumread Hf I'd still vote him out of spite. I'm fucking tired of him and I want him to die. I've given him a number of outs and I've tried to talk about other people and all he does is scream scum in my face. Um, not really true, I actually said you might not be the best lynch today and I just wanted answers. Like twice today. What meta was wrong that I was pushing despite people telling me otherwise? | ||
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5) ruXxar (filter) 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) 21) rsoultin (filter) 22) Half The Sky (filter) don't lynch wave probably believe in geript too, don't lynch vivax probably (got towny vibes throughout the game, marv echoes sentiments quiz him on inconsistent shit on day 1), bf is also a bad lynch for actually aligning with my thoughts today and on day 1, ls is playing standardly bad so ignore every word he writes, trfel is probably town for DMA and day 1 whine + inquisitive posts (wouldn't surprise me if he's mafia don't really care anymore so just call him town), never lynch breshke ever, oats towny for what i said earlier and his posts are good throughout the game he's just being awful today, EBH/VA is playing exactly like typical va so ignore obi's thoughts on his play being mafia orientated when it's just VA, he's been pretty involved and thinking about things personally wouldn't lynch for seeing similar things to what i see but whatever not gonna care if you lynch him because half of you are incapable of playing anyway leaves the team being a variant of the above left names:, for HtS read all of my day 1 and actually listen to BF because he knows what i'm talking about how she just doesn't care what's going on and posts nonsense a lot and just comments on things: On July 17 2015 03:57 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=308#6143 People should read this post from aperture where i tried to solve the game and town side hardcore and hts posted all the same things she posted here (read her filter in aperture) so knows absolutely nothing she says makes me mafia at all. It's literally the same phrasing too "opportunistic" bla bla. Don't count her out from being mafia at all. ^ read that too and realise how similar her arguments are but the difference is here she for some reason says everything i did in that same game makes me mafia On July 17 2015 02:06 Holyflare wrote: as an addendum I really am going to martyr now because you can all sheep me as your punishment for being shit and mislynching me: lynch rsoultin for being "angry" at me saying she's done nothing and in her angry post says that she's done nothing, she's had 1 scum read since day 1 on ruxxar and magically her scum read on me returns for the shittest reasons even though they always existed but she town read me past that anyway lynch clarity for being a massive hypocrite and saying that i'm mafia for doing the least mafia like play ever and then scum reading me despite hard defending and town reading me all game even though he likes all the points i brought up on himself and obi lynch obi for not being able to answer a straightforward question such as what his scum reads were before va and me, his scum read on va was a spite vote which somehow became a 100% mafia with hf vote and he refuses to explain why even though that's what he scum reads va for (even though he scum reads va for playing like va) and also his clarity read completely disappearing entirely even thoug everything he posted towards clarity looked like it should be saying clarity is mafia, his list of town reads were all "activity" even though he was told activity is not a good metric for any of them - rsoul decided to comment on this point only at the start saying yes activity is not good but never made a read on obi, remember that i still dunno about ruxxar - probably biased because he's town reading me for very logical points, probably ends up mafia but i don't care because his points are the only objective ones lol realise that when i flip town every single thing i have said this game has been honest and straightforward and then realise how shit rsoultin looks, then look at clarity for his play today and rescinding his hardest town read ever for no reason whatsoever, ruxxar is probably mafia for his hard defence of me but that's your choice, all his points have been super accurate and you should all feel bad for not even listening to mafia repeatedly. If you EVER let clarity say any variant of "oh it was just a policy it's hf's fault" lynch the flying fuck out of him because let it be known for the record that today he SCUM read me. SCUM READ OK. Make obi answer my cocking questions which should be the most straightforward shit in existence. Anyway, gg, you're all bad for thinking that I can pump out 45 pages straight after himalayas with no downtime if i was mafia again. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hf I'm perfectly willing to work with you but constantly accusing me over things that don't make sense isn't going to help you. I literally cannot be fucked dealing with your aggression. Even if you think you're just "being straightforward" you have no idea how unbelievably annoying it is dealing with. i haven't said anything about you for like 10 pages why are you so whiney? that's just a copy/paste of what i wrote earlier because you were being a douche and not responding to a word i wrote? answer my questions please, why is VA mafia for playing like VA does in every game and who were your scum reads before me and VA | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: VA playing like VA doesn't make him not mafia; it just means he's VA. Why should I spare him a lynch if there are a number of active people trying to figure things out and some antagonistic waste of space is sitting in the corner just being useless? I'd be perfectly willing to consolidate on him over you just for sheer funsies/take-out-the-trash factor; regardless of his flip, he's basically a nonentity and should die just for playing the way he's playing. You might think he's being reasonable because he's not one of the people pushing you, but I can't really care less about him and I'd prefer him gone. As for other scumreads, I've been rotating between inactives/skirt-by-the-wayside players like Vivax/WoS so there's not really a whole lot going on there. I could kill any of those. So he's not an actual scum read lol? Why are all of your town reads based on activity when that is a bad metric to read all of those players? Why not use that metric for me? | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:40 Vivax wrote: Don't really like Obi as the alternative wagon. Would much rather kill Wave or Trfel methinks. none of those players, why are you so hell bent on trfel now he's actually participating? | ||
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just like it doesn't ever apply to rsoultin and to an extent ruxxar too | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm happy with a switch to ruxxar even though it's gonna suck to figure out HF properly afterwards. no you mafia read me you lynch me, there is no getting out of it now | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:48 Vivax wrote: HF did you talk about why Trfel is supposed to be town earlier so I can go and start drowning in your massive filter looking for it? Well you hated me day 1 for dropping him and I dropped it because of that bitchy post he made where he said he plays like this before or whatever and made a case defending his play or some shit, basically DMA and then he did the same thing last cycle too about his rl problems or whatever so a bit of DMA there and his thought processes this cycle haven't been particularly bad and he seems a bit lost which i like | ||
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so you can stick to your policy/fake mafia read you made, duh? there's no backing out now | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:52 Vivax wrote: Dunno what DMA means, but the stuff in spoilers is indeed very voluminous. I'm fine with scrapping Trfel today then. Let's kill VA then? ##Unvote ##Vote EBH dick move analysis, basically don't think he'd whine this much as mafia | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:52 Clarity_nl wrote: No seriously you advocate this whole be rational thing and then as town you're yelling to lynch you over ruxxar? why on earth do you give a shit if you think i'm mafia? | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:52 Vivax wrote: Dunno what DMA means, but the stuff in spoilers is indeed very voluminous. I'm fine with scrapping Trfel today then. Let's kill VA then? ##Unvote ##Vote EBH don't particularly want to kill VA :D :D :D | ||
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Totally rational. It's also nice to school LightningStrike for playing badly. | ||
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On July 17 2015 03:57 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=308#6143 People should read this post from aperture where i tried to solve the game and town side hardcore and hts posted all the same things she posted here (read her filter in aperture) so knows absolutely nothing she says makes me mafia at all. It's literally the same phrasing too "opportunistic" bla bla. Don't count her out from being mafia at all. clarity what do you think of this post from a different game and does it look similar to the reason hts is voting me today? | ||
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nah breshke's one of my top towns lollllllll i just gave my list of people obi, ruxxar, clarity, rsoultin, hts | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Waaah, people are scumreading me so I'm gonna stop playing waaaah. Martyr yourself and then call confirmed townies bad, waaaah. Yes, so keep on scum reading me and don't bother questioning it. I don't particularly care. People will realise your scum read on me was complete bs soon. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:01 Vivax wrote: Yeah let's do Breshke, cmon people ! ##Unvote ##Vote Breshke On July 16 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote: I also NEVER said lynching damdred over milo would be bad i said it didnt matter at the time WHO we lynched because i was under the assumption there was 1 RB and they were BOTH mafia. In wich case the two claimed investigative roles who had claimed a the time that i believed were never getting a cheack off no matter who we lynched. didn't hate his explanation | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:08 Clarity_nl wrote: It was a policy, then it wasn't. Pay attention. yes that's exactly what i said, you scum read me but you're whining that i'm martyring so why do you care if it's a scum read? | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:10 Vivax wrote: Except Damdred claimed JK and not an investigative role and Bresh was aware of a roleblocker, so this explanation sounds pretty bad. no he's saying that if there is 1 rber then even if you lynched him our investigative roles still both die and don't get a check so lynching milo is better for info, at least that's how i read it, don't hate the sentiment | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote: clarity what do you think of this post from a different game and does it look similar to the reason hts is voting me today? also is absolutely nobody going to comment on this? | ||
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On July 16 2015 13:41 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: yea if anyone is still townreading obi after he's scumreading himself then I suggest this be your last game of mafia On July 17 2015 05:04 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I'm more sure breshke is mafia then obi so obv i will switch to this but need to see HF's answer what changed here btw? why did obi read just drop completely? | ||
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I realised it's better for everyone if I'm dead and you can lynch rsoul | ||
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On July 17 2015 06:33 Breshke wrote: HF which scum read are you most confident in rsoultin and also read this post after i die: On July 17 2015 05:41 Holyflare wrote: also is absolutely nobody going to comment on this? | ||
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On July 17 2015 06:55 ruXxar wrote: In case I am wrong on HF and there's mafia on him that's going to do some last minute shenanigans I'm going to switch to HF to ensure we don't get a no-lynch. of course you are | ||
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ls is bad | ||
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On July 23 2015 08:22 Clarity_nl wrote: Holyflare you kinda pissed me off with your martyring and I feel like I coulda stopped your lynch so for what it's worth I'm sorry about that. yes well like i said, there was an incredible amount of out of game stuff happening, I could have also stopped my own lynch but there would be no way i could continue to play in this game a few more cycles with the way things were going and figured it was best to get me out of the way so you could actually see that rsoultin was mafia.......................................... still following a policy because you didn't like the things i was doing when you were hard town reading me was silly and that's on you | ||
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HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted 07-21-2015 01:19 PM ET (US) Edit Delete like seriously nobody even reads games anymore or looks at post in the context of the thread, that's why they all play like shit and think things look good when they read filters there have been 0 cases from townies on anyone in this entire game since vivax and myself died 0 you know how fucking stupid that is? they tried to lynch va yesterday for no reason, they are lynching clarity today for no reason that anyone has explained, nobody is playing mafia they are just saying other people are mafia | ||
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On July 23 2015 08:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Honestly I see scum martyr all the time. You did it like 3 times that day. Only the second half of that day did you start looking townie again and at that point I was fed up. It's my fault for not overcoming that, but you can't say it's all my fault and none of yours. This conversation comes up every game and martyring is incredibly null but either way i'm not saying it's exclusively your fault at all. I also still don't understand that argument at all. I'm dying/martyring and you're a person that said that if i do work then you'll town read me, at what point is it logical for survival to mafia read that person if i'm mafia? Trfel did the exact same thing to you today saying you changed reads at an opportune time and you laughed at him and said he must be mafia. Can you now see my reaction to that? | ||
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I can see that a lot in people's play. | ||
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And no i just hate all of you equally | ||
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VA on the other hand is different :p | ||
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On July 24 2015 01:32 Half the Sky wrote: I probably don't have room to talk since I relied on meta more than I normally have in my games, but the meta reads on me were terrible, only OWS actually understood that I don't play anything the same between minis and large games and that lack of pushing people in a large game was not mafia indicative like some people thought it was. Luckily it wasn't a real problem as I wasn't in too much danger of being lynched but it was pretty annoying with the tunnellers (i.e. Boxerfred/Holyflare). well when you purposefully ignore me for an entire cycle, there's only one person to blame -.- | ||
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On July 24 2015 01:48 Half the Sky wrote: Ahhhh so you are saying Ras had to do that to keep her options open. That makes sense. And HF, I think I told you why I purposely ignored you. I probably would have done it regardless of my alignment (even if I was scum). I'm not saying it was right, but I wasn't particularly fond of how you were dealing with things, although now that I know you were possibly having RL issues that further compounded it, probably doesn't help but it just reminded me of how you as scum could possibly try to disrupt me from scumhunting or reading or furthering myself and I was wrongfully afraid the same thing was happening. I considered what you did to me in Aperture, but you did the same thing in Himalayas (I realise I didn't articulate that one well). I don't really understand this at all. All I did was scum read you for legitimate points and ask you questions for you to respond to and you just went crazy and ignored me while calling me mafia? Didn't make any sense at all???? I don't ask that many questions as mafia at all and certainly don't want people to be able to explain themselves properly. Don't do that again plz! I wasn't really having issues day 1 which is why it's incredibly odd. | ||
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