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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 09 2015 08:54 GMT
#1561
I realized I haven't looked at Choco's filter lately...

And now i know why. There has been like one page of filter since EoD1... this is D3 now right?

Most of that is excuses and some other stuff. Here is what I picked out as interesting...

His first effort at doing something after disappearing after D1.
On June 08 2015 00:25 Chocolate wrote:
Though I think GGT may just be trying to exonerate himself if I get lynched today
In fact I feel that if I die and flip town a milo/fid/GGT team could be quite possible


Which flips pretty quick...
On June 08 2015 03:44 Chocolate wrote:
Actually after thinking about it I don't think milo is scum, you guys are right in that whatever he did at the end of the day is pretty indicative of alignment (though do recall he didn't actually change his vote)

Hopefully I have some time in the next few hours to make a vote, if not sorry


Then he takes this stand...
On June 08 2015 05:09 Chocolate wrote:
I'm voting TT

Don't wanna vote GGT because I think he's town.

GGT makes a compelling case (I know this is a shitty reason to vote someone but I had no time today) and since I think he's town I'm going TT

Really sorry for not being more productive, when I get back home I promise I'll kick the posting up a notch

Really? Choco thinks GG has the most compelling case D2? Wasn't he scumming GG?

What is Choco thinking himself though?
On June 09 2015 01:41 Chocolate wrote:
I've been reading the filters of both VE and TT from d1. I'm on a phone so it would be hell on earth for me to do a shitton of quoting so here it goes:

Both call each other town pretty early on
Both push votes on townies (though of course I am not confirmed townie)
As soon as I park a very early vote on TT, VE scum reads me
I'm pretty sure all of TTs d1 list (GG, me, milo, SL) is town and gives him flexibility to bandwagon as he pleases
Additionally, although his posts regarding me are all cautious (need to read more, you are all three probably town) he puts me second on his list

I'll read n1 and d2 soon too but again I'm on my phone so it takes me a while to structure a post adequately
Still not sure who third scum is, at this point I'm finding damdred unlikely

There he goes back on VE suddenly...

He also threw out this weak read on Shen
On June 08 2015 05:18 Chocolate wrote:
Actually I don't think Shen is mafia for this reason

If I were scum I'd never be as inactive as SL was the first day, even if I were about to get replaced
Shen being very active today tells me more that he is trying to do town more of a service than dispel the read people were getting on sl

He was also pushed moderately day1 before and after I brought it up which I don't have a good reason to feel suspicious but strikes me as fishy (though I do recognize that I was part of that crowd)


Sorry it's not much of a case... but that's all there was in his filter.

The flip in his reads looks pretty odd to me. It weakens my idea of Milo and Choco being scum partners that Choco would even suggest Milo as scum, but he takes back to read fairly fast so I'm not sure. He also flips really hard on GG while giving no reasons.

I also dislike how VE just suddenly pops back up in Choco's scum reads. I find it especially interesting because it looks like he does this AFTER he starts scumming me, then gives some weak association to backup why.

Honestly none of it looks good.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 09 2015 08:59 GMT
#1562
I think I'll stop there for the night.

I'm starting to like the idea of a scumteam of Choco, Milo, and Fidei atm...

Milo being scum makes a lot more sense if Choco is scum. I could also see Fidei being on the team since he has been supporting Choco a fair bit for very little reason.
I can take that responsibility.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9696 Posts
June 09 2015 09:13 GMT
#1563
On June 09 2015 17:22 Tictock wrote:
@ Onegu

Your still that sure of your rule?

Shen broke it as town...



2/3 isn't bad also damdreds reasons for scum reading me were so bad. And now he has dropped them for no reason.
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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 09 2015 11:11 GMT
#1564
My reason for supporting milo is the same as everyone else's - he flipped his vote at the last moment on KS despite risking a mod kill, when he could have very easily AFK'd through it and got the confirmed kill on a blue. Yes, I recognise that there could be some sort of next level play going on there. But given that nobody seems to have any frigging idea who is mafia, I think relying on something like that to at least narrow the pool of enquiry a little bit is helpful. I agree that the rest of his posting has been a little lacking. But then Onegu has basically done nothing but troll (and I don't count his harping on about the rule as non-trolly) and people are still refusing to scum read him.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 09 2015 11:46 GMT
#1565
@TT I agree with the general sentiment that you've played a good game up to this point. If you're mafia and you win, I think you will deserve it for sure. However, your last post makes me think things are starting to come apart at the seams a little bit, because a milo/chocolate team literally makes no sense to me.

The situation at the end of EOD1 was that it was 5-4 to KS. Milo, at the last moment, after the role claim, took his vote off KS leaving it 4-4. If milo was scum with Chocolate, there is literally no reason for him to come off the KS wagon. He knew that I was around on the forums, and clearly Ritoky was because he posted just after EOD. So there was a very real risk that the vote would flip to Chocolate. Why would you bus a fellow mafia on day 1 right at the last moment to protect a blue, when you could very easily just AFK through it. That makes no sense to me whatsoever. The fact that you're contorting things to this degree just to try and get some sort of wagon going on milo with Damdred is extremely suspicious to me, ESPECIALLY when we have Onegu who is a confirmed and unabashed troll as a much juicier target, if you're truly a flailing towny.

Honestly, the move also doesn't make sense even if milo is scum and Chocolate is town, because milo still would have no incentive to come off the blue for a different towny. This is a little less certain though, because I concede it is possible milo was doing some sort of next level play. But I think the strong likelihood is that he is town.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 09 2015 11:47 GMT
#1566
(Just to clarify, the reason I say he would have known I was around on the forums was because I was, and because I posted my vote on KS very late in the day. That he was aware of those things is an assumption on my part, obviously.)
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 09 2015 11:57 GMT
#1567
A less accusatory way of putting the above is "why do you think a me/milo/chocolate team makes sense?".
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 09 2015 12:18 GMT
#1568
Yesterday it was Templar/Choco/Me. Now after a -mislynching- we've added Fidei. Can we please consider outside those four? You surely can't believe that the team is exactly those three. I think we have the biggest chance to hit if we lynch outside this circle. Obviously I'm biased.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 09 2015 13:20 GMT
#1569
Onegu, care to explain the difference in your approach here to how generally unhelpful you've been this entire game?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9696 Posts
June 09 2015 13:36 GMT
#1570
Nope that is a ongoing game
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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 09 2015 13:59 GMT
#1571
Okay, well in that case, can I ask you do something similar here and give your reads on everyone (rather than just the chez/onegu rule violaters)?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9696 Posts
June 09 2015 14:32 GMT
#1572
Sure
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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 09 2015 15:17 GMT
#1573
(Just in case you're being pedantic...) could you do something similar here to what you did in the post I linked, and list your reads/thoughts on everyone, please.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 09 2015 15:20 GMT
#1574
(... and will you?)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 09 2015 15:40 GMT
#1575
Well Milo I've asked several times for you to explain your reads today and you won't. All you keep saying is we should lynch outside this group which isn't really convincing.

My reason for thinking you were scum wasn't bad you are just being bad oneg if you are town.

Also I don't think a choco fid and Milo team makes a lot of sense meh
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 09 2015 15:53 GMT
#1576
For people who have seen oneg play, is he the type to bus as mafia?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 09 2015 15:58 GMT
#1577
Everyone busses to an extent. But oneg doesn't bus needlessly usually
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 09 2015 16:23 GMT
#1578
Damdred as mafia is just a weird world for me... feels like it would have to be like damdred/VE/tictock which is unlikely imo... Just the interactions with chocolate, fidei, and onegu makes him unlikely to be in a team with them. Anyways, I don't know what I'm thinking. The past day is a bit fuzzy
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 09 2015 16:24 GMT
#1579
I want to go on either chocolate or onegu as my top lynch today and I want updated reads from VE. I thought VE was extremely towny but to be honest, his reasons for pushing scum on people have been pretty weak imo.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 09 2015 16:25 GMT
#1580
My top town for the day are probably scott and milo.
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