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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:16 GMT
#6001
So what you're saying is that because you're town that people shouldn't waver on you being mafia at all? its a mafia trait to be unsure when (to you at least) everyone is wrong? I don't think you have the correct approach to what makes someone mafia if that is the case. Despite that, me being "sure" someone is mafia and backing off that is also not something i do as mafia ever because you would be by far amd large the easiest mislynch in this game right now.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 13 2015 16:18 GMT
#6002
On July 14 2015 01:16 Holyflare wrote:
So what you're saying is that because you're town that people shouldn't waver on you being mafia at all? its a mafia trait to be unsure when (to you at least) everyone is wrong? I don't think you have the correct approach to what makes someone mafia if that is the case. Despite that, me being "sure" someone is mafia and backing off that is also not something i do as mafia ever because you would be by far amd large the easiest mislynch in this game right now.


But this will go through without you, as I"m sure you're smart enough to realize. You'll also realize that when I flip town, people will look at who was most certain about my lynch. Which is about everyone, but still you're the careful sort of mafia. You decide to defend me today, so you can separate yourself from a clear mislynch, and use the position of high ground to throw scum on the others who did push me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:21 GMT
#6003
You say I'm trying to always steer town in the wrong direction too. You can't have both facts be true. Either you are town and me not wanting to lynch you today was steering town in the right direction or you're mafia in which case that fact wouldnt maKe sense. Im either mafia for saying you might be town or mafia for trying to save you today? Lol? Not to mention rsoultin was in your scum reads day 1 and 2 and i was pushing her all game (hts day 1 too) so I'm not sure in the slightest how that read makes sense in your mind. Doesn't that mean you are guilty of the same thing? When does being wrong change to being mafia? Where am i focusing on the minute details because in pretty much the entirety of my reads it has been overarching gameplay points I've been making?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:22 GMT
#6004
On July 14 2015 01:18 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2015 01:16 Holyflare wrote:
So what you're saying is that because you're town that people shouldn't waver on you being mafia at all? its a mafia trait to be unsure when (to you at least) everyone is wrong? I don't think you have the correct approach to what makes someone mafia if that is the case. Despite that, me being "sure" someone is mafia and backing off that is also not something i do as mafia ever because you would be by far amd large the easiest mislynch in this game right now.


But this will go through without you, as I"m sure you're smart enough to realize. You'll also realize that when I flip town, people will look at who was most certain about my lynch. Which is about everyone, but still you're the careful sort of mafia. You decide to defend me today, so you can separate yourself from a clear mislynch, and use the position of high ground to throw scum on the others who did push me.


Perhaps you don't know how we play but that is the most opposite effect that i would have ever thought of.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2015 16:23 GMT
#6005
yeah if HF is mafia it is 100% not because of that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 13 2015 16:25 GMT
#6006
Classic holyflare, defends himself against every point my scumread makes by responding directly to them in a bombastic over the top nitpicky way.

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:27 GMT
#6007
Well when i see something outrageous i get carried away. I also don't know why you keep saying its a defence when I'm clearly trying to figure out how he can possibly think those things when it's another situation entirely.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 13 2015 16:28 GMT
#6008
On July 14 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote:
Well when i see something outrageous i get carried away. I also don't know why you keep saying its a defence when I'm clearly trying to figure out how he can possibly think those things when it's another situation entirely.


Nah you're just picking apart his shitty argument, you could just call it shit instead and then post baby seals
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 13 2015 16:29 GMT
#6009
I was scum with HF last game, and I have a townlean on him this game.

In general I find HF hard to read, he doesn't conform to the stereotypic mafia player.
There are however small nuances that I think makes him town this game, compared to last game.

1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions.
Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid.
I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business.

2) He's more wishy washy. This doesn't mean that he IS wishy washy in a general sense, but in a relative sense compared to last game. Especially the night when were lynched BM he seemed a bit all over the place, uncertain where to go. You see that he sometimes have a hard time picking a target to lynch, I can relate to that very well.
That isn't the scum HF I played with last game. He mainly picked one target and stuck with it, and didn't waver much.

3) He's re-evaluating his stance.
You can see multiple times throughout the game that he's re-evaluating his stance on people.
This is apparent in how he's re-evaluating his stance on both trfel, hts, milo and others continuously, jumping from towny to scummy based on their actions/reactions.

That's my opinion on HF so far this game, I don't agree that shooting him is a good idea.
If anything, shoot Rsoul.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:29 GMT
#6010
Well picking apart an argument is how you play mafia.....? Wut?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 13 2015 16:31 GMT
#6011
On July 14 2015 01:29 Holyflare wrote:
Well picking apart an argument is how you play mafia.....? Wut?


He's being lynched bro. Either you think he's scum and you're happy or you think he's town or you're not. If you have doubts go read his filter, at this point he's clearly given up, whatever his alignment is.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:32 GMT
#6012
On July 14 2015 01:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2015 01:29 Holyflare wrote:
Well picking apart an argument is how you play mafia.....? Wut?


He's being lynched bro. Either you think he's scum and you're happy or you think he's town or you're not. If you have doubts go read his filter, at this point he's clearly given up, whatever his alignment is.


Right and if he's town he'll have a logical explanation for all of his thought processes and me picking it apart for more information helps me get a read on him. I don't think it's as dead set as everyone makes it out to be and i sure don't want to just afk while he gets lynched.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 13 2015 16:34 GMT
#6013
Who would you lynch if not milo?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:35 GMT
#6014
The person my vote is on because trfel made a good point/case
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 13 2015 16:41 GMT
#6015
So scott is scum because:

- He called you town but didn't talk about my first post calling you town
- He isn't townreading oats but likes his case
- He wants to lynch rsoultin without giving reasons

Meh.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:47 GMT
#6016
On July 14 2015 01:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
So scott is scum because:

- He called you town but didn't talk about my first post calling you town
- He isn't townreading oats but likes his case
- He wants to lynch rsoultin without giving reasons

Meh.



No he said I was town because of my first post and it was a mindmeld but then said it also could be constructed beforehand but still town read me anyway.

The oats thing is pretty valid if he's sheeping that persons case. A town lean would be good at least?

Dunno about the last. Rest is underwhelming play that isn't really explained properly and a smidge of poe.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 13 2015 16:48 GMT
#6017
On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote:

1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions.
Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid.
I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business.

Sorry, but this is exactly what he has been doing this game too.
Don't like this post in general.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 13 2015 16:49 GMT
#6018
On July 14 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2015 01:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 14 2015 01:29 Holyflare wrote:
Well picking apart an argument is how you play mafia.....? Wut?


He's being lynched bro. Either you think he's scum and you're happy or you think he's town or you're not. If you have doubts go read his filter, at this point he's clearly given up, whatever his alignment is.


Right and if he's town he'll have a logical explanation for all of his thought processes and me picking it apart for more information helps me get a read on him. I don't think it's as dead set as everyone makes it out to be and i sure don't want to just afk while he gets lynched.

It is dead set barring a miracle and you know that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#6019
Bla bla bla words that i don't care about. Maybe he's town and capable of shitting town rainbows and if that is the case prodding him is great. Just because you are all underwhelming and are afking on his lynch without asking him any questions at all does not mean I am going to join the underwhelming club with you.

Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid


This just proves you havent read my filter at all because that's just not the case.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 13 2015 16:53 GMT
#6020
Well that last quote was meant to be jat's post not a direct quote.
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