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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 08 2015 09:08 milo109 wrote: IF ticktock is scum. Which I'm not certain about, though the votes on him look pretty good. Why DO you think I could be scum? Honestly atm, I only understand Fidei's reasons for voting me. I guess I understand GG's reasons too, I just found them to be shit. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On June 08 2015 09:05 Tictock wrote: Least I know I'm surviving till D3! No way does scum kill me tonight, lol. May we get an updated reads list? What do you think about the peeps who voted for you? | ||
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milo109
466 Posts
On June 08 2015 09:13 Tictock wrote: Why DO you think I could be scum? Honestly atm, I only understand Fidei's reasons for voting me. I guess I understand GG's reasons too, I just found them to be shit. Damdred then VE then maybe you then maybe Onegu then maybe Scott then maybe Shendel | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Yea I'll get on that. Will need some time to read what I missed what at work. Initial reactions... Most of the votes looked like sheep who correctly read GG as town. Fidei is the only person who voted me who clearly had his own reasons. As such I'll be focusing on his posts first. After I finish my dinner and get settled in for the night. Lurking while I eat. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 08 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote: Damdred then VE then maybe you then maybe Onegu then maybe Scott then maybe Shendel Yea... uh not really what I asked for... | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On June 08 2015 09:24 Tictock wrote: @Scott Yea I'll get on that. Will need some time to read what I missed what at work. Initial reactions... Most of the votes looked like sheep who correctly read GG as town. Fidei is the only person who voted me who clearly had his own reasons. As such I'll be focusing on his posts first. After I finish my dinner and get settled in for the night. Lurking while I eat. I'm keeping you to this. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
VE someone else are mafia Just got to find #3 | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On June 08 2015 06:37 Damdred wrote: That's sad but chocolate is probably mafia here probably you are #3 scott why the FUCK would you want to vote me | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Obviously I have to reevaluate. I'll be back before dawn or whatever. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
First off, I have a hard time believing mafia would NK someone for scumreading them. It would cause that persons reads to be that much more powerful since Town can now look at them knowing they come from a fellow town. Basically exactly what Fidei is doing here. Second, your ignoring the fact that it is a Scum TEAM, not just one/two scum right now. So the only way that someone would be targeted for their reads is if they managed to call out the correct scumteam. Even then it's a stretch because of the same reasons as before. Anyways you are correct that Ritoky was very distrusting of me D1 and really didn't like my reads. His N1 reads also do have me as clearly the only person he really suspected, though he was not 100% on me. So yes, I think it is safe to assume that ritoky would have been pushing me one again D2 if he were alive. Here is the problem though. Just because ritoky is confirmed town, it doesn't make his reads correct. You can read his thoughts and know they were coming from a town perspective, but that doesn't make him infallible. He might be right, and if I were an outsider here I would 100% be looking into that Tictock dude. However, since I know that I am town this game I can only take ritoky's reads with a grain of salt Later on you mention that I've criticized your posts. If you are talking about this On June 04 2015 19:03 Tictock wrote: This is a pretty useless post to be honest. I'm far more interested in what his change of style makes you think about him... I explained when you asked me why I called it useless... I found your post useless because the question was so open ended. It looked very passive and more like an effort to look active without actually doing anything. Only other time I've critisized your posting was here On June 05 2015 23:10 Tictock wrote: Looks like not much has happened since i left thread anyways. Just see GG chanting my name and Fidei looking like he mighta gotten lost in WIFOM over there. I stand by both those points, actually. In fact I think the post I'm responding to here is a lot of WIFOM. Your assuming ritoky was killed for his reads and your assuming his reads were correct. In fact I think you posted a much better explanation as to why ritoky was the NK Ritoky seemed like he was a really strong player I'd figure that a strong, well townread player is much more frightening to a mafia team, than a player with correct reads. After all, reads can change... | ||
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milo109
466 Posts
[QUOTE]On June 08 2015 09:08 milo109 wrote: [QUOTE]On June 08 2015 08:41 Damdred wrote: Why DO you think I could be scum? [/QUOTE] Oops. Misread question. Why do I think you could be scum? You just lead a mislynch on a town. | ||
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milo109
466 Posts
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Shendelzare
Netherlands126 Posts
NHM - scumreads Chocolate and Tictock, and is willing to lynch the former. I ask a bit too late to get people to vote Chocolate at the end of day. She says she'd have voted him but she was the solo voter. I pushed chocolate like crazy, but I don't think she pushed him much at all honestly. Then... SHE VOTES WITH CHOCOLATE ON TICTOCK. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this? | ||
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Shendelzare
Netherlands126 Posts
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Shendelzare
Netherlands126 Posts
On June 08 2015 10:12 Damdred wrote: Explain your reads then chocolate +1. I haven't seen much in the way of reasoning on any of your reads. Besides OMGUS. Now I'm out. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Fidei spends a lot of time going into WIFOM starting here. Least that's all I can make out of it. 5+ posts talking about why this team makes sense, these people are confirmed, correcting earlier posts... etc is rather hard to follow. I'm not sure there can actually be that many conclusions based on a D1 mislynch... He does the same thing in his other big post I quoted i my response to it. Lots of WIFOM and mostly just pushing ritoky's thinking, not his own. He even starts saying that he's been told that this sort of anylysis is too likely to lead to WIFOM to be useful. I'm tempted to say this could be scum pretending to be a new townie getting suck in bad thinking, however Fidei does make a few posts that suggest he's town to me. There is this post which is really just a bunch of questions. However I notice that Fidei has noted the pages of note related to his questions, which suggests to me that he is putting in decent work and reading to support his questions. Then there was this post On June 04 2015 19:40 Fidei86 wrote: @Ticktock The issue I have is that, since this is my first game, I have no prior experience on which "tells" or types of behaviour are suspicious and which aren't. People earlier on in the thread seemed to just move past the change, but I think on any measure it has been pretty drastic. My read is that ritoky wanted to put himself out there straight away at the start and draw lots of attention to himself, on the basis that everyone would assume that the mafia wouldn't be so stupid so as to put themselves front and centre of the thread in a very memorable fashion. At best, I think it's quite a weak town play, because it created a lot of distraction at the start, which plays into mafia flying under the radar. As to the change, it could be because he realised that if he kept going, people might want to vote him off anyway for being annoying / cluttering the thread (I think several people mentioned that they would 'policy' vote him), and that he can now transition into sounding like a good town, but having had all the suspicion sucked out of his play right at the start. For me, that is very suspicious. I have read and liked a lot of the stuff he has posted subsequently, and has left me not knowing what to think, hence why I asked the question. Answers to 'difficult' questions can often be quite telling, and at worst all I've done is waste a little bit of forum space. Which was the first time I felt like Fidei was really sharing his thinking process. It sounds like pretty good town thinking to me. I'd bet that Fidei is just a newbie based on his posting. I could see him being Mafia and just using that as a cover though as well... Fidei was the hammer vote on Kick which doesn't look so good... Ugh he's still pretty null to me I guess. Maybe a slight scum lean given his D1 vote... | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 08 2015 10:41 Shendelzare wrote: I'm looking at the votes. I am seeing a problem with NHM. NHM - scumreads Chocolate and Tictock, and is willing to lynch the former. I ask a bit too late to get people to vote Chocolate at the end of day. She says she'd have voted him but she was the solo voter. I pushed chocolate like crazy, but I don't think she pushed him much at all honestly. Then... SHE VOTES WITH CHOCOLATE ON TICTOCK. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this? Dam shen, all sorts of good catches from you today... Something felt off to me about Nydus' votes EoD there, I just haven't had the chance to look at her closely enough... I did say before that I thought we prob have at least one lurker scum and was thinking it was between Fidei, Choco, and Nydus... With that odd vote switch from Nydus, my last post/read on Fidei, and the fact that Choco has been pretty scummy this whole game.. could that be the scumteam? I'm likely way jumping the gun here, but an Iso on Nydus was def in my plans for tonight... I think it just got bumped to the top of my list. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On June 08 2015 10:44 Shendelzare wrote: +1. I haven't seen much in the way of reasoning on any of your reads. Besides OMGUS. Now I'm out. I am going to post a decent amount tomorrow via phone because I have a very long car ride. Next day I will probably be pretty active | ||
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