EPT[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 76
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Fidei86
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Chocolate
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They were from 2012 though, and since I'm not very old I have changed a lot since then | ||
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Fidei86
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Chocolate
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scott31337
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Slight towns on Onegu/VE/Milo109, but I'm pretty sure there's a vet in the scum team (Onegu/VE/Damdred) - Milo's eod1 unvote was pretty towny, but like I mentioned, don't give him a free pass if he keeps slacking Damdred's play hasn't been too impressive, and can see what he is doing as mafia Fidei/Chocolate/NYM - so if the above is true on the vets, then one of these are town. After D1 his play Chocolate's play went to shit. Choc- On June 08 2015 09:39 Chocolate wrote: TT VE someone else are mafia Just got to find #3 On June 08 2015 09:46 Chocolate wrote: probably you are #3 scott why the FUCK would you want to vote me And to answer your question - because you have shit the bed after day one, if it's legit vacationing or just reasons to not post - you also say who I think are town are mafia. If you are active and start doing some critical analysis, that help town with their PoE (Process of elimination) If everyone craps town rainbows, the mafia have no where to hide. NYM- On June 07 2015 20:28 NydusHerMain wrote: Oh and if chocolate flips scum I think the votes make it very clear who his scum team can and can't be. Day 1 Vote Count Tictock(1): sicklucker <- shendalakajfkldsjfldjsal Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86 Damdred(1) Onegu Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109 + Show Spoiler + Yes, I'm calling myself town even though it doesn't fall into the logic because I am  . I'm thinking that onegu is likely to be mafia, sorry scott, I just can't trust your meta reads over my own personal read that he's scummy. I think he's low hanging fruit and needs to be lynched. I'm personally reading templar but if chocolate flips, I think that templar is one of the most likely mafia team mates because of the way chocolate soft defended templar in chocolate's posts with almost zero mention of templar before then. I don't think milo just unvotes as mafia but I can't help but think that if milo voted on chocolate, chocolate would've been lynched instead of our blue. Probably town but if he was mafia partners with chocolate, it would make a little bit of sense. Dunno if he would risk it though. Blah, gonna call him town, it's too risky to do it as mafia. Those are the people that mostly come to mind in my thoughts. His list post here is allright - although he had GGTemplar as red, GG called him out that he's been mafia siding all game and wants SL back, and then he does his "Templar is town" with little time left before the lynch - to look better? His post here though On June 07 2015 20:16 NydusHerMain wrote: Rereading chocolate's filter, his reads don't seem to evolve naturally. It just seems really fucking awkward to read at all. Starting from this post to this post. For the tl;dr, basically he mentions scott being his top scum and when he starts to finally town read scott he doesn't ever mention why in between and randomly just says "oh obviously this read is different now" without even explicitly calling scott town. Looking at this post he finally gives his first set of reasons for his list of reads but he never actually mentions scott his once top scum and now obviously a town read. Now I want to note one thing, no templar read here and this is very important imo. I urge you guys to read this post very carefully. He calls scott town for his case against TEMPLAR (and scott was calling templar mafia and even was voting on him at this point based on the fucking chezblahblah rule) and never once mentioned templar until this point. Not only that, he calls templar likely town for what reason? That he's townier in his filter and that people are trying to bury his discussion under stuff. Scott's literal accusation versus templar is chezblahblah rule. What other reason could there be to bury his discussion under "stuff?" How could chocolate possibly be townreading Scott at this point? So let's cole's note this shit because my writing style sucks: - calls scott number 1 scum - never mentions scott until scott magically turns town (or obviously changed read) with no justification other than "posts more" - townreads scott for his chez accusation against templar who chocolate thinks is town - chocolate calls templar town for the first time in the same post claiming that people are trying to bury him with bs - chez rule Like wtf is this shit? Moving on, we look at the KS situation. Referring back to his initial set up reads in this post in case you guys don't want to scroll back up, we see that KS is "very unlikely to be mafia" for Chocolate. Another post reinforcing his belief. 2-3 posts later dem be flippin' dem pancakes lyke in dis post. Really, so after calling KS town this entire time, you suddenly flip because he votes on you use that pretty much dumb point to potentially push scum on him? The fact that he might be deflecting off someone? Okay. This post lacks any original thought but pretty much opens up the idea that he might just be saying KS is scum because he wants to live. Then he says this where KS magically jumps to the front of the line for scum after he said KS is really unlikely to be scum just because it's a vote between him and KS. The is literally making up points against KS in this post or at least it feels ridiculously ingenuine to me. Basically, my point is, nothing Chocolate says feels natural and it feels like he's just making up reads and giving reads for the sake of giving them. He isn't actually trying to scum hunt and he's flipping like a fucking pancake for no reason. There's no train of logic with him, only a survival instinct and for me, that's indicative of scum. I've also saved the best for last: "Cry me a riverrrrr" I've never seen a weaker and FAKER reaction than this. Makes me think he is a town lean though - He's going thru Chocolate's thought process and sees an unnatural flow. Fidei- A lot of phone posting and one liners - He also had to half scum me in that Ritoky WIFOM post. Fidei - can you follow up on this for me? On June 08 2015 18:55 Fidei86 wrote: I've just had a quick read over VE's filter and I'll concede that I was wrong - he has not been lurking Day 2. However, he did spend basically all of Day 2 going after Templar. I'm all over the place on VE right now. I need to re-read Damdred's filter, because I have this nagging feeling that one of them is mafia, and I can't figure out which. @TT I'll try and read Damdred's filter at lunch and come back with thoughts. Because you might be on something here. Keep re-evaluating guys, we got two ML's left, and we can get scum tomorrow, we'll have something to start checking with their filter and finding the other two. I have faith in you If I make it thru the night, I'll do some more digging, make Onegu post a case (You can do it!) among other things. | ||
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Chocolate
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Fair enough, I'll be able to be a lot more active now (though atm formatting is difficult so it's hard to build a formal case) No way I die tonight though so I'll be able to do some good work tomorrow | ||
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Chocolate
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Damdred
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Day 1 Tictock(1): sicklucker Chocolate(4): GGTemplar(1): Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, Damdred(1) Onegu Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109 Day 2 Tictock(4): GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Damdred(1): milo109 Strangely I am the only person to vote on both town wagons. Oneg and Shen (SL) wasted votes day 1. Milo didn't vote d1 (voted ks at first) risked some form of mod kill, wasted his vote d2. This begs the question if milo was so sure that Templar was town why did he waste his vote necessarily? I want to expand on this a bit before I move on to talk about players more specifically because something hit me. Day 2 milo wastes his vote on me, when he has a super hard town read on GGtemplar, apparently he also has a slight town read on Ticktock at one point saying Tictock is town. Same reason for my read on Fedei. Which he somewhat goes back on here, or shows some doubt because he thinks GG was right. On June 07 2015 22:02 milo109 wrote: Sorry for being away. Life and all that. Just got up, reading to read through. But let me start by saying GG is the wrong lynch today. He's the only one with reads that align with me. Obviously, since I'm town, that's a good thing. Who semi-locks themselves into a lynch order as mafia? Yes, he's tunneling on Tictock, but he might even be right. When someone is that convinced of a read they'll get lynched for it, they're probably town. Mafia would back off here, waver. But Templar is doing his templar thing and getting annoyed at dumb town. And I agree. He never ever ever ever, explains why the sudden shift from town reading tick to maybe GG is right to this On June 08 2015 07:06 milo109 wrote: Shoot. I didn't get back in time to see the Tictock wagon build. He would have been a much better lynch. He never pushes me, never pushes tick. Never elaborates on why tick is mafia. He NEVER voted with his townread Templar when he had the chance and the possibility of saving him. He also hypothesizes that there will be two mafia on GG Templar if tick is mafia, but never elaborates why tick is mafia he does state this however. On June 08 2015 09:08 milo109 wrote: IF ticktock is scum. Which I'm not certain about, though the votes on him look pretty good. Never explains beyond tick helped lead a lynch on town. The only thing milo has going for him is that he fell into the ambiguous rule d1 of not voting for good reason. This has me really questioning whether this is a decent reason to ignore him at this point. He keeps blaming everyone and even though apparently he can think critically and come to some conclussions such as Templar being town he is unable to come to any such conclussions on why some people are scum. Milo is really worth another look here. Also its bothering me more and more as tiem goes along that he had the state of mind to instantly unvote but not vote the other wagon to save the JK I suppose. Shen is really town. Keeps revisiting and trying to find things. Nothing much to say about this. VE is vomiting town I've said it all game and i'll keep saying it will never vote VE. 2 Tictock(4): GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Damdred(1): milo109 Ticktock is so town it hurts me this game or that I even slightly scum read him earlier due to his reactions.Constantly re-evaluating and pushing the thread, asking questions trying to figure out peoples alignments. Its such a radical improvement. I really think hes town, his case wasn't bad at all d2 and parts of it rang true. Its a shame it wasn't on scum but the amount of effort really looks town to me. Tictock(4): GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Damdred(1): milo109 Scott is more than likely town, I think hes a dick this game. But hes not my top town, hes worth another look as the game goes along, hes been combative for no reason. And his reads feel a bit to static at other points for me without a lot of re-evaluation going on as the game progresses. Also the whole thing about me bussing and saying he liked everyone else voting on Templar felt a little contrived and over justifiable reasoning for trying to vote with a scum read. And his read on me is weird at some points he just straight calls me scum and others he just says hes super paranoid of me. It just makes me feel so weird about him. Oneg... I think is town I didn't even know about the onegu rule I don't think it holds weight like the chez rule though. Anyway. Tictock(4): GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Damdred(1): milo109 This leaves me in a world where I have to figure out Fidei86, chocolate, and NHM. And i'm just not sure. Fi has been sorta meh at points but at othe rpoints I can really follow what he means and my gut says that hes probably town, and I haven't hated all of his postings. His reasoning for voting tick seemed pretty decent at points, I wouldn't lynch him tomorrow. I would probably lynch between Chocolate or NHM. I think I would rather a chocolate lynch. Granted we probably should of lynched him yesterday to figure out exactly what happened d1 and the more I think about it, milo unvoting but nto voting chocolate is really eating at me. His constant excuses and promises of activity is really telling to me that hes scum just skating by. I think that Chocolate is scum, he will be the person I push for lynch tomorrow. NHM i'm just nto sure a lot of his posting seems contrived to me and sort of fake, his scum reads really don't hold much and he has little to no justification or anything to go with them. So where i'm at right now is a scum team of chocolate NHM Maybe Milo Scott being in the outside on a maybe because what I said is really bothering me about him. Any questions i'm here for another hour or so. | ||
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Damdred
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scott31337
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milo109
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Onto the future: I want to lynch Damdred. He did indeed vote on both town. Why is he proud of that? He spends most of his post calling everything I've done except the vote scummy and then doesn't even have the courage to lynch me until day 5(Which if we don't lynch a mafia by then, won't happen.) He knows I have too much town cred over my unvote to lynch me, so he'll try to get courage cred by mildly scum reading me while mislynching town. If you keep lynching in the Me/Chocolate/Fidei/Templar circle you're going to lose. I believe that we are all town. If Damdred flips town I'll revaluate but until we lynch outside that world, we can't move forward. I implore you town, don' t be swayed. | ||
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milo109
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Damdred
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One you haven't in any sense of the imagination proved why I a scum to the thread, you have said that I led a lynch on town KS. Which is true, but town lynches town all of the time. Saying I haven't taken any stances is vastly untrue, town reads are stances, driving a lynch is a stance. You said that you thought he was correct or could be correct. Honestly if I think my town read is being voted off I vote the person who I think has a decent chance to be scum and try to not get my town read lynched? instead you were lazy and useless with your vote. I never said that you were pushing scum on everyone, not anywhere in my post did I infer that. In fact you are just stating that X is scum you aren't pushing it with any reasonable thought process. You are using contrived reasoning to try to prove that myself and tick are scum for pushing a town wagon. Which happens a lot. Once again you still haven't explained why any of us are scum, or why you specifically want to only lynch me, when I have taken a lot of stances this agme disproving everything you have said about me btw. Also chocolate has been breaking eveyr promise he has made this game, and you refused to vote him d1 over our only blue role? that makes no sense to me, unless you are 100% sure of his alignment anyway. As such i'm not really worried about town cred because generally only mafia CARE about how much town cred they have. For example you are relying on this "town cred" by unvoting without actually doing anything towny. Milo is scum I think actually. | ||
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milo109
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scott31337
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On June 09 2015 04:48 milo109 wrote: When I voted you, there was only two votes on Tick. If I'd been back in time, I would have switched to him. It wouldn't have changed anything, but you're right, that would have been the correct play. Still. Just because I think Templar was town doesn't mean I think he is correct on everything. I still don't think Tick is hard scum. My statement on the two scum in voters if tick rock is scum is for future reference. Just thought he would have been a better lynch than Templar. Which is correct, considering we know he was town. As for not pushing you, read my filter. Almost all of my posts have been defending town and trying to get you(scum) lynched. Also. How can you think I'm pushing scum on everyone? I've pushed hard on three people this game. KS/You/VE. Notice two of you are still alive. KS was a mistake that I panicked and tried to rectify. I didn't correctly understand plurality, and I didn't realize I needed to vote Chcolate, which I didn't want to do. Onto the future: I want to lynch Damdred. He did indeed vote on both town. Why is he proud of that? He spends most of his post calling everything I've done except the vote scummy and then doesn't even have the courage to lynch me until day 5(Which if we don't lynch a mafia by then, won't happen.) He knows I have too much town cred over my unvote to lynch me, so he'll try to get courage cred by mildly scum reading me while mislynching town. If you keep lynching in the Me/Chocolate/Fidei/Templar circle you're going to lose. I believe that we are all town. If Damdred flips town I'll revaluate but until we lynch outside that world, we can't move forward. I implore you town, don' t be swayed. Has your view on VE changed? So your scumteam would be Tictock/VE/Damdred, am I seeing that correct? "If you keep lynching in the Me/Chocolate/Fidei/Templar circle you're going to lose." is the only thing I really like in this whole section. On June 09 2015 04:55 milo109 wrote: Also I typed that on my iPhone. So look at it as my commitment to stop slacking. A couple paragraph post isn't going to put you in the "I'm not slacking anymore!" pile. Why did you post this?! To be like "I'm good now I did my part"? | ||
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Damdred
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You said Tick is possible scum, infact you did scum read him, or partialy scum read him. hes third on your list currently I believe as is shown in your filter. You are getting so defensive because i'm looking at you, so are several other people. And you still refuse to give any answer as why i'm scum, because your read doesn't hold any water. Promises are important in mafia, if you promise content and don't deliver on it... theres a good chance that you are scum, its a general rule. So defensive for no reason? | ||
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milo109
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GlowingBear
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Shendelzare, the Citizen - Vanilla Townie was shot. All flavors will be properly added tomorrow, with no exception. I want to apologise for the mess. | ||
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scott31337
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Shendelzare
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Really? Sigh. GGs everyone. | ||
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