EPT[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 64
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GGTeMpLaR
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NydusHerMain
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Starting from this post to this post. For the tl;dr, basically he mentions scott being his top scum and when he starts to finally town read scott he doesn't ever mention why in between and randomly just says "oh obviously this read is different now" without even explicitly calling scott town. Looking at this post he finally gives his first set of reasons for his list of reads but he never actually mentions scott his once top scum and now obviously a town read. Now I want to note one thing, no templar read here and this is very important imo. I urge you guys to read this post very carefully. He calls scott town for his case against TEMPLAR (and scott was calling templar mafia and even was voting on him at this point based on the fucking chezblahblah rule) and never once mentioned templar until this point. Not only that, he calls templar likely town for what reason? That he's townier in his filter and that people are trying to bury his discussion under stuff. Scott's literal accusation versus templar is chezblahblah rule. What other reason could there be to bury his discussion under "stuff?" How could chocolate possibly be townreading Scott at this point? So let's cole's note this shit because my writing style sucks: - calls scott number 1 scum - never mentions scott until scott magically turns town (or obviously changed read) with no justification other than "posts more" - townreads scott for his chez accusation against templar who chocolate thinks is town - chocolate calls templar town for the first time in the same post claiming that people are trying to bury him with bs - chez rule Like wtf is this shit? Moving on, we look at the KS situation. Referring back to his initial set up reads in this post in case you guys don't want to scroll back up, we see that KS is "very unlikely to be mafia" for Chocolate. Another post reinforcing his belief. 2-3 posts later dem be flippin' dem pancakes lyke in dis post. Really, so after calling KS town this entire time, you suddenly flip because he votes on you use that pretty much dumb point to potentially push scum on him? The fact that he might be deflecting off someone? Okay. This post lacks any original thought but pretty much opens up the idea that he might just be saying KS is scum because he wants to live. Then he says this where KS magically jumps to the front of the line for scum after he said KS is really unlikely to be scum just because it's a vote between him and KS. The is literally making up points against KS in this post or at least it feels ridiculously ingenuine to me. Basically, my point is, nothing Chocolate says feels natural and it feels like he's just making up reads and giving reads for the sake of giving them. He isn't actually trying to scum hunt and he's flipping like a fucking pancake for no reason. There's no train of logic with him, only a survival instinct and for me, that's indicative of scum. I've also saved the best for last: "Cry me a riverrrrr" I've never seen a weaker and FAKER reaction than this. | ||
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NydusHerMain
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Day 1 Vote Count Tictock(1): sicklucker <- shendalakajfkldsjfldjsal Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86 Damdred(1) Onegu Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109 Yes, I'm calling myself town even though it doesn't fall into the logic because I am  . I'm thinking that onegu is likely to be mafia, sorry scott, I just can't trust your meta reads over my own personal read that he's scummy. I think he's low hanging fruit and needs to be lynched. I'm personally reading templar but if chocolate flips, I think that templar is one of the most likely mafia team mates because of the way chocolate soft defended templar in chocolate's posts with almost zero mention of templar before then. I don't think milo just unvotes as mafia but I can't help but think that if milo voted on chocolate, chocolate would've been lynched instead of our blue. Probably town but if he was mafia partners with chocolate, it would make a little bit of sense. Dunno if he would risk it though. Blah, gonna call him town, it's too risky to do it as mafia. Those are the people that mostly come to mind in my thoughts. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On June 07 2015 16:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: no thanks I came to play mafia not coach half the game through reading comprehension 500 times. that was mostly for bragging rights post-game anyways I've had too many bad accusations put against me for pushing on mafia On June 07 2015 18:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote: idc i solved the game for myself im not gonna waste time teaching english lessons at this point i'm too frustrated at the number of people misreading me and making shit up And then with this thrown in... On June 07 2015 16:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I've probably got 1 mafia in my townreads because it's too soon in the game You are so sure of yourself, so 100% that you solved the game, because of what? That you "know" I'm scum because I broke the proxy-"Chez Rule"? Like I don't get why you assume this is solid thinking... Ok if Chez WAS playing this game, then the Chez Rule would apply, sure I can see that given his style of play that I've looked into. If you want to go down with this logic... then I dont get why Onegu is not our "proxy-CHez" this game. I'm not sure the "Onegu Rule" is as solid, but it at least applies to this game since Onegu is here. Onegu is easily the closes person in our game to a "Chez" yet you focused my reaction to ritoky, and call out "You broke Chez's rule". I'd say if you want to apply any "chez rule" this game you should use Onegu as your proxy. I'm not mentioning Chez the rest of this game. I dont think any of his rules or logic applies when he is not playing. Trying to use his "rule" as solid fact in this game, while not even trying to mimik the finer points of his play is absurd. From my point of view you Wasted your vote 2 days in a row following this nonse, while not listening to anyone telling you that it's not enough. I also don't get how you can think I'm scum, yet ignore anything I do to try and talk to you... That is just bad play, it probably means your scum or you are a stubborn mule of a town (yes I'm borrowing this line from ritoky a bit). On June 07 2015 16:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote: shame you guys lynched him when I called him town now you're lynching me Your not the only one who did, and as I and Shen have pointed out, Scum can use "I pointed out Town!" All game long... This proves nothing. You were also being considered Scum D1 for similar reasons, but you never use your "Reading comprehension" to catch onto that fact and adapt to the game. In fact as far as I can tell, you never really cared to play this game. This would explain how you never caught on to the fact you didn't actually vote D1, even when it was clearly stated by Mods throughout the day, as well as Scott pointing it out in. Then you ignore the fact that Kick got lynched, or was our only blue role, and manage to only post this after you learn that your "dear townread" Kick had died N1. On June 05 2015 13:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Also, losing jailer is pretty bad. You then post this the same night. On June 05 2015 19:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Vigi plz shoot Tictock. Clearly you are neither playing this game, nor using reading comprehension yourself On June 07 2015 16:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: no thanks I came to play mafia not coach half the game through reading comprehension 500 times. Right.... | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On June 07 2015 14:37 Shendelzare wrote: Okay, now that is making a little more sense why you don't like Damdred, fine. But what do you think of him after the lynch? He posted some large case or something. Or do you just look at people how they view you and ignore everything else? That was me actually. I posted a decent sized post where I looked at Damdred N1 becasue of his involvement in starting a lynch that got people to swap off GG and Choco and got Kick lynched. Since Damdred responded to my case in a reasonable fashion and countered my arguments against him with good points and reasoning I found myself rethinking my stance on him. In retrospect my case on Damdred wasn't super solid, I think I had my points but they were far more circumstantial than actual scum tells. I still have my suspicions of Dam. His sheeping VE today seems a little out of place and Onegu might have a point, but I'm not going to read too much into those things right now. Damdred has generally been reasonable this game, and even though his wagon D1 got our Jailer lynched I'm not convinced hes scum for it. | ||
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Tictock
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Sorry I bailed out on you last night, just really was not awake enough to make sensible posts longer than a few lines. I like the interaction I see happening between Shen and Onegu. Onegu also really stepped up the posting. I'm moving Onegu into full town territory, and while I still find Shen somewhat null I'm def leaning town. | ||
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NydusHerMain
Canada492 Posts
On June 07 2015 21:16 Tictock wrote: @Shen Sorry I bailed out on you last night, just really was not awake enough to make sensible posts longer than a few lines. I like the interaction I see happening between Shen and Onegu. Onegu also really stepped up the posting. I'm moving Onegu into full town territory, and while I still find Shen somewhat null I'm def leaning town. Not good enough for an onegu town read at all... I still see him scummy. P.S. I'm leaving in about 4 hours and I don't know when I'll be back. I'll make votes and small comments on my phone if I can but I might not be here for EoD. | ||
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Onegu
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On June 07 2015 21:21 NydusHerMain wrote: Not good enough for an onegu town read at all... I still see him scummy. P.S. I'm leaving in about 4 hours and I don't know when I'll be back. I'll make votes and small comments on my phone if I can but I might not be here for EoD. So did you figure out why I am scummy? You couldnt remember why the last time, and the only thing I am seeing is you think I am low hanging fruit... | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On June 07 2015 20:16 NydusHerMain wrote: Looking at this post he finally gives his first set of reasons for his list of reads but he never actually mentions scott his once top scum and now obviously a town read. Now I want to note one thing, no templar read here and this is very important imo. I urge you guys to read this post very carefully. He calls scott town for his case against TEMPLAR (and scott was calling templar mafia and even was voting on him at this point based on the fucking chezblahblah rule) and never once mentioned templar until this point. Not only that, he calls templar likely town for what reason? That he's townier in his filter and that people are trying to bury his discussion under stuff. Scott's literal accusation versus templar is chezblahblah rule. What other reason could there be to bury his discussion under "stuff?" How could chocolate possibly be townreading Scott at this point? This is a very nice catch. Scum 100% tend to ignore each other in their reads. Last game I caught wind of scum from their D1 reasoning on their vote. The scumlette in question was reading PlayerA as scum and saw an association with PlayerB, she then went on to push PlayerB as scum for the rest of the day. As it turned out PlayerA was her scummate and PlayerB was just a newbie whom people had trouble reading. Scott can back this up if people don't care to read NSM X themselves. When I was writing my case on Dam N1 I thought I had picked up on a similar blind spot in his reads on Choco. It was mostly based on how Dam was tending to townread people D1, while Choco was pushing for Scum reads. I expected the two of them to clash a little because of it, but that never happened. I only bring that up now kus I was reminded of it by Nydus' post here. I thought it was a really weak point and am only leaving it out there now in case we later discover Choco is in fact scum. Dam is still leaning town for me right now. On June 07 2015 20:28 NydusHerMain wrote: Oh and if chocolate flips scum I think the votes make it very clear who his scum team can and can't be. Day 1 Vote Count Tictock(1): sicklucker <- shendalakajfkldsjfldjsal Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86 Damdred(1) Onegu Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109 Yes, I'm calling myself town even though it doesn't fall into the logic because I am . I'm thinking that onegu is likely to be mafia, sorry scott, I just can't trust your meta reads over my own personal read that he's scummy. I think he's low hanging fruit and needs to be lynched. I'm personally reading templar but if chocolate flips, I think that templar is one of the most likely mafia team mates because of the way chocolate soft defended templar in chocolate's posts with almost zero mention of templar before then. I don't think milo just unvotes as mafia but I can't help but think that if milo voted on chocolate, chocolate would've been lynched instead of our blue. Probably town but if he was mafia partners with chocolate, it would make a little bit of sense. Dunno if he would risk it though. Blah, gonna call him town, it's too risky to do it as mafia. Those are the people that mostly come to mind in my thoughts. No so sold on your logic here. You basically suggest everyone not on Choco D1 is potential mafia, IF choco flips red. Even if Choco flips red I think we can discard SL's vote on me, it was like his first post of the game where he voted me, it has nothing to do with Choco later becoming a possible lynch. Similar logic applies to Onegu's vote, though maybe not as much. You are looking a little better after these posts though. I'd like to see more like you from this. | ||
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Onegu
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Tictock
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On June 07 2015 21:24 NydusHerMain wrote: Can you elaborate why you think onegu is townier? What did you like about his interactions? I admit, most of my reasons for reading Onegu as town are still based on tone. Still I challenged him at one point to step up his posting a little as did others. I saw him doing that in those interactions with Shen, thus that makes me more assured that he is town this game. | ||
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Onegu
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NO I AM THE BEST PLAYER HERE I DEMAND A DAMDRED LYNCH TODAY!!! | ||
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NydusHerMain
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On June 07 2015 21:26 Onegu wrote: So did you figure out why I am scummy? You couldnt remember why the last time, and the only thing I am seeing is you think I am low hanging fruit... The nydus rule just dictates that you're scummy. | ||
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Onegu
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On June 07 2015 21:39 NydusHerMain wrote: The nydus rule just dictates that you're scummy. What is the nydus rule? You maybe in violation of the onegu rule btw... | ||
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NydusHerMain
Canada492 Posts
On June 07 2015 21:40 Onegu wrote: What is the nydus rule? You maybe in violation of the onegu rule btw... The nydus rule is that onegu is mafia. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On June 07 2015 21:36 Onegu wrote: I just realized GG doesnt violate the onegu rule... On June 07 2015 21:38 Onegu wrote: Would actually like a Damdred lynch today. NO I AM THE BEST PLAYER HERE I DEMAND A DAMDRED LYNCH TODAY!!! Don't throw your vote away again today please... If you want to push Dam, you can put together something tomorrow... I'm assuming you don't have anything other than him breaking your rule today. | ||
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Onegu
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On June 07 2015 21:45 Tictock wrote: Don't throw your vote away again today please... If you want to push Dam, you can put together something tomorrow... I'm assuming you don't have anything other than him breaking your rule today. its the reasons for breaking the rule. are you guys not reading. Like actually read my day 2 I stopped trolling long ago. | ||
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Onegu
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On June 06 2015 15:08 Onegu wrote: First my rule is different then the Chezniu rule. But it comes down to close to the same thing. I have caught scum using the onegu rule. The chez rule has caught many more scum. I am serious here. People wanting to lynch me today have a much higher chance to flip scum. I am not trolling here this is a legit strat. Damdred back me up here plz. Also there is a diffenece in wanting to lynch me for policy early like scott who I think is town. And actually saying I am scum and wanting to lynch me. Also if you look at Shendelzare and the games he said he looked up on me, I didnt troll half as much in those games. So how can he draw any conclusions from those games I ask you. | ||
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