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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2015 02:40 GMT
#1441
On June 08 2015 11:19 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 10:44 Shendelzare wrote:
On June 08 2015 10:12 Damdred wrote:
Explain your reads then chocolate


+1. I haven't seen much in the way of reasoning on any of your reads. Besides OMGUS.

Now I'm out.

I am going to post a decent amount tomorrow via phone because I have a very long car ride.

Next day I will probably be pretty active


Am I having deja-vu?

Pretty sure we've heard that one before...

Hope you keep the promise this time.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2015 03:51 GMT
#1442
Ok going through Nydus' filter. These are more or less my thoughts as I go through it. Focusing on reads and posts I find noteworthy.

Starts off scumming Kickstart and ritoky !

Moved on to townread Milo.

A fair few moot posts that dont say much. Then there was this statement which I found interesting
Oh, really quick thing, since no one asked and I'm about to leave for dinner, the way I play is I try to give as much content as I can, and I try to leave out fence reads unless I haven't been keeping up with the posts and have nothing to really talk about. If I'm paying a lot of attention to the game, you'll see me giving town reads and scum reads only. Also, if I'm slightly leaning town on someone, I'll call them a town read (and same for scum) even if it's only slight so don't be too offended if I call you mafia and don't feel too safe if you're mafia and I call you town.


Adds GG to scum list. Also weakly townreads VE and starts leaning town on ritoky.

There was this post too which was called out by a few people earlier, it def sticks out as odd but I suppose there was a lot of focus elsewhere and Nydus felt he was being ignored. Still given that there wasn't much to pay attention to in his filter it still sounds odd...
On June 04 2015 14:14 NydusHerMain wrote:
am I invisible?


Leaves his vote on GG D1, claims to have forgotten/misread/something deadline.

N1 gives out the first real set of reads in this post.
-Read on GG flips (flops?) and is suddenlt town to Nydus. No real reasons given, just kus their reads matchup
-Scums Choco, mostly for not trying to save Kick after his claim. Might have a decent point here (or I like it kus Choco still seems scummy to me)
-Scums Onegu & Damdred for "reasons"
- Scums Me, for my reaction to EoD1
-VE and Milo are only townreads here

This post is interesting...
On June 05 2015 23:23 NydusHerMain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 23:10 Tictock wrote:
Looks like not much has happened since i left thread anyways.

Just see GG chanting my name and Fidei looking like he mighta gotten lost in WIFOM over there.

I was tempted to try and look at the votes and whatnot, but it seems like a silly thing to do when no scum got lynched. Either I'm right about scum pushing for that lynch or they just had a grand old time sitting around watching town...

Not sure if we should look at the outlier votes or not. There's not much to go on for either Nydus or Onegu...

I'll prob just leave things at this case on Damdred for now, I'm really tempted to look at him and Choco being a possible team now though... I felt like I mighta noticed something when digging through his filter, but I could also just be tunneled and reacting to what Kick said EoD. I'll get back to that thought if it's still pertinent D2.


FYI for anyone trying to read me based on my EoD, I wasn't aware of the EoD (sorry I'll be more careful next time) but had I been able to choose someone to vote on before the jailkeeper claim and it had to be on chocolate on kickstart, it would've been on kickstart so read that how you will. Getting kind of boring reading "outlier votes can go either way."

Admitting he would have voted Kick if he hadn't messed up the timing of EoD... seems like something scum would avoid doing.

This is another odd post, but is more scum leaning...
On June 06 2015 07:36 NydusHerMain wrote:
I'm back for like 1 minute and I have to go back to work. While I'm gone, are we supposed to try to talk about why the nk landed on the person?

Why is Nydus suggesting that people talk about this while he is gone?

Another good post... not sure if this is alignment indicative though... prob more a town thing to say
On June 07 2015 07:47 NydusHerMain wrote:
Also before I go back to work, what stops scum from like bussing each other for town cred in a game with no blues? Happens tons in video mafia...


Posts this fairly long decent post pushing Choco as scum.

Mentions a scum read on Onegu, but not why. Questions my town read of him, and makes a little fun @ the Onegu rule.

Here is the last post of note,
On June 08 2015 05:57 NydusHerMain wrote:
Templar is town. Chocolate is a much better vote by 10000 times but I'm going to vote on TickTock just incase -_-. You guys are dumb for voting on templar just because you think he might be salty town? If you don't kill him maybe he won't be as salty. He isn't even as cancerous as damdred is saying. I think damdred is just trying to justify voting on templar after townreading him. He's even covering his tracks with "omg templar still feels like town" BS.

##Vote: Ticktock


Sticks to GG being town, REALLY wants to kill Choco, but votes me (even though Choco is on me too). Also throws out Damdred being scummy still.

Actually that's not as bad as Shen made me think earlier. I read this post at work and found it unsettleing, but I guess it was just kus of the vote on me. It actually makes sense to me, that Nydus who says GG is town would go ahead and throw her vote on the only other wagon of note (also happens to be a scum read of hers) even though her real scum read is Choco.

@Shen
Was there something i missed about this vote? I don't think it looks so bad.


So, overall I find Nydus to be pretty null to me, however I want to quote this post one more time...
Oh, really quick thing, since no one asked and I'm about to leave for dinner, the way I play is I try to give as much content as I can, and I try to leave out fence reads unless I haven't been keeping up with the posts and have nothing to really talk about. If I'm paying a lot of attention to the game, you'll see me giving town reads and scum reads only. Also, if I'm slightly leaning town on someone, I'll call them a town read (and same for scum) even if it's only slight so don't be too offended if I call you mafia and don't feel too safe if you're mafia and I call you town.


Has anyone found the bolded statements to be true? I sure wouldn't say so. I'm not sure, but Nydus could very well be scum here.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2015 04:02 GMT
#1443
I think I want to filter dive Damdred next, as I found his play shifted a lot in style today. I do agree with everything he said about GG, though maybe it was a bit odd to see him sheep VE.

Idk, given how this game has gone I'm tempted to think we either have a scum team that is mostly lurking and letting town fight amongst town + Show Spoiler +
which is why I suggested we start looking at lurkers more seriously
OR it is a team of more advanced players, possibly with one of the newer plays. Since I know our wagons D2 were both on town, I'm tempted to think lurking scum is the most likely.

I was also trying to figure out why I didn't like the tone of Fidei's posts (the WIFOM stuff and the large series of posts changing his thinking. I randomly figured it out while going through Nydus' filter. He looks a lot like one of the newbie scum in NSM X. That guy spent a lot of the early game asking basic noob questions & looking like he didn't know what he was doing and then spent lots of posts "lost in thought" discussing things others told him were best left along (role hunting/suggesting).

@ Scott
Is it just me of does Fidei's play look pretty similar to BF's last game? Not sure it makes him scum, I just found the similarity unsettling once I noticed it.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 08 2015 04:11 GMT
#1444
Prob going to bed pretty soon, I'll have a few more posts before EoN.

I'll give a more updated reads list then, right now I'd still be willing to lynch Choco tomorrow but I should prob give another look at his D2 posts, though I don't recall anything standing out before.

Maybe I need to reread scott too, I've never played a game without him getting lynched D1. I don't really know how to read the guy well, but I have gotten decent townvibes from his posts.

..Truth be told I should prob reread everyone who is still alive just in case... Ugh I'll do that in Day phase... I should have another day off coming up before D3 will be over.
I can take that responsibility.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2015 04:58 GMT
#1445
On June 08 2015 13:02 Tictock wrote:
I think I want to filter dive Damdred next, as I found his play shifted a lot in style today. I do agree with everything he said about GG, though maybe it was a bit odd to see him sheep VE.

Idk, given how this game has gone I'm tempted to think we either have a scum team that is mostly lurking and letting town fight amongst town + Show Spoiler +
which is why I suggested we start looking at lurkers more seriously
OR it is a team of more advanced players, possibly with one of the newer plays. Since I know our wagons D2 were both on town, I'm tempted to think lurking scum is the most likely.

I was also trying to figure out why I didn't like the tone of Fidei's posts (the WIFOM stuff and the large series of posts changing his thinking. I randomly figured it out while going through Nydus' filter. He looks a lot like one of the newbie scum in NSM X. That guy spent a lot of the early game asking basic noob questions & looking like he didn't know what he was doing and then spent lots of posts "lost in thought" discussing things others told him were best left along (role hunting/suggesting).

@ Scott
Is it just me of does Fidei's play look pretty similar to BF's last game? Not sure it makes him scum, I just found the similarity unsettling once I noticed it.


There's a "vet" in the scum team, and that is why Ritoky is dead.

And by vet I mean Onegu/VE/Damdred.

I have not like Fidei's play but let me re-read his filter - The game is over now.

I think it is a litle unsettling you call out that game though, SPIDEY SENSE going off.

Fuck me.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2015 05:06 GMT
#1446
I really don't see a comparison from BF and this game, and I had access to the mafia QT there (and you all do now)
I've had a few beers but I'm getting the paranoid pocket for the reason you asked that. and since many of scummed you (more then three peeps, and dead townies)
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2015 05:11 GMT
#1447
We are lynching into the onegu rule tomorrow btw

The onegu rule list is as follows

Damdred
S word
Nydus

Now that carnival is over I can now prove to you the onegu rule works and is legit. Basicly I lurked and trolled all of day one and night one. Then people scum read me. They were scum.


On May 29 2015 13:19 Onegu wrote:
Im going full OMGUS at this point. IF you are currently scum reading me I am scum reading you.

FF
Rsoul
NB



That list was the 3 man scum team. Now you all can bow down to me and give me my Damdred lynch.
Try TL Mafia!!!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2015 05:11 GMT
#1448
On June 08 2015 09:46 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 06:37 Damdred wrote:
That's sad but chocolate is probably mafia here

probably you are #3

scott why the FUCK would you want to vote me


Haven't read the thread

points for you
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2015 05:12 GMT
#1449
On June 08 2015 11:19 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 10:44 Shendelzare wrote:
On June 08 2015 10:12 Damdred wrote:
Explain your reads then chocolate


+1. I haven't seen much in the way of reasoning on any of your reads. Besides OMGUS.

Now I'm out.

I am going to post a decent amount tomorrow via phone because I have a very long car ride.

Next day I will probably be pretty active


More shit excuses
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2015 05:13 GMT
#1450
If you are scum TicTock you deserve the win from how much you improved, so let's throw that out.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2015 05:17 GMT
#1451
I'm down with voting Fidei tomorrow if I am still alive.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2015 05:19 GMT
#1452
We got one mislynch until lylo (It'll be 6-3 tomorrow,)
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2015 05:20 GMT
#1453
And if you are scum you should shoot me anyway because I'll be all over your filter if I'm still alive.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 08 2015 05:36 GMT
#1454
On June 08 2015 07:00 scott31337 wrote:
I'm the most town read and a mislynch would be difficult

[image loading]

If we go over Ritoky's list -he thinks more of Chocolate town if Templar flips town. although this is from day 1 though

Here's GG's list -

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 15:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Just posting this for post-game

Mafia:
Tictock
1 of VE or Onegu
1 of Damdred or Scott


Town:
Kickstart
Ritoky
Nydus
Milo
Sicklucker/shendel
Fidei
Chocolate


Day 2 Final Vote Count

Shendelzare(0): Onegu
Chocolate(0): Tictock, NydusHerMain
Onegu(0): Scott, Damdred, NydusHerMain
Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
VisceraEyes(0): GGTemplar
NydusHerMain(0): Damdred
Fidei86(0): Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

Since GG flipped town and mafia knew this was coming, i suspect at most only one mafia on him.
So we have Milo with his wasted vote.
Every one else in Tictock

I'm going to expand on this later, got some things to do.


I'm about 90% confident one of the vets of Onegu/VE/Damdred is mafia and that's why Ritoky died.

Ritoky called Milo an innocent child for his unvote and he's dead - I'm about 85% sure this still sticks, but I'm still paranoid.

Tictock pressuring Fidei who I think is mafia is scary - but he has improved his game a lot - but also he is not tunneled on anyone either.

Chocolate doesn't give a fuck. dfjlksjdflkjds
The vet's don't either.
TicTock asking and raising cases which I like how much he is trying - and I mentioned, advice from the QT or he's town, and I'll let him have his game if he improved his much as scum.
Don' like Milo float on the unvote, hasn't done shit recently.
Chocolate is not going for his wincon if town, ldkjsfj
Onegu I have a little faith in you and shit some rainbows please.
VE too.
Damdred.
This is my town game as well, stop nerfing your game for mafia.
Read lists
find which of these peeps (including myself) are confused and tunneled.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 08 2015 07:15 GMT
#1455
I'll admit that I'm pretty heavily tunnelled on TT and Scott, but did anyone else feel like their last set of interactions sound like a guy talking to his sock puppet? TT makes a big post about why I'm null/newbie town, then Scott says I'm Mafia, then TT agrees with him, all the while they're directing questions only at each other, or mostly at each other.

If your main reason for thinking I'm Mafia is because of the EOD1 lynch vote, then surely that only makes sense if Chocolate is town. I honestly can't see why I, as a Mafia player, especially a new Mafia player, would come off one town wagon onto another town wagon, when I already had a perfectly acceptable policy lynch vote already. obviously my KS vote was disastrous, and I was the first to admit that. I've shown far more remorse than Damdred has for leading two town lynches.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 08 2015 07:17 GMT
#1456
Bah, typing on phone - I should have said that my vote switch only makes sense if Chocolate is Mafia. And if that were the case, given you guys have been banging on about Chocolate, I don't see why you'd go for me first. And I don't think Chocolate is Mafia.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2015 07:29 GMT
#1457
We are lynching Damdred tomorrow BTW. You all will sheep me.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 08 2015 07:41 GMT
#1458
@Onegu Honest question - if you were looking at your own posts objectively, what conclusion would you draw? Because the nagging feeling I get, particularly because I see you are running your own game elsewhere, is that you rolled mafia but perhaps didn't care that much, or had other things going on, or maybe just have played enough games that you're a bit jaded, and just thought "I'll keep trolling as hard as I can for as long as I can and see if they still won't lynch me". I know that you've stopped with the uber-troll now, but you're still only talking about this 'Onegu' rule, which I understand is a knock-off of the Chezinu rule? But it seems like a bunch of people in the thread already knew about that, which means that if they were scum, they wouldn't fall for it.

The issue I have with your entire approach to this game is that it's now too late for policy lynches. After the NK we're down to what, 6 town and 3 mafia? At some point - and you can see it already - the mafia team (if you aren't mafia) are going to start laying the ground work for a "lynch all lurkers" wagon, which townies, frustrated with all the MLs and the general sense of confusion in the thread, are going to jump on. Hell, I already feel like jumping on it now despite having literally just given my reasons for why it would be a bad idea.

So basically, all of the above is a plea - please, PLEASE, start taking this game more seriously and give us some actual reads and non-troll thoughts. Otherwise, if you're town, you're throwing the game. Obviously if you're actually mafia, then you're clearly one step ahead of the meta.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 08 2015 07:49 GMT
#1459
I'm fine if you dislike like my play, but I tried Yesterday to defend a town. You people wouldn't listen.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 08 2015 07:57 GMT
#1460
Some of us did..
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