[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 78

Damdred

15669 Posts

June 08 2015 23:05 GMT

#1541

A bit. But its a hard game.

Talk to me about Scott and TT, tell me why you think both are scum. which you would want to lynch and why.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 08 2015 23:06 GMT

#1542

It's a fair point against GGT though- he was being ridiculously defensive. And If KS had claimed a couple of minutes earlier I would have caught his post and switched my vote. But still. It seems harsh to speak ill of the dead.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

June 08 2015 23:09 GMT

#1543

On June 09 2015 01:41 Chocolate wrote:
I've been reading the filters of both VE and TT from d1. I'm on a phone so it would be hell on earth for me to do a shitton of quoting so here it goes:

Both call each other town pretty early on
Both push votes on townies (though of course I am not confirmed townie)
As soon as I park a very early vote on TT, VE scum reads me
I'm pretty sure all of TTs d1 list (GG, me, milo, SL) is town and gives him flexibility to bandwagon as he pleases
Additionally, although his posts regarding me are all cautious (need to read more, you are all three probably town) he puts me second on his list

I'll read n1 and d2 soon too but again I'm on my phone so it takes me a while to structure a post adequately
Still not sure who third scum is, at this point I'm finding damdred unlikely

"Both push votes on townies (though of course I am not confirmed townie)"
But you could know this scum.

Although Fidei's post was absolutely hilarious, everything I look into it (searching for VE in Choc's filter, etc etc) I could totally buy it. So we have to start somewhere.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 08 2015 23:13 GMT

#1544

My reasons haven't really changed from since before the EOD2 vote. Also I really hated Scott's reaction to my big WOT post. As far as I can remember, he hasn't been pressured at all this game. Nobody has really read him strongly as anything. He hasn't had to defend himself or explain himself. But after I posted, he posted like four times, seeming extremely riled up. But it seemed false.

And the more I read Scott and TT's interactions, the more they just seem like they're on the same page. Their thoughts seem to overlap, they never really give reads on each other, but rather just either make little comments back and forth. As I said, it reminds me of a man talking to a sock puppet. I'm actually going to try and get some sleep now, but if I can persuade myself to get out of bed, I'll go find some examples for you.

Finally, I'm shamelessly sheeping ritoky. Ritoky said two or three times that he wasn't sure TT was even reading the same thread as him. I'm not an experienced player, at all, but Rit was and given that I'm all out at sea, the one thing I feel safe clinging too is that he strongly read TT as Mafia. GGT did as well, but I'm honestly not sure I thought his reasons were any good.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 08 2015 23:19 GMT

#1545

I should also mention that Scott has been OMGUSing me. I can see why it happens though - as soon as he counter accused me I became even more sure I was right. Still, I recognise my posts have been hit or miss. Lots of people have said the same thing - I'm full of dumb tells and WIFOM, but I feel like throughout the game I have been giving my honest reasoning for my thoughts. People haven't liked a lot of the things I said from a logical standpoint, but I don't think it has been contrived or contorted.

milo109

466 Posts

June 08 2015 23:20 GMT

#1546

I just can't believe Fidei would be mafia. He is a more coherent and better version of me.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 08 2015 23:25 GMT

#1547

You don't have to pocket me, I already think you're town.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 08 2015 23:28 GMT

#1548

Looking at Scott's filter again, in fairness he did have me on his "would lynch" list quite early on. I'd forgotten that.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 08 2015 23:39 GMT

#1549

One more piece of OMGUS on Scott. He consistently said that he thought GG was town. At one point he said it was 70%. He never really walked back from it, and at one point he even said he thought we were going to mislynch. Yet, again he didn't do anything to stop the mislynch in progress. One time around, that's understandable. Hell, it happened to me the first round - I didn't think KS or Choco were Mafia. But for it to happen twice just reeks to me of a Mafia trying to make sure they sounded skeptical of a mislynch.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 08 2015 23:45 GMT

#1550

I'd like to hear from everyone else before I commit to a vote. People - we're in imminent danger of losing this game. I really feel like the town atmosphere is average. Lots of people are promising more text and then not delivering. If you're town and you want to win this, you need to start posting your thoughts in the thread over the next day. Commit to looking over one person you had as town previously. Post something. Anything. If we ML today then the Mafia can commit to a policy vote on any of the lurkers (especially Onegu) and ride the easy wagon home.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

June 09 2015 00:45 GMT

#1551

On June 09 2015 08:04 Fidei86 wrote:
Where did I say I wanted to lynch you? I can't read you well, and I'd probably vote for you over milo, but at the moment I'm questioning everything. But yes, if I had to give a list, it would be:

Town: milo
Null: Chocolate, NHM, VE, Damdred
Mafia: Scott, TT
Policy: Onegu

I recognise that's very "middle of the road" of me, I'm just struggling.

If you got rid of the "Unvote" thing, do you still think milo is town?

NydusHerMain

Canada492 Posts

June 09 2015 01:25 GMT

#1552

On June 09 2015 09:45 scott31337 wrote:

Show nested quote +

If you got rid of the "Unvote" thing, do you still think milo is town?

I've honestly just ignored his posts after the unvote thing... I'm just going to assume he's town, at least for another day. (I know this wasn't directed at me)

Damdred

15669 Posts

June 09 2015 01:43 GMT

#1553

If we ignore the invite I couldn't tell you why he was towm. So no.

why would you ignore him nhm?

Fei we shouldn't look at one person we should evaluate everyone today.

milo109

466 Posts

June 09 2015 02:52 GMT

#1554

Alright. I'll revaluate on Chocolate. If I look from a different light, he soft town read everyone who we have lynched. Then he sheeps a read on Kickstart to vote on him. It's possible I'm wrong on him. If there was one out of my town circle, it would be him.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

June 09 2015 04:44 GMT

#1555

GG Shen

What an evil scumteam to have killed off a replacement after one day phase (basically just enough time for her to get caught-up and get into the game).

Anyways, I prob wont be making many big posts tonight kus I have other stuff going on but there was a few things I wanted to respond to.

On June 09 2015 07:43 Fidei86 wrote:
I also don't know whether to read anything into the fact that after both mis-lynches, TT has come out and said "well, I guess they were just bad town". I've never been mafia, so I don't know what that's like, but as town mislynching feels like the worst shit in the world.

This is only true of my reaction to GG flipping town. I said Kick should have claimed sooner since that would have allowed Town to lynch someone else D1 and forced scum to NK Kick. Waiting to claim so close to EoD is fairly poor play in my opinion but it doesn't make Kick bad town or even a bad player, just was a bad call in that situation.

I have the day off tomorrow so while I wont be very active tonight you can expect more from me tomorrow.

I'm not sure if it's the best lynch but I'm going to do this for now... I'll explain why next post.

##Vote: Chocolate

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

June 09 2015 05:10 GMT

#1556

Ok so my vote on Chocolate shouldn't be a surprise really, but I'll explain why I decided to vote Choco over Nydus.

Oddly, it relates to this question...

On June 09 2015 09:45 scott31337 wrote:

Show nested quote +

If you got rid of the "Unvote" thing, do you still think milo is town?

Honest Answer: I'd prob be scumming the hell out of him.

I'm not a fan of his posts, I think they are weak and show no intention of pushing on scum. I'm not familiar with Video Mafia so it's possible this is a style he's developed playing that, but I have a hard time seeing town motivations in most of his posts.

However, I can't ignore his actions EoD1. I've thought about it time and time again and the most likely scenario is that Milo is simply town, who panicked at seeing Kick claim Jailer and not understanding how plurality works here simply unvotes.

Here is my thinking:
I imagine 3 possible worlds here.

1) Milo is Scum and Choco is Town.
If this were a reality then there is no way that Milo unvotes off a highly likely blue lynch. Vote switching might earn him a bit of towncred here, but it also draws tons of attention to himself. I don't find this very likely.

2) Milo is Scum and Choco is Scum.
In this reality, Milo's unvote makes some sense, but it feels like a stretch with the threat of a modkill. Here Milo would be unvoting for towncred, showing he doesn't want to lynch a blue, but unwilling to hammer his partner. I find this scenario quite possible, if a bit strange. You might wonder, "well wouldn't Milo buss Choco here for the double towncred?" and while that would be an option it does seem like weak scum play to hammer your partner D1.

3) Milo is Town (note if Milo is town it doesn't matter what alignment Choco is, since Milo doesn't know himself)
This is the reality I find most likely. Here Milo sees Kicks blue claim and in a panic unvotes but isn't sure who he wants to vote especially if he felt Choco was town. It is also very likely that Milo doesn't understand the voting rules here and doesn't realize that by unvoting he is liable to be Modkilled or that simply unvoting isn't enough here, he would have to vote on Choco to save Kick.

I definitely find that 3rd reality to be the most likely one that we find ourselves in. 1 is kinda stupid scum play, and thus 2 is the most likely option if Milo is scum.

So, I find that Milo's actions EoD1 only make sense from a scum perspective IF Choco is ALSO scum.

This makes Choco an even better lynch today IMO.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

June 09 2015 05:19 GMT

#1557

Last thing, though I know Scott and Fidei have mentioned this as well...

We are 6-3 today. We really cant afford any more mislynchs as it would bring us to 4-3 LyLo tomorrow if we don't lynch scum today.

Because of this I don't think Milo should even be an option to be lynched today. While his posts have left a lot to be desired his unvote D1 is a very weird move if he were scum this game. It's definitely not impossible, but since the only way I can make sense of it is if Choco is also scum I find Choco is the much better lynch.

It also helps that Choco had been largely scumread since D1 and keeps failing to live up to promises.

I'm nowhere near done looking at this game. I think I'll check a few filters tomorrow when I have ample time and post more thoughts based on them. I'll make sure to give Shen a fair re-read given her flipping town, and will also reread Milo just in case I'm missing anything on him.