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On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote: I just want to go ahead and get this out. A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance. Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock: Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to: Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after. Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time. Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players: a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious), and, b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town. That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D Hi I am town. Your name is very fitting ^_^ I am inclined to believe the general tone of your post is townie, even though you do repeat yourself a little bit. | ||
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On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote: ##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town My gut tells me the specific diction you chose with regards to being 'morally' okay with it inclines me to believe you are townie. On June 03 2015 06:17 Tictock wrote: In regards to kicks question. I am pretty new to TL forums. Have played in 2 of the newbie games (the 2 most recent ones, including the ongoing one). I see a few familiar names, but most of you I don't know... and am HIGHLY suspicious of... And of course I know SL, who I may have to ignore. I apologize in advance if I start tunneling him, I have a tendency to do that. I think your intentional emphasis on the fact that you are 'HIGHLY' suspicious of people is scum-indicative. You are making sure we all know you are 'suspicious' of people, aka have imperfect information aka are town. A very roundabout and subtle way to go about telling people you are town. I think this is an excellent policy vote. ##Vote Tictock | ||
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On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote: @ ritoky Ok, I'll bite ##Vote ritoky For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum. I also find the direction you chose to push here with as much haste as you did to be mafia-indicative trying to appear townie rather than actual town genuinely believing what he is saying. | ||
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On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote: It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it. I actually love the read in bold. It doesn't necessarily clear you as town but I am inclined to like you more for the honesty. I fully retract my read on Kickstart but after continuing to read ritoky's posting I just really want to say I believe he is town. He's just very forward and open about his thoughts in such a way that I believe would be very difficult and bold to do as a mafia. On June 03 2015 06:49 Kickstart wrote: Check the TL Mafia Database in the username section, all users who have played are listed and all the games they have been in are in their spolier. Assume he means that is basically boiled down to how I think the game should be played, which is basically correct. But I would argue that everything I said is correct ----------------------- I was not pleased with ritoky at first but I like his recent posting and at least he is explaining things now. I want to hear more from milo now because everything he has done thus far gives me a scrum read on him, if only slightly. @ milo Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts: While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote. I actually think your re-hashing what other people said much more concisely is scummy. I had the same initial thoughts with regards to 'annoying read' vs 'scum read' because as a general rule it is a scumtell, but something about the specific sentence structure of how he said it gave me like a 'townie vibe' as a new forum player for some reason. If you are town I encourage you to remember that while lurking is bad that being too drawn-out and repetitive in your posts is just as bad on the opposite extreme. | ||
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On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote: Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- .... Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame. I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me. Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE I think this post is very towny and confident. | ||
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On June 03 2015 08:16 Fidei86 wrote: Hi all I've read through the thread just now. I only have one thought immediately off the bat, which is that I find it suspicious that milo comes out with the "if you lynch me for XXX, that's fine". The only thing that regular townies know is that we are not mafia, and that means that the one thing we cannot do is let ourselves be lynched without giving everything first. It's possible milo just felt a bit band-wagoned, but I thought I'd point that out. @milo - I'd like to hear your reasoning for why you said that. I also find your suspicion of milo to be very townie. I disagree with the read, but respect where it is coming from and think you are town for it. | ||
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On June 03 2015 15:11 Damdred wrote: Why? Whats the point of this? You don't really seem to do anything with this or push your policy lynch. Why is it even a policy vote when you seem to feel like he has done something scummy? After you post this theres one more post that is closely behind but you don't interact with ticktock nor do you push the idea instead you mark other posts and don't really explain anything? Your posts lack any form of concrete reasoning or thought and lack real thought process it seems. I don't think I like them With regards to Nydus - the fact that he comes out pushing the fact that he will policy vote Ritoky independent of his alignment - something which he is very well aware would appear scummy (wanting to just kill someone for how they are playing regardless of their alignment). I don't think he intentionally does that as a mafia and would have a much more clever strategy than it in trying to appear as town. With regards to Tictock - It isn't necessarily a policy lynch for me I stated I think he is mafia (along with my other scumread). I was more-so just agreeing with the individual who said he was down with 'policy lynching' him. In the post you're questioning I clearly explain why I scumread him before I vote him. I put clear thought into the read and explained my thought process behind it you simply chose to not attribute any merit to the read. I will concede I did not have any follow-up interrogation thereafter, but that was more of a me trying to get through the read and out some reads on the game as a whole in what little time I had at that moment than an intentional decision to ignore such a re-evaluation. | ||
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On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote: Was just checking in before bed, game has been somewhat dead past few hours, so I'll just leave a few of my thoughts. GG is my top scum right now. No questions. Was expecting him to at least react to my response or something... I'm unsure of Damdred, though he's earning town points in my book for reacting the same way I did to GG. I'd really like to hear from Onegu and def need to see more out of Scott. I hate to say it but scott could be scum atm. I've seen him lynched D1 twice now, when he was town he was active until he got tunneled and when he was scum he posted very much like he's doing this game. Quick little reads and short response posts. Also half his posts atm are just stating facts, nothing game relevant. Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here. Could you restate your response please? | ||
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On June 03 2015 22:55 Damdred wrote: Templars totally ignores my post to tell someone who said nothing really ij their post that they are town. Once again, I'm not ignoring your post. I had limited time to get through as much of the thread and give my thoughts on it as I could. Stop presuming things without complete knowledge of the situation. I am fully caught up to the thread at this point and here, why are you not responding to me? Why are you ignoring me? That is super scummy? See what I did there? -.- | ||
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On June 04 2015 00:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Templar I'm looking at you. Will you vote for Chocolate with me? I'm appealing directly to you because you're chatting it up in the All Stars group while you're not voting in this game. Sup? I don't really have a strong read on chocolate or yourself currently. | ||
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On June 03 2015 18:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I also find your suspicion of milo to be very townie. I disagree with the read, but respect where it is coming from and think you are town for it. With regards to me not putting Ritoky on my list after townreading him, it was merely a mistake. Ritoky should have been on that list of 4 town reads, bringing it to a total of 5. I find the large majority of the rest of your accusation (including these points actually which I don't consider strong even if they were correct) to be very weak. This coupled with the fact that both you and Ticktock have both gone against me after pushing on you leads me to the conclusion that I am merely wrong on one of you. I believe you both are still scum but doubt both of you, as a mafia team, would press back against me together. One of you is probably town and just mafia-siding with the other. I will apply the 'Chezinu rule' which scott brought up (more on this later) to determine that the more likely mafia between Kickstart and Tictock is On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote: @ ritoky Ok, I'll bite ##Vote ritoky For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum. Granted, I still think Kickstart's push on Ritoky is just as scummy. Now granted Ritoky isn't Chezinu, he has acted as a proxy 'Chezinu' this game. My push against both Kickstart and Ritocky could be tl;dr'd as basically an intuitive 'Chezinu rule' read for their early push against Ritoky for just posting gifs. That makes this post from Scott very interesting because I very much do not see either Kickstarts or Tictocky's play as resonant of 'Chezinu' but rather Ritoky's trolly gif-posting earlygame baited them both to scummily push against him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=33#644 I'm not sure how to read into Scott's alignment from this, what I believe to be a mis-analysis of the game at this point that is almost 'backwards' if you will. I'm not really going to change my milo/nydus reads in spite of them being suspicious of me because I don't really see it as alignment indicative at all. In all of my forum-games with people I play video mafia with, there has been A LOT of 'this is completely different from his video mafia play as either alignment' so I don't really fault them for their reasons for thinking I am scummy but I don't necessarily townread them more for it either. I'm just going to stick to my initial townread on them for reasons I stated in previous posts. More to come. | ||
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On June 04 2015 15:04 ritoky wrote: The only warning sign for me was his last post where he put milo and fid in town and dropped me out of it and didn't explain why any of that really occurred. Outside of that I don't see why people are "disappointed in him" or find anything he has done particularly scummy. I didn't drop you out of it, I merely forgot you on the tl;dr list.. Yes, milo and fid both made it on the list as well though. | ||
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On June 04 2015 15:30 Kickstart wrote: The post you just quoted was the one all of us found most suspicious, I pointed out how he just put random people in his town list without ever mentioning them before, check his filter. Also note how he just calls this and that person town based on what seems to be very little. All of that is odd to me and why my vote is on him atm, not sure how I feel about the votes stacking up on him though, makes me uneasy that people see him as an easy target, will see how it develops. I quoted the post where I townread Milo/Fideu. It was not random, it just isn't showing up in my filter for some reason you have to manually search the thread for it. Again honestly the only thing that is keeping me from thinking you are mafia is that I doubt both you and tictocky both push back on me like this as a team. I strongly believe one of you is mafia though because I think you are both playing extremely scummy and pushing on peopel for very weak, drawn-out reasons that spend too much time focusing on unimportant details. I encourage you if you are town to re-evaluate on the other and on myself because you're both townreading each other. I know I am town, I sincerely believe there is no way we are all 3 town. One of you is siding with a mafia pushing against another town who is pushing on you both for initially pushing on a town (ritoky). | ||
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On June 04 2015 17:37 Tictock wrote: @ scott My read on you had changed even before you posted your little quote + picture thing. Your a weak town lean for me atm. My initial read on you was actually kinda null. I mentioned you might be scum since I was noticing a similarity in your posts this game to last game where you were mafia. The whole thing was a pretty weak meta read tbh. In fact having reviewed some of the post game stuff from NSM X I see that you went inactive that game due to internet issues, not anything to do with alignment. Given that, I do need to give you a fresh read, so here I go. First I notice you've mentioned this a couple times... I kinda like your thought process here. Your saying that since nobody is even trying to defend him it suggests to you that he is Town yes? I see one flaw in that thinking and would like to use last game as evidence. Whats to stop scum from bussing their partner? That's what your team did last game when you fell under suspicion and were not around to defend yourself. Besides, there is one person who has been pretty outspoken about defending GG, and you just spent the last page interacting with him. Not sure how you missed ritoky saying this... The bolded part is just me picking at Nits again. I find it odd that ritoky throws in a subtle "I'm town" in the middle of his read on GG. Still his overall points aren't too bad, and even has me rethinking my own position a little. I'd still like to hear from GG himself though. It really does bug me that he'd scum me early on then ignore my reactions to it. Him asking me to restate my response didn't help, kus it also tells me that he isn't willing to do his own reading + Show Spoiler + this is a trend I've noticed in this community that REALLY bugs me. Reading is super important in forum based Mafia, if you can't be bothered to do it, imho, you shouldn't be here. It looks like GG might be new here, so maybe I'm overreacting. This has me questioning just how much you yourself are paying attn to this game. I'm not going to scum you for not having 100% perfect reading retention or comprehension though. Actually the whole interaction I saw between you and ritoky looked pretty good. This question to Kick was great, That tells me that even though you're scumming GG you are looking beyond him as well. That is great town thinking imo, scum would just focus w/e target they pick and try to get others to do the same no? I also like how you pointed out that my "read" on milo there was kinda bad. I don't really like the term "wishy washy" I think it's one of those political terms that attacks indecisiveness, but w/e you have a point. I was giving milo some benefit of the doubt for being new here and was mostly saying I need to see more from him to get a solid read. Thus far I'm not super impressed with him. He's a slight scum lean to me. I poked him a little when I was interacting with ritoky to see what he would do. Mostly I saw him deflecting and not wanting to get pulled into the discussion there. I did find it interesting how me mentions that he doesn't agree with GG being a good lynch. Actually... @milo Care to expand on your thoughts on GG? I really hate Kickstart's play this game if he is town because I think it's like super scummy, but just based on how the game has gone I think there is no way you can both be mafia and this post you made right here reads scummier than Kickstart's which i would have to attribute to misguided town at this point. You already have Kickstart's support at this point and both want to kill me. Why openly start doubting him now as a town? I think you are worried about losing the 'pocket' you have on him so you are intentionally expressing fake 'distrust' in an attempt to continue projecting town. You end your post simply concluding again that you continue to like your 'ally' though and think he is town for 'looking elsewhere in the game besides templar' for pushing scum on milo. I think it was all just very fake. Plus it lines up with the Chezinu Rule (which, again, I feel Scott misused here as Ritoky noted, but that it can be used as an accusation against Ticktock more accurately) | ||
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Ritoky Fideu Milo Nydus Suckslywhateverhisnameis Kickstarter Mafia: Tictock ##Vote: Ticktock | ||
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While I was unable to really discern either damdred's or scott's analysis from their content regarding me/tictock/kickstart, I believe they have spent a lot of time focusing on it. One of them is probably mafia as well tbh. | ||
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On June 05 2015 02:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Temp will you explain your Milo townread plz? It's been around since the beginning and you've never explained it, and I've been steadily pushing on milo since like 4 hours into the game. It seems to me like you'd have more of a read on me than "I don't find the Chocolate/VE interaction to be very telling" since I've been pushing on one of your stronger townreads. I suppose you're right I never did explain it (I thought I made a post on it but can't find it anyways). I sort of just read the way in which he was posting as genuinely honest I guess I thought I quoted the exact post where I 'townread him' but I guess I didn't. On June 05 2015 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I expected GGTemplar to try and read me FIRST, because I'd say that of everyone here, he probably knows my play the best - I've mentored him in Video mafia and we've played together on All-Stars. But it's like he's been ignoring my posts...only interacting with me when I DEMAND his attention. It's really odd and plays into my mafia read on him. It's kinda the opposite with Nydus, I didn't really expect Nydus to try and read me first considering we barely play together anymore and we haven't had many actual "post-game" interactions so-to-speak. But he read me relatively quickly (though he DID state reservation to reading me) and that kinda plays into my townread of him. I really like your analysis of my interaction with you this game it reads very townie to me if you're doing it as mafia you've done a great job replicating how I think you would feel as town. I have always been told I play very differently on the forum medium versus video medium of mafia. I also believe that, as a general rule, people are going to play differently across these medium and, at least with regards to how I scumhunt in both mediums, I believe 'tells' that you might have on one person in video-mafia and 'metareads' on a player aren't exactly the best way to read the game. I never considered myself to have a 'strong' read on you either in videomafia, sometimes I read you well, sometimes I don't. For that reason, if I am mafia and you are town, rather than attempt to fabricate an easy 'I think VE is town' read and go for a pocket, I merely avoided giving a read on you because, as I said before, I am largely uninterested in your push on Chocolate and don't really have a read on either of you from it. That being said, I am mildly inclined to believe you are town for the post quoted above. On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote: Well I am back, took me a bit to reread through the thread. :waves at Damdred:. Don't like Damdred railing on me at all and I still don't think he has given us what he promised earlier in the day, but I will save that for cycle 2. Don't know how much time we have so I will make this quick, I actually really like GGT's posting and defense recently, and on the complete opposite end I think Chocolate's has been just terrible. It doesn't seem like there will be enough support for a milo vote, and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment. I would just like to say that I don't like Onegus posting either, but I asked about it and everyone who has played with him tells me that this is normal from him, so I won't vote him today but if he continues like this I would never allow it to get towards the end of the game if this is all his posting is like. Also wan't to note that my two town reads are both on Chocolate, and that chocolate has put his vote on Onegu which will tell us nothing, which I find odd. I posted my initial concerns on him earlier and like I said his defense of himself has not been good at all, I can explain more later if necessary. ##Unvote ##Vote: Chocolate Multiple people, including this now confirmed town and another strong town read of mine (ritoky) have now posted speaking very positively of my recent posting yet Tictock continues to insist that it 'doesn't make sense'. I readily assume that if this many people are capable of reacting positively to it while TT continues to insist a tentative read in regards to my push on him, wanting to push back on me, but having too many people speak positively of my posting, that it would be natural for a mafia to be inclined to feign 'confusion' rather than continue to 'tunnel back against me' or 'flop on me and read me as town'. Also, I would like to point out that in the end, my conclusion to townread Kickstarter was correct. I say this to promote the integrity of my reads so I can get other villagers to follow me when I say 'vote ticktock' and 'I will add kickstarter to my town list' so that you people stop lynching my townreads and I'm not the only one voting my scumread at EOD. | ||
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More reason to like him imo. I am going to say based on Onegu's play and his push on damdred, one of them is likely mafia. The way Onegu is playing though there will not really be a way to get an accurate read on him, therefore it's going to be up to Damdred to project town to discern which of them is mafia. That being said, I already made sure to do this in the vote thread so here it is here as well ##Vote: Tictock | ||
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Onegu is basically playing a game that is going to be very hard to discern his alignment. He probably has really strong reasons for thinking Damdred is mafia if Onegu is actually town (it would be nice if he could share these instead of just claiming 'amazing at this game'). So my logic can be summed up as 'onegu is likely town with very good reasons for thinking that Damdred is mafia and I have no read on Damdred despite the quantity of his posting so it more likely correct than not" or Onegu is just lazy mafia. I know that isn't really a read but I've already given a bunch of reads and who I think should be lynched today (or preferably vigi-shot tbh, that is Tictock). I would love for the vigi to shoot Tictock thank you. | ||
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I still don't have anything on Chocolate. I don't necessarily scumread Onegu or Damdred to be clear, I just think there is likely one mafia between them and they both need to step up (this is more-so directed at Onegu in particular as he has posted very little and is just riding the 'im good at this game sheep me' card) | ||
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I don't think it's a good strategy at all as mafia I just try to read the game as if I was town, if I am townreading a town as mafia it's likely because I think I would be reading them as town if I was town, not because I am trying to 'pocket' them. | ||
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Like I'm not reading you any townier for the aggro if you're town I'm actually less inclined to listen to you if you're just going to spam ad hominem. | ||
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It doesn't matter if it is proper or improper to call it 'chezinu's rule' anyways. I think Tictock is mafia regardless. | ||
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Another one of my townreads died in the night. One whose top mafia was TT. One who TT initially pushed on at the start of day. TT is mafia. We are lynching TT today. He has not convinced me otherwise despite his gigantic posts in which he continually re-asserts how he is 'unsure on what to make of my play' over and over and over. TT is mafia. My previous case still stands and is added to with the support that the nightkill's top scumread was also him. ##Vote: Ticktock. | ||
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My continued townreads: Kickstart Ritoky Milo Nydus Fideu sicluck(shendel) Upper-Null: Chocolate VE Damdred Lower-Null: Onegu Scott Mafia: Tictock Honestly I think after we lynch Tictock we just start killing up the list. I am more inclined to believe that my townread on VE was a bit hasty, and I continue to not really have a strong read on chocolate but I just like the vibe I get from reading his posts. With regards to Scotts vs Damdred's large posts the past couple pages, I actually liked some of Damdred's points and the general direction he pushed. I can't say I got a scummy vibe from Scotts but I didn't get a townie vibe either. Onegu just hasn't done anything. There is probably one mafia hiding in my town reads//upper null reads. At this point my priority is getting Tictock lynched. The rest of you should start focusing on Onegu/Scott/Damdred/VE/Chocolate. I believe the rest of the mafia team lies in there. | ||
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This list is more accurate: Town: Kickstart Ritoky Milo Fideu Sickluck(shendel) Nydus Upper-null: Damdred Chocolate VE Lower-null: Scott Onegu Mafia: Tictock | ||
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I honestly find your push on him way over-the-top. There is a much better case against Tictock. | ||
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If you're mafia continue to defend him by proxy-pushing his biggest accuser. | ||
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Not looking good so far. | ||
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You were suspicious of chocolate because he 'bussed' Tictock knowing he is mafia and you didn't like his reason (which I still think is hasty) Or you just covered your partner by throwing scum on the person who pressured him. | ||
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You are pushing too hard on Chocolate. Doesn't matter, Tictock is the lynch today. Both you and Chocolate need to post more before I can get a solid conclusion on the situation. I am inclined to believe your posting style is for-the-most-part townie VE but the directions you are pushing and the intensity for which you push them is disproportionate to the amount of logic and substantiation you provide to justify said pushes. Not to mention there is no reason you would want to lynch me if you think I'm 'potential partners with Chocolate'. You would continue pushing on Chocolate, not myself. I could care less if all 3 of you died but I am very unimpressed with your filter and bully-tactics push against me for not following you on Chocolate when Tictock is obvious mafia. | ||
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VE you have been demoted to the lower-null section for said reason. Scott/Onegu there's an opening in upper-null if you want to project town. | ||
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If you're town convince me chocolate is more mafia than Tictock. Otherwise I'm going to get Tictock lynched today. | ||
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It's just annoying 'scumthrowing' at this point. VE gets mad at me for asking him to explain his chocolate read, tells me to reread his filter and quit being lazy, then does the same thing to me with regards to asking me constantly to explain my milo read (when I actually quoted the post at someone else inquiring the same thing). Other people have made very good arguments that continue to insinuate Milo is town with regards to unvoting at the expense of being modkilled. Tictock is mafia, he should be lynched today. VE is mafia-siding at this point; I have known him to do this as either alignment in video-mafia but what leads me to believe he is just mafia rather than mafia-siding town are how off his reads are (refusing to accept Milo as town, hard tunnel on Choco over minor reasons, ignoring Tictock who is easily the scummiest player in the game). Further, Ritoky, who he keeps appealing to support his scumread on Choco had Tictock as the most red/orange read in the game when Ritoky gave his last reads. I don't really have anything else to say about this. | ||
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Continue your cognitive bias VE. | ||
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On June 05 2015 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Town: Ritoky Fideu Milo Nydus Suckslywhateverhisnameis Kickstarter Mafia: Tictock ##Vote: Ticktock | ||
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It's really hard to find which is mafia-siding town and distinguish them from mafia. I wish the town in Onegu/VE could get better at this game. | ||
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Literally quoted this on the previous page. Youre not even reading the thread VE. I'm done with this dumb shit I really hope you are mafia if you're town this is pathetic. | ||
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##Vote: Tictock | ||
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On June 06 2015 21:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Like I shouldn't even have to point out the difference between Nydu's push on Ritoky and Ticktock's. I should say 'RE-point' it out because I already did it once. VE just is practicing selective reading right now and Onegu is doing who the hell knows what. | ||
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Mafia: Tictock 1 of VE or Onegu 1 of Damdred or Scott Town: Kickstart Ritoky Nydus Milo Sicklucker/shendel Fidei Chocolate | ||
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that was mostly for bragging rights post-game anyways I've had too many bad accusations put against me for pushing on mafia | ||
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now you're lynching me | ||
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On June 07 2015 23:11 Damdred wrote: Ok so all your going to do is say I found mafia on one person and be uselessbasically. I think tick can be and is probably town shrug no I'm going to say I'm not wasting my time repeating myself and going back and quoting my own fucking posts to contradict stupid-as-shit statements like that like seriously can I just roll hat-trick vigi and shoot damdred/VE/tictock and call it a day? | ||
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On June 08 2015 00:24 Shendelzare wrote: Here's the deal with forum mafia. You can't just be right you also need to be convincing and provide detailed reasoning. You need to do that for someone other than Tic. And reads change often the cycles are longer here than they are in video mafia. There is stuff you need to reevaluate. And you're not. (And neither is Milo to be fair.) And that makes it difficult regardless of your alignment. That's how all mafia works. Thing is, I already proved why Tictock is mafia and the rest of you are just slow. I reevaluated on him and gave him chances to convince me otherwise but he had pretty much done nothing but confirm my suspicions. Then people started insulting my reads as having 'come out of nowhere' or 'not making sense' so I sort of just stopped caring. To me tictock is obvious mafia. I explained the reasons why. People didn't like them. I think you are all wrong and I am right and I am being lynched for idiotic reasons, probably because I got too cocky and the rest of you find me to be pretentious at this point. Maybe if my vote at EOD was on Tictock instead of no one that would have helped but w/e. Kickstarter should have claimed sooner and I told him his push on Ritoky was bad as well. IDC. If by some odd chance Tictock is town as well then his push on Ritoky was bad too but instead of ever acknowledging my criticism of it he just backlashed against me like KS did. When I WAS RIGHT THE ENTIRE TIME so IDGAF I was right you were wrong get better | ||
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I've done more than enough this game to project town and I've pushed on mafia and even was able to discern a bad town (KS) pushing on a town (Ritoky) for bad reasons despite me really not wanting to and despite him calling me mafia. I am not OMGUSing or tunneling anyone I have re-evaluated and Tictock is obvious mafia the rest of you just need to get on my level. | ||
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