EPT[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 75
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Fidei86
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Shendelzare
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Yeah, when I first replaced in, I just assumed everyone was from the US or whatever so I thought I'd be doing monologues most of the game. That would be awesome. | ||
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Fidei86
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NydusHerMain
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Fidei86
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In the UK, we call it "tactical voting" - it happens all the time in our general elections due to our stupid electoral system. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
Both call each other town pretty early on Both push votes on townies (though of course I am not confirmed townie) As soon as I park a very early vote on TT, VE scum reads me I'm pretty sure all of TTs d1 list (GG, me, milo, SL) is town and gives him flexibility to bandwagon as he pleases Additionally, although his posts regarding me are all cautious (need to read more, you are all three probably town) he puts me second on his list I'll read n1 and d2 soon too but again I'm on my phone so it takes me a while to structure a post adequately Still not sure who third scum is, at this point I'm finding damdred unlikely | ||
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milo109
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Chocolate
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milo109
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Chocolate
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Fidei86
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Fidei86
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Shendelzare
Netherlands126 Posts
On June 09 2015 01:42 milo109 wrote: I swear I'm trying not to lurk, but I don't have much time to devote at the moment. I'm almost certain Fidei and Chocolate are town. I don't see why one of them would try to pocket me, and GG Templar flipping town proves that the reads we all share are legitimate. No. Just no. Maybe you're new to this so maybe I shouldn't be so harsh. Just because you all share the same reads does not necessarily mean all of you are town. That is very faulty reasoning since a scum player has perfect information (they absolutely know who is town) all he or she has to do is fake reads. The lack of skepticism (or substantiation) usually indicates someone is scum which actually would make some of the players defending Templar suspect as there were ample reasons to question his behaviour and at least two of us tried to give him a chance to work with town and resolve the issues he had but he blatantly refused. I went into Tictock's case for that very reason day two because if is he scum, there is going to be a problem somewhere in that case or his approach to things. Townies pushing townies is a lot more common than you think and it happens for many reasons. I will say this yet again being right does not make someone town and being town does not mean they will have the right reads. | ||
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Shendelzare
Netherlands126 Posts
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Shendelzare
Netherlands126 Posts
On June 09 2015 01:41 Chocolate wrote: I've been reading the filters of both VE and TT from d1. I'm on a phone so it would be hell on earth for me to do a shitton of quoting so here it goes: Both call each other town pretty early on Both push votes on townies (though of course I am not confirmed townie) As soon as I park a very early vote on TT, VE scum reads me I'm pretty sure all of TTs d1 list (GG, me, milo, SL) is town and gives him flexibility to bandwagon as he pleases Additionally, although his posts regarding me are all cautious (need to read more, you are all three probably town) he puts me second on his list I'll read n1 and d2 soon too but again I'm on my phone so it takes me a while to structure a post adequately Still not sure who third scum is, at this point I'm finding damdred unlikely I swear every post I read from you at this point screams mafia and it reminds me of that horrible case you had on KS day one. I would have hammered you if I was in play then because of the way you are framing your points. What is making either Tic/VE scum reads for their reads on each other? Like I said pushing votes on townies alone does not make some scum it's how they do it. Also the point about the D1 list is questionable when you don't consider how he prioritized or supported his reads, and having four scum reads means he's wrong on at least one so how he changes those reads should be more important at this stage. I had four scum reads when I gave my first list post so I knew I was wrong somewhere and I knew I had to re-evaluate. He is doing that FYI and so are a few others. I also find it interesting you find Damdred unlikely since at least one other player cites him for being cautious and you're calling Tic cautious so considering at least half this field is scum reading you (and if you haven't figured out already you are my top target) you might want to start pointing out some differences in where you're coming from once you're on a computer otherwise you're going to be held accountable for double standards in your reads. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On June 09 2015 03:06 Shendelzare wrote: I swear every post I read from you at this point screams mafia and it reminds me of that horrible case you had on KS day one. I would have hammered you if I was in play then because of the way you are framing your points. What is making either Tic/VE scum reads for their reads on each other? Like I said pushing votes on townies alone does not make some scum it's how they do it. Also the point about the D1 list is questionable when you don't consider how he prioritized or supported his reads, and having four scum reads means he's wrong on at least one so how he changes those reads should be more important at this stage. I had four scum reads when I gave my first list post so I knew I was wrong somewhere and I knew I had to re-evaluate. He is doing that FYI and so are a few others. I also find it interesting you find Damdred unlikely since at least one other player cites him for being cautious and you're calling Tic cautious so considering at least half this field is scum reading you (and if you haven't figured out already you are my top target) you might want to start pointing out some differences in where you're coming from once you're on a computer otherwise you're going to be held accountable for double standards in your reads. What? It's not the fact that he has four scum reads, it's the fact that I think all of them are town Them supporting each other is not a scum read in itself but it strengthens my scum read on each of them I still need to fully evaluate damdred but since he was getting a lot of heat from TT he wouldn't fit in my hypothetical scum team | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On June 09 2015 02:45 Shendelzare wrote: No. Just no. Maybe you're new to this so maybe I shouldn't be so harsh. Just because you all share the same reads does not necessarily mean all of you are town. That is very faulty reasoning since a scum player has perfect information (they absolutely know who is town) all he or she has to do is fake reads. The lack of skepticism (or substantiation) usually indicates someone is scum which actually would make some of the players defending Templar suspect as there were ample reasons to question his behaviour and at least two of us tried to give him a chance to work with town and resolve the issues he had but he blatantly refused. I went into Tictock's case for that very reason day two because if is he scum, there is going to be a problem somewhere in that case or his approach to things. Townies pushing townies is a lot more common than you think and it happens for many reasons. I will say this yet again being right does not make someone town and being town does not mean they will have the right reads. I fully agree with this fwiw | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
However, in my mind it was either me dying (I know I'm town) vs KS dying (20% chance he is mafia, 7% chance he is blue) So given what I knew it was only logical to persuade others to kill him and for me to seek self preservation | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
Two games before this, one as mafia, one as town | ||
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