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The Milo Misunderstanding
From VisceraEyes Perspective
On June 03 2015 09:29 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote:On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.
I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.
Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet. LAWL Get voted scruuuuhhhhh I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy? Nah, I've thought you were mafia since you scumslipped that you knew Choco was AFK. You voting for me just gave me the incentive I needed.  I didn't know he was AFK, I knew he wasn't posting. This is the oddest reason to have a problem with me, considering all the other flaws in my reasoning.
This is the faulty reasoning. I thought that milo had "slipped" that he knew Choco was not in a position where he could respond to my accusations (which NydusHerMain noticed). This is based on this interaction:
On June 03 2015 08:04 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on. This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes. So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate. On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery
I don't know who you are either lol
As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear? m8 I had to go eat dinner and wanted to stir up some discussion with what little was present in the thread Reading the rest of the thread now
On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.
On June 03 2015 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like okay wtf....
How did milo know that Chocolate was AFK? He literally gave no indication that he was leaving, he said he was STILL PLAYING actually because he said "I'm gonna go look at something brb", how did milo know that Chocolate was in a position where he actually physically couldn't respond (i.e. grabbing dinner)?
So obviously me attesting that milo posted that Choco "couldn't" defend himself before Choco explained himself is factually incorrect. However, here:
On June 03 2015 20:21 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 14:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hmmmm...I DID get that timeline wrong. I'm not sure why that happened, I think maybe I got the sense that milo was typing his response to me WHILE Chocolate posted and maybe I took that and ran with it.
You're right. I did start typing the post before Chocolate posted, which is why I didn't bring it up.
is the end result of that suspicion. In the end, I COULD have been right about milo slipping, but ultimately it's more likely that he's just town and thought Chocolate had been gone long enough to warrant thinking I might be trying to accuse someone not around from his perspective.
My current read on milo has been detailed in this post.
On June 05 2015 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I agree with the sentiment about Milo being town - it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to just afk with their vote on a claim that late. The risk of losing that mislynch is too great for mafia to unvote just for the towncred of unvoting ASSUMING the lynch still goes through. I don't think it MAKES him town, but I'm not interested in looking at him any time soon that's for sure.
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EBWOP: To go further, ritoky also mentioned (and I agree) that it doesn't make sense for Milo to move his vote from a mafia perspective REGARDLESS of Chocolate's alignment, town OR mafia. If Chocolate is town why risk getting modkilled by doing anything at all? And if Chocolate is mafia WITH him the lynch could even end up on his partner Chocolate! A risky venture for virtually no gain in either case. Not completely outside the realm of possibility, but unlikely enough for ritoky to give him an Inno Child read.
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Plus, if I'm wrong and he's mafia, I get to say "I told you so D1" and push for a ban on him for playing against his win condition as mafia, inspiring all manner of drama in the Ban List Thread.
Win/Win
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On June 06 2015 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
tl;dr
GGTemplar
Meta - Temp would read me early. "Couldn't", in spite of ritoky thinking I was pretty obviously town.
Behavior - Has over-justified his early reads imo, and has attempted to remain consistent with his previous reads rather than reevaluate the game. OMGUS on me reeks of desperation.
Doubts - He wasn't voting EoD, risking modkill.
My Bias/Hypocricy - I still think Chocolate is mafia, and Chocolate was the other wagon yesterday.
Onegu rule applies to him also. I am down. But really the S named dude who replaced in is 100% mafia or Im not VT.
I am VT.
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On June 06 2015 19:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
tl;dr
GGTemplar
Meta - Temp would read me early. "Couldn't", in spite of ritoky thinking I was pretty obviously town.
Behavior - Has over-justified his early reads imo, and has attempted to remain consistent with his previous reads rather than reevaluate the game. OMGUS on me reeks of desperation.
Doubts - He wasn't voting EoD, risking modkill.
My Bias/Hypocricy - I still think Chocolate is mafia, and Chocolate was the other wagon yesterday.
Onegu rule applies to him also. I am down. But really the S named dude who replaced in is 100% mafia or Im not VT. I am VT.
How about lynch Temp with me today and I swear I'll take a good hard look at S-word regardless of the outcome of the Temp lynch? I'm REALLY sure about Templar, and my case is really good.
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Milo doesnt fall in the onegu rule as he wanted a policy lynch on me. Not scum read me.
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On June 06 2015 19:38 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 19:36 Onegu wrote:On June 06 2015 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
tl;dr
GGTemplar
Meta - Temp would read me early. "Couldn't", in spite of ritoky thinking I was pretty obviously town.
Behavior - Has over-justified his early reads imo, and has attempted to remain consistent with his previous reads rather than reevaluate the game. OMGUS on me reeks of desperation.
Doubts - He wasn't voting EoD, risking modkill.
My Bias/Hypocricy - I still think Chocolate is mafia, and Chocolate was the other wagon yesterday.
Onegu rule applies to him also. I am down. But really the S named dude who replaced in is 100% mafia or Im not VT. I am VT. How about lynch Temp with me today and I swear I'll take a good hard look at S-word regardless of the outcome of the Temp lynch? I'm REALLY sure about Templar, and my case is really good.
Sounds good.
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Damdred falls under the Onegu rule also. He goes from I cant read onegu well IDK need more time. To onegu looks really bad, he best lynch for no reason.
GG
S-word
Damdred
Scumteam^
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Also everyone go read GGTemplar's filter. He says he townread Kickstart, but he was suspicious of Kickstart MOST of the day according to his posts. The only reason he changed that read was based on some convoluted "Chezinu Rule" knockoff that "cleared Kickstart and implicated Ticktock". Yet today he's talking about how he "townread the confirmed jailkeeper".
This stuff is all in his filter guys, just go read it. Then go vote for GGTemplar in the voting thread. Now he's saying Ticktock is confirmed mafia, when his readon Ticktock was "I think Ticktock is an excellent policy vote". He never EVER said that he thought Ticktock was mafia outside this calling ritoky mafia early. Like, Nydus did that too, and HE even goes so far as to say that HE didn't CARE if ritoky was town or mafia! But somehow Ticktock is confirmed mafia, and Nydus is "losing points on the Null scale" or whatever bullshit he's spouting.
Don't let him manipulate you guys. He's mafia, and he's the lynch today.
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Day 2 Vote Count
Shendelzare(0): Onegu
Chocolate(1): Tictock
Onegu(2): Scott, Damdred
Tictock(1): GGTemplar
GGTemplar(2): VisceraEyes, Onegu
Not Voting (5): Shendelzare, Chocolate, milo109, NydusHerMain, Fidei86
Currently, Onegu is set to be executed. Day 2 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is located here.
Posting after the deadline and before the flip will result in a modkill.
UNJUSTIFIED FAILURE TO VOTE WILL RESULT IN A MODKILL
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GGTemplar Townreads Kickstart
A Fantasy In Quotation
On June 03 2015 10:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 06:24 Kickstart wrote:On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick
It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.
The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously. My point is that we need to foster an environment that doesn't allow inactivity, this is clearly the best environment to have and thus we should strive for it. How we will deal with people that are inactive anyways is another matter. Also people should, eventually, share most of their thoughts. Holding back your thoughts initially to build on them is fine, I already find some things scummy but I am waiting to add to this so as not to let the person/people I find scummy change what they are doing so soon. On June 03 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:I just want to go ahead and get this out. A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance. Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock: Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to: Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after. Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time. Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players: a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious), and, b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town. That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D saw good town environment, stopped reading. ![[image loading]](http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h38/mrcrapinson/GregFart.gif~original) Can you clarify please? I think you mean you basically eyerolled at my post at the second line and didn't bother reading it. Could you clarify what you meant, and in the future not post your thought in the form of GIFs and images? It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it. I actually love the read in bold. It doesn't necessarily clear you as town but I am inclined to like you more for the honesty. I fully retract my read on Kickstart but after continuing to read ritoky's posting I just really want to say I believe he is town. He's just very forward and open about his thoughts in such a way that I believe would be very difficult and bold to do as a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:49 Kickstart wrote:On June 03 2015 06:36 Tictock wrote:On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote:
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.
Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started. My first game on TL was with ritoky. I don't recall him doing graphics at all. I was going to double check that game, but I don't see it listed anymore? Check the TL Mafia Database in the username section, all users who have played are listed and all the games they have been in are in their spolier. On June 03 2015 06:38 Tictock wrote:
Oh like, he's policing how much people post? Assume he means that is basically boiled down to how I think the game should be played, which is basically correct. But I would argue that everything I said is correct ----------------------- I was not pleased with ritoky at first but I like his recent posting and at least he is explaining things now. I want to hear more from milo now because everything he has done thus far gives me a scrum read on him, if only slightly. @ miloCan you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts: On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote:
I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image.... On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:
##Vote ritoky While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote. I actually think your re-hashing what other people said much more concisely is scummy. I had the same initial thoughts with regards to 'annoying read' vs 'scum read' because as a general rule it is a scumtell, but something about the specific sentence structure of how he said it gave me like a 'townie vibe' as a new forum player for some reason. If you are town I encourage you to remember that while lurking is bad that being too drawn-out and repetitive in your posts is just as bad on the opposite extreme.
On June 04 2015 00:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Town:
Nydus
sicklucker
Milo89
Fideu86
Mafia:
Kickstark
Tictock
On June 05 2015 01:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:To address a few concerns in Kickstarts accusation that actually merit me addressing, I don't know if this post didn't show up in the filter or not but it explains my townreads of both milo and fideu - Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 18:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 03 2015 08:16 Fidei86 wrote:On June 03 2015 07:18 milo109 wrote:
I'm not exactly sure how to defend myself here. I decided to vote because I didn't like ritoky's play style. I made it clear that it was not for reasons of reads. I cannot justify my vote in terms of reads, as I've already said. If you lynch me for that, it's fine. Actual reads so far that I can justify:
I don't like the use of the word 'Unfortunately' in Kickstart's accusation of me. It seems to be an attempt to come from the point of view of a paternal town, who only sadly pronounces judgement. It's possible that he actually feels that way, but it feels scummy to me.
I'll read Damdred town for now just based off his questioning of me. He caught my mistake of logic, while Ritoky and Kickstart both seem to just dislike my vote.
Ritoky is still null for me. Still don't like the playstyle. Still keeping my vote.
No idea on the others.
Hi all I've read through the thread just now. I only have one thought immediately off the bat, which is that I find it suspicious that milo comes out with the "if you lynch me for XXX, that's fine". The only thing that regular townies know is that we are not mafia, and that means that the one thing we cannot do is let ourselves be lynched without giving everything first. It's possible milo just felt a bit band-wagoned, but I thought I'd point that out. @milo - I'd like to hear your reasoning for why you said that. I also find your suspicion of milo to be very townie. I disagree with the read, but respect where it is coming from and think you are town for it. With regards to me not putting Ritoky on my list after townreading him, it was merely a mistake. Ritoky should have been on that list of 4 town reads, bringing it to a total of 5. I find the large majority of the rest of your accusation (including these points actually which I don't consider strong even if they were correct) to be very weak. This coupled with the fact that both you and Ticktock have both gone against me after pushing on you leads me to the conclusion that I am merely wrong on one of you. I believe you both are still scum but doubt both of you, as a mafia team, would press back against me together. One of you is probably town and just mafia-siding with the other. I will apply the 'Chezinu rule' which scott brought up (more on this later) to determine that the more likely mafia between Kickstart and Tictock is Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote:
@ ritoky
Ok, I'll bite
##Vote ritoky
For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum. Granted, I still think Kickstart's push on Ritoky is just as scummy. Now granted Ritoky isn't Chezinu, he has acted as a proxy 'Chezinu' this game. My push against both Kickstart and Ritocky could be tl;dr'd as basically an intuitive 'Chezinu rule' read for their early push against Ritoky for just posting gifs. That makes this post from Scott very interesting because I very much do not see either Kickstarts or Tictocky's play as resonant of 'Chezinu' but rather Ritoky's trolly gif-posting earlygame baited them both to scummily push against him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=33#644I'm not sure how to read into Scott's alignment from this, what I believe to be a mis-analysis of the game at this point that is almost 'backwards' if you will. I'm not really going to change my milo/nydus reads in spite of them being suspicious of me because I don't really see it as alignment indicative at all. In all of my forum-games with people I play video mafia with, there has been A LOT of 'this is completely different from his video mafia play as either alignment' so I don't really fault them for their reasons for thinking I am scummy but I don't necessarily townread them more for it either. I'm just going to stick to my initial townread on them for reasons I stated in previous posts. More to come.
On June 05 2015 01:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 15:30 Kickstart wrote:
The post you just quoted was the one all of us found most suspicious, I pointed out how he just put random people in his town list without ever mentioning them before, check his filter. Also note how he just calls this and that person town based on what seems to be very little. All of that is odd to me and why my vote is on him atm, not sure how I feel about the votes stacking up on him though, makes me uneasy that people see him as an easy target, will see how it develops. I quoted the post where I townread Milo/Fideu. It was not random, it just isn't showing up in my filter for some reason you have to manually search the thread for it. Again honestly the only thing that is keeping me from thinking you are mafia is that I doubt both you and tictocky both push back on me like this as a team. I strongly believe one of you is mafia though because I think you are both playing extremely scummy and pushing on peopel for very weak, drawn-out reasons that spend too much time focusing on unimportant details. I encourage you if you are town to re-evaluate on the other and on myself because you're both townreading each other. I know I am town, I sincerely believe there is no way we are all 3 town. One of you is siding with a mafia pushing against another town who is pushing on you both for initially pushing on a town (ritoky).
On June 05 2015 01:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 17:37 Tictock wrote:@ scott My read on you had changed even before you posted your little quote + picture thing. Your a weak town lean for me atm. My initial read on you was actually kinda null. I mentioned you might be scum since I was noticing a similarity in your posts this game to last game where you were mafia. The whole thing was a pretty weak meta read tbh. In fact having reviewed some of the post game stuff from NSM X I see that you went inactive that game due to internet issues, not anything to do with alignment. Given that, I do need to give you a fresh read, so here I go. First I notice you've mentioned this a couple times... Still worries me no one defending GG much. I kinda like your thought process here. Your saying that since nobody is even trying to defend him it suggests to you that he is Town yes? I see one flaw in that thinking and would like to use last game as evidence. Whats to stop scum from bussing their partner? That's what your team did last game when you fell under suspicion and were not around to defend yourself. Besides, there is one person who has been pretty outspoken about defending GG, and you just spent the last page interacting with him. Not sure how you missed ritoky saying this... As for what I like, look at his filter. To me he highlights all but maybe 1 or 2 of what I thought were the most important posts in the first 20 pages and gives an opinion/read on them. He comments on kickstart's opening, he comments on SL/TT interactions, he properly reads me town, he comments on kickstart being bullish, he comments on nydus' entry, and then he addresses the questions posed to him after he catches up. It just reads as town reading the thread and commenting on stuff he finds relevant. The bolded part is just me picking at Nits again. I find it odd that ritoky throws in a subtle "I'm town" in the middle of his read on GG. Still his overall points aren't too bad, and even has me rethinking my own position a little. I'd still like to hear from GG himself though. It really does bug me that he'd scum me early on then ignore my reactions to it. Him asking me to restate my response didn't help, kus it also tells me that he isn't willing to do his own reading + Show Spoiler +this is a trend I've noticed in this community that REALLY bugs me. Reading is super important in forum based Mafia, if you can't be bothered to do it, imho, you shouldn't be here. It looks like GG might be new here, so maybe I'm overreacting. This has me questioning just how much you yourself are paying attn to this game. I'm not going to scum you for not having 100% perfect reading retention or comprehension though. Actually the whole interaction I saw between you and ritoky looked pretty good. This question to Kick was great, Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart? That tells me that even though you're scumming GG you are looking beyond him as well. That is great town thinking imo, scum would just focus w/e target they pick and try to get others to do the same no? I also like how you pointed out that my "read" on milo there was kinda bad. I don't really like the term "wishy washy" I think it's one of those political terms that attacks indecisiveness, but w/e you have a point. I was giving milo some benefit of the doubt for being new here and was mostly saying I need to see more from him to get a solid read. Thus far I'm not super impressed with him. He's a slight scum lean to me. I poked him a little when I was interacting with ritoky to see what he would do. Mostly I saw him deflecting and not wanting to get pulled into the discussion there. I did find it interesting how me mentions that he doesn't agree with GG being a good lynch. Actually... @milo Care to expand on your thoughts on GG? I really hate Kickstart's play this game if he is town because I think it's like super scummy, but just based on how the game has gone I think there is no way you can both be mafia and this post you made right here reads scummier than Kickstart's which i would have to attribute to misguided town at this point. You already have Kickstart's support at this point and both want to kill me. Why openly start doubting him now as a town? I think you are worried about losing the 'pocket' you have on him so you are intentionally expressing fake 'distrust' in an attempt to continue projecting town. You end your post simply concluding again that you continue to like your 'ally' though and think he is town for 'looking elsewhere in the game besides templar' for pushing scum on milo. I think it was all just very fake. Plus it lines up with the Chezinu Rule (which, again, I feel Scott misused here as Ritoky noted, but that it can be used as an accusation against Ticktock more accurately)
With Friends Like These, Who Needs Enemies?
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I explained my milo read multiple times.
It's just annoying 'scumthrowing' at this point. VE gets mad at me for asking him to explain his chocolate read, tells me to reread his filter and quit being lazy, then does the same thing to me with regards to asking me constantly to explain my milo read (when I actually quoted the post at someone else inquiring the same thing). Other people have made very good arguments that continue to insinuate Milo is town with regards to unvoting at the expense of being modkilled.
Tictock is mafia, he should be lynched today. VE is mafia-siding at this point; I have known him to do this as either alignment in video-mafia but what leads me to believe he is just mafia rather than mafia-siding town are how off his reads are (refusing to accept Milo as town, hard tunnel on Choco over minor reasons, ignoring Tictock who is easily the scummiest player in the game). Further, Ritoky, who he keeps appealing to support his scumread on Choco had Tictock as the most red/orange read in the game when Ritoky gave his last reads.
I don't really have anything else to say about this.
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Also you're wrong. There was no way Tictock could be mafia with Kickstart. I determiend Tictock to be the mafia which cleared Kickstart and listed him as town in my reads.
Continue your cognitive bias VE.
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Post only quotations that support your conclusion and ignore ones that contradict it to bend the truth further.
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On June 05 2015 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Town:
Ritoky
Fideu
Milo
Nydus
Suckslywhateverhisnameis
Kickstarter
Mafia:
Tictock
##Vote: Ticktock
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Also Damdred continues to look better than Onegu at this rate.
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What's sad is while I'm inclined to say it's as easy as Tictock with VE/Onegu, it's like impossible for that to be the team. VE pushing on Choco, Onegu pushing on Damdred. Both Damdred and Choco have better reads and are better projecting town than the people pushing on them though.
It's really hard to find which is mafia-siding town and distinguish them from mafia. I wish the town in Onegu/VE could get better at this game.
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Like how is Tictock not obvious mafia to everyone already?
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On June 06 2015 20:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Like how is Tictock not obvious mafia to everyone already?
Because your points make no sense and because you repeatedly fail to explain it adequately, in spite of it being so obvious to you that you call him confirmed town.
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