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On June 05 2015 08:45 VayneAuthority wrote: This guy is mafia. Notice how he tries to insert himself into the playful banter so as to fit into the crowd, but doesn't actually care to continue it or give a reasonable out. He simply drops his comment in and that's it to expand his filter and get townie points. On top of that, his post has 3 As in it and I think he is trying to breadcrumb here that he is a triple A member, but that is impossible if we are to believe the average town member is of Onegu's stature, a poor farmer who probably doesn't even have a car. It doesn't add up. Therefore, I state my conclusions to be appropriate. I can see no flaws with this reasoning. | ||
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First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. | ||
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On June 06 2015 16:33 prplhz wrote: Sure, there's a town narrative that fits for Artanis[Xp] but not if you consider that he's Artanis[Xp]. Artanis[Xp] hasn't been lynched in like 15 town games. Survived or night killed every single one of them. Is that because he pulls shit like this as town? Or is it because his town is extremely solid and he can rely on just playing normally to not get lynched? How do you reconcile Artanis[Xp]'s meta of never getting lynched as town with his behavior this game? Do you think this is the behavior of someone who never gets lynched? I've never been mislynched either. Is it because of my sterling town play? Just feels like a silly metric to me. On June 06 2015 16:34 prplhz wrote: @fuba What do you think about marvellosity's read on boxerfred? The read where he says bf's opening sounds different than bf's newbie mafia game? I think it sounds like barely a read. Is that supposed to dissuade me from thinking he could be scum? On June 06 2015 16:35 prplhz wrote: like, fuba coming in here with nothing but an inconsistent artanis read and a scum read on the new guy who talks funny is seriously underwhelming I really have trouble understanding how my D1 returns to the thread are consistently underwhelming, when they're almost always the same kinds of posts. Literally 100% of my town games involve returning to the thread to have at least one person declare my entire post scummy, without actually addressing anything that I've said. On June 06 2015 19:19 justanothertownie wrote: Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded. Case in point. On June 06 2015 20:05 boxerfred wrote: well I said "I tend to no-lynch" not that I would do it straight away. Fuba why so hard on me when I push yamato the slightiest? Also ignoring what I said, and simply suggesting that the entire thing is a defense of yamato. brb shower | ||
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On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote: Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. Hmmm, this is likely irrelevant. | ||
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On June 07 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote: is my read on you reasonable, fuba? I agree that it's quite difficult for me to post as scum. Though if you look at my most recent game, "difficulty posting" has kinda slipped into my town play as well. Currently trying to remedy that situation XD So I guess your reasoning is sound, though incomplete. | ||
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I'm not going to concern myself too much with marv. I don't know how to read him, and his play as either alignment is beyond my ability to scumhunt. I see him as one of those players who's either dead in the first few nights or lives all game and is eventually lynched as scum. That being said, I kinda expected his vote to switch off me when I started participating, with the vote returning on D2 if I don't keep it up. As far as yamato goes, I actually felt somewhat similarly to him regarding the crumb. In retrospect, from Artanis's POV, someone specifically (but presumably accidentally) pointing out that crumb might make me believe that it's now incredibly obvious to mafia. I even kinda related to him when he basically said "do what you want, I'm not gonna be a part of this lynch". @NaCl: what's the major difference between yamato's reaction and my own? @marv: How do you feel about NaCl's boxerfred read? @boxerfred: I can't read your post atm, gotta get to work. Will do it though~ | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:54 NaCl`y wrote: So your intention is to flail around like a stroppy child? Duly noted. To everyone else. I think my points on Yamato77 are pretty good. He saw that 2 townies had claimed roles and was not hesitant in the slightest about believing Artanis[Xp]'s wildly (to me at least) strange breadcrumb but then also believed that I was a towny too. His first reaction to me outing my role was in fact: which doesn't display any kind of hesitance for my alignment either. I think he was dealing with too much information and made that known with his responses to the entire situation. Please vote for him with me. Though this... this might change my mind. Will think about it. Time for work XD | ||
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Read boxerfred's response to me. I guess I can see it from his POV. If he's truly a new player who's been busy with kids, I can see him just kinda letting D1 happen and stepping back in D2. Bothers me that he said he was gonna catch up on the last few pages, but has yet to comment on anything, really, that doesn't directly involve him. If no one else is going for him, I guess I'll switch? But that leaves me with few choices, really. I agree with JAT's not-lynch list (and I add JAT to it, as well). Yamato is probably the one I see the most actual scum potential in, though it's mostly because I'm not entirely sure how to read FF or even VA all that well. Chezinu I have no idea whatsoever how to read, and the same almost goes for slam. It's mostly a POE vote, coupled with the fact that I just kinda expect more out of him as town. ##Vote yamato77 | ||
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I'm gonna have to think about who I want to lynch instead, though. | ||
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(At work for the next few hours) | ||
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On June 08 2015 22:57 NaCl`y wrote: His newbie game has walls of text of involvement. I don't think bussing is strange in the slightest either. Your post gives me massive hesitancy about your alignment though. Why are those things unlikely? VayneAuthority, chezinu, Alakaslam are all chronic afkers despite their alignments. People having hesitancy about my alignment is the standard way of things, so I'm kinda glad we've returned to it. Was making me uncomfortable. I haven't read his newbie game. Might do so tonight. But I don't really see the point in comparing this current game to his single previously played game. Speculating on how he might play town based off of his scum game is silly, and without having at least one of each, you can't even attempt to form some kind of meta read. What I think is silly is light bussing pretty much immediately, and then remaining on that nearly the entire day. Admittedly, at the end, BF went balls to the wall against yamato and anyone not voting for him. As I said earlier, it could be TMI. Can't fault anyone for thinking that. But I see it as a town newbie, excited that his first scumread was getting lynched. He doesn't seem concerned with how the thread sees him (until he's actually called out on it). He seems genuine. I would probably see it differently if it was someone who wasn't in their second game. Yeah, I never said it was anything more than that. It's pretty much all I can say about Vayne though. | ||
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On June 10 2015 00:00 Half the Sky wrote: Alright Marv (from your quote on this), I am also having this same problem with this quote he says on Vayne. Vayne doesn't post much as either alignment, and even as scum he's not as tryhard as he was supposedly before (well I learnt that the hard way in Aperture 4). I also don't understand the associative read that he makes between yam and VA here. Fuba are you referring to the timing of the vote here that makes Vayne scummy? Had to read this more than a few times now. I checked the vote count and VA voted Chez so I am completely confused by this? In any case looking at the rest of the filter, I still would have expected some followup if he had a problem with Vayne. Even a one-liner for what it was worth. This was mostly in response to what BF was saying about Vayne. BF was saying Vayne was scummy, and I pointed out what I saw as the most potentially scummy thing about Vayne at that point. The fact that it was so flimsy was meant to imply that I don't really think vayne is scum (or, I should say, I really have no idea what to think about vayne), but I apparently didn't convey it properly. | ||
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In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. | ||
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Right now, I'm still thinking BF is town. Though I'm gonna read his previous game to see if I get the same feeling from him there as I do here. And I have little idea about Vayne. The only thing I directly remember about him is his reaction to yamato flipping (which was either just an honest town reaction or scum wifom) and the fact that he reposted his post about me from our last game together (which would seem to indicate he's a survivor XD). So... my current VA read is a whole lot of *shrugs* | ||
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On June 10 2015 00:26 justanothertownie wrote: Do you have any reads that do not consists only of shrugs? Mmmmmm mostly town reads. I'll put in the effort of deciding who, among people I don't know how to read, is scum, when the lynch isn't already decided. On that note: ##Vote Chezinu I want to see what his death promises us. | ||
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On June 10 2015 00:59 marvellosity wrote: poor fuba This cuz you think I rolled scum, and you know I hate rolling scum? | ||
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On June 10 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Everyone but a few selected weird people hates rolling scum. Excuse me, I'm having a private conversation with marvipoo. | ||
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On June 10 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote: naw, it's the heavy assault you're being subjected to. my statement proffered no opinion on your alignment Oh, I'm used to being assaulted. S'all good. | ||
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On June 10 2015 01:05 marvellosity wrote: also can we not bring our snugglebunny names into the thread pls Alright, sweetie ~ | ||
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On June 10 2015 01:07 marvellosity wrote: i hope you don't make a fool out of me for quasi-defending you Don't worry, you're right if you think I'm town. I wanted to try out in-thread banter. Not sure how I feel about it. | ||
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How is this a mafia claim? | ||
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He clearly seems to be claiming cop. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote: why be vague about being cop in his situation also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then. And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote: So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. Hmmm... this is a good point. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote: He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote: Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote: Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc. I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here. Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:26 prplhz wrote: if chez checked marv red and thinks marv is scum, why is he telling people not to lynch marv? and we can sort of figure out "there could be millers in the game" on our own. Where did he tell people not to lynch marv? | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:29 prplhz wrote: eh, i mean him saying "my cop check could be wrong". why say that if he really thinks marv is scum? Hmm, true. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:29 Half the Sky wrote: In this example, he's pretty blatant if this should happen to be from a real check. At least there he's giving direction... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/98457-gg-red-army-mafia?page=53#1041 On June 09 2015 12:33 Chezinu wrote: What is this, then? | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote: Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue? | ||
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Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote: And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:45 Mig wrote: This point is still accurate, chez wouldn't "forget" about a game he was a dt in. He's clearly just fucking around at this point. ##Vote Chezzy Bleh, that's a good point too. I'm just gonna give in on this one. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:51 Half the Sky wrote: Salty has a very good point though on potential setup issues here. The DT/2 prot claim. Secondly has Chez fakeclaimed as scum before? Or talked in clues trying to fakeclaim? You've looked at it from a town side, but did you consider the mafia side, I think Salty it was alluded to the rolecop possibility? Especially since the town gameplay largely isn't there. Yeah, I think in general I give far too much benefit of the doubt. I have considered the mafia side, and I originally found chez's actions regarding marv unlikely from scum, but when I checked the timing I can see why chez would begin this cop fakeclaim. I mean, if he is fakeclaiming I think he did a real good job of it, but the timing is strange, I guess. Either way, I'm not gonna persuade anyone, so let's see how it plays out. | ||
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On June 10 2015 04:12 NaCl`y wrote: I don't see why you stand by this statement following the evidence provided. Please explain. I see more possibilities than most people. That's about it. | ||
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On June 10 2015 04:23 Fecalfeast wrote: I honestly haven't read closely enough to check, has anyone called this post out? If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your posts with "reasoning?" What exactly do you mean when you put quotations around "reasoning?" Because it's not the reason for my read. | ||
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On June 10 2015 04:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I assume you answered my last question as that's the only one that remotely makes sense. If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your post? Why are you concerned with how your read is perceived, to the point where you will pull reasoning out of your ass? Because getting mislynched is against my win condition. | ||
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On June 10 2015 04:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I guess, to me, it's scummy to make up reasoning. Regardless of whether you're trying to avoid lynch or not. It's not exactly that I make it up, as much as I try to build up reasoning I feel others may agree with to go on top of my own read. Which, when I put it like that, sounds a lot like how I imagine scum build their cases. | ||
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On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote: grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. | ||
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Indeed. It can't be helped, however ^^ | ||
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On June 10 2015 05:22 prplhz wrote: there's at least one scum on chez. Actually lol'd XD | ||
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On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote: That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. | ||
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On June 11 2015 04:28 justanothertownie wrote: Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever. And my thought was that he simply went a step farther. Once chez dies as cop, we will see that he was cop, and lend more proof to his read on marv. Obviously I was incorrect, but the fact that no one else even saw it as a possibility really confuses me. In any case, I still don't see how it makes me scum. Like, I'm having trouble seeing my play this game from a scum perspective. Am I more likely to think chez is cop if I'm scum? Am I more likely to even lightly defend BF as scum (though that is a read I'll have to reexamine going into D3)? And given that everyone considers my reasons for reads to be shitty, why wouldn't I just make a shitty fake scumread on someone? Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I didn't just take artanis's claim at face value. I thought about it for quite a while. So the only "absolute" thing I've said was about chez. And I still have trouble seeing why he would say/do those things as a VT. | ||
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On June 11 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, yes you are more likely to believe people who you know are town are a role and it is also more likely that you defend them. Explain to me why chez as cop would let himself be lynched when he has a redcheck on marv instead of saying that he has a goddamn redcheck and pushing for a marv lynch. My thought was that trading a blue for a red would be a good thing. Why he wouldn't just say it is because he's chez. Why did he make a creepy deathnote video rather than just typing in the thread? Because he's chez. Why does he speak in riddles and keep talking about "themes" (whatever that means)? Because he's chez. I haven't done a thorough analysis of chez's play, but his behavior made sense in the way I've described it based on my rudimentary understanding of him. As for the first part of your response, that doesn't make sense. So I'm more likely to falsely believe someone is a blue role simply because I know they're town? And if I defend every townie because I know they're town, then how do I get any of them lynched? That's bullshit. And you skipped the last bit. If my reads are so flimsy and based on nonsense, then why don't I fake any scumreads? I could just be like, "I think mig is scum, his reads seem so fake", and that would be at least consistent. The answer is: because I'm being honest, and I'm town. | ||
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On June 11 2015 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: 1)Because you don't "fake" reads as scum. You call them town because you know they are and 2)you have a way easier time believing someone is blue instead of read when you know that he is not mafia. How can you even contest that? And even if it is chez he still plays to win and if he had a redcheck he would not keep it to himself the whole day and then get lynched without claiming. 3)No way chez would waste the opportunity to troll around with a redcheck during the day either. 1) It's possible I don't know how to play scum, then. I mean, you have to fake reads at some point, or you just end up with town reads on town, and scum reads on scum o.O 2) I think I understand where my confusion was. I thought your argument was that I was somehow more likely to see chez as blue than green, rather than more likely to see him as blue than red. That made no sense to me. I can see your reasoning now, and while I think I can see the merit in it, there must be some flaw, as you've come to the wrong conclusion about me. 3) That's precisely what I'm saying I thought he was doing all day. | ||
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