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On March 19 2015 06:18 rsoultin wrote: Eden! <3 I may survive past night one this game! you better and I better!!! | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote: :/ so i have a confession to make >> << i was enjoying the song on the first page -bebops- and have never watched this movie -gaspmurmurgaspshemustbescumomgmurmur- Oh thank god you're town again | ||
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Yeah and HF is already catching mafia so we can hang out like we didn't get to last game. Sup? | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:24 rsoultin wrote: >> hf wasting no time are you a slam whisperer? i thought i had him pegged but i was right and wrong at the same time so back to being not so sure after just a page or two of posting lol In case there's any doubt, rsoultin is town. Mindmeld + godreads. You're welcome town | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Meta says Slam is probably scum for being so serious from the start. I haven't even read anything since the first rso post I quoted and I already agree with this | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:26 Holyflare wrote: um..... that's a bit too sure eden About rsoultin? No it isn't. About anybody else? Sure | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote: Sup. + Show Spoiler + You know that I don't have an insta-read on you right? lol You tried to pocket me when you were scum ;o; meanie + Show Spoiler + Yea but we can pretend you do cuz I'm town. Also how did that work out for me? Pretty sure I became the foil for Damdred's "Best Analysis of the Year" award | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:28 Holyflare wrote: you can't seriously say "mind meld" when someone points out the most obvious observation in the game That's icing on the cake The cake is the tone read | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:30 Damdred wrote: Sometimes it hink of your post game comment about robik being a pigeon crapping on someone in a old shirt and 'm a dump truck full of trex shit 90 miles an hour on a tux and I laugh.... My finest hour in TL mafia comedy Possibly the only approaching-funny thing I've ever said on-site | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + You scumread him lol >> heyheyhey so no one has posted about your entrance yet. you disappoint? + Show Spoiler + All I'm sayin is, 100% of the time I pocket you I get wrecked d1. Bad play, never getting repeated And nah, I been in the limelight too much last game, it's no fun even being a flagrant attention whore lmao People will eventually see your towniness I'm sure | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:32 Alakaslam wrote: Meta is personality traits that someone cannot fix. So you agree with me that rsoultin is town and that I am town too | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote: oh god sicklucker is in this game l m a o | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm not concerned. I only ever get mislynched in LYLO xP (nor have i ever seriously needed anyone's help except in that game ><) + Show Spoiler + I was about to ask for your magic but it might be a curse in my case :o Who's mafia right now to you? I'm not actually reading this game yet | ||
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This game is awesome already. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:38 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + Lol, I've gotten better at Day 1 reads, but really? Truffle was an anomaly ^^ Damdy's eager to find those scumlets today though lol. Lucky us they're all posting in the first hour of the game  + Show Spoiler + I read only like 2 posts and I think HF might be right about Slam. Didn't you tell me once you could read him reasonably well? | ||
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>ninjaed you muthertucker >muthertucker > m u t h e r > t u c k e r | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:47 sicklucker wrote: Slam you look pretty terrible bro. The omgus didnt help this guy might be mafia | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:45 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + Slam? I just misread him in the last big...and read him correctly in the last completed mini. Not enough posts yet lol but yes, generally i can get a read on him easier than the majority of the players here + Show Spoiler + where are you at with him so far? also I felt like sicklucker's post to slam was talking at him rather than to him but that might be a stretch | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:51 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin is probably town. she is absolutely town. trust me | ||
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it's more than that but yes that read that i make on her that is literally nearly perfect is in effect here | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:53 sicklucker wrote: altho shes annoying thats my town read on her look at this tough guy negging to get a girl's attention | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:53 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + sicklucker i am notoriously bad at reading :/ but the more he makes sense the more nervous i get lolol + Show Spoiler + oh. dang i was hoping you could back me up cuz i think i'm ok at reading him too is slam mafia though i voted to lynch him but he used the bowing emoticon and it makes me want not to lynch lol | ||
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my read transcends words and is in that way the purest form of human terms which is to say that i am officially Very Good at reading rsoultin after recent games and i am good at reading her tonally | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:55 Damdred wrote: Is it perfect in this situation? or nearly perfect? i think it's perfect truthfully i want to call it perfect, period, but i have to acknowledge my shame in horn of africa until i have a big enough body of work | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:58 Palmar wrote: So which tonal part about her makes her town? i am concerned that specifics might be a gamebreaking breach of ethics in the other game we're in right now so i will decline to explain further until i flip in that game somehow but in general i am very good at reading her tone. her posting is not nearly as reserved and uptight as it is when she's mafia. she's not capitalizing letters and using emoticons, as concrete examples. it's more than that obviously because those are easily replicated and i still read her well but that's some easy to see physical manifestations | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: Precisely because you know it will ring true with Eden since it's his way of reading me to begin with xP nope i don't think you're annoying when you're town get wrecked sicklucker trying to piggyback my rsoul reads | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:02 Palmar wrote: I actually kinda sorta maybe believe my reasons for voting Toad. Both of the things I said are true. #1 "guyses" is not a word any viable human being utters in a normal sentence. #2 He is half-assedly copying what was a much cooler play when he was town i feel like a shitty sheep but this also sounds okay BBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:03 Damdred wrote: I actually sort of like Slam as nullish town rather than scum right now, he is different and has a direction at this point which is universally different on this site its true. I'll have to think more on this currently. Now Eden why would you even bring up where you failed your read on Rsoultin? Your read at the start of the game feels really forced to me (towards Rsoultin) and you then throw a little shadow on it by saying BUT I DID FAIL READING HIM HERE. Its very strange to me. it's not forced and i stand by it 100% this is not the game where she fools me | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:05 rsoultin wrote: i thought he was talking about the emoticons? was it the emoticons, SL, or me being annoying? cause if it was me being annoying i misunderstood and that sounds exactly like you lol >< p. sure he said he read you town because he thinks you're annoying not because you posted emoticons. he posed the latter as a question to me | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: I dont acualy know what your shitty read is im just going by what im told stop pushing my mafia bells son | ||
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i'm gonna lynch sicklucker instead unvote vote sl | ||
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never lynch rso, lynch sl, probably don't lynch damdred either. bye for now | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:09 Damdred wrote: This is your soul read on Rsoultin? I was just looking at her recent scum games whats so different tone wise or content wise to make you think that this is totally town from this post? content-wise eh not a lot yet tone-wise it's everything. she is so clearly relaxed here. i really don't know how you would look at her mafia games and not see it lol | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:13 rsoultin wrote: so i've got a problem here you're saying you don't know eden's read on me, that you haven't read those games but you specifically asked him about emoticons when you asked about his read you're lying to us sicklucker :/ over something that is not at all important yessssss LAL sheep me sheeping you sheeping me onto sicklucker | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote: I'm not talking about her GAMES, i'm talking about first posts since this is what you town read her on. Games I give you she is a lot more uptight as mafia generally, but first posts what is the difference? Ive read some and yes in one game she gets right to the point but in the other she is trolly. So why? oh no it's not first posts specifically. i don't even know if that's her first post this game, i literally just opened to whatever page that was on, saw that post and knew she was town she just is soooo much more relaxed. it's unreal. you can call it trolly i guess, it just seems more like someone who can just post whatever she wants cuz she doesn't have to think about what she doesn't know | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:15 sicklucker wrote: That emocon was thing was brought up in another game you were not in if my memory serves me correctly. Eden you remember this? what's weird is that you do On March 19 2015 09:01 sicklucker wrote: crazy theory but maybe we developed the same read from playing with you? because it is or was a correct read? I was not in or followed games where you and eden played | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:16 Holyflare wrote: No. Let's break this down instead of you being an obtuse lying asshole. I post once that you are mafia, highlighting the post that made you look mafia to me based on previous meta and meta that is generally used in finding mafia and townies that I use successfully in almost every game I ever play. I then post again highlighting a post of toad's that looked like a mafia post. THEN you vote me. Highlighting my post of my list of 2 people (you and toad) saying i'm not this bad. I actually misread your post about wifom because I thought you were applying that to me using wifom about yourself instead. So really you misread the entire situation and called me mafia because you thought I was voting you for wifom reasons. I clarify these reasons are because it is about your TONE of seriousness, your over defensiveness and seriousness again. You then update DO NOT UPDATE YOUR SCUM READ TO RECTIFY YOUR ERROR and instead continue on like I initially voted you because of some wifom which is not the case. You can clearly see my error in misreading the highlighted because my post explains that my case is based on your meta and disregarding that is based on seriousness, hence why I agree with artanis post. YOU DO NOT UPDATE ANYTHING EVER. WHy is this slam? Why are you trying to derail any attempt I had at pushing anything and instead fling shit in my direction when I was being the most productive asset here. You don't even comment on the toad thing which is actually very good indeed. ...jeez, mad much? this feels like mafia hf tunneling someone tbqh | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:21 Holyflare wrote: also we 100% lynch this guy because he was in horn and read the game so knows everything about what they are saying yessssssssss everybody sheep me | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:24 rsoultin wrote: o.0 memory debunked nice catch HF lol...also light townread to you for looking that one up in the middle of the argument with slam i literally said that before he did .__________. i didn't cite the exact game but this is MY point and MY lynch  | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote: The anger is real. I won't vote slam today. Or HF. Or Eden. Today is gonna be really easy. vote sl | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:50 Half the Sky wrote: Day 1: Current Vote Count Alakaslam (4): Holyflare, Artanis, sicklucker, Eden1892 Trfel (1): Holyflare (1): Alakaslam Toadesstern (1): Palmar Not Voting (13): Vivax, rsoultin, Toadesstern, LightningStrike, ExO, Bill Murray, Onegu, Breshke, Fecalfeast, Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, VisceraEyes, Damdred Currently, Alakaslam is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Posting after the deadline and prior to flip is subject to a modkill. THIRD ON A WAGON YOUR ASS IS SAGGIN | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote: my ass is amazingly pert thank you much i really have to stop responding to these comments lol + Show Spoiler + just post them here | ||
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LMFAO IM DYING | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote: Fyi this is stupid. People use this case on me everygame no matter what I role. I dont remember everything right from 15 games Ive played in 4 months. It does not make me mafia it means I smoke too much weed lmao you don't smoke weed | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:45 Alakaslam wrote: well that leaves me with only SL to ask SL SL is just wifom to me. He needs to die a few times as town and come around to knowledge of the game before I can really do much with him. I had a policy of lynching him. If no one is going for HF (really hard d1 with good reason, but I reiterate he is 80% Mafia in my eyes) I am not agianst SL lynch. "not against"...? bruh he lied more than once rofl | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:49 sicklucker wrote: I mean it was his strategy when we were mafia together I half expect it.... scum claim. also don't believe sl. he got modkilled that game and was super salty. there is like 0 way he forgot he was town that game | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote: I was modkilled two games inarow once as town and once as mafia... I was salty about both. Also. YOU WERE MY MAFIA PARTNER REMEMBER? OH YOU DONT YOU MUST BE MAFIA FOR NOT REMEMBERING WITH 10000% ACCURACY. what the fuck are you even saying i know you were modkilled as mafia before you were modkilled as town. that doesn't impact that you wouldn't remember horn of africa | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:51 Toadesstern wrote: how does it not matter that he 1) mislynched me as town last game we played together going so far as to ragequit after I flipped town because he thought I'm scummy based on my wording d1 2) Goes on to lie about me in this game and how I'd never use that word, shown by the search above without giving a care in the world about what happened last game nor checking if what he's saying about me is correct this time around In fact it's even worse because this time I can show that he's just lying out of his ass because instead of only writing "kill Toad" he's going a little more into detail... except that he's making shit up that's wrong. Answer me these two questions: Did you read the game I'm talking about? If you did, what are the chances of Palmar going into the game like this? If you didn't read the game go ask Artanis, he hosted that game. If you know the game you know the chances are 0% if Palmar is actually serious about this and not just pulling some bullshit and since that seems to be the case ##vote Palmar if this is about hammertime he didn't ragequit | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:57 Alakaslam wrote: yeah but I am not paying attention very well. I am kind of certain of this HF SO Who caught it? Where is it? hf and i did lololol | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:57 Superbia wrote: Dumbtell boys. How many mafia are there in a game of 20? 5? 7 | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:59 Superbia wrote: K. What's the thing on SL? He lied hard about another game or something? Pls enlighten. he tried to play it off like he didn't know what my godread on rsoultin was about (he does) but he tried to do so by claiming not to have played games with us (he did) and then he tried to justify it by saying that he wasn't town and doesn't read games when he's mafia (he was town) | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:00 Alakaslam wrote: wait, no no no. If HF says someone is "lying" and a whole bunch of sheep think so, this says nothing. uh excuse me technically HE'S sheeping ME | ||
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take it to the bank, that check will clear | ||
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yeah i kinda agree | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is gonna sound really dumb but I think Superbia and Trfel are never going to be mafia together. This is just not something you repeat as mafia when another mafia's asked it already and especially after I called Superb out on his tone for it. not dumb at all i think you can be town this game | ||
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and then concluded trfel was vt probably makes exo town. i really only see scum bothering with that if they're going to try to dredge up a lynch target | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:06 rsoultin wrote: Edeeeeen I'm feeling a Truffle tunnel coming on >< like no shit almost as strong as the Student V read Truffle tunnel am i wrong? ...i'm not actually sure that you're wrong why did he narrow it down to 4 or 5 if he didn't know how many mafia there are? | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:07 sicklucker wrote: Im not in anyhole super its a bunch of people who cant read me spouting the same nonsense about me on day 1 that they did in the last 8 games. Yes I confuse people I confuse myself. No it does not make me mafoa i am getting pretty good at reading you tbh. but my reading you isn't instant-speed like my r-soulreads. so maybe i am wrong and will need time you're gonna have to do some shit and prove yourself though like superbia and hf said. i don't want to reach a particular conclusion on you except the right one. i ain't got questions for ya boyo do your own thing for a bit and be townie. you know if you do it i'll come around to it | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:11 Trfel wrote: Why 4 or 5? Because those are (to the best of my knowledge) the only possibilities. Superbia's only answer was 7, and I don't think that is true. The recent Titanic mafia was 17 players, with one third party, so 16 players. There were 4 mafia. I believe the standard large games (Carol of the Bells, Imperial Mafia, for example) have 5 mafia. Thus, I expect this game to have 4 or 5 mafia. I'm asking because I feel that it is helpful to know how many mafia are in the game. Maybe you disagree, but I would like to know. And I don't have enough experience to really know if there would be 4 or 5 mafia, especially not compared to many of the players in this game. ugh im cringing from how fraudulent this sounds i hate that i can't find the words for why i do. rso what do you think about this | ||
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wait why it sounds fake to me ._. | ||
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like yeah i think knowing the # of mafia is good. lol please. that's not the issue | ||
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speaking of. hf why were you so pissed at slam earlier? i commented on how it was giving me mafia vibes from you earlier if you want to find the example. i don't think you're mafia based on total body of work but that post gave me the heebie-jeebies | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote: Half the thread has not even posted. Eden has an agenda and is not interested in listening too me. Ve is a town role Rsout is super annoying so town by my own read Palmer and toad are going at it and no one cares and are ignoring the rest of the game. Slam is mafia Hf always thinks im lying for some reason so probably town Damdred hasint tunneled me yet so thats weird. Rayn is mia but its a bad timezone for him I think ff is town and he harclaimed vt I cant remember one thing artanis said. Super didnt do anything but vote a town. The rest are usually background players anyway i do not. ._. why is slam straight up mafia to you | ||
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what'd i miss | ||
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standard, abzan aggro variance is just Ravaging me today | ||
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abzan was my destiny | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:03 Trfel wrote: You asked for an answer twice, so I provided one. Eden isn't a moron, I'm sure that if he actually is scum, he would say the same thing. And I have two other reasons to say that this isn't a scumslip. 1. Look at Eden's tone. By saying the specific name of the miller, he shows that he's read the first page to find out what the miller is, which contains the phrase You are not aware. So, it's extremely unlikely that Eden didn't know that the miller was unaware. Furthermore, if he wanted to claim as scum, he would have said straight-out that he is claiming, not this indirect reference. Thus, I'm inclined to think that Eden is joking. 2. Eden townread rsoultin very strongly, and very early in the game. And he did this knowing that he wouldn't be able to provide good reasons for it, much less explain this read to the thread. I don't really see why mafia!Eden would want to do this. i did the 2nd one as mafia before and i don't remember if i did the first one as mafia before but i definitely did it as town before | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:03 Superbia wrote: You're disgusting. 3 fetches in 6 packs? I want to lynch you. Kinda. oh don't worry it's all gone downhill from there | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:06 Onegu wrote: I'm not here, I am not VT. HAHAHAHAHAH | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Do either of you guys want to buy like 10000+ disorganized cards dating from planeshift until about theros? Rares uncommons commons lands all of it sounds like it's not standard legal not in the budget for that, thanks tho also have a townread. good eye on the miller thing | ||
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hey onegu guess what i'm eating rn | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:15 sicklucker wrote: But im not sure what to make of the third one. Even if the second one was a slip he could just decide to make it a running gag. It does not make him mafia but it is suspicious. I'm gonna go ahead and help you out on this one. Waaaaaay back before your time... [pulls up lawn chair and glass of sweet tea] Back in the dog days of summer 2014... [swats a mosquito] There was a game. It was a great game. Not just any great game, it was MELEE MINI MAFIA. It was my first game with Palmar, marvellosity and the rest of the homies. 18 players, all hydras together but posting on different accounts. My main homie OnceKing was in the game and we confirmed ourselves town to each other like 5 minutes into the game cuz I claimed vanilla town in red print and then went after the other homie Tehpoofter for scumreading me for it. OK shouted BAAAAAAAAAAAA and sheeped it and that's how we knew we was town. We went on to wreck shit and make Artanis quit. It was my first win on TL Mafia. (The funny thing is that I wasn't even VT. LOL) I haven't done it in EVERY game since, but a healthy number of my games include straight up shitpost fakeclaims as an homage to possibly my favorite game I ever played on TL | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:21 Onegu wrote: I told you I'm not here... I am or am not groot, I would def be groot as I am big not small. well you might want to be here soon cuz I'M EATING PICKLES GET REKT | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:22 Onegu wrote: Breadcrumb^ On March 19 2015 11:21 Onegu wrote: I told you I'm not here... I am or am not groot, I would def be groot as I am big not small. GOTTEM | ||
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bro i literally already knew that about you. hence why i said i'm getting good at reading you but i need time to know 4sure that is the most open of open secrets | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:25 LightningStrike wrote: I just got home and Superbia is scumreading me for not being here T_T Also I saw Trfel and Eden claimed Mafia and I thinking they just trolling knowing that Eden loves to troll as Town and Trfel being a newish player I don't think he would pull a Damdred. Also saw HF made a meta point about Slam being Mafia but I can't read Slam for shit since after Carol when I read him right. Should I sheep your thing on Slam HF? ??? what makes you say that | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:26 LightningStrike wrote: Slam is always a confusing player when trying to read him. He's the master of WIFOM as both alignments but there is so little difference between his scum play and town play as far I can tell tbh with you bro. no, but you say you can't read him for shit since after Carol when [you] read him right. this implies to me that you read him right in Carol but then for some reason no longer read him right now | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:29 sicklucker wrote: Hes a really easy mafia read to me. Im not totally sure yet tho. being his mafia partner twice has helped my read on him be a good craftsman and explain your tools then and why they haven't led you to a conclusion yet | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:29 sicklucker wrote: Hes a really easy mafia read to me. Im not totally sure yet tho. being his mafia partner twice has helped my read on him On March 19 2015 11:31 sicklucker wrote: Scumteam is like dandred, slam ,super toad, palmer .maybe eden | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:34 Superbia wrote: Well at least you didn't forget your slam hard-scum read. he did at first lol kinda makes me think that's where the unprompted scumteam suggestion came from | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:38 LightningStrike wrote: So Eden thoughts on sicklucker so far? honestly idk. i feel like my own arguments against him are becoming progressively gotcha-type arguments instead of legit evaluations and that i'm not really being fair i'm probably gonna sit on it for a bit | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:42 LightningStrike wrote: Alright noted. Any other thoughts on other people? rsoultin is town. Damdred, Fecalfeast, Superbia pretty townie so far. | ||
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On March 19 2015 12:51 Trfel wrote: Thanks, that makes sense. That's one nice thing about no post limits, I can thank people for answering questions and it doesn't feel like I'm wasting a post. i like this guy | ||
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On March 19 2015 13:03 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + lol you realize we're going to make reading our filters a bitch to the rest of the players this way, right? xP that said, I'm comfortable giving you a day 1 town pass at this point congrats+ Show Spoiler + my filters are always a bitch to the rest of the players WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO! mafia is super fucked now that we 100% on the same page what movie did you go see? | ||
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On March 19 2015 13:06 Trfel wrote: Just noticed this. I referred to the "I am doing what I never do" part, as in Alakaslam playing seriously. Alakaslam thought I was referring to activity. Perhaps he is being self-conscious? Dang, I already got baited into replying. The thing he claims never to do is make pregame wifom excuses for activity. Slam wasn't talking about playing especially seriously there | ||
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On March 19 2015 13:08 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + Was watching Guardians so references don't go over my head lol xP they prolly still will i think i've already forgotten half the movie o.0 + Show Spoiler + ohhh, duh. lol. ya it seems pretty silly but i haven't actually watched it. i just wikipedia'd some references so i could make a funny miller fakeclaim. could be a fun movie to watch tho i guess soooo i kinda think slam is town now. thoughts? | ||
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On March 19 2015 13:15 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + xP I know I've gotten progressively less explicit on my reads the last several games, but you honestly can't tell? lol + Show Spoiler + ok fine that was a useless question lol. serves me right for playing smash and mafia at the same time how good are you at reading LS? it's dawning on me i'm not actually especially good at it :/ not sure what to think of his earlygame. it's typical LS but something about the thing he said with Slam in his intro bugged me a bit | ||
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Trfel I like Damdred for two reasons: - I feel like his tone is townie. Damdred was really frustrated in the last game we played together (I had a part in that :/) and ended up replacing out cuz he got burned out. Right out of the gate he comes in, he's posting and involved, he seems happy and he's getting right to work. I dunno if Damdred enjoys being mafia much but I know he enjoys being town (or at least seems to; he gets a lot out of the casework and questioning), and it just looked to me like somebody gave him a clean slate to go out and solve another mystery. - I've liked where his head has been with regard to the things he's been asking about. I don't remember specifics right now but he's made a few observations that showed me his head is in the game. Slam I actually play melee not pm lol. Used to Marth main but I switched to Sheik because speed and moves that are faceroll-level easy to string together into ad-libbed combos is pretty perfect for someone who plays casually. You should talk to OnceKing sometime he loves smash | ||
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On March 19 2015 13:24 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + I always understand exactly what he's saying xP which i think is half the problem most people have in reading him. But I don't have a read on him yet this game. Not making the JOAT mistake again lol + Show Spoiler + that actually makes a ton of sense lol. you cool with me just making you my lightning whisperer this game? i got faith in your m4d r34d1ng ski11z | ||
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On March 19 2015 13:37 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + except my m4d r34d1ng ski11z are about as consistent as a tweenie picking out an outfit for a night out xP i'd rather get people to discuss my reads with me lol + Show Spoiler + lmao, aight then i'll give it my best. bear in mind i have a propensity to townread the shit out of ls regardless of what he actually does cuz he's adorable so idk if i'm the best springboard | ||
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and whenever you intend to actually give some details that matter bill lemme know | ||
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On March 19 2015 14:13 Bill Murray wrote: and you were 4th on the same wagon which is a jeep tell in the rvs whenever you'd like to stop looking at a checklist and start playing the game lemme know On March 19 2015 14:14 Bill Murray wrote: you can attempt to dismiss this but you know for a fact im town so good luck i don't know shit about you or your alignment this game On March 19 2015 14:14 Bill Murray wrote: Also i'd like to say (page 25 now) I'm willing to lynch sicklucker for blatantly lying (if he indeed did) yes good sheep me | ||
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On March 19 2015 14:26 Damdred wrote: Why you gotta be spreading falsehoods why I replaced out Eden tsk tsk tsk. Anyway <3 bm just don't fake claim a cop/tracker this game. I've got to sleep. But seriously I am sorta liking where trfels head is so far, its not that hard seeing the thought process so far and where she's going. So that is a good thing. Reminder to self read toads filter. also hopefully ve and vivax do stuff tommorow lol, my bad, i figured it was cuz you were burned out. you totally were tho so my read totally stands | ||
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On March 19 2015 14:33 Bill Murray wrote: eden you got any questions for me? iwont be here but another hour or so will you be sad when my Bayou Bengals win the tourney | ||
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On March 19 2015 14:58 Bill Murray wrote: self meta is the worst meta Eden wait when did i do that this game | ||
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ff has done more than just shitpost in my recollection | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:12 rsoultin wrote: i won't pollute you with bias before you've even started + Show Spoiler + too late you've already convinced him we're town | ||
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here's a reads list without explanations to digest confirmed town: rsoultin don't lynch: damdred, trfel, ff, superbia probs don't lynch: slam minor heebie-jeebies: holyflare, ve lynch pile: sicklucker, exo all others null | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:18 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + that was actually you tonereading me on my first post lolol xP you can milk it a little for dramatic effect next time >> i give you permission + Show Spoiler + what, just a toneread dazzled him with our towniness? i'm not that charming, am i? | ||
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Bruh that's explaining a running gag that's longer than a pregnancy by now. Not even close to the same thing | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:26 Bill Murray wrote: also im going to dip off topic but when UK traveled to LSU it scared the shit out of me and I expected that to be our only loss (that I've expected this far) i was hopin we could get it. i feel like we got a ton of talent, they (and the coaches) just need to keep their heads in the game. too much damn inconsistency i'm hype tho. tourney this year... simmons and blakeney (and maybe newman????) next year with anybody returning... hell yea man! | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I give no weight to claims at this point. And Toad I'm policy waiting on. Til probably like halfway through the second day of d1. So like, ask me again tomorrow. He's a guy I take extra special caution in lynching because historically I disagree with Toad and want to lynch him regardless of alignment. It's led to some pretty spectacular busses in the past. not even claims that literally can't be true | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:35 Bill Murray wrote: eden that was totally self meta but im willing to drop it because i like your spoilered post about LS. i found his entrance into the game a bit bugging as well maybe you can be the homie after all why is ve supposed to want to lynch you rn? | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Well that's perfectly reasonable, and why I asked you. See? Cooperation! I do know that, but I'm not willing to put someone on a no-lynch list for it. As I said, it's too easy and mafia and town do it in equal measure. But from MY experience with FF that's laced with in-game nuggets. You picked up on one I missed because YOU are having a little thing with Eden and that's fine. sorry you aren't pseudomasons? | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Consider it from a mafia perspective. Like, it's possible he just didn't read to see if it was self aware or something and made a mistake, but how likely is that? Fake-claiming draws attention to one's self regardless of whether it's like a running gag or not, DOES he make that mistake? DOES he care? As either alignment? I just find it uninteresting as something to read him on right now. you can talk about me like i'm talking to you anytime you want | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:39 Bill Murray wrote: can someone explain chupazi to me... it feels like a mix of omgus and trolling? i think it's supposed to be general badstuff. like a foul miasma whose tendrils slowly tether themselves around the very soul of TLMafiaTown slam is really the only one who can explain this though | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: To be fair, I may not have read it because I was filtering at the time and just reaction posting in the thread. Anyway, just bear with me - I just spent 3 hours mentoring on a video mafia stream, I thought filtering selectively would be a more efficient use of my time. I ticked you off as town earlier on for something so you weren't someone I was filtering XD admit it, you sheeped my townread on her it's ok. literally everybody should every single game | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:46 rsoultin wrote: eden senpai, focus super...i'm not scumming him but the townread is because? he seems like he cares i admit i'm probably sleeping on his scum game, but my experience with it in imperial was... less than stellar. i'm not convinced superbia is a player who can get motivated to play scum very easily given his comments in this game, and he seemed pretty engaged when he was here. where do you have him? | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:47 Bill Murray wrote: oh i forgot to mention i need to go. someone who's played with bill before... i townread this. i have no idea why i townread this. i think it's because it's a little post that i feel like you only think to say as town even though there's no reason why you couldn't do that as mafia. does he do this on the reg? am i crazy? or maybe just dumb or maybe just right. o0o0o0o0o0o | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:51 rsoultin wrote: eh wasn't a fan of his entrance, warmed up to him a little as he posted but he's a solid null for me currently lol wasn't he the one who admitted to carrying his scum team before? xP ya but who hasn't done that? i did it once and almost did it twice (shoutout to the homies bunnies and epishade, that was a good game). i'm more zeroed in on where he said he has less trouble getting up to play as town than as mafia | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:56 rsoultin wrote: mmm i dunnae...i think my problem was i liked where art was at lol and many of super's comments i simply didn't agree with at the beginning of the game lol >> we'll see. i'm not calling him scum, just not comfortable calling him town on something that flimsy that's fair. i'm not married to superbia being town | ||
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On March 19 2015 16:07 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + gnite eden ^^ tch i'm older than you. should be beaten for that xP + Show Spoiler + wait, have we talked about this? this sounds familiar but i don't remember~ | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote: out of curiosity, have you ever done a myers briggs type test? i ask because i have the feeling our types are the same or very similar...which is all to say that even when i disagree with you when you're town i usually have no trouble at all following your thought process ^ i'd still like an answer to that question out of curiosity xP but more on point: your sicklucker and superbia scumreads...why? lol and you're definitely talking to me like you think i'm town so where did that read come from?+ Show Spoiler + what's your mbti type? i am around but not caught up, and my other game i'm in got hella interesting, so i will probably be useless the rest of d1. sorry | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why I hate people playing 2 games at the same time. I don't know if it's alignment indicative for Eden. I can't talk about it but suffice to say I signed up last-minute cuz I thought the game was going to end soon and then I found out it wasn't yesterday and now I found out it really wasn't. I'm really not liking ExO though. This is a little ridiculous and looks like somebody reaching for a reason to vote. Notice how he talks himself into it during the post? Even a cursory glance at the first page of the forum would have validated my story. And his interpretation of my post is hella uncharitable. I said I would probably be useless. I didn't say I wasn't going to participate or that I wouldn't try not to be. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: ExO_ | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + probably not. lol blind shot, xNTx. couldn't guess betwee J or P to save my life and I'm not sure if your extravertedness online transfers to RL | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because I'm not mafia, I don't want to lynch town. Why is he town ._. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:39 LightningStrike wrote: Eden you should check ExO's filter from Newbie LX he playing very similar to that game ugh i barely have time for this game let alone researching another one. cliffs bro? | ||
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On March 19 2015 16:40 ExO_ wrote: Read the filter of SL, and the case against him seemed very silly to me. It's a huge stretch to me that he got caught in a lie about emoticons, and the reason he lied was because he slipped as mafia in some way. Damdred/Rsoultin hopping onto that seemed poor to me. However Eden is who really stuck out to me from that whole ordeal. And his filter is huge. Normally largest filter = town, or at least that's my initial thought. But as I read through it, he's giving out town reads on a whim it seems like, a considerable number of them. And his scum reads seem like just throwing shit out there to see what sticks. I didn't like what I see. But again, he is the largest poster and is at least to some degree driving discussion. This, Artie? Doesn't seem especially townie. It's not scummy but it's not a reason to read him town. What do you mean by "reasonable for him"? | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + Not bad? INTJ lol...talkative once i get to know people but rarely before LS is right on ExO though...part of this argument i've seen from him before when he was town xP I don't think it's a good argument but i wouldn't say it makes him scum meh i've got a nasty headache...will be around later + Show Spoiler + i wanted to say intx! the linguistics thing made me think so i think i am entp. i am a socionics ENTp and i think that transfers over correctly ok FINE i GUESS he can be town. only if rso says so. but i really don't see why still | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:50 ExO_ wrote: If anything this proves you are reading and here. And call me selfish but I care more about players participating in this game than in other games. I do think it's a little suspicious how quickly you came back the second you were accused (I guess the other game isn't as interesting as you thought? However I'm aware that I have a tendency to tunnel when I get a read, sometimes very stupidly. So Eden help me out. Other than that OMGUS read on me, who do you think is scum right now? It isn't OMGUS, if you would have actually read my filter instead of pretending to when you voted me you'd have seen I had you in my lynch pile from last night. You coming in here and making up a terrible reason to vote me didn't help. I haven't caught up on this thread yet at all, there's still like 15 pgs I need to read. If sicklucker hasn't done anything useful since last night he's mafia though. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:17 ExO_ wrote: You literally voted me right after I voted you. That's an OMGUS. It's like the definition of an OMGUS. And really you have no scum reads to throw out there, except sick lucker, the train from yesterday? You're clearly keeping up with the thread and have had no problem throwing out town calls, but nobody else but sick lucker looks scummy to you? Yeah okay /s I was really on the fence about keeping my vote on you or not. But this post more than anything helps me make that decision, at least for now. How the fuck is it OMGUS if I scumread you first??? I'm not keeping up with the thread. I said that. I've got more than a dozen pages left to read. Do you even read before you post? | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jesus that ExO_ guy is so town. How? This guy is making shit up | ||
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This guy can't be this fucking terrible. Lynch with fire. | ||
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THE READ ON SL BEING MAFIA WAS MINE BEFORE IT WAS HOLYFLARE'S | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: except you never give any real reasons for your vote on SL which makes the read shit by default. YES I DID ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:09 Eden1892 wrote: the more holyflare posts the less i want to lynch slam i'm gonna lynch sicklucker instead unvote vote sl On March 19 2015 09:17 Eden1892 wrote: what's weird is that you do On March 19 2015 09:21 Holyflare wrote: also we 100% lynch this guy because he was in horn and read the game so knows everything about what they are saying Literally right here in my filter (and then a little after for HF). Anyone claiming otherwise isn't reading | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:31 LightningStrike wrote: Also Eden chill out bro no need to be extremely mad already this early o.o Yes there is, no matter what game I join there's always stupid fucking idiots that scumread me for no reason and ignore my awesome reads | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:27 sicklucker wrote: Hey guys happy to see its not a small game just got home see you when I read like 50 pages If this guy doesn't deliver by the end of the night (it's 3:30 PM here) he is mafia. 100%. | ||
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this exo dude is really bad but if rso says he's town i don't care. i will just ignore everything he says until i happen to see something that isn't bad. sl is definitely mafia until he does something though | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah so this is about the lying thingy that does not make sense. How doesn't it make sense? He fronted like he wasn't in the games we were talking about and made up a wrong heuristic to townread rsoultin because I correctly townread her. Then he hasn't done shit since. Town sicklucker is all over the place and involved in the game. This sicklucker hasn't been so far. I give him the night to prove himself but if he goes to bed tonight without having been the sicklucker I know and love from other games he is scum. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:39 ExO_ wrote: "awesome reads" None of which you seem willing to give. Because I can't imagine you would classify the very loose shitty reads you gave early on as awesome. You're still on SickLucker. The reasons you gave early were trash, so I'd like to hear you reiterate your case. Or even better give out some other reads With decent reasoning to back them up. why reiterate anything when you obviously haven't read in the first place? if you read my filter my reads are right fucking there in a convenient list for everyone | ||
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On March 19 2015 15:16 Eden1892 wrote: idk why i checked back in cuz im not actually gonna try right now here's a reads list without explanations to digest confirmed town: rsoultin don't lynch: damdred, trfel, ff, superbia probs don't lynch: slam minor heebie-jeebies: holyflare, ve lynch pile: sicklucker, exo all others null literally it's right here. if you claim i haven't given reads you are wrong if you claim i haven't given reads while claiming to have read my filter, you are wrong and also bad i've explained basically all of these at varying points in my filter. i will entertain questions about them if you claim not to have read my filter or admit you're bad and did read my filter but didn't see the explanations already | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: this makes sense yes, this is not however why you originally voted for him which is what ExO was talking about. true, I originally voted him for the contradiction, not the lack of doing anything but exo is giving me completely unwarranted shit for still finding sl suspicious, when the bolded part is now true | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:45 ExO_ wrote: I have read your filter. The reasoning on sick lucker is poor. There aren't any other great scum reads. A lot of strong town reads thrown out though. Plus, there's been a ton of pages since you've given out any new reads. Has nobody else stuck out in your eyes, so much so that you're going to tunnel that really really bad SL read from the start? Do you really see no scum? Can you really offer nothing? Are you going to just throw a tantrum and whine and cry until this passes? ya keep antagonizing me when i'm already obviously super-pissed, that's going to make me give answers | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:54 ExO_ wrote: You don't seem like you're going to offer any new information, no matter how much I press you for it. I'll ask again, feel free to ignore it if you can't come up with an answer: Has nobody else stuck out in your eyes, so much so that you're going to tunnel that really really bad SL read from the start? Do you really see no scum? i'll offer it up when i have it and when i feel like giving it to you i'm not sure what part of I HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP YET hasn't gotten through yet, but I HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP YET, so the answer is no, I don't have other reads yet. artanis made a good point about ls delurking, and i had an issue with the way ls mentioned slam in his intro before. but it's not good enough to do anything with yet i think the in-fighting between artie, toad and ve doesn't interest me one bit and i haven't read it since i've been in-thread. i get vague mafia vibes from artanis (despite his point) but again it's not enough to do with. there's STILL literally nothing wrong with my read on sl. i stand by it and if you think it's bad then you're bad. simple as that i think i stand by my townreads without further reading. definitely stand by my rso read. probs stand by my ff read, although his big case on ls was a little weird to me cuz i'm not used to him making big cases. unless superbia or damdred dropped off the planet since last night they're still ok in my book. i might have updates whenever i get around to rereading but quite frankly i'm hella pissed off at the game of mafia rn, like "debated posting my role pm" level pissed off, so you're gonna have to quit whining about my not catching up and deal with it for now, cuz i'm not in the mood to catch up right now | ||
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On March 20 2015 06:03 ExO_ wrote: Actually I've found your responses and reaction to pressure to be most revealing, and quite frankly a bit childish. Keep in mind this is a game, and threatening to reveal your role PM is bad sportsmanship and pathetic. not this game, the other one | ||
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i looked at holyflare's filter for 5s and if he's mafia idk what to do. he had the same bad vibe i did about artanis posting just to be present. i could see ray being mafia but it is entirely oot reasoning and bad and i am trying my best not to engage in it | ||
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sl i feel better about. i should prolly just lynch artanis for my bad vibes about him ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Artanis[Xp] artanis what have you done this game that shows me you're really trying to solve things instead of just making surface-level observations about things that are happening while you're in the thread? i feel like your filter has a lot of the latter and not much of the former | ||
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On March 20 2015 06:14 sicklucker wrote: Free townread for rayn for making sense and pointing out im telling the truth when all people want is to point out my"lies" this is not a good reason to townread ray imo | ||
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On March 20 2015 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why are you expecting something of me that I never do as town? I make good observations. I don't "solve things". I rarely find mafia and am rarely certain on suspects. okay, what are some good observations you've made this game, and what have you done with them? i can think of a couple of the former, but to the latter there's never an answer | ||
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On March 20 2015 06:19 LightningStrike wrote: Okay since no one is really asking me questions atm I finding it odd that sicklucker is giving a free townread to rayn when you shouldn't give free townreads do you guys finding that odd? no it's not the best thing sicklucker could be doing but it's not odd for him | ||
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On March 20 2015 06:20 Fecalfeast wrote: Yes I personally think LS's play this game deviates from his normal town play starting to agree | ||
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On March 20 2015 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote: Not all of us have perfect information, bro ok and my fecalfeast townread. that one survives the reset | ||
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On March 20 2015 06:27 Damdred wrote: Nope it's the anger over small things that make him town. no. last post before break. do not enable this. i am not happy that i get mad like this. do not reward this ever. friends don't let friends rage | ||
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Like this: On March 19 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote: :/ so i have a confession to make >> << i was enjoying the song on the first page -bebops- and have never watched this movie -gaspmurmurgaspshemustbescumomgmurmur- rsoultin is town. | ||
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Town: rsoultin, Alakaslam, Toadesstern, Damdred Null: All others who've posted rsoultin is town. Alakaslam sounded pretty earnest in his argument with Holyflare. "He's a little too serious too early" doesn't really resonate with me especially when Slam repeatedly insists he intends to break that tell for him this game. In particular his posts on p18-19 about "finding difficult scum" and "fallacy clean" caught my attention. Toadesstern fell into the trap I fell into with Hammertime, which is to take Palmar seriously early in the game. His reaction is exactly like mine was a couple of times in that game. And he immediately questioned Artanis pretty pointedly on something when he saw it, really looked like he was reading and trying. Damdred said everything I was thinking when I was rereading things. Reads Slam as town in particular and highlights the specific posts I had in my notes. Town. Artie seemed a little more townish than the rest for his question to Slam about scumreading HF for using correct meta. It's not something he can't do as mafia though. | ||
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On March 20 2015 08:46 Breshke wrote: Eden I need your opinion on the slam/HF argument thing. It felt like everyone was kind of staying away from it at the time like not interfering. There was people in the thread talking about other things but no one really got super involved with HF and slam. Whereas when someone calls out SL a bunch of people jump onto it. This lead me to the conclusion that Slam and HF are both town and mafia was going to just let that fight continue. But it could also just be a thing where early on peple don't want to interfere in stuff so they can get reads on people. I'm on pg 44 and catching up fast i slept for like 12 hours so feel elss shit should be around more today I kinda go the other way, a lot of people agreed with HF pretty fast about Slam being too serious. I don't know just from that whether Holyflare is town but I do think Alakaslam's behavior during it was pretty townie. | ||
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On March 20 2015 09:09 Trfel wrote: I don't think that the argument between Palmar and Toadesstern says much about Palmar's alignment, but I do think it suggests that Toadesstern is town. As for it not making Palmar scum, Palmar's played really lazily for many games lately (Linux, Down Under 2, etc). Palmar also really likes to use tonereads. I can understand Palmar seeing Toadesstern's opening, and remembering it being different from the heavily formatted, fancy, and pristine opening that he used in Hammertime Mafia, and saying that Toadesstern is scum for it. I wouldn't actually expect Palmar to check Toadesstern's other games here (which clearly show that Toadesstern's opening post isn't alignment indicative). And if Palmar only knows Toadesstern's play in Hammertime Mafia and this game, his scumread of Toadesstern wasn't that horrible of a play (I would still disagree, but not that horrible). I guess the difference is probably that I have different expectations for Palmar than you and Toadesstern do. A+ Have a townread | ||
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On March 20 2015 09:27 Breshke wrote: Also eden were you aware that the miller role was yondu? I don't understand why you say you wikipedia'd references when you most likely just read it from the OP I had to look up the Ravagers reference | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Note Dump] + rsoultin town Two early arguments that I really don't care to read but I'm dragging myself through anyway: - Holyflare/Alakaslam - Palmar/Toadesstern HF/Slam I quickly got bored of. I tended to agree with HF that it was weird that Slam reacted as defensively as he did and was skeptical of HF's obvious joke, but I'm not sure it really means anything. As I read further though, Slam seems pretty earnest with his "finding difficult scum" and "fallacy clean" posts on p18-19. Slam might lean town for that. Toad/Palmar didn't really seem like it went anywhere. Toad seemed pretty townie/trying early, I got where he was coming from with Palmar (although I think he came to pretty much the exactly wrong conclusion; I did the same thing with Palmar in Hammertime lol) and he immediately started questioning Artanis pretty pointedly about something. Toad is probably town. Palmar idk yet. Damdred pointed out the "finding difficult scum" post almost immediately so that's good news. Damdred can be a little townie for that. (LOL I even found my own previous post noting he should be town for that. Guess he's in town pile.) Artanis asked a good question to Slam about why Slam scumreads HF for using accurate meta. ===P21 BREAK=== sicklucker might be mafia but it's not for what I initially said. I am agreeing now that the "slip"/"lie" thing isn't very strong. But sicklucker seems like a bit of an ass early, calling rsoultin annoying more than once and saying things like "I dont acualy know what your shitty read is." The thing is that sicklucker doesn't say rude things like that until he gets confident in his picture of the game state. You'll notice it in Imperial if you bother to read there (I don't blame you if you don't). When he's town he started off not being very confident in things and questioning people, gradually starting to get comfortable with his picture of the game as he got more information. THAT's when you started seeing the cockiness come out. C.f. when he's mafia he's usually cocky almost all the time. I feel like it's fake cockiness when he's mafia because he tries to mirror his town behavior. Also shoutout to myself for calling it out immediately even though I didn't realize why I was calling it out at the time. #wow #tier1instinct #putthatboiontharank Lol I missed ray voting Slam with no explanation. Legit thought it was someone else who was already posting. ray why did you vote Slam? ExO_... ExO_ is town. Ugh. Moving on. I'm also gonna add the reads I remember to the list. Current reads: rsoultin Damdred, ExO_ Toadesstern, Alakaslam, Trfel, Superbia, Fecalfeast Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, Palmar raynpelikoneet, Vivax, LightningStrike, Onegu, Breshke, VisceraEyes sicklucker Guide: Green, bold, underlined - confirmed town. Green, bold - confident town. Would not lynch today. Green - Had reasons to think they might be town more than null. Not confident in it yet. Still would likely not lynch today. Bold - Have been saying things but I have them null. If they're still here when I catch up they're probably mafia, just judging by the list of people in there. Normal - Haven't said things I can remember in the parts I've reread. Will keep an eye out for them as I continue. Red - Had reasons to think they might be mafia more than null. Not confident in it. Wouldn't mind lynching today. Red, bold - confident mafia. Trying to lynch today. Red, bold, underlined - confirmed mafia. | ||
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On March 19 2015 17:13 Onegu wrote: Anyway I haven't read the thread and my wife is going back to Thailand for a month in the morning. Plz for the love of God everyone vote Eden or rsoultin. This spoiler shit needs to stop and then never happen again in future games. Groot out. mad | ||
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I dunno I can't actually justify it so maybe it's bad | ||
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On March 20 2015 10:11 Breshke wrote: Eden why do you think exo is town now. Says damdred and rsoultin look poor but never goes back to them. Commits his entire postings to being about you even though he expressed doubts on damdred's and rsoultins alignment. Rso for one has been town read by a majority of people so if his opinion differs on this why not explain it to the group. This also reminds me of me as scum i get comfortable with a scum read and just constantly post questions and attack that person. rso said so basically. And he DOES look like he's digging and trying early in his filter (mainly in those first 30 pgs I read). I would love it if the guy who was a dick to me earlier was mafia tho. It is hella weird that after going after me like he did, he just drops off the planet as soon as I give him some actual info. Maybe he is mafia. I am trying not to get tunneled on him though because he was hella fuckin rude earlier and it'd be easy for me to want to lynch him | ||
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On March 20 2015 10:10 Superbia wrote: So I feel like rayn is different from his town game this game. He essentially scum-reads me, damdred and SL. While I'm scum-reading both damdred and SL and voting on SL. Moreover, his initial scum-read was both me & SL (iirc). Which makes absolutely no sense since I spent a fair amount of time (perhaps unjustly) burying SL. Like these interactions should be obvious, especially if he's scum-reading me (indicating he has put time into my filter). Hence prob scum. Damdred I have elaborated upon. Probably my most likely scum at this moment? SL is kind of meh at the moment. I remember at some point going "definitely scum" around the time he posted his list and mentally reminding myself not to flip on him. Essentially, I feel like his posts have been rather emotionless, while I have SL mentally noted down as an emotional player. Need to re-evaluate, I feel. So the conundrum is that there is now a scum-read triangle (again, iirc) between SL, damdred, and myself. Essentially, each of us is reading the other two as scummy. I am relatively convinced that there is at least 1 scum between the 2 (SL and damdred), but for some reason I don't think both of them are scum. Honestly out of this I'd take Damdred as town. You have your scum read ray scumreading Damdred and you have SL (who has a decent shot at being mafia) also scumreading Damdred | ||
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TOWN rsoultin. My rsoulread game is too strong. Damdred. Whenever I would go back and reread things with a clearer head I'd find Damdred saying my reactions to them as I read. He's probably town for that. Trfel. He explains himself well, looks genuine, seems to be digging. Alakaslam. Early behavior with Holyflare was genuine. ExO_. Begrudgingly. rso says so, and he did seem like he was trying to find answers. Note the coverage of Trfel's opening in particular for this. Superbia. Again I might be sleeping on his scum game but the effort he's put in so far strikes me more as town Superbia. I don't really see where he was "too angry" as a couple players put it. Toadesstern. His reaction to Palmar early was 100% my reaction to Palmar doing a similar thing in another game when I was town. If people really need to see this it's the whole "Palmar, why aren't you learning from past mistakes?" thing, I think I had a moment like that in Hammertime but I don't recall for sure. Bill Murray. Decent observations on LightningStrike that I liked. NULL Holyflare. He's posted a lot but as I reread I find myself shrugging at all of his suspects and pushes. I haven't finished reading yet so maybe he comes around, but for now I'm not really getting super town vibes. I also really didn't like how mad he seemed to get at Slam, especially given how quickly he stepped back down it seemed... off. Artanis[Xp]. He's said a couple things I liked but he also seems pretty background and bland. I'm used to mafia!Artanis being in this area, not town!Artanis. I get a mafia feel from him but I can't really argue it well and I'm not convinced yet, so he can be in null for now. raynpelikoneet. I thought his posting was pretty involved, but when rso asked me to explain why I thought he was town I couldn't actually do it. Call it a gut feel that he's town I guess - reverse Artanis above. Palmar. Can't read this dude. Don't feel like he's been productive this game. Don't like it. MAFIA sicklucker. Still feels like he dropped off in activity like he does as mafia. Suspending judgment. LightningStrike. Could lynch this guy. Didn't like his Slam comment when he entered. Didn't like that he suddenly delurked that one time he did it. Don't really get the same level of involvement from him. Anybody else not listed I forgot about or had nothing interesting to say about. Think that's VE, Onegu... straight up don't remember the others lol. | ||
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o ya I think Breshke is null too. Wait and see kinda null. Vivax was the last name, also null tho he said a couple of neat-o things. | ||
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what. no i don't agree with that. we gonna discuss this later. like i'll defer on exo cuz im biased as fuck about him after being mad at him earlier but i actually really believe in this ls thing | ||
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On March 20 2015 10:41 rsoultin wrote: -whispers- you'd still be wroooooong xP palmar agrees, too. historically palmar and i are the best at reading the ls but palmar is null + Show Spoiler + stop baiting me into posting i need a break and u KNOW i cant just ignore your posts ughuisdhkhsldfg; | ||
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it's like... no, it wasn't a good game. your deck worked and mine decided to durdle with taplands and wrong-colored mana. this was basically goldfish. how is this a good game ._. i get that they aren't LITERALLY saying that and it's just a show of sportsmanship (which i guess i appreciate?) but i really feel like i'd rather hear something else. like when this happens to other people and they find 2 lands all game i say something like "sorry your deck wouldn't play ball" is that better or worse iyo? am i just retarded? update at 11 | ||
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On March 20 2015 11:33 Superbia wrote: I had you as leaning town for having similar reads, so when you sheeped the read alarm bells started going off. To be quite honest, I still don't 100% understand Vivax's read on me. It did kind of feel town, I don't really think like mafia would try to fight me. idk. so if mafia don't fight you then why are you scumreading damdred who's more actively engaging you than vivax | ||
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On March 20 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: Was it just a casual match or a tournament match? BO1? BO3? More info needed casual bo3 and my deck bitched out on me twice. the game i won i actually got to play things and stomped | ||
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On March 20 2015 12:24 Superbia wrote: Atm I'm not hard town reading him. I have him leaning town but kinda null since you're moving up a little. why does damdred moving up affect vivax moving down? | ||
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On March 20 2015 10:10 Superbia wrote: So I feel like rayn is different from his town game this game. He essentially scum-reads me, damdred and SL. While I'm scum-reading both damdred and SL and voting on SL. Moreover, his initial scum-read was both me & SL (iirc). Which makes absolutely no sense since I spent a fair amount of time (perhaps unjustly) burying SL. Like these interactions should be obvious, especially if he's scum-reading me (indicating he has put time into my filter). Hence prob scum. Damdred I have elaborated upon. Probably my most likely scum at this moment? SL is kind of meh at the moment. I remember at some point going "definitely scum" around the time he posted his list and mentally reminding myself not to flip on him. Essentially, I feel like his posts have been rather emotionless, while I have SL mentally noted down as an emotional player. Need to re-evaluate, I feel. So the conundrum is that there is now a scum-read triangle (again, iirc) between SL, damdred, and myself. Essentially, each of us is reading the other two as scummy. I am relatively convinced that there is at least 1 scum between the 2 (SL and damdred), but for some reason I don't think both of them are scum. if your most likely scum at the time is Damdred why is your vote on sicklucker and why do you never vote Damdred? | ||
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On March 20 2015 12:31 Superbia wrote: Why is this relevant? It's not EoD and my reads are not set in stone yet. Chances are I'm not changing my vote until EoD. just seems like you would actually vote your primary suspect no? especially when 3 other people were already doing it | ||
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more than your top scumread at the time who was also a viable wagon ??? | ||
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and it certainly matters cause it doesn't really indicate to me that damdred is your top scum. it's pretty clearly contradictory and i want to understand why the contradiction exists | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:01 Superbia wrote: Notice the question mark after I call him my top scum. weak on damdred: "probably my most likely scum?" on sicklucker: "kind of meh at the moment" on both: "relatively convinced there is at least 1 scum between the 2, but for some reason i don't think both are scum" vote is on sicklucker while there's a significant damdred wagon i don't understand how you can type all 3 of those things and not conclude to yourself that damdred is mafia | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:08 Superbia wrote: I'm about to become mad Eden. Why the fuck are you voting me over this? Your entire argument is that I did not vote for my "top scum". Even though it's blatantly fucking obvious I'm still evaluating HALFWAY THROUGH DAY FUCKING 1. no my argument is that what you're saying is inconsistent and i don't understand why please explain why you don't conclude that damdred is mafia from the 3 statements i summarized from your post which (i would think) should clearly lead you to conclude that | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:09 Superbia wrote: I haven't checked every filter in the game yet. I don't have a read on everyone yet. Hence I don't know what team of 5 I'm supposed to look for yet. afaik nothing i'm saying here depends on anybody but sicklucker and damdred so i'm not really understanding why you need to be looking for a specific team of 5 to answer this query | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:15 Superbia wrote: I'm posting my thoughts. I said I thought Damdred was mafia. People who I read townie said I needed to re-evaluate on Damdred. Damdred started posting. His posting seemed like it could come from a townie mindset. Now Damdred is null, slightly leaning mafia. Yeah? superbia. follow me here man. you're not answering the question. at the time you posted, before anyone could give you feedback on damdred: you said "damdred is probably my best pick for scum?" you also said "sicklucker is kind of meh" you also said "i think there is 1 mafia between them but not 2" given these things why do you not conclude damdred is clearly mafia and sicklucker is not? | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:17 Superbia wrote: By the end of the day I prefer to look at the bigger picture rather than single out individuals. I want to see if the person I'm voting for fits in a mafia circle. Is there a universal wagon? How are the other people I'm reading scummy interacting with this individual? Etc, etc. ok, i kinda understand the logic here, but i feel like you have to start by finding individuals. and frankly i'm a little worried that this process excuses you from finding individuals | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:29 Superbia wrote: And then you guys told me "nono, damd is town" and it's like, whatever, I guess I'll re-evaluate? Though I may just say fuck you guys and still read him mafia tomorrow, we'll see. okay, this is the second time you've made the same logic error. i will explain again. if you make it a third time i will be forced to assume it's deliberate and respond accordingly. all of the following statements were contained in one post: - "damdred is probably my best pick for scum?" - "sicklucker is kind of meh" - "i am relatively certain 1 of them is scum, but i don't think both are" because these were all contained in one post, no one could have given input in-between any of these statements to change your relative certainty that one of them is scum. so taking this at face value, i do not understand why it is that you: - don't firmly conclude damdred is mafia - don't conclude that sicklucker isn't mafia - don't move your vote please explain why this inconsistency exists | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:30 Superbia wrote: Like I'm off for now because I want to catch the eclipse tomorrow. i was gonna get salty at not getting an answer but this is actually hella legit you better have a good answer when you come back tho. and pics of the eclipse | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:39 Superbia wrote: You're literally an asshole. But whatever, it's like 4 hours away. Not going to get much sleep either way. i said pics because i wanted to see the eclipse and i can't cuz i'm a bajillion miles away | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:42 Bill Murray wrote: if sicklucker is up against people i view as town (damdred, eden, etc) i am going to vote him on the policy of L.A.L. (lynch all liars) as it is, though, i am going to relax tonight and see where the thread goes tomorrow. im going to catch up on the EU LCS i missed today, and try to whip another 80 pages out of my book on the french revolution. ive read most of 80-93 (or at least skimmed) so im only lacking ~20-30 pages of reading/skimming plus i mean having read the first 30-40 pages of the game i have a decent feel for who is going to contribute and who isn't I don't really have any strong reads. I'm sure scum are merely eluding me because I'm rusty... but there is ample opportunity to catch them later. I'll get up with you guys tomorrow. Have a safe night hehebilll muray u are a disacre soon as i talk 2u abot the ncaa turney my team lose r1 this is on u | ||
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On March 20 2015 13:48 LightningStrike wrote: Eden always jumps with his reads and just asking if he's getting something from it knwoing how he jumps alot as town. what if i told you the answer is no | ||
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On March 20 2015 14:19 LightningStrike wrote: I was wanting to know if you got something out of it on Superbia's alignment because if you didn't it looks bad in my eyes at least. oh. lol ya well i'm voting for superbia so... lol i'm really having trouble understanding his thought process in that post. as of now, without superbia's forthcoming explanation, it seems like he was trying to say things about other players without really coming to direct conclusions about them. damdred i think touched on this earlier, i think i spelled out more explicitly how. he seems like a decent lynch right now, but i do want to wait to give him a chance before i start yelling to bury him. i'm not sold that this is ironclad i just think it's good enough to run with for now and press harder on | ||
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On March 20 2015 14:24 sicklucker wrote: Breske why are you voting me after reading me right your pretty terrible have you learned nothing... Im playing dota right now but im not letting you gobbers lose another game for town by killing me as if ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/lol-duck.gif) | ||
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On March 20 2015 14:53 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + retarded >> lol you left yourself wide open ^^ (i actually couldn't be bothered to read that exchange; i'm so bad xP) + Show Spoiler + adorable. this spoiler thing is the best idea i/we ever had for mafia | ||
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On March 20 2015 15:03 rsoultin wrote: oh was that what it was about? that argument has now been used so many times @.@ on various players at least i'm not missing anything xP eh it's not QUITE the same but i have to admit it's not all that different either such a letdown | ||
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On March 20 2015 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm taking another myers briggs right now Does this imply that I dream the same/a similar fictional world every dream or that my dreams often involve a defined fictional world? Or does it imply that my aspirations and goals for the future involve a world that is not real? if i had to guess: - vivid implies the actual phenomenon of dreaming not abstract aspirations - the statement is examining whether those dreams are set in your actual life (dreaming about meeting friends from work at a bar) or a fictitious setting (dreaming about life on mars) | ||
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On March 20 2015 15:10 Fecalfeast wrote: does it include daydreams? + Show Spoiler + alakaslam is mafia. someone once said that if slam is not having fun he's mafia. Does this slam look like he's having fun? good question, i'm not sure. you'd think so but daydreams seem like they're more consciously guided which i don't think the question is observing + Show Spoiler + i had him slight town because i thought his initial reaction to hf's push was solid. idk anything about fun as a measurement for slam and i'm not sure i have an evaluation of whether or not he's having fun gg | ||
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hmm that list is pretty baller. i feel better about damdred and worse about palmar. bump tha homie breshke up. i also had toad higher but i feel your reasoning for why he is where he is tell me bout how palmar is almost in townish | ||
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boy you literally posted 2x in the past 6 hrs both to just complain at people who scumread you where you been this game? | ||
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On March 20 2015 15:26 Holyflare wrote: assertive - unwavering turbulent - wtfamidoing ...o i have no idea how i'd score on this. everyone will say high turbulence and i won't be able to argue it but that's just for mafia | ||
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On March 20 2015 15:26 sicklucker wrote: My reads are the best in the game hf... you lost your townread Like how do you guys not see that dandred is mafia? Do you not play mafia with him? When he leads hes town when he lurks and sits on the sideline hes mafia its not hard cite sources please. damdred doesn't always try to lead as town | ||
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On March 20 2015 15:30 sicklucker wrote: ?? He literraly does hes on a 5 game streak doing it as town no he's not just the last game he was in this didn't happen lol | ||
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On March 20 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Damdred is still the best shot for Mafia because his reads are more superficial than they usually are, he hasn't done anything and the way he's going about filtering is unlike how he's usually done it. He doesn't withhold reads on people and try to confirm other people as town for explaining it; he just saves up information and then spits it out in one big post that confirms him as town and makes us lynch his suspects. This damdred just seems to be playing to survive. I think Rayn is a good second candidate because he's not really made his presence known. His push on Damdred was weakish and he hasn't really gotten mad at the people scumreading him too like HF. One point in his favour was the way he attacked me when I talked about Damdred confirming himself as town when he's town; it felt quite genuine. On March 20 2015 22:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's good. Damdred confirmed town, time to sheep. ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax On March 20 2015 22:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Suddenly it makes sense. I kinda discarded Vivax because Rayn townread him which I have no idea why I did so. Actually noted him as slightly worrying too because he hasn't gone pants on head retarded yet which Vivax normally does. Additionally I know something extra about Vivax that makes me think he's scum but that's information I can't disclose without being a dick. so your top scumread makes one long post about Vivax that doesn't actually conclude anything spectacular and you're now ok with calling him confirmed town and sheeping it? that's something I do but it's not something YOU do and you discarded a Vivax scumread earlier because your #2 scumread said he was town??? which you're now backpedaling on because your #1 scumread said he was scum????? explain before I lynch with fire | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:28 Vivax wrote: It's like Damdred vomited a wall of text and Artanis confirmed him town just cause wall of text. good observation. and to think i almost just sheeped damdred lololol | ||
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let's see where this goes! ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Artanis[Xp] | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:35 Palmar wrote: I'm a bit pre-occupied today because of Censored. I'll try to do stuff later but most likely I'll just sheep people who look like they care. I still think there is a good chance Damdred is mafia. I think my points on him were good. I don't think Artanis is mafia. Like obviously this only works for me, but if he is mafia he knows I'm town and he's been fairly casual in trying to interact with me, which he wasn't at all in imperial (I know, shitty meta, but still...). I'm unsure about Toad. He really overreacted to me calling him mafia in the early game but I think he actually really believes the stuff he said about both me and Artanis in his big case, even if I think it's all wrong. The scummiest thing about him right now is that he seems to expect me to actually go read other games when everyone knows I don't really use meta and I hardly ever re-read old games. I don't know about rayn. He went after Damdred before me, but I can't remember why. I think holyflare looks fairly town. He has a lot of posts and seems to care. SL could be mafia for fencesitting about me and toad. LS is town, as explained. rsoultin is maaaybe town? VE has actually been seriously underwhelming and is a good shot for being mafia. I can't remember almost nothing of what he posted except he promised not to lynch me today. If I have time his is one of the primary filters I know I should read. rsoultin made me read exo's filter yesterday and he looks sort of ok as I explaiend then. I think that's all the people I remember off the top of my head. I know there's a few others (breshke etc) but I don't really have an opinion about them. b.r.u | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:55 rsoultin wrote: eeeeden >> i want rayn ;o; lynch rayn with me pretty please? unless you have a reason not to :/ then i want to hear it my reason is "lynch artanis" LOL why not artie? | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:57 rsoultin wrote: artie could be scum but i don't know how to read him :/ i'd rather lynch about 4-5 people over him lol rayn i think i've got nailed gimme cliffs cuz i don't have a lot of time to go reread to find your reasoning | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:06 sicklucker wrote: Guys just vote dandred one post does not get him off the hook. no, vote Artanis. Damdred's case looks like it could come from townie Damdred. Artanis's flip onto Vivax does not make sense | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:07 rsoultin wrote: it's a toneread, eden essentially i've noticed that as town when he's getting reads he interacts with players...about his own reads, about theirs, not just settling on spectator analysis he's been such a minimal force this game, and his reads are dropping like judgments. the interaction isn't there this is something i specifically noticed about his town play because it impressed me...it's actually part of the reason i'm being less forthcoming in my own reads cause i think you can get more out of it, pulling people in to comment on your reads before you say why you think the way you do xP hmm that's kinda legit i will keep it in mind today @work and i might move over. ray hasn't dazzled me in here but for now i think artanis is better lynch | ||
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Everybody's on Vivax from the looks of the vote thread. I see something about vigs on this page as I type. What's going on? Counterwagons look like LightningStrike and... ok I admit I forgot the other one LOL. What's going on there too? And did Artanis ever satisfactorily answer my questions to him? I'll look at that myself but if anybody was paying attention that's awesome too. FWIW I will probably sheep rsoultin today if I can't get caught up enough. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:14 rsoultin wrote: vivax leading wagon...claims vig toad CCs rayn claims blue as some people start voting for him instead i said i needed a hardclaim he claimed tracker so now the debate is whether or not we should lynch one of the two vigilantes and which one ^^ cliff notes lol I say we don't kill either vig and let them resolve it themselves. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:16 rsoultin wrote: there is? but it's still kinda inconsequential cause vivax doesn't have to be the mafia vig as mafia to claim vig -shrugs- No there straight up isn't, unless that "make sure any one person dies" thing is a vig. I thought that was the enforcer | ||
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Like it'd be really funny to watch. Whoever fakeclaimed out of the vigs is SO FUCKED But they might have rb so bad idea. I would lynch Vivax out of the two, Toad seemed townie at the very beginning when he argued with Palmar. His reaction to Palmar was 100% legit to me cuz I did the same thing as town before. The logic is soooo townie POV to me. It's faulty, because Palmar DGAF if you think he should be trying new things or improving from previous mistakes or whatever. But that is exactly the thought you should have about Palmar if you don't know better. Plus I don't get why mafia cc's town vig here d1. Just shoot the guy at night or rb him lol | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah you wouldn't understand it anyway and you are scum so.. .bye,. ray you gotta trust me on this one. rso is town. maybe the other people scumreading you are mafia but rso is not. trust me 100% | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:22 Holyflare wrote: So what's happening Vivax claimed vig Toad cc'd ray claimed tracker Currently deciding lynch. Most ppl seem to want to lynch b/t vig claims. I'm mostly on board with that and think Vivax is better choice. Secretly I want them to shoot each other though LOL | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:22 Holyflare wrote: Phil conners is bill murray btw we should lynch him What does this mean lol | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote: Just give it a night, we force the vigs to shoot our own targets or they claim mafia. If they don't it's free mafia. Deal If I have to sheep you to get this happen I'll just do that. Cuz this immediately occurred to me as optimal play. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Bill Murray | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:29 Holyflare wrote: But if we kill bm for good he can't respawn and it won't be LMFAO | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck you people you are so bad. ray why is killing the vig cc the right answer | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am not killing "vig cc" i am killing mafia. he is the one cc'ing the vig though. lol that's what i mean so why are you sure he is mafia exactly? bear in mind i haven't read due to [[REDACTED]] so please be patient with me and explain concisely why you think he's mafia On March 21 2015 06:34 Palmar wrote: The best reason for voting for Vivax is that Toad is using big letters and actually seems to care a fuckton. lol i can't argue with this | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:37 Vivax wrote: Guys who fit the profile the most are Artanis, Trfel, Eden, super. what cred am i farming vivax | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BM wagon is looking so pure though. there's still plenty of room on the ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MOL0JGO.gif) | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The "A masterpiece of empathy." sounds like you're accusing me of a lack of empathy. If you're town and believed I was mafia, you would presume I'm simply trying to further my win condition, so you wouldn't fault me of such a thing. this is dumb ._. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:56 Palmar wrote: Like I am more than fine with lynching a townToad for being bad and this gambling on a single role and thus outing his own role is actually just terrible play if he's town. plumber plz. this is bad. it is strictly better from his POV to cc mafia, get mafia lynched, and then use his shot on another suspect than it is to let town guide the lynch on the other suspect | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:58 Palmar wrote: except even if vivax flips he's always getting roleblocked. ok fair it's not strictly better. i just really like saying strictly better. but it's still not that bad to take the high-% play and certainly not lynchable | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote: BILL MURRAY JOINS GAME BASED ON FAVOURIYE FLAVOUR EVER. PROCEEDS TO AFK ALL TIME EVER. COINCEDENCE? he got stuck in a time warp let's put him out of his misery | ||
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i will do post density analysis later but i feel like his activity level is high enough to pass my standards. plus his question to onegu about voting with his partner is hella good esp. since onegu didn't do that at eod give that boi a townread | ||
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what's scummy about those two things? i interpret this simply to mean that he thinks BM was town and is trying to make you explain why you thought otherwise | ||
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On March 21 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote: Before Viva's claim: After all three claims: Viva, Toad, Rayn Final votecount with BM switch Lol, figured I'd share...I like the visuals without the strikethroughs...more on this later but i think the main problem here is not knowing for sure the alignments of the vigis :/ rsoul plz. i got so happy when i saw you post these vote counts and then there's no actual analysis ._____. | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:52 Holyflare wrote: because I posted all of my reasons for lynching bm in the thread at the time...........? honestly I thought he was towny at the start (you can see it in my list) went to go get drunk saw mass hysteria and wanted a new target because both claims pretty townyish remembered the multiple afk excuses and that bm was lurky as fuck so just thought he would be better, especially intoxicated  but the thing is i made all my reasons very clear in the thread so why would he need to ask for my reasons to lynch BM? it just looks like a pointless question for the sake of asking a question no offense to the homie ls but imo you could say this about a fair number of his questions he asks and i'm not sure it's alignment-indicative. for example after i finished pushing superbia he asked me if i "got anything out of questioning superbia" because "if [i] didn't [i] look bad." literally though that's all it was. though now that i think more about it, what actually bothers me a bit is the lack of followup from him | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Who should the vigs shoot Holyflare? You cited that as reasoning for not voting for Toad or Vivax, what's the verdict? good fucking post a+ was about to ask this to the whole thread | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:59 Holyflare wrote: I know after making that plan I should be putting in the work to follow it through but like...................................................................... meh? :D :D :D :D D: boo bitch | ||
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On March 22 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote: eden why do you feel like the most underwhelming person in this game but have loads of pages? that's not usual because your feelings are wrong | ||
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but then I found this and it's more interesting. On March 21 2015 05:18 ExO_ wrote: I Highly doubt there'd be 2 vigis in the game. And I think lynching Vivax right now would be idiotic. That claim leaves him very open to a counter claim. There hasn't been one yet. We shouldn't lynch Vivax right now. I'd really like more discussion on the rayn claim of tracker. On March 21 2015 05:21 ExO_ wrote: Jesus Christ, step back from the rhetoric for a second. He's not a confirmed mafia, in the slightest. Reevaluate the case. You're tunneling so hard, and it's not convincing somebody like me that he's mafia. It looks to me more like you're just dead set on lynching him and no information gained in the thread will change your mind. "I highly doubt there'd be 2 vigs this game and I think lynching Vivax is idiotic because his claim leaves him open to a cc and there hasn't been one" <CC> "He's not confirmed mafia for you cc'ing him, step back and stop tunneling" If ExO_ believes there aren't 2 vigs this game then why is he lecturing one vig claimant about the claimant's certainty in wanting to lynch his counterclaim?? | ||
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On March 22 2015 02:31 Vivax wrote: While the point looks good on its own, Eden, when I read his filter and step on this I think he's town for believing this. can you elaborate on this? that makes the thing I found even more damning to me lol "why are you so sure vivax is mafia toad? stop tunneling he's not confirmed" "no vivax isn't mafia vig, but vivax IS mafia" | ||
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ExO_: Why did you chastise Toad for wanting to lynch the guy he counterclaimed when you had just said you don't think there are 2 vigs in the game? | ||
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On March 22 2015 02:36 Vivax wrote: Well it looks like he wasn't sure about me being mafia before he found the perceived slip, and thinking that what I said was a slip when I simply forgot about a mafia vig being in the game is so dumb it's townie. But that's the issue - why wouldn't he be sure? He had, after all, just said that he found the idea of 2 vigs being in the game exceedingly unlikely. The only reason he wouldn't be sure you're mafia is because he would be entertaining the idea that Toad is mafia. But then you look at how he talks to Toad and it's like he's coaching Toad on how to be persuasive to other people. I'm trying to avoid saying things like "he's talking to X like X is confirmed town" because that argument has been done to death not 72 hours into the game, but there's a complete lack of skepticism or inquiry in his comments to Toad there, and this is right on the heels of saying in effect that one of the claimants is mafia. | ||
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i go to check the most recent pages after getting this far: Voting-based reactions to claims:
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On March 21 2015 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote: That's what I'm saying - a counterclaim doesn't solve shit because they could BOTH be telling the truth or BOTH be lying for all we know. And the mafia vig if it exists could like, SHOOT Vivax if he's real and CLAIM that he was the real Drax and shot the imposter. Like, that's part of the reason I don't like the claim - because he instantly thought he should be clear for it. On March 21 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm coming around...I just don't know about having 2 drax in the game with the Orb being a thing. On March 21 2015 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh.......... I don't know what to do. I feel like this situation could resolve itself in the night though. Is everyone against that? On March 21 2015 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay. I've thought rayn was town most of the day, maybe badly but whatever. ##Unvote ##Vote: Toadesstern Sry Toad, if you're town you should have just let us lynch whoever and shot Vivax. This thought progression makes no sense. VE spends most of the time talking about how the counterclaim doesn't solve anything, he comes in later and says he's "coming around" to having 2 vigs, wants the night situation to resolve itself and then literally not two minutes later votes for the cc without directly stating a reason. VisceraEyes: Why did you believe Toad was mafia here? Why did you think mafia would cc in this situation and why did you flip so quickly from wanting to let the claims resolve themselves in the night to voting for the cc? | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:09 ExO_ wrote: Read my filter. At that point I didn't realize he had CCed """my b" - Chillen" - Eden" - Eden | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:27 ExO_ wrote: Damdred: When I first began pressuring Eden I wasn't 100% sure on it. But his reaction to me seemed very panicky, and thus made me think he was scum. I'm not sure what part you didn't think I followed up on, but from what I remember he never brought up any counter points or things for me to answer when I was questioning him. He just got raged a bit. After he "reset" he seemed a bit better to me so I've backed off. I'm still not sure about him. But I think after the results of day 1 there are significantly better people to be looking at, which I've mentioned. You're damn right I was angry after day 1, because I highly highly disagree with what happened. A bunch of people jumped on a borderline mod-kill lynch instead of resolving 2 people CC. I heavily do not believe both are vigs. I just don't think its possible. Therefore it would've been better to figure out who's lying in my mind. An opinion I stand by. And don't say I'm incapable of scum hunting before day 2 even starts. I already know exactly where I should focus. But it would be better for me to see the results of the night. After all what if both Vivax and Toad die? Or if one dies and pops vig (though I suspect this will only happen to Toad, as I do believe Vivax is scum). And on a side note. I know everyone here has played a lot and agrees long filter = town. But is that always true? Is it really that hard for a mafia to post a lot, especially like in Vivax's case for instance when he was on the chopping block? But then if you aren't sure of me why do you still have yet to followup on any of the subjects you were pressing me about in the first place??? | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:14 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred I was townreading Artanis so when he voted Vivax and the counterclaim by Toad I really thought Vivax was Mafia and I wasn't around at EoD because I was picking up my Dad from the Airport and having Dinner with him but if I was there I still wouldn't move my vote to BM because I was townreading BM if you had checked my filter -_- Also I should of told you guys this but I just been really demotivated because my Grandpa who I only met when I was a toddler is dieing and he might die within a few days and was stressed out about him dieing and not knowing him real well but since I signed up I feel like I still have to play it out even if I don't want to. I will try to be better but can't guaranteed anything on that. I going to get my haircut now and go to a BBQ with my parents and wont be back till after EoN so if I'm alive I will check everything and see what I can come up with myself! I know how that goes. Don't worry overmuch about this game, family first. Message me if you need any help amigo. | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:34 ExO_ wrote: You're like 6th down the line for me. I'm more interested in Palmar, rsoultin, HolyFlare, Vivax, and rayn. I think they are all more likely scum than you are. You haven't seemed nearly as bad since you're little tantrum, then reset as well. well since i'm town you're not wrong but let's start with some of these others cuz I don't agree. except not with rsoultin, you don't need to worry about her yet - if you decide i'm town you can 100% sheep me on her being town. why HF as mafia? | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:44 ExO_ wrote: Because he started the BM train. We were going to resolve the 2 vigi nonsense day 1, and then he came in and derailed it onto BM. rsoultin I feel like should've known better than to switch, so I find it odd that she did. I don't agree with the reasoning she gave me for switching. Palmar for that last second "yolo" vote. like wtf. And rayn is on the train too, but I was highly suspicious of that tracker claim he threw out there. Of all these people HF is probably the weakest scum read the more I think about it. But he did start the useless ass train onto BM. So I have to at consider him. so you make nothing out of him claiming masons with Onegu and Onegu confirming it then...? | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:47 Onegu wrote: Then why aren't you putting me in your scum list? m y n i n j a | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:16 ExO_ wrote: Because I'm not sure if I want to accept it or not. But I have seen it and do think its possible, even likely. I don't like this answer. You seem to phrase it as though you were indeed aware of their claims - "I'm not sure if I want to accept it" meaning that you were considering it but haven't decided on an opinion. But then why does the claim not seem to inform your reads at all? You make no mention of it in reading Holyflare and you make no mention of Onegu at all when they literally have to be the same alignment. Can you please explain this discrepancy for me? | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:25 Holyflare wrote: do you not think that it's weird that the play that we're inevitably stuck with is that we control the vigi shots and the only people we need in the thread are the vigi's and one of them is here while the other afk's doing nothing? On March 22 2015 04:26 Toadesstern wrote: Sorry guys had a shitty day, stuff happened, no time for TL. Were there suggestions on what to shoot? If not I'd like to suggest a Holyflare shot. Trust me guys I know what I'm doing chilling | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote: I'm a big mafia threat. for you | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:29 Toadesstern wrote: I bring death to all the fakeclaimers so shoot Onegu instead at the very least. no offense Onegu you're the homie but if Toad is shooting a mason claim to confirm them HF is more valuable than you :o but this is moot because you're not shooting them. | ||
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let's look at this situation and assume HF is mafia - Toad and Vivax both claim vig - Either one is mafia or neither are - If one is mafia then HF passed on the chance to lynch Toad to save his partner Vivax and instead lynched vt OR he passed on the chance to lynch Vivax to save his partner Toad and instead lynched vt and now his partner is threatening to shoot him - If neither is mafia then HF passed on the chance to lynch a town vig to lynch vt in no world does that make sense | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:49 sicklucker wrote: I know only one of you are really a mason because it would be really retarded if you both claimed for no reason. Be very careful with whoever the one who is faking being your partner. ..................... | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:05 Alakaslam wrote: Vivax, shoot Rsoultin. If she is town we can deduce rayn may very well be scum NO. FUCK THAT. DO NOT EVER EVER DO THIS. I will policy lynch you d2 if this happens. When the fuck are people going to start recognizing I have a literal 100% for sure accurate read on rsoultin | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:30 ExO_ wrote: 100% accurate until you aren't What makes you so sure she's town, anything not meta-based? I whiffed once in the history of playing with rsoultin and that was when I was still developing / first figured out the read. I am not wrong, this is not under discussion | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:37 ExO_ wrote: I guess I haven't thought it through yet. Onegu has been very quiet and has hardly stuck out so I've not been playing with what he's said in mind. But you're right they do have to be the same alignment. And I don't think I'd be comfortable calling both scum at this point. I was/am really pissed off at HF for starting that BM lynch train. And he thinks he's some huge threat to mafia, when I think what he did helps mafia more than it hurts. But begrudgingly I think he's more likely to be town i'm still a bit unsettled with this, but i think it is objectively an acceptable answer. so i'll let that sit and continue onward you named Palmar as another suspect. why? | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote: he could have just afk'd on toad and vivax would still die there is 0 way we let him get away with that | ||
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definitely not: sicklucker Vivax rsoultin Toadesstern Onegu Breshke raynpelikoneet Holyflare Damdred Eden1892 probably not: ExO_ Fecalfeast? Palmar? Trfel ehh/maybe: LightningStrike Superbia Fecalfeast? Palmar? Artanis[Xp] sure: Alakaslam VisceraEyes if vigs shoot out of my sure list i'll be happy if they shoot out of my ehh/maybe list i won't be bothered if they shoot out of my probably not list i'll be bummed if they shoot out of my definitely not list i'll be mad | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote: hmmm i'm pretty concerned about breshke and when I say pretty concerned I mean he's very likely mafia :/ his posting volume is worrying atm but when he's been here i've felt like it's town breshke why did you have ve as town btw? | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:58 Vivax wrote: Can you stop posting wishlists and go into more substantial things cause christmas is long since over and I'm not santa claus. ya sure slam is very disconnected from the game which doesn't fit with the "i'm trying to be serious this game" mindset he says he's trying to bring. pretty simple case there. visceraeyes had a really weird rationale for getting on the toad wagon that didn't really look like a coherent, evolving picture of the game state. i also feel like he's been around a lot without really trying to find mafia and his posting level relative to the thread is right in the "comfortable" range where mafia want to be (active enough to avoid being accused of lurking but not super involved with the thread) | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:02 rsoultin wrote: eh you're one of those out of sight out of mind players for me; that's why you're one of my filter review dudes still get weird vibes from superbia but don't think he should be the shot | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:23 Holyflare wrote: also, i hate large games fml lol 200 pgs first cycle | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:33 Toadesstern wrote: Okay Eden you're the only one I'm trusting right now. I'm not going to shoot VE. Period. Take that as me being serious. Do I shoot Onegu or do I listen to people? listen to people shoot slam since vivax hasn't confirmed he will and slam is a good shot | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:51 Toadesstern wrote: I spend like 2 hours to write this up and I'm pretty damn sure Onegu is mafia though what the shit did you even write up | ||
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On March 22 2015 07:08 Toadesstern wrote: The vig is called by name. It's like someone claiming Batman in Arkham city and someone counterclaiming and people are "wait what if we have two fucking batmans" you guys are horrible i hear this, but last time i banked on logic like that, blazinghand was ACTUALLY the other jailer and i don't know the flavor well enough to try to see whether or not there can be 2 drax's | ||
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On March 22 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote: I MEAN HES PROBABLY NOT RLY THE MEDIC I DOUBT DANDREDS THAT DUMB ITS JUST SOME FUN WIFMO calm down bro ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/today_I_saw_weird_shit_billy_madison.gif) | ||
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On March 22 2015 13:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't even understand. Did you not read the post and assume? Sounds more like a half-assed fake dumbtell No of course I read it, that was a brick joke to let people know I'm coming and I'm hype as fuck | ||
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The Mason Claims So first of all, Onegu. Just based off of the fact that Holyflare ran with the masons thing instead of trying to get Onegu lynched, I'm gonna assume HF thought Onegu was town. I'm not very good at meta reading Onegu and he hasn't done much of anything this game to make me think anything of him. I'm cool with sheeping Holyflare here tho. If we have the luxury of an alignment check on Onegu then we can figure it out that way, but tbh if he's legit the mafia will have to NK him as long as we don't collectively go full retard and make him lynchable. That said we shouldn't 100% believe Onegu's partner claim right now. Onegu already fakeclaimed a partner and he could very well be doing it again for kicks or for strategy or for whatever. Instead we should wait until ray comes back to the thread and confirms or denies that Onegu is his partner. I am reasonably confident he will and this issue will be resolved, but we maximize the value Onegu's able to get out of his play by simply letting this claim resolve itself, as it's soon to do. The Jailer Claim When the fuck are y'all just gonna take my word for it? I'm the fucking Prophet of Rsoultin by now. Seriously. Yes she's the jailer. Yes saving Onegu over Holyflare was silly, and yes doing it because medic dodge is even sillier. But hey, player who's relatively new to the blues side of the game rolls blue and plays suboptimally. Shocking. Film at 11. rsoultin is the real medic. The Orb Trfel, I appreciate your enthusiasm and good job catching mafia. But for future reference, in a situation like this, don't disclose that you got and used the orb right away. I understand the impulse and it's definitely from the right place, you think you have something good to share (and in this case you totally did!) and you wanna get it out right away. But you can maximize the value you get from your information, and extend your play to potentially catch mafia, with some reservation. LS is a relatively new player to mafiaside and he's known to have issues with busing his teammates. Imagine what you could have gotten out of pushing him on his reads list all day and then claiming your orb check with ~6 hrs in the day. There's probably a gold mine in that list, but now we gotta mine it ourselves instead of having him mine it for us. You obviously still did a great job, don't get me wrong, this is just free advice for the next time you end up with an investigative role. Investigative roles are powerful because they represent information the mafia don't have; they reduce the information gap between town and mafia. You don't want to put all your cards on the table until you're reasonably sure you got everything you needed from it. I would have had more to say on this, but I got the impression LS confessed (I didn't read the actual page(s) where it happened, but I read the leadup and I see people quoting what sounds like a confession). And honestly, there's no excuse for tracking a claimed mason at all, and marginal excuse for checking one. So this was pretty much in the bag. Good job Trfel. The Vigs Toad shot VE, Vivax claimed to shoot Slam but was roleblocked. I'm gonna second Artanis's filter/etc. argument on Vivax being town, because it's pretty convincing. Plus Vivax being roleblocked as it's known he was shooting Slam makes perfect sense given my suspicion of Slam. And knowing Vivax is town, mafia Toad is literally never going to counterclaim vig d1 and try to get him lynched. At this point I have no problem believing we have two vigilantes. continued... | ||
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Player List: 1 sicklucker 2 Vivax 3 rsoultin 4 Toadesstern 5 LightningStrike 6 Alakaslam 7 ExO_ 9 Onegu 10 Breshke 11 Superbia 12 Fecalfeast 13 Palmar 14 Trfel 15 raynpelikoneet 18 Artanis[Xp] 19 Damdred 20 Eden1892 The first thing I have is that Alakaslam is mafia. This is a pretty easy case I made during the night. Here's the highlights:
The second thing I have is that Artanis is town. Artanis's activity level and involvement, especially since around the last 8 or so hours of d1, has really skyrocketed, and I believe it's well outside his normal mafia range. He's a really talented player and certainly capable of playing a good scum game; hell the guy's nominated for Best Mafia Performance for just that in a similarly big game. But he was a lot more background in that game than this one, easily. He's been driving home a lot of good points and coming to a lot of good conclusions. This guy is town. The third thing I have is that Damdred is town. He's been busting his ass this game with strong analysis in n1, he's been involved and despite not being the loudest voice in the room, generally making sure his reads aren't forgotten and his opinion is heard. This is big because mafia!Damdred is a lot more okay with being a background player. The other thing is his frustration over VE dying. This is a pretty noticeable tendency in Damdred's town game, he gets frustrated when people don't listen to him about his reads and do the opposite of what they would imply. He could fake this frustration as mafia, but you look at how he came back soon afterward and got right back to the grind and that's how you know it's genuine. The boy just won't quit. he's town. continued... | ||
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Player List: 1 sicklucker 2 Vivax 3 rsoultin 4 Toadesstern 5 LightningStrike 6 Alakaslam 7 ExO_ 9 Onegu 10 Breshke 11 Superbia 12 Fecalfeast 13 Palmar 14 Trfel 15 raynpelikoneet 18 Artanis[Xp] 19 Damdred 20 Eden1892 I probably should have included FF with the other reads, since it's similarly easy to make, but three is a pretty number so I decided to save him for this post. This post is why Fecalfeast is town, given that LS confessed. I regret skipping over this post d1, I skimmed it and went "ehh" and then didn't really think too hard about it. But look at the nuance in his analysis. He really digs into how LS is bringing things up and compares his meta reads to LS's town tendencies (like the observation, oft repeated since, that LS asked other people to post prior games and make his meta cases for him in essence instead of doing it himself). Then when he could have been the deciding factor in lynching a town vig, he stays on mafia. Even knowing now that LS had irl issues to deal with, LS is probably one of the poorest bus targets you could have. He's hard to read if you aren't very careful and meticulous in your observations, and it's very easy to look like you have too much information. You really have to be right for the right reasons when it comes to LS. And besides, how easy would it be for mafia just to be like "Oops, guess LS was mafia, I figured it was just LS's normal game" if LS ever gets caught? It's just such a weird bus target. Fecalfeast is town. Second, Breshke is town. I've played with Breshke as both alignments before, and although this level of activity is more within his scum range than his town range, the quality of that activity is what distinguishes him in my mind as town. Breshke is one of those players who has a lot of trouble posting when he's mafia, and it shows. Generally when he's making insightful observations, he's town. When he's mafia he doesn't go for the TMI, "look at how useful I'm being" angle, he's more of a lurker who gets by on minimal effort. Posts like this are why Breshke is town. This is a good observation and is key to a later read of mine. You'll also notice that it's a followup to a previous question he had, another good townie signal. it's easy for mafia to lose track of something they asked in a huge thread like this - remembering to follow up later, especially when the point is actually good, is a pretty townie sequence. Third, sicklucker is town. Y'all are just gonna have to trust me here. I'm gonna explain it, and it's not gonna be anything he can't necessarily do as mafia, but you're gonna believe me here because I'm slowly becoming pretty good at meta-reading sicklucker (not as good as I do with rsoul and probably never as good, but increasingly reliably good). sicklucker is displaying the inquisitiveness that I associate with his town game. His activity level has finally become acceptable there as well. If I'm wrong about anybody in my town pile it's probably SL, but I still feel pretty confident he's town. He's bouncing around in the thread chasing whatever weird angles he has to pursue. He needs to keep doing this obviously, and if you see him slack off and one of my scumreads turn up then feel free to disregard this read. But for now I think he's town because he's showing that he cares about figuring shit out and he's within his town range of activity. continued... | ||
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Player List: 1 sicklucker 2 Vivax 3 rsoultin 4 Toadesstern 5 LightningStrike 6 Alakaslam 7 ExO_ 9 Onegu 10 Breshke 11 Superbia 12 Fecalfeast 13 Palmar 14 Trfel 15 raynpelikoneet 18 Artanis[Xp] 19 Damdred 20 Eden1892 Lol is that 3 people left to identify with 3 scum remaining? Don't worry, I'm not just using POE. ExO_ is mafia because...
Superbia is mafia because...
Palmar is mafia because... Haha I lied, this one is just POE. If I'm wrong about any of my suspects it's Palmar. I guess you could point out that LS's curiosity about Palmar dropped off a cliff after he posted his big reads list, but that's not really good. It's cool though, town has at least 4 more cycles to figure him out so idgaf if I'm wrong here really. CONCLUSION: Scumteam is LightningStrike, Alakaslam, ExO_, Superbia, Palmar. Lynch in that order. If I'm wrong about anyone it's sicklucker. Don't let him drop off the face of the Earth. Pretty much everyone else is convincingly town. All of our current claimants are legit. No other claimants are likely to be. | ||
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1 sicklucker 2 Vivax 3 rsoultin 4 Toadesstern 5 LightningStrike 6 Alakaslam 7 ExO_ 8 Bill Murray (RIP) (My b) 9 Onegu 10 Breshke 11 Superbia 12 Fecalfeast 13 Palmar 14 Trfel 15 raynpelikoneet 16 Holyflare (RIP) 17 VisceraEyes (RIP) (My b) 18 Artanis[Xp] 19 Damdred 20 Eden1892 | ||
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On March 22 2015 14:45 Toadesstern wrote: I FIGURED THE SHIT OUT LOL Too late, I already solved the game. Go back to bed | ||
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On March 22 2015 14:49 Toadesstern wrote: We're going to change that order a little once this day is over. At least one in there is town and I have not yet figured out which one Ok nvm. Don't go back to bed. Whatcha got | ||
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On March 22 2015 13:48 Trfel wrote: Yeah, it wasn't an ideal play to claim that I had the orb right away. However, a few factors motivated this decision. Namely, a ton of people begging for my head, and a potential tracker. So I tried to out ASAP to keep myself safe. Why do you think that mafia will shoot one of the masons? They can't lynch the masons and if for whatever reason there's any doubt about the pairing mafia might make a yolo gambit to try to claim being the other partner (though I doubt this second one highly). As for people wanting your head, no sweat there. Your play will prove itself in time. I get the pressure from that, it's just a learning experience here, but in the future just keep grinding and fuck the haters man. You would vindicate yourself big time with your play | ||
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On March 22 2015 14:51 Trfel wrote: Toadesstern, if you solved the game, it would be nice to let the rest of us mere mortals know XD Eden, why wouldn't you believe any more claims? Five claims is an awful lot as-is. I could believe 5 pr's given two of them just confirm each other, two of them are the same role and thus invite mislynches of each other and the 5th is directly dissynergizing with the 2 that actually do something. Esp. given that we also know mafia has RB if we take the claims at face value, this seems balanced. But I feel like even one other is too much power for town | ||
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On March 22 2015 14:51 Toadesstern wrote: can't tell before the day is over. Make sure to poke me endlessly when this day reaches deadline so that I don't forget about it. Probably poke Artanis and tell him to poke me as well. bruh. ._. ok fine w/e i'll try to remember | ||
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On March 22 2015 14:54 Toadesstern wrote: give it your all to prove to me that you're the townie in there! I believe in you! i don't but this!! really if you are town slam you gotta ramp up yo game sson. | ||
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On March 22 2015 14:55 Trfel wrote: I guess I'm still skeptical of the mason claims... But I'll need to take another look at that later. There's an extremely good chance I'm wrong on that. The great thing is that we have an ML to give so even if we're somehow wrong about them, lynching one is enough to sort that shit out. I wouldn't worry about it though. Claiming masons is a low-EV play for mafia. | ||
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On March 22 2015 14:57 Alakaslam wrote: Maybe when I am here more I can. I'd rather let it be what it is. From what I can remember and see, Holyflare should have been scum so Idunno- Idunno- probably Rsoultin! Idunno probably our claimed jailer that oh yeah I have never misread once I've figured out how to read her over a month ago???? | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:00 Toadesstern wrote: There's absolutely no need to discuss that right now. The Mason claim is fine. So eden you think Palmar is the most likely to be town if you had to drop one of the reads? By far | ||
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On March 22 2015 13:44 Eden1892 wrote: OK boys, fasten your seat belts. We finna win this game. The Mason Claims So first of all, Onegu. Just based off of the fact that Holyflare ran with the masons thing instead of trying to get Onegu lynched, I'm gonna assume HF thought Onegu was town. I'm not very good at meta reading Onegu and he hasn't done much of anything this game to make me think anything of him. I'm cool with sheeping Holyflare here tho. If we have the luxury of an alignment check on Onegu then we can figure it out that way, but tbh if he's legit the mafia will have to NK him as long as we don't collectively go full retard and make him lynchable. That said we shouldn't 100% believe Onegu's partner claim right now. Onegu already fakeclaimed a partner and he could very well be doing it again for kicks or for strategy or for whatever. Instead we should wait until ray comes back to the thread and confirms or denies that Onegu is his partner. I am reasonably confident he will and this issue will be resolved, but we maximize the value Onegu's able to get out of his play by simply letting this claim resolve itself, as it's soon to do. The Jailer Claim When the fuck are y'all just gonna take my word for it? I'm the fucking Prophet of Rsoultin by now. Seriously. Yes she's the jailer. Yes saving Onegu over Holyflare was silly, and yes doing it because medic dodge is even sillier. But hey, player who's relatively new to the blues side of the game rolls blue and plays suboptimally. Shocking. Film at 11. rsoultin is the real medic. The Orb Trfel, I appreciate your enthusiasm and good job catching mafia. But for future reference, in a situation like this, don't disclose that you got and used the orb right away. I understand the impulse and it's definitely from the right place, you think you have something good to share (and in this case you totally did!) and you wanna get it out right away. But you can maximize the value you get from your information, and extend your play to potentially catch mafia, with some reservation. LS is a relatively new player to mafiaside and he's known to have issues with busing his teammates. Imagine what you could have gotten out of pushing him on his reads list all day and then claiming your orb check with ~6 hrs in the day. There's probably a gold mine in that list, but now we gotta mine it ourselves instead of having him mine it for us. You obviously still did a great job, don't get me wrong, this is just free advice for the next time you end up with an investigative role. Investigative roles are powerful because they represent information the mafia don't have; they reduce the information gap between town and mafia. You don't want to put all your cards on the table until you're reasonably sure you got everything you needed from it. I would have had more to say on this, but I got the impression LS confessed (I didn't read the actual page(s) where it happened, but I read the leadup and I see people quoting what sounds like a confession). And honestly, there's no excuse for tracking a claimed mason at all, and marginal excuse for checking one. So this was pretty much in the bag. Good job Trfel. The Vigs Toad shot VE, Vivax claimed to shoot Slam but was roleblocked. I'm gonna second Artanis's filter/etc. argument on Vivax being town, because it's pretty convincing. Plus Vivax being roleblocked as it's known he was shooting Slam makes perfect sense given my suspicion of Slam. And knowing Vivax is town, mafia Toad is literally never going to counterclaim vig d1 and try to get him lynched. At this point I have no problem believing we have two vigilantes. continued... **REAL JAILER LOL | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:02 Toadesstern wrote: On a scale from 0 to 10, how yolo are we to maximize swag here when d3 starts? Sheeping me on all of my reads is pretty much an 11 on yolo swag so 11 | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:02 Trfel wrote: Thanks a bunch, Eden, for that analysis. Oh, and I don't think I ever thanked Damdred for his analysis earlier, either. I was probably pretending to not be reading the thread. So, thanks to Damdred as well. I'll be going to sleep really soon, looking forward to seeing what people come up with. I made it to page 32, so yeah, real stuff from me will be a while in coming. Just, please, keep an eye on the claimed masons. No problem and yeah, I realized Damdred's 4 suspects from his analysis are the 4 I'm pretty sure on too lol. Which makes Damdred pretty much confirmed town to me. Looking forward to your real stuff homie | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:05 ExO_ wrote: Ill be back tomorrow evening. What I'll say is somebody has lied and I dont think they've realized it yet. Im going to let this little charade play out for a bit and see what happens. All ill say is check some of these meta reads. people are wrong. Look up "lie" and read that sentence again And that's fine meta reads can be wrong. What about the non-meta reads implicating 4 people pretty strongly that I made? | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:11 Alakaslam wrote: Yea true just like the reasons that make me scum. That's partly the reason I want to flip so bad uhhhh no. i don't think i'm wrong on you, but i acknowledge that however unlikely, it's possible. i will not acknowledge the possibility that i'm wrong on rsoultin as of right now | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:12 ExO_ wrote: should read I dont think they've realized they've I know and can provie they lied you better have a damn good reason for holding out on explaining. without knowing what the reason is, i'm not going to push it because it could maybe be legit. but i expect answers tomorrow evening | ||
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i think we lynch exo/superb then superb/exo then slam then palmar. my points on exo/superb are actually grounded really concretely on things that happened in the game and while my slam ones are as well, i think my exo/superb points are better. so instead New Lynch Order: LightningStrike, ExO_, Superbia, Alakaslam, Palmar | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:20 Alakaslam wrote: Eden is scum. He doesn't want me to flip because he knows I am raging about it in a way that isn't going to help town at all yet still wants me dead after others He knows I am so far behind and so disgruntled that I will not help town period so he wants me to be put on back burner no i'm pretty sure i moved you back cuz i realized my exo/superb points are stronger than my slam points | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:23 Alakaslam wrote: WHAT THE HLLY FUCK OF ISIOCY LIKE I AM OME TO TALK VIT I DONT GIVE A SHIT ANORE IF I AM TOWN YOU DONT WANT TO LYNCH ME IF I AM SCUM UOU DO SO LYNCH ME NOW OR NEVER BECAUSE I AM NOT GOUNG TO BELOF CREDIT TO TOWN slam pls if you're town why the fuck do you want us lynching you before SOMEONE WHO LITERALLY ALREADY CLAIMED SCUM | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:21 Breshke wrote: I really get the feeling that Exo has the orb and is misunderstanding the mechanics so he thinks he can use it to say trefel lied? This is just a guess Nice posts eden. The only thing I don't agree with is superbia but I need to relook at him because the townread mostly came from him mirroring my thoughts EoD. i would entertain the orb thing... except ls literally claimed scum in response rofl | ||
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"hey guys i really need to leave the game. can we find a way to bus me for towncred?" "i know! i'll fakeclaim tracking you to hf's body with the orb." "great plan, but what happens when the guy with the orb cc's?" "..." | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:32 Alakaslam wrote: I didn't even ask that I am more rage because so far back on the list I am tomorrow period Obv for the kp u kill LS first but you don't then proceed to every other fool on the list except palmar You do ME NEXT AND REEVALUATE ...or, we could kill the guys on whom i have good mafia cases, and then reevaluate BEFORE lynching you which you should want if you're town but might be okay with not having if you're mafia | ||
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On March 22 2015 16:18 ExO_ wrote: gotta give me something or ill draw the obvious conclusion i'm curious what the obvious conclusion is i know what the actual obvious conclusion is, so pass my turing test | ||
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On March 22 2015 16:24 ExO_ wrote: Are you a fan of disney movies like cinderella rsoultin? great song | ||
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On March 22 2015 15:40 Alakaslam wrote: That was more because there was absolutely no reason behind anything and irl was being a massive stress out at the time. I was literally Google imaging things like "malice" and "molech sacrifice" and "deformation" and "nuclear aftermath" Like everything evil I could think of. Lately I am just under a bunch of normal job pressure so I can't keep up so i am venting it holy shit lol i had no idea you were actually straight up googling all that and i hear ya on stress and all. but... i can't help but think that this is contributing to the whole "there are too many pages to catch up on" phenomenon | ||
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On March 22 2015 16:33 ExO_ wrote: Why did HF fake claim mason? How does that make sense? he's a tier-0 baller who had onegu as town, believed onegu's mason claim, knew he was likely getting n1'd and decided to bait a nightkill so the masons could be alive longer | ||
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On March 22 2015 16:41 Alakaslam wrote: Exactly my sarcasm. I am the type of person, who, having lost patience with someone who is asserting that he is impatient, therefore explodes at every grievance that person causes in them for the next hour or so to "make them not be a liar". Which is why I work on honing patience as a virtue, and why I need to sleep already instead of talking about it and staying bete well, go sleep then silly but i am gonna talk tomorrow sometime. it's kinda my job in this game to put your feet to the fire and make you do things regardless of irl stuff, so i'm gonna do that when you're around. but bro i know a ton about getting worked up and stressed in these games, if you need sleep get it and we'll talk later | ||
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On March 22 2015 16:51 ExO_ wrote: I really dislike the fake claiming, espicially as VT. Do you think anybody besides HF could pull it off? maybe? what's not to like about it...? | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:15 ExO_ wrote: Here goes though. I'm the cop. I checked rsoultin last night and she came back Vanilla Town. So she is lying about being the jail keeper. I tried to get her to admit to lying on her own, but shes staying away from it with a 10 foot pole. So either she's a fake claiming VT or Godfather. After this post she's going to say she was fake claiming as VT either way. I personally can't understand the reasoning behind doing it though. I think she's godfather. On March 09 2015 12:18 Half the Sky wrote: Cast of Characters Tanaleer Tivan the Collector ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QElLWRom.png) Tanaleer Tivan the Collector has the ability to manipulate cosmic energy to project concussive force beams, morph into alternate beings, and use stun and stasis beams to incapacitate his enemies. Tanaleer’s abilities allow him to submit the name of a player each night to reveal their role. | ||
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I checked ExO_, he's Tanaleer Tivan the Collector | ||
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Line those skins up on the wall boys. 2 scum claims in under 12 hours. God DAMN we are good. | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:22 ExO_ wrote: wow. I fucked up. I really am the cop. didnt realize it was just alignment. Im not lying though. The way I read the role description was wrong. I assumed it meant I would see their role. If you were the real cop you would know rsoultin is town but not that she is/isn't jailkeeper. You done goofed son. | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:23 ExO_ wrote: Remember this for when I flip cop. Please do not forget it. Oh I'll remember it | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:27 ExO_ wrote: Before I do, what exactly am I allowed to say from the PM I got. Im under the impression I can't say anything at all about it. itll be hard to explain without revealing a keyword from the pm Is the key word "Nova Corps"? Ask me how I know Go on, ask | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:32 ExO_ wrote: Yeah it said nova corp. So I read it and assumed rsoultin was VT from that. I've been under the impression that I was role cop, and when it said nova corp I thought it meant literally VT. Its my fault for not paying super close attention to the role description. Sorry all :/. Nova Corps right? Not Nova Force? | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:34 ExO_ wrote: It said exactly Nova Corps Psych, I lied. Nova Corps is the name for VT. Nova Force is the name of the town. You're a role cop. Bye | ||
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But it's not Nova Corps because that's the exact VT name and I'm trusting the hosts not to use the same name for good-aligned people generally and a specific role in a game where a role cop can only be mafia and an alignment cop can only be town | ||
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But you have to understand that short of a moderator straight-up issuing errata on the matter (which I have a feeling isn't happening) I pretty much have no choice but to lynch you. It's sad because I'm pretty sure I can't even devise a way for you to scan someone tomorrow and confirm yourself town. You would just start claiming Nova Corps for everything if you were mafia to keep your story straight. Guess you better start spewing town fast... | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:42 rsoultin wrote: the thing throwing me off is scum claiming cop and a green check right now that just seems odd >< like super odd and stupid all it takes is not realizing the town cop isn't a role cop there were no cop claims and it was pretty unlikely that one was gonna come out later, so the odds of being un-cc'd cop were high. then he tries to drive an ML on you in the way he did, maybe he gets a lynch out of it maybe not. regardless he claims rb'd until the end of time and he's not getting lynched if the cops did the same thing it would have worked... they just don't. easy oversight to make | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait what is going on? ExO is claiming a cop with rolecop result and Eden is claiming a cop with a guilty on ExO? ExO_ claimed role cop result and I jokingly claimed to scan him as the (mafia) role cop | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:45 Trfel wrote: No, you are going to claim first. I guarantee that the entire thread will support me in this. ray, he's right. just trust me on this | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like are you fucking retarded Trfel? yoooou might want to catch up amigo. holyflare flipped vt. onegu the mason claim is now claiming you're his partner | ||
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which makes me think ray is tracker... ...is onegu mafia? roflmao | ||
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which means he wouldn't know to fake a result that's consistent with vivax's story not that as mason he'd have an incentive to do it anyway... | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:47 Trfel wrote: So, at least one of ExO_ and raynpelikoneet is mafia. Possibly both. change "raynpelikoneet" to "Onegu" and yes | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:48 Trfel wrote: If he is mafia, he would know that Vivax was roleblocked.... oh, right ...and then it's a little weird that the mafia went for masons over a tracker claim fuck i can't think about this right now lol. too tired | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:49 Trfel wrote: Remember our claimed blue roles? At this time we have: 2 vigilantes 1 tracker 1 alignment cop 1 jailkeeper I think it's pretty clear that at least one of these claims is fake. well yes, the alignment cop one is fake and honestly if you take that out... and i guess assume onegu is lying about being a mason... 2 vigs, 1 tracker, 1 jk vs 5 mafia with an rb and a couple extra kills isn't unreasonable | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: No you are not. It in fact makes ME confirmed town because i have been pushing LS on D1 all day long you fuckface. ray, he tracked LS to HF's body, and he claimed to do so using a unique item that, if he's lying, literally anybody else could cc him on successfully trfel is confirmed town | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:50 ExO_ wrote: This is 100% what happened. I was told Nova Corp. My role is the cop. :| you know there's like 0 way i can believe this, right? like this fucking blows for you if it's true but you have to understand that from my pov i can't possibly buy this | ||
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Esteemed Hosts: What is the name of the town faction? | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:54 ExO_ wrote: Since I dont think ill be able to convince anybody of the truth, what is the best course of action here for me to do to help town, for when I do flip cop? keep grinding. ask good questions and keep trying to solve the game. you're gonna get some people who are gonna lol at you and say "you're confirmed scum i'm ignoring you" keep working anyway | ||
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sorry mods ignore my q. and i think exo is town actually. i just figured it out | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: So is it real? ExO claims an alignment cop with a rolecop result? i'm trying to figure this out, and we really pretty much have to know what the town faction name would be to figure this out 100% the reason i asked rso to confirm jk is that exo could only "slip" if rsoultin is vt. otherwise his result isn't "nova corps," it's "gamora zen-whoberi" i guess theoretically he could have been mafia anything, fakeclaimed cop and assumed "nova corps" was the default name to make his argument... but the way he leads up to it honestly really reads like someone who has a cop check and is about to spring a trap so i'm currently at the place where i think exo is actually an alignment cop and "nova corps" is unfortunately both our faction name AND the vt name. the only* alternative is that rsoultin isn't jailkeeper and is fakeclaiming as vt, but that's why i asked her to confirm (* yes rsoultin "could" be mafia but i'm not entertaining that because soul. fuckin. reads. y'all.) | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:16 Onegu wrote: I'm still claiming mason btw, just not with Rayn I though he'd go along with it but I missed the tracker result oops. god damn it donald | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:18 Onegu wrote: Maybe didn't check and thought town had a Rolecop.also if he were trying to impersonate town rolecop he wouldn't go "i scanned rsoultin. she is nova corps. i think she is gf" he would go "i scanned rsoultin. she is <mafia role plucked from the OP>" | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: NOBODY IN THIS GAME EVER JAILS ONEGU OVER HOLYFLARE ON N1. NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! eh. it's suboptimal but i can see a pretty reasonable (if imo incorrect) townie logic for it. but i will give rso a chance to explain that first. rso, so far you've said "medic dodge" as part of your rationale. can you elaborate on what this means? | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:25 rsoultin wrote: do i really have to elaborate on what this means? it's pretty damn obvious holyflare is a normal n1 kill anyway, plus him claiming mason and being perceived as confirmed town if mafia is trying to avoid a save he's the one they're not going to shoot maybe it was dumb but it made sense to me you do, because that's the exact logic i assumed you were following, and if i said it before you explained it in detail (AS I ALMOST DID LOL) then you wouldn't be able to prove you were thinking it independently of someone else saying it so yes, basically rsoultin tried to go one level up in the shell game and got burned for it. suboptimal, but the logic is pretty obvious | ||
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So here's what I'm aware of (not fully caught up yet bear in mind): rsoultin as Gamora Zen-Whoberi Vivax as Drax the Destroyer Toadesstern as Drax the Destroyer ExO_ as Peter Quill, Star Lord raynpelikoneet as Nova Prime Irani Rael Onegu as Groot rsoultin is town. :dealwithit: ExO_ I can't possibly see as mafia on further reflection. Let's look at what we have to assume for this to be true: - ExO_ seeded being the cop in several posts prior to claiming - ExO_ fakeclaimed cop with a green check on someone then argued the target was the godfather instead of just claiming a red check - ExO_ didn't bother to look at the role he was fakeclaiming to see whether it was an alignment cop or role cop - ExO_ brought the argument to rsoultin when he wasn't directly under pressure at the time, putting himself in the hot seat just to try to maybe get a jailer claim mislynched Does that sound like anything resembling a good plan to anybody? How about instead ExO_ is the real cop, didn't realize he was only an alignment cop due to getting a check that used the same name as a specific role, and claimed to force someone he thought was fakeclaiming to explain themselves? Yeah Eden that makes a lot more sense. So that's two who are basically 100% clear to me through either claim circumstances (ExO_) or godreads (rsoultin). Then we have the vigs. Vivax has been busting his ass this game harder than I've ever seen him bust his ass, as town or as mafia. Vivax's filter is nearly half the size of his entire Imperial Mafia filter in 94 hours of gameplay. He is on pace to OBLITERATE his previous posting records that I'm aware of. No way this dude is mafia. And Toad... Honestly I just don't see mafia fake-cc'ing in that spot. It's just such a bad play because if you don't get the guy lynched, he's putting a bullet in your ass with the quickness, and if you do get him lynched, you're pretty much a lock to be lynched tomorrow, which is functionally almost no different from getting a bullet in your ass with the quickness anyway. Then you look at the fact that he's also working reasonably hard to figure the game out, and that he claimed the VisceraEyes shot when VE made little sense as a mafia shot, and Toad is also town. So right now we have an investigative role and two killing roles, plus a jailer providing mild dissynergy. That seems pretty reasonable. It leaves us a mason who fakeclaimed a partner multiple times and a tracker whose n1 track doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know as the other claims. Onegu's is easy to resolve: his partner won't be lynched today, so he should claim it at the end of n2 so that if he is going to be shot, we have it on record. Claim within the last 20m of the day so mafia can't exploit the shot. ray's isn't as simple. I admit that I haven't read ray's filter enough to give a read without his claim, so I'm uncertain as to whether we should accept it or not. I'll look into that later. TL;DR: - rsoultin, ExO_, both vigs all V. Likely to be legit - Onegu will claim his partner at EON and that will resolve that - I'm really skeptical of ray's claim but I'm not informed enough to pass sound judgment at this time | ||
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On March 23 2015 05:52 Toadesstern wrote: someone like Eden or idk.. someone that Vivax isn't currently scumreading at least I mean this is literally what I already did so. Yea lol | ||
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On March 23 2015 05:58 Fecalfeast wrote: Sisyphus is the rock pushing guy, right? Google says I am right. He was punished for chronic deceitfulness. I don't understand what it means to leave something to sisyphus He means it's a waste of time because we're just turning over the same ground over and over. I'm not convinced, but that's because I can do the analysis and get to the bottom of it. If he's not finding it productive then it's probably feeling like shoving a rock up a hill only to watch it roll down again, yeah. | ||
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On March 23 2015 05:42 Toadesstern wrote: okay I guess I could fake it as mafia... but why take the 0% chance of confirming anything above the... let's say 5% chance of me being stupid? Especially if he's mighty angry about me and wants me dead REALLY BADLY. I just don't see why he'd track a townread, ever. I can get that tracking me would not have been optimal and he should have probably tracked a secondary scumread but Vivax? I think if I didn't know better, I would actually track a townread. I can see mafia getting greedy and having a tracker's strong townread deliver kp elsewhere thinking they wouldn't get tracked. I would expect mafia to be conservative with the guy who the tracker is zoned in on. My comment is more that it just doesn't make sense to track either one of y'all, because outside of that corner case and the corner case where the scum team goes full troglodyte there's no way you find out anything you couldn't already guess from the night actions. | ||
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On March 23 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote: Listen to me, Someone copy paste rayns wagon d1 please I can't do it on phone. Think d1 damdred hf and hf vote Rayn. LS doesn't jump on wagon to push it over the edge? But jumps on vig vivax without any thought? When vivax claims Rayn claims minutes later when people. Ould go back to him. Am I crazy this sounds like a Scum wagon Scum wouldn't get on. On March 21 2015 07:59 Half the Sky wrote: Vivax (7): raynpelikoneet (0): | ||
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On March 23 2015 06:00 Toadesstern wrote: Eden you missed that Sicklucker claimed Mason with Onegu Don't even care. Waiting for the word from the horse's mouth | ||
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And I still haven't done that. #RealMVP So I guess I better do that now | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: tracker On March 21 2015 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: you can kill me on D2 if i am not but you are scum anyways rsoultin. so you can't, Lol at this sequence. ray: "i'm blue" rso: "hardclaim" ray: "ok, tracker. but u r scum. i just hardclaimed to scum because lololol" | ||
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RAY: "I am blue" RAY'S SCUMREAD: "Hardclaim or I won't accept it" RAY: "K, I'm tracker" | ||
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On March 23 2015 06:18 Toadesstern wrote: can we lynch rayn before LS so that Vivax shuts up about me pretty please? no LOL | ||
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On March 23 2015 06:21 Toadesstern wrote: you go back into mafiapile for wanting the chaos that is another 48hours pants-on-head Vivax describing why I am mafia. + Show Spoiler + not really.. The Rock needs this WWF style primadonna feuding to make this game the spectacle He wishes to see | ||
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But there's a difference between "He's not talking to X like he scumreads X" and "His scumread literally just demanded a roleclaim and he complied." No blue who suspects X is E V E R going to comply with X directly demanding a claim. In fact I don't think a blue is going to claim like he did, period. It's kinda like Damdred said, it's almost like ray claimed at the precise best moment to cut off the switch back to him before it could gain momentum. And a blue who decides to claim blue to defend himself is likely going to wait until the people he TR's start demanding his role before he outs. He's not gonna comply at the drop of a hat with his scumread's request! | ||
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On March 23 2015 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote: I think I'd like rayn to come back and explain himself. Unless he has and I haven't seen it If he has I haven't seen it either | ||
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On March 23 2015 07:40 Damdred wrote: Why can't people give opinions or conclussions before he comes back instead of waiting which btw two cop type roles in a game? ? I'm pretty much treating ray's immediate compliance with rsoultin's demand for a hardclaim as ray claiming scum until he explains since there's literally no reason a town tracker responds to one of his main suspect's demands for a hardclaim with immediate compliance | ||
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i'll give vivax his due respect by not clogging the thread with investigating leads i don't think will find scum | ||
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On March 23 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote: Go dive super rs ^^gets it. You can join The Rock's stable. | ||
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On March 23 2015 08:30 Damdred wrote: Could always shennany on Rayn and hope he's the rb so viv can shoot LS XD trololol you say that but that sounds hilarious and awesome i won't do it tho poor ls needs to be out of the thread as quickly as possible | ||
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On March 23 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote: meh i know everyone has different opinions as to how people should play the game and i really did clutter this thread up quite a bit needlessly lol i don't post that much just to get townread (in all honesty i might have overcompensated to avoid looking timid...i'm not used to playing blue ><) eh i just get chided for leading town poorly, then not leading town, then this then that and i don't know what to do anymore lol but that's for post-game i guess my advice is to just go. keep doing whatever is coming to mind as a good idea. you see something, say something about it. i would have never checked back on ray's claim and found the gem i found if damdred hadn't suggested something about ray and ls that i didn't understand from context and don't worry about leadership either. as much as we like to hype up individual plays made by individual players when we talk about mafia, mafia is fundamentally a team game. you don't have to lead or carry any games to be good at this game. you just have to be observant, mindful, and confident in yourself and your instincts. if you find something good then the leadership will come in time | ||
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On March 23 2015 08:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eden stop being so team minded, you might actually earn a NK that isn't a medic dodge for once. bitch please i was n1'd in my first newbie game while the doc was knowingly rb'd | ||
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On March 23 2015 08:56 Toadesstern wrote: I'd take that as anyone can deliver KP. It's usually you don't have to pick anyone to deliver at all and it's thus not trackable or everyone can deliver even if they have roles. i think what damdred is saying isn't that goon has to deliver kp, but that you can't both rb someone and deliver kp with the same person + Show Spoiler + lol how clinical is "deliver kp" | ||
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On March 23 2015 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Good point. I have a theory that's better not to explain until post night though. explain at EON then if you don't mind and yeah outside of FF hardcore and I mean HARDCORE busing LS d1, i can't see anybody in that list being mafia rn | ||
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On March 23 2015 09:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh no wait there's 17 players, I just forgot since on my spreadsheet I'm already the confirmed town green. one of those is LS so really it's 9/16 with 4 mafia | ||
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nope.avi me rsoultin vivax toad artie damdy trfel exo_ ff okay.jpg breshke sicklucker slam ray superb palmar onegu my first thought for a plan of action: - make onegu hardclaim his mason partner immediately and have partner confirm - have a vig shoot onegu anyway to confirm - lynch the rest and win and i mean honestly? i have the next 3 lynches just about made up in my mind. LS is confirmed mafia, ray and superbia both have pretty solid evidence against them imo. so i feel like i could pretty much just kill down the line here unless ray and/or superbia really ball out the next couple of days and prove themselves, at which point i think there'd be due cause to reconsider i don't want to get complacent but this really feels like we're close to solving it | ||
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On March 23 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote: Who are the unconfirmed left in that lynch i need a fucking rosetta stone for your phone posting. roflmao if you're asking what i think you're asking, have this: On March 21 2015 07:59 Half the Sky wrote: Bill Murray (4): Superbia, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (2): LightningStrike, sicklucker, LightningStrike (3): Toadesstern (1): sicklucker (1): Eden1892 (0): Damdred (0): Alakaslam (0): Trfel (0): Holyflare (0): Not Voting (0): Currently, Bill Murray is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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On March 23 2015 09:34 Eden1892 wrote: i forgot onegu's final vote was on LS update: no wonder i forgot, he never mentions his vote for LS and doesn't actually make an effort to give a read on LS either no towncred 4u | ||
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On March 21 2015 19:20 Onegu wrote: Sorry I wasn't around for deadline would have voted Bill Murray. Will rng who I sheep at day post and let you all know. Will try to play Sunday and read some filters. For now.just letting my mason partner keep me kinda up to date. ???towncred account balance restored??? | ||
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On March 23 2015 09:37 Toadesstern wrote: I'm actually pretty damn confident in my analysis that Onegu and Rayn can't be mafia together i'm cool with it man how fucking awesome would it be if sicklucker is actually onegu's masonbro? | ||
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On March 23 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: that bill murray wagon is so lame """"my b" - chillen" - eden" - eden" - eden | ||
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On March 23 2015 09:48 ExO_ wrote: Okay I'm home. The discussion today looks like it's gone much better than expected. I fully expected to be the leading lynch candidate. I'm going to play civ/read the thread. I'm over 20 pages behind. Though tbh it looks like I'm not even needed that much. Game has nearly been solved. I'm really sorry for really messing up my role. Looks like it turned out okay. Good job carrying me being horrible. You didn't botch it lol. Collective misunderstanding. You got confirmed town out of it and your check further confirms rsoultin so yeah. Worked out! | ||
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On March 23 2015 09:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm actually of the belief that Mafia has pretty much given up on the game and that everyone currently posting is town. i don't believe in unicorns but i think i saw a horn lying around here somewhere... like if there's gonna be a game where mafia rolls over and dies, this is prolly it. thread atmosphere has been fucking terrific imo. lots of people trying to figure shit out, making good observations and reads this just doesn't feel like a thread where the mafia have a lot of presence. in those threads things usually just don't get done like they are here. it's never even one person's fault usually, but it's like there's this foul miasma hovering over everyone's heads clouding sound judgment. the air is so clear here | ||
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The first one resolves the oddball scenario where mafia also shot VE. I don't think that happened deliberately; any WIFOM that could be created out of making it seem like Toad is mafia and carrying the kp to VE is really unconvincing given that Toad was the vig cc. It's possible mafia accidentally shot VE, but I consider that a poor shot. The second one resolves the missing kill, and also Onegu's alignment, which is nice. Basically, put another way, once we sort out whether Onegu is a mason or not, we sort out the n1 actions. | ||
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On March 23 2015 10:46 Trfel wrote: There are several of possibilities. 1. Onegu was shot 2. Onegu was carrying the KP himself (and was roleblocked) 4. Toadesstern is mafia 5. Mafia double-stacked to incriminate Toadesstern 6. Mafia shot VisceraEyes without knowing Toadesstern was also doing so fify with the theories i think are too unlikely to be worth considering crossed out | ||
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On March 23 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote: Actually rstoul is 100% a vet for that horrid claim. Well played jesus christ sicklucker shut the fuck up if you actually think this is true ._. | ||
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On March 23 2015 11:00 Trfel wrote: Sicklucker, I apologize. I'm sorry. I have reasons for my actions, but it's not worth going into them. If you would like, we can discuss the right/wrong thing to do after the game. Eden, you are currently scumreading raynpelikoneet, right? If he isn't tracker, that leaves us with 2 vigilantes, 1 jailkeeper, and 1 cop (assuming no masons). You don't think it's possible for there to be a veteran in addition to this? i wouldn't bet on it. those are all hella useful roles. if there's a vet i'm sure we'll find out about it by d4 after lynching ls and ray | ||
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On March 23 2015 11:00 Toadesstern wrote: we could lynch him first to figure that out... but that would be pretty lomo don't tempt me | ||
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On March 23 2015 11:09 Trfel wrote: I don't see why mafia would shoot Onegu or VisceraEyes here. It doesn't make sense. And if you assume that Toadesstern is town, and that mafia didn't shoot Onegu or VisceraEyes, Onegu is basically confirmed mafia. Raynpelikoneet's claim aside, any mafia reading the thread would realize that ExO_ was extremely likely to be a blue. He was leaving hints to being blue all over the place, and furthermore, I commented on it twice. It was kind of impossible to miss. I don't think shooting mason Onegu (when partner Holyflare is getting shot already) or shooting VisceraEyes (who was often scumread and made one sentence saying he may or may not be blue) can be at all considered better than shooting ExO_ in this case. Do others agree with this analysis? I missed the blue hints from ExO_ but I'll take your word for it. I tend to agree that hitting blue!ExO_ is probably worth more than named-VT Onegu or lynchable VE. So yeah, guess that's 3 down. LightningStrike, Onegu, raynpelikoneet, ?, ? I feel like Superbia is definitely one of the other two. Last one... idk, Slam? I'm wrong on Breshke or sicklucker? | ||
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On March 23 2015 11:18 Eden1892 wrote: I missed the blue hints from ExO_ but I'll take your word for it. I tend to agree that hitting blue!ExO_ is probably worth more than named-VT Onegu or lynchable VE. So yeah, guess that's 3 down. LightningStrike, Onegu, raynpelikoneet, ?, ? I feel like Superbia is definitely one of the other two. Last one... idk, Slam? I'm wrong on Breshke or sicklucker? Derp. Last one is Palmar. Slam town. We can pack it in boys | ||
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On March 23 2015 11:26 Toadesstern wrote: Put Palmar 4th. I want to have some to yell "told ya bitches" if I make it that far into the game lol | ||
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On March 23 2015 11:39 Damdred wrote: Actually its possible rayn is the scum obviously oneg is mason with someone and hf in retrospect left a last will in mason qt to be posted if he died or something crazy mafia wifom. And besides that you can't leave 100% confirmed townies alive it gives the thread to much to work with. If oneg doesn't claim tommorow we either lynch him or orb him. ??? | ||
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On March 23 2015 11:51 Trfel wrote: Why do you expect Onegu to telling the truth after lying twice? Regardless of alignment. presumably his partner will vindicate him | ||
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On March 23 2015 12:00 Damdred wrote: Just speculation, if I'm dying and a mason id tell partner everything I wanted to say on my death. Im not hf and he's better than me but I'm always more hesitant when I'm alive than dead shrug hf flipped vt...??? i don't follow what you're getting at here | ||
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On March 23 2015 12:53 Onegu wrote: You dumb dumbs lynch me before Rayn. When I flip mason you lynch toad when he flips scum you lynch rsoul. On March 23 2015 12:53 Onegu wrote: And nope not claiming partner On March 23 2015 12:58 Onegu wrote: Soul read. Also I have been scum and mason with Rayn. I never do anything without getting an ok first. So if you think I would and we are scum together you are wrong. i read all of this together as "policy lynch me d3" | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:06 Onegu wrote: Exactly!!! So why would town rsoul protect me. So when I flip town it looks really bad on toad because of missing kp and rsoul because of same thing but you won't, so. | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:30 Onegu wrote: I don't believe a VT check on you. Hosts will never confirm btw as it confirms Edo if town or scum/dumb if wrong. so your working theory at this point is that one scum who's been pretty townie this game fakeclaimed vig and in order to cover his tracks his partner who's also been pretty townie this game fakeclaimed jailkeeper and in order to cover her tracks a third scum fakeclaimed cop with a greencheck on the second meanwhile the guy who hardclaimed tracker to his scumread when not under any pressure in the thread to claim is legit | ||
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is that a general argument being implied? (i.e. "ray normally doesn't make sense with his claims") because otherwise i don't understand what i'm being asked and if that is the question i hardly see the pertinence since it's not the main point at all. that theory is whack and frankly looks designed more to spread doubt about the claims than it is designed to find the truth putting the last bit another way: how on earth do you intend to go about demonstrate this theory | ||
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On March 23 2015 14:32 Toadesstern wrote: apparently him flipping town proves that rsoultin and I are mafia because we can no longer hold to our theory that mafia shot mafia!Onegu. Thus Onegu being town shows that KP is missing Once he flipped town we lynch into either me or rsoulting according to him so you're vigging him tonight right | ||
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On March 23 2015 15:23 Onegu wrote: We have decided to claim 20min to deadline N2 cool | ||
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On March 23 2015 15:30 rsoultin wrote: weeeellll >> i interview spectacularly xP so just channel your inner rsoul! more seriously, i think just being open and honest works best? lol you don't want to sound like you're reading a speech in front of the class or reciting bedtime prayers xP i tend to think i interview ok, but i'm aware that this interview is gonna be far more legit than any interview i've had to handle for a while. open and honest is the principle | ||
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i'm not really worried much about it. i'm hungry and i know it. it's gonna shine through. some of the stuff i'm sweatin is hr nonsense that i don't have to worry about cuz i'm sufficiently empathetic as to understand what sounds bad and what doesn't | ||
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On March 23 2015 15:38 Toadesstern wrote: just don't be like Caller. He walked up to interview at amazon and was like "yup I can totally program, havn't done it in 3 years but shouldn't be a problem" so they gave him a task to do something in one of the two programming languages he can do and he obviously had no idea what to do so don't apply for something i'm not qualified to do? got it boss | ||
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On March 23 2015 15:44 Toadesstern wrote: no I don't think it had anything to do with that. He just mentioned it in his CV and was apparently a little braggart joke's on them i didn't put any concrete skills in my resume | ||
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On March 23 2015 15:50 Toadesstern wrote: speaking of which. I TOTALLY HAVE MORE BULLETS  go on | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis why am i not in your town list? Your tracker claim seems bogus A real tracker don't care what scum reads think as long as he knows it | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't claim "to one of my biggest scumreads". wtf? Lol you claimed to rsoultin on the spot after calling her scum repeatedly and then called her scum right after claiming. Plz. | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I claimed because i was pissed off for people making fucked up reads that make no sense on me like in Titanic. Sue me. No I get that for why you claimed blue. But your scumread literally said "hard claim or I won't accept it." Why care about a suspect making nonsense reads on you, let alone enough to claim your exact role to your alleged mafia? | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: BECAUSE PRETTY MUCH THE LAST GAME SCUM LEAD A LYNCH ON ME FOR RETARDED SHIT WHEN I CAUGHT ALL THE MAFIA! But this isn't that game. Not the same town or circumstances... Sorry I'm just not following. It remains weird to me. I have a lot of time to figure it out. You may have answered this already, so work with me if I missed it - what's your working theory for why Toad would fakeclaim? | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pro tip vivax: Mafia is: Lightningstrike - cop checked Toadesstern - terrible read with no substance Superbia - terrible read with no substance ExO - claims cop with rolecop result one of Artanis / rsoultin. - one of them is just dumb. Your ExO_ read is outdated and I really doubt either of the last 2 are mafia :/ | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:03 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, it's effectively cleared right here. This is a quote from the rules, the Infinity Orb section, where the town is referred to as the Nova Corps (the same name as the vanilla town). !!!!! | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:39 Superbia wrote: Nobody here played the prerelease? Where my MTG buddies at.Got the Dromoka box at midnight Saturday ... ... ... Went on to build a Kolaghan deck and go 2-1 | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Superbia is there any reason you're not posting baby seals yet? mtg posting is glorified baby seals when i'm running the show | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:55 rsoultin wrote: the host won't, rayn that said, eden...much as i think that was one of the most awkward thing for scum to do ever and terrible timing given LightningStrike's concession... i can't think of a reason to townread ExO_ outside the awkwardness we're basically going with the too dumb to be scum defense X100 Not quite. (1) LS's concession has nothing to do with how good/bad his play would have been as mafia. (2) The play would be even dumber for mafia to make than town. ExO_ misreading his role and getting too drunk on the hero play conspiracy Kool-Aid to realize his play was wrong is plausible. ExO_ fakeclaiming to try to get you lynched and claiming greencheck (with the idea that you're godfather) instead of redcheck is just not plausible from a mafia mindset. If you're thinking "fakeclaim cop to lynch X" then your mind doesn't jump to "claim greencheck and push godfather theory," it jumps to "claim redcheck." Has nothing to do with "too dumb to be scum" here | ||
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2x Dromoka's Command 1x Dragonlord Atarka 1x Descent of Dragons 1x Ojutai, Soul of Winter 1x Necromaster Dragon 2x Roast All I really remember lol. Still pretty hype | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:50 sicklucker wrote: and were not lynchiing rayn were killing super TORMOROW . Rayn is super passionate and makes horrible town claims everygame and he did push 3 people I believe to be mafiamafia (ls, super, toad) And supers here making excuses for his inactivity (WHICH IS WHAT HE DID THE ENTIRE GAME HE SOLOED AS MAFIA ) while not scum reading any mafia this is correct | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:52 sicklucker wrote: Like artanis if you give up its gonna be on day1 when you have no time invested. Now that you have time invested and were not pushed on day 1 your never giving up do you agree? this otoh is bad | ||
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On March 24 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: EBWOP: I mean you guys god my grammar is so bad T_T i have a hilarious theory that this is a slip and superbia is mafia for this post ls first addresses this specifically to superbia, then feels the need to go back and correct it to a plural, including superbia as part of a group being addressed; the post is playfully adversarial indicating that group is town the fact that ls needed to go back and correct this means that superbia is mafia gottem boys sheep this d3 | ||
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On March 24 2015 06:09 Superbia wrote: It's interesting that we each reached a completely different conclusion from the same post. no it isn't | ||
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On March 24 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eden is there anyone you're >95% certain on being town that isn't in my list? presuming exo is still on there, i don't think so and i'm actually not willing to move ff down at this time. he tends to go afk sporadically so i don't think it means anything either way. his body of work still seems implausibly difficult for him to have put together as mafia to me | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote: Jesus I just played the hardest game of my life. I'll try to pretend to be useful in this one tomorrow. no excuses, i went hard as fuck in both of them and you can too prove your towniness so we can roll again | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote: Always tomorrow and never today with Palmar .+1 Imma be hones i'm prolly plynching palmar at some point if tomorrow he doesn't make an epic town case titled "Part 4: The Redemption" | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote: tinfoil hat of the day. LS flips RB, Trfel used the orb on Vivax and blocked him and is actualy scum. orb doesn't rb i thought | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:00 ritoky wrote: hi everyone. i don't plan to read the previous 281 pages. if there is very relevant cases i need to read or people are confirmed town, can someone please quote or give me that information. also i don't know shit about guardians of the galaxy, but i am guessing i am vt? gonna check the op when i get home from the store. what is your role | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:04 Palmar wrote: We got him guys! I'm really townie now for voting mafia, right? l o l | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:34 Vivax wrote: ritoky is town for instaclaiming vanilla imo If it can be avoided let's please not discuss the ramifications of ritoky's claim until he claims for me. I'd like to minimize the influence of any lurking variables on his answer | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:38 ritoky wrote: are you trying to swag on me? your reaction to me subbing in puzzles me. it's some meta shit about rayn which idgaf abt. why would you base a read on that when you have such a good read on me? that seems really fucking odd. also do we have no 100% confirmed town? i would like to sheep them until i have firm bearings. Hey jabroni, claim your role to The Rock immediately. | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote: God no eden would you rather, rsoultin claim who hes jailing a few seconds before day break and a kp be missing and we know who a scum is, or rs dies to try to block a save on you shh only mindgames now | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote: i already claimed? it was colored green, i didn't get a list of actions or results, and no description. i am assuming that on those grounds it is VT, regardless of the random name it was given. What's the random name it was given? | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: With the speed he claimed that it might actually be true, though he probably already looked it up at the time he claimed vt. He had time to look it up, the fact that he stalled and called it a "random" green name makes me think he did. Orb him | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:43 ritoky wrote: so artanis from that list it looks like exo and toad are confirmed town pretty much? the rest seem like reinforced reads. Hella interesting that you picked out one vig but not the other. Elaborate | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote: could you please separate this a bit for me? could you tell me which ones are from claims/checks and which ones are from vote logic/reads. cuz i think you're town as of now, but i don't really know shit about this game yet or give credence to your reads This is what you need to know bro. No one is actually confirmed town. But: - Trfel claimed with the orb d2, after having used it to track LightningStrike to Holyflare's body. No one cc'd orb, Holyflare was indeed killed n1, LS flipped goon when he was lynched d2. Trfel is almost certainly town in any conceivable universe. - I am The Rock this game. You can trust The Rock. - rsoultin is town because (a) I said so and I'm never wrong on her, (b) she claimed jailer and (c) ExO_ scanned her town. - ExO_ is town because he claimed cop in a way that basically has to make him town. He thought he was a role cop and outed with a "role" scan on rsoultin of "Nova Corps," when in fact he got an alignment scan on rsoultin of "Nova Corps." He outed because he believed rsoultin was lying about her claim and put forth the theory that she was the godfather. He was under no real pressure in the thread to claim. So he's probably town. - Vivax and Toadesstern both claimed vig. Vivax was the original claimant and has been very townie, with something close to 30 pg filter after 2 days, most of it full of game-solving. Toadesstern cc'd Vivax when he didn't have to, tried hard (but unsuccessfully) to get Vivax lynched, and has also been trying to solve things when he's been around (albeit he's been a little underwhelming in this respect compared to his partner). Both of them are very likely town. - Damdred has been working hard and making big, good analysis posts so he's town. - Fecalfeast's only really large effort this game was busing the hell out of LS if FF is mafia, so FF is likely town. - Artanis is just pretty townie man I'm tired at the end of this list and not feeling like explaining more lol | ||
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On March 24 2015 09:12 sicklucker wrote: Most are just there reads tbh. Its kind of absurd to say tref/toad/vivax/dandred/exo/eden area all confirmed with sketchy claims or no claims at all. I would bet my left nut 1 or 2 of them are acualy mafia you have to be a mason with onegu and can't actually believe this | ||
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but i want sicklucker's nut? i have a display case somewhere...that or i can just have it stuffed and give it to the cat to play with ^^ -poofing again bad rsoul-[/QUOTE[QUOTE]On March 24 2015 09:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [QUOTE]On March 24 2015 09:12 sicklucker wrote: [QUOTE]On March 24 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote: [QUOTE]On March 24 2015 08:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [QUOTE]On March 24 2015 08:43 ritoky wrote: so artanis from that list it looks like exo and toad are confirmed town pretty much? the rest seem like reinforced reads.[/QUOTE] There's no one that's "confirmed" as in greenchecked or anything like that. Here's where I'm at. 100% Confirmed Town Me. 99.99% Confirmed Town Vivax Toadesstern Trfel Eden1892 Rsoultin 99% Confirmed Town Exo Damdred 95% Confirmed Town FecalFeast[/QUOTE] could you please separate this a bit for me? could you tell me which ones are from claims/checks and which ones are from vote logic/reads. cuz i think you're town as of now, but i don't really know shit about this game yet or give credence to your reads[/QUOTE] Most are just there reads tbh. Its kind of absurd to say tref/toad/vivax/dandred/exo/eden area all confirmed with sketchy claims or no claims at all. I would bet my left nut 1 or 2 of them are acualy mafia[/QUOTE] Call.[/QUOTE] congrats to both of you for claiming dibs to a middle schooler's left nut | ||
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On March 24 2015 09:16 rsoultin wrote: but i want sicklucker's nut? i have a display case somewhere...that or i can just have it stuffed and give it to the cat to play with ^^ -poofing again bad rsoul- congrats to both of you for claiming dibs to a middle schooler's left nut | ||
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On March 24 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote: oh btw...the measure i was using to read rayn by in XXX when i caught him day 1 is the same one i was using here... i just couldn't say that till the game was over lol >< that or you know my read is wrong and he just happened to be scum that game...regardless... -slips back into the fade- well since it might have worked, elaborate for me. i didn't think ray was suspicious at all d1 like you or marv did so it might help here | ||
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On March 24 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote: No clue onegu.... Anyway Eden, part of it was how BM rayn was when he was here compared to his most recent mafia showing. And his most recent town showing (mini mafia by fecal feast) he was much more balanced in that game than in XXX or in this game. He also started fights for no reason with Palmar here and myself in XXX. And his read progression in this one and XXX was hard to follow at points as well. I can see it I also felt like ritoky's opening was really suspicious tbh. He's hella uptight this game. When he's town he's a total bro this game not so much thus far. And I really think the way he said "randomly named green role" betrays him not actually having the name of the VT role in his role PM. I dunno how convincingly I can argue this but it's just a weird way to say he's VT On March 24 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote: i already claimed? it was colored green, i didn't get a list of actions or results, and no description. i am assuming that on those grounds it is VT, regardless of the random name it was given. I can't 100% confirm this or anything obviously but this just screams "I'm fakeclaiming but I haven't read the OP yet so I don't know the name of the VT role." Like if you were actually a green role and people were telling you to claim and you didn't know whether it was VT or not, you'd just say the name and go from there. Yeah? | ||
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Here's LightningStrike's mondo reads list from d1. I've taken the liberty of including line breaks because seriously LS bro get your shit together Also went ahead and colored in the flips. Feel free to color code your version as you wish. Go through this with me and figure out some weird shit that points to mafia. On March 19 2015 23:35 LightningStrike wrote: Town: Exo: He seemed to be his normal self some questions but I waiting for him to case someone at some point in the game after playing with him in Newbie LX. rsoultin: She seems to happy to roll Mafia this game I would think she would be Mad at rolling Mafia again esp with me in the game but she seems to be having fun with her posts so far (She rolled Mafia in Horns of Africa and Titanic) Also she died way to early in JOAT because of mean HTS wanting to get rid of her so she wouldn't figure HTS out in JOAT She also my whisper so listen to her on me.Holyflare: Some decent questions and plays similar to how he did in Horns when I played with him plus answering a meta point to me about Mafia!Rayn is more useless than Town!Rayn but idk what Rayn post would indicate that he's useless tbh :| Vivax: Vivax is Vivax and that means he just crazy but I think he's trying hard this game and more likely Town than Mafia upon the fact he's trying so hard but he's crazy so meh. Trfel: I finding his entrance odd but who the hell claims Mafia Day 1 except for Damdred in Imperial lol..... He got some decent questions and also can't wait for him to case someone even if he case the hosts (For those who didn't check Mini Mafia Down Under 2 he cased the host and it was funny as hell 10/10 would want him to case a host again). Bill Murray: Asking some decent questions and my first time playing with him and seems to engage with his Mafiaread of Eden and noticing some stuff I don't think others did at the time. Eden1892: Had some trolling stuff early on which I kinda expect from him as Town compared to Mafia with some decent questioning regarding me to rsoultin. Also his filter is much bigger than his filter as Mafia from experience playing with him. Superbia: Much more serious already and already down to business which I think makes him more Town than Mafia knowing in Campus was kinda trolling in Day 1 and was useless in Imperial. Breshke: Short filter but some of his questions ande thoughts to be something I would think he would do as Town more so than Mafia esp his little thing on sicklucker. Null: Damdred: Seems to be a his townie self but I remember he looked so townie yet he was Mafia in Titanic so I need another Day of him being alive to make a good read. Artanis: As I said earlier he looked so Townie in Imperial yet he was Mafia but he also had a bad game as Mafia in Student VI so idk I need some more time to figure him out prob by Day 2 since I know he's a player by reputation being one of the best players in TL Mafia. raynpelikoneet: Seems much angrier than normal idk if it's truely alignment indicative about him but HF says he's useless as Mafia compared to Town but his filter seems Palmar centric with some side tracks O_o Palmar: Trolling a good amount I don't think it's alignment indicative for him since he loves to troll as both alignment from my experience with him cept for Metal Mini when he was super serious. Alakaslam: Slam is Slam and I can't really read him and I know he's the true king of WIFOM as either alignemnt so meh. Onegu: Very short filter and not really doing much but I remember him being kinda meh as town compared to Mafia but I need some more posts from him. sicklucker: I can't read him anymore after Linux when he was Mafia and he always bounces off the walls as either alignment and did make some incorrect statements about self meta but he done that as either alignment. I think he becomes obvious Mafia at Day 2/3 area from my experience with him and seeing him playing as Mafia so I waiting for Day 2 to make my read on him. Fecalfeast: He not raging about his role with time and idk if it's alignment indicative for him from my experience with him being town :| Sorry for the long wait for my post I was updating it while checking the thread so I wouldn't be so lost and added in info while making the post! | ||
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On March 24 2015 13:32 Toadesstern wrote: sup I'm back o/ What did I miss except for obvious mafia flipping mafia? Congrats on your sleep schedule ray ragequit after dropping a tight game in XXX Mini (despite a brilliant performance, seriously), ritoky replaced in and is pretty much mafia IMO. Go read my stuff on ritoky and decide for yourself though, I'm at my best when people are showing me where I'm wrong. | ||
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On March 24 2015 13:35 ritoky wrote: is it weird that I don't like either damdred or eden as town and everyone is telling me they are confirmed? your team is about 120 hours too late on the disruption strategy a for effort tho | ||
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On March 24 2015 14:11 ritoky wrote: are you just trying to throw scum on me? already did. breshke is more town than you are imo, by quite a bit. my town is me + artanis + breshke + all the role people. is that auto? that's not engaging breshke that's giving him a free townread for saying something pretty obvious sicklucker claiming the orb means precisely sweet fuck all rn so congrats on patting breshke on the back for concluding that the event you're asking about is inconclusive? | ||
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this isn't directed solely at you either, ritoky. i basically had to 100% read fecalfeast in xxx mini off of my last feelings on damdred for most of the time ff was in the game this is the 3rd time i've seen it happen in high-volume games and it's just a clusterfuck | ||
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On March 24 2015 14:14 ritoky wrote: like no offense, but you're being a giant dick in general. you're shitting on every question I am trying to raise. it really demotivates me from trying when I sub in late being a decent guy, get VT, try to start getting reads, and 1 guy is just sitting there shitting on you at every turn. if you're town you need to get yourself to a place where you understand I am VT. if not, keep doing what you're doing cuz it is making me want to try less and less. pretty much your reaction to the exact same situation in the last game vs this game makes it obvious to me you are a role or mafia. I don't know which, but there's not many roles left to be claimed? not trying to be, i'm pissed off that ray apparently fakeclaimed tracker and then peaced out without explaining himself and now i'm left with no way to be fair to you you cannot possibly reasonably ask me to just understand you're VT when your predecessor was scum as fuck for 285 fucking pages | ||
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On March 24 2015 14:15 Toadesstern wrote: wait, you're VT? I thought rayn was tracker .____________________________________________________. | ||
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your slot: - claimed blue under no pressure from the thread - hardclaimed tracker to its top scumread at the time - got unreasonably pissed at people who suspected it, ever - didn't try especially hard, relative to the other players in the game, to solve the game and apparently now we learn the claim was definitely fake too. and you claimed vt in a really scummy way. and even though you're cool tr'ing basically everyone else in the town circle, you're somehow deciding it's a good idea to throw garbage at the guy who's done by far the most this game to actually organize that circle like how the fuck am i supposed to think you're town from this? help me help you | ||
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On March 24 2015 14:18 Toadesstern wrote: did I just ruin some big play or is that about me not reading? :/ about not reading, lol | ||
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On March 24 2015 14:20 rsoultin wrote: hey ritoky remember carol? lol what should those of us who weren't in it and don't feel like reading another 6k posts know about carol | ||
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On March 24 2015 14:37 Breshke wrote: LS seems to ask palmar a lot of questions throughout the day yet never actually comes to a conclusion on him. That is until N1 happens and he seems to be building up to scum read him because of the BM switch This feels really iffy if they are both mafia because LS wasn't really pushing much else if i recall. I don't remember is LS is prone to bussing either but i do know if palmar is mafia I think he would very likely tell his mafia partners to townread each other and I think LS would listen to him. man, if Palmar is mafia, the QT probably looks like the streets of Carthage right now This is a hella good set of observations. I'd definitely believe that Palmar would tell his team to TR each other; iirc he's big on that in general (he made a big point of it in Titanic scum QT), and he just got finished watching a game where scum bused the fuck out of each other til the end and came up short for it. And I'd also believe LS would do what Palmar says. LS wouldn't be married to any reads by that point and strikes me as a team player. I'm just worried about what that means for my list. Unless you're mafia spewing tmi right now, I got a big problem to resolve later. | ||
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On March 24 2015 14:33 ritoky wrote: - rayn claims as VT to push someone he has a 95+% scum read on sometimes. I think it is stupid and as mafia I got him ML'd for it once, but he does it because he is into big plays like that for whatever reason. was he the one who did it in XXX with the fake cc on his teammate day 1? I guess he is capable as both alignments if that was him. - rayn is an asshole - he was tryharding like mad as mafia in the other game, I would guess that has something to do with his effort level here? those are the best answers to those points I can give you at this point. - He is inclined to do that, and he's capable of it as both alignments (your recollection is correct), but it's not that he fakeclaimed to push someone. That's not what happened. He claimed for no purpose when Toad cc'd Vivax as vig, hardclaimed tracker when his scumread rsoultin demanded it, and then didn't push anybody really hard from that point onward. - lol. I'm not sure he's an asshole but if you're saying it's not alignment-indicative... maybe - He really wasn't though. Or at least not after I flipped. He kinda coasted the last day and imo that's probably what hurt him most. So he coasted at the end of that game and he's not doing anything in here... And I mean, yeah. I hear ya. I don't expect you to account for all the scummy things ray did in the 285 pages before you popped in. I'm giving you a cycle to show me I was wrong about your slot. That should be enough time even with me being a hardass about questions I don't think are going anywhere. You cool with that? | ||
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On March 24 2015 15:12 sicklucker wrote: Like I honestly believe you guys just refuse to townread me out of spite.. Im not sure if its because I rolled mafia 5 or 6 times inarow or I annoy the shit out of you but you guys really refuse to ever townread me. Its been 3month since I been townread in a game you are beyond ridiculous considering i'm literally tr'ing you for 48 hours straight now | ||
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On March 24 2015 15:17 ritoky wrote: @eden if you're town, you should lynch the person you think is most mafia. if that is my slot, then you're wrong, but people can be wrong. i am a sub and that sucks because of how the person before me played, but don't give me slack for it. just try to judge my play, make a read, and if i am still the most scum then try to lynch me. That's the plan bro. You're #2 on my list right now so you got time to adjust your position. | ||
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On March 24 2015 15:14 sicklucker wrote: Yep im smurfing next game I would be stunned if you found a way not to get found out by eod1. | ||
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On March 24 2015 15:39 sicklucker wrote: Rstoulin if your a j/k you only have 1 night action to submit let me explain why. + Show Spoiler + They will only roleblock me or you. If they roleblock you who cares what you submit. BUT If they roleblock me that means they cant rb exo so they have to kill him. SO YOU SAVE HIM. Do you understand? If they rb me they have to kill exo or he can get a check. SO HES THE ONLY SAVE YOU SUBMIT this is a great plan no one should deviate from it | ||
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On March 24 2015 17:03 Breshke wrote: Also this has probably been mentioned but if onegus mason partner isnt eden, trefel or maybe artanis im all for lynching him tomorrow if i'm onegu's mason partner i'm gonna flip a huge shit | ||
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On March 24 2015 16:07 Breshke wrote: Okay so this is what has been bugging me about superbia being scum. So the town consensus is currently that both vigis are town and just for reference most of these posts happened around EoD1 + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2015 07:12 Superbia wrote: If mafia is not putting rb or kp (kp is riskier due to probable medic in setup) on a tracker (assuming that he is), it is a huge risk for mafia, as he can essentially solve a big part of the game by himself. If mafia plays it safe they allow the vigi situation to resolve during the night. I say let's put the ball in mafia's court. I have plenty of others I want to lynch outside of the two vigi wagons. On March 21 2015 07:21 Superbia wrote: HF. Give me a small push more and I'll vote on BM. Are you familiar with his meta? Also what do you think of having a wagon on SL or LS? On March 21 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote: Are you going to strongarm this BM lynch? I've asked multiple times regarding an SL or an LS wagon. Whatever. It's your fault if BM flips town though. On March 21 2015 07:35 Superbia wrote: Just ask yourself this one question: Where the fuck are SL and LS at? Also Slam? So for superbia to be mafia he would have to be saying he doesn't want to vote for EITHER of the town vigi's. Instead he would be repetedly suggesting his mafia partners LS or possible partners SL (and for that last quote) slam to be lynched. I don't see what the point of this play as mafia is. Superbia would have to think that there is zero chance people would listen or take him up on anything he said. which i do not think he believes. So assuming both the vigis are actually town i'm going to make some of those rpe flip associations everyone loves. SL superbia and LS can not all be mafia together as superbia would be pushing no agenda Eod. This means there is AT MOST one between SL and superbia. I also find that last quote really strange if superbia slam and LS are all mafia together because it feels super risky for no reason because there's two "town vigis" that people were happy to lynch between but instead superbia pushes on 2 people with a mini push on another and we are meant to think that 2/3 of these people are his mafia partners. It just seems like such an odd risky play. Not sure if this makes sense btw so if anything needs clarifying ask away I think we might have overstated how willing the mafia would be to lynch a vig claim over a non-vig claim. I'll explain why in a minute but first: Toad, earlier you said this: On March 23 2015 15:50 Toadesstern wrote: speaking of which. I TOTALLY HAVE MORE BULLETS Explain. | ||
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So yeah anyway I don't think the mafia would be especially scared of a vig enough to go out of their way to lynch one over a non-vig townie. They can just rb a vig who's threatening to shoot mafia or let the singleton shot go through. So I think the mafia's agenda for eod1 would absolutely have been "do whatever makes you look cleanest." And I think there's plenty of room for mafia!Superbia to appear to want to lynch mafia!LightningStrike here. I made this point when I initially argued Superbia was mafia - for all his talk of wanting to lynch LS he never actually voted for LS. You can see how quickly the wagon formed on Bill Murray near the end. LS had 3 votes on him for quite some time. How hard would it have been for Superbia to get LS lynched if he wanted it? His vote makes 4 and leaves LS as the biggest counterwagon to either vig train by far. Just notice how he's basically begging HF to vote for LightningStrike instead of Bill Murray, but then he never actually puts his own vote down on LS to force HF and company to vote LS to get a counterwagon to either vig. So while it's pretty reasonable analysis, Breshke, I end up disagreeing with the main conclusions from it. | ||
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Honestly right now, it's kinda hard to find reason to reassess this lynch list: 1. Superbia 2. ritoky 3. Alakaslam 4. Palmar when there's basically no activity to speak of from the entire list. ritoky maybe but Superbia bailed on the game, Slam bailed on the game, Palmar is still floating around but might as well have bailed on the game... It's kinda like when you're playing MTG and it's time to sideboard and you have all these sweet cards you wanna board in, but you're like, "WTF do I board out for this matchup?" I could start writing up reasons why Toad fake-cc'd Vivax or Onegu is secret mafia with whoever he declares as his mason partner, but why change anything when all 4 of my suspects make a lot of sense, none of them are doing anything to change my mind and only one of them (ritoky) even appears to care to? | ||
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On March 24 2015 17:35 Toadesstern wrote: the entire point about why mafia would want a vig dead was based on people saying there has to be mafia between Vivax and Toad during d1/n1 to begin with. If anything I find it quite likely that mafia might even want to get BM over any of the vigs hoping for either a reapeat of d1 that just means a shitton of chaos and will end up as Toad vs Vivax lynch or for the vigs to shoot each other during n1. If both vigs are town that is highly beneficial for mafia. Agree with the idea that they want to keep the vigs around as ML bait d2/d3. That seemed to be a pretty major sentiment behind why people didn't like the Bill Murray wagon | ||
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I feel like there's a good chance cop/vig/vig/mason/mason is too townsided still. But I refuse to worry about this until Onegu claims his masonbro. Thanks for starting to play Palmar. Idk if you saw my lynch list but you're fourth behind Superbia, ritoky and Alakaslam. Who should be replacing you on that list and who doesn't belong on the list besides you? | ||
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On March 25 2015 01:16 Vivax wrote: He's scum cause that case on LS isn't natural in my opinion. It's the sort of case one would make with all the gimmick for the distancing. maybe elaborate on this? | ||
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On March 25 2015 01:33 Palmar wrote: Do you agree with Eden's list artanis? Do you think Superbia is the best lynch tomorrow? his town list? ya pretty much Superbia best lynch tomorrow? ya pretty much I could see ritoky but I am trying to be fair-minded and give him time to prove himself independent of his slot. It's not the optimal path to scumhunting in this situation (since all the things making me want to lynch ray still apply) but I think it's better for the game to give him the opportunity to defend himself on his terms instead of on ray's. | ||
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On March 25 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote: Also at what point did we drop SL and Damdred as mafia candidates. I remember being very much okay with killing both of them. since SL started trying and Damdred dropped mondo analysis bombs | ||
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On March 25 2015 01:39 Trfel wrote: Pending his mason claim, I currently want to lynch Onegu the most. I'm actually not really sold on a Superbia lynch. When I look at his filter, it seems pretty good to me. It seems better than his play in Mini Mafia Down Under 2 (though that game probably isn't very representative of his skill), so I'm not confident that he is mafia yet. Why are people scumreading Superbia? (quotes are perfectly fine) On March 22 2015 14:46 Eden1892 wrote: Superbia is mafia because...
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On March 25 2015 01:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also T2 a shit. At least play a reasonable format like modern. if I wanted to play Solitaire I've got it on my computer for free | ||
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How is somebody posting off-topic stuff in the game after not being around for a while, promising to catch up and then not delivering townie? I think it doesn't mean anything for his alignment Also don't think FF's case on LS is suspicious unless it's about a bunch of shit that isn't true. Which reminds me I need to reread it to determine if it's about a bunch of shit that isn't true lol. My recollection is that it was a pretty solid case. And I feel like any substandard pushing it later is likely just to be non-alignment-indicative laziness, but that's obviously debatable. And I guess Artanis's post on FF is suspicious in isolation, but I really like his body of work so I don't really care :o | ||
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On March 25 2015 02:04 Vivax wrote: That's why I realized LS is scum from one post on D1 and you didn't. A scum who comes back to the thread after a long posting pause is going to feel under pressure to deliver something that makes him look like he's doing something useful. Uh scuse me I knew something was off about him from his intro. Just didn't think it was enough to lynch him More importantly how is LS at all analogous here? Maybe Superbia felt pressured but didn't know what to say and just didn't say anything. Maybe he had a lot to catch up on. (He did.) There really is no reason to assume Superbia is town from that | ||
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On March 25 2015 04:23 ritoky wrote: can someone discuss the specifics of onegu's mason claim with me? or tell me which page it is on? did he make it under pressure from votes? was everyone okay with him not outing his partner? who wasn't? why? etc. Onegu claimed Groot (under no pressure to do so), Holyflare pretended to be Onegu's mason partner. We kinda just rolled with it until Holyflare flipped VT at the start of d2. Then Onegu claimed your slot was his partner, ray rebuffed this and stuck to his tracker claim. Onegu said he would claim his mason partner tonight after the deadline for submitting night actions. That's the play-by-play for it. I don't remember specific reactions and I care to look in this monstrosity of a thread for them about as much as you do | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:25 Vivax wrote: Expand on superbias push being suspicious? And what makes you TR FF at all? I don't understand why you get the feeling of having to side with FF here unless you got a damn good reason to TR him. Your whole argument is "why you scumreading FF but not superbia", it just sounds like whining. ![[image loading]](http://www.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif){kind=icon} you should work on your tone reading man.Superbia's push is suspicious because he keeps harping on LightningStrike all of day 1, but never votes for LS. Look at how he bugs Holyflare about "strongarming a BM lynch" and says he's "asked multiple times about an SL or LS wagon." He pouts at HF saying it's HF's fault if BM flips town. All through this time he never actually tries to convince anybody to vote LS and never votes LS himself. That's hella suspect because it shows that for all his appearances he's not actually invested in getting his mafia reads lynched. | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:23 Damdred wrote: I'm not so sure that you guy read ff latest games ? | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:49 Superbia wrote: Eden, my first priority during EoD1 was to ensure that both vigi claims survived the lynch. My preference was to go on SL or LS, but (at that point, due to mason claim) confirmed town HF was looking at BM. I tried to engage with HF regarding the subject of the lynch multiple times, but it never happened. It was abundantly clear what my lynch preference was EoD, and it is also rather clear that if I had made a fuss about the lynch, the wagons would be split and Vivax would've been lynched. You had 3 votes on LightningStrike at the time compared to 3 for Bill Murray. If you had done literally any degree of actual pushing to get LS lynched instead of just saying "why not LS why not LS?" (pro tip this isn't engagement this is just harassing) you probably get that wagon. I would have moved to it if you'd made any case at all. It's the BM wagon that threatened to split the vote, not the LS one. Your lynch preference was "not-the-vigs," you kept talking about lynching LightningStrike, LightningStrike was a viable wagon, but you never vote LS and you allow the BM wagon to take over while grumbling about it instead of making a case on your scumread. | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:57 Superbia wrote: Okay. First of all, I wasn't sure which between SL and LS I wanted to vote off. That's why I wanted to engage with HF and get his thoughts on the matter. Let's say that I was hard-reading LS scum at that time (I really wasn't, I was still unsure of my read), and I vote on LS and start telling other people to vote on LS. How does HF react? How does the rest of town react? Do you really believe that we get the lynch on LS over Vivax? Actually I just looked at the vote count again at the time you asked HF, you were voting sicklucker. sicklucker and LS were both at 3 votes. You're telling me you had two ways to get one of your scumreads lynched that were both as viable as BM at the time, but that you decided to vote for BM (who you even lampshaded would flip town in your comment to HF) instead? The vote was already split among 3 wagons so your reaction instead of pushing either of the 2 that you thought was scum was to move to the one you thought was town??? And hell yes! HF later even said he was drunk when he switched ffs. Obviously some of this is hindsight but yes, the thread sentiment was pretty clearly split 50/50 between "lynch a vig claim" and "don't lynch a vig claim." You had the opportunity right in front of you to push either of your scumreads as the "don't lynch a vig claim" wagon, then you idled on a town wagon that you said beforehand you thought was townie. Why am I supposed to townread you for this? Why shouldn't I find this suspicious as hell? | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:58 Vivax wrote: Speaking of SL, I need Eden to tell me why he's town. So far I was rather chill about him but I figure he's still possible mafia, in stead of 1 of Slam/Palmar who are the guys I'm most unsure of. I felt like he was trying to figure things out and gave more of a shit yesterday, but the more he's just not doing anything the more I'm doubting this tbh. I'm pulling my TR on him | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Flips change nothing when you've collectively decided on the shots. Hell, Toad shot a townread of his in VE and he's still collectively thought of as town by those with thinking caps on. sick vivax burn | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:25 ritoky wrote: Not really, but I can try a little bit. It is primarily a tone, content, and specificity read. The tone and content read comes from me joking a lot with him and engaging in eye of the chupazi training and kinda starting to get a glimpse inside the wifom bunker after the great bombing of the chupazitron 50000 cracked the shell. There's some other stuff to it, but you would call it absolutely crazy. lmao stop making me not want to lynch you for things that have nothing to do with your alignment | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:35 Damdred wrote: Honestly if not for Rayn I'd be town reading rit atm this is what i was thinking | ||
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Every single motherfucker in this game vote Onegu until he claims his mason partner and his mason partner confirms. This is fucking absurd. If he does don't lynch him. Never lynch Damdred, Artanis, Vivax, Toad, ExO_, rsoultin, Trfel. Make the mafia play around the claims. Damdred and Artanis are definitely town. If you get to like d5 or whatever after you lynch 2-3 more mafia and there's some claimed blues who have been passed up in the kill order, start thinking about it. THIS IS YOUR CURRENT LYNCH ORDER. DEVIATE AT YOUR PERIL. 1. Superbia 2. Alakaslam 3. Palmar/ritoky 4. ritoky/Palmar We're all gonna have a talk about these garbo role claims at the end. | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:58 Trfel wrote: What garbage role claims? I claimed my role at the optimal time. Not necessarily yours, but especially if all of them are somehow legit, there's been some real fuckups this game | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:59 Superbia wrote: Eden, you're probably going to die, I'm never going to get lynched and I'm going to lead town to victory. Prepare for postgame. :D The kiss of death. If I'm actually dead and none of the blues are, get this guy. | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:04 rsoultin wrote: glhf  Just want to point out that I was right. Again. Maybe next game people will actually just sheep me | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:05 Superbia wrote: I want to know what the Orb did boys. well afawk town had no more kp except using the orb there's a dead mafia so... you tell me | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:05 Trfel wrote: Huh? Explain this? you posted after deadline before flip i guess is okay and i'm DEFINITELY NOT COMPLAINING HTS DON'T U DARE PUSH THAT BUTTON U HEER ME | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:06 Superbia wrote: Tbh eden, you made me change my mind about the KP with the last min post. x: #Tooscared u wot m8 | ||
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On March 09 2015 12:18 Half the Sky wrote: Game Mechanics and Setup 2 If the vigilante gets roleblocked, his/her bullets will not be refunded. | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:08 Superbia wrote: No shit? So that confirms SL then. Wow. Well, whoever has the orb. And since sicklucker claimed it and no one cc'd even during the last 20mins... | ||
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(1) You claimed after night actions were finalized thereby preventing you from being able to take a bullet by fakeclaiming (2) No other explanation makes sense from a town role to me (3) No explanation makes sense at all from a mafia role to me ????????? | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Anyway with Onegu's absence I want everyone to confirm that they're not Onegu's mason partner. I am not Onegu's mason partner. amen I am not Onegu's mason partner. | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:24 Damdred wrote: 4 possible what Eden. I'm not mason Partners. Now three. sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Alakaslam. | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh I also want to make the point that Vivax had that whole theory that all 4 scum had to be on him because no way would scum switch from him to BM. Yeah, about that. I have a sneaking suspicion that Palmar's move confirms Vivax town (not that we needed more evidence). Which looks hella bad for Slam. | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't see why, he switched away from Toad to BM which saved Vivax. Vivax is still town but why that reason? Because Palmar doesn't pussyfoot around if a partner's life is on the line. He either makes up his mind about busing or protecting his partner. If he had the luxury of trolling the game and flipping last second they have to be both town, yeah? | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:37 Breshke wrote: Cos wouldnt they have rb SL? i understabd that they could have rb and killed rso to make sure she didnt get a save. But if they didnt do that where else would they have sent the rb other than sl who most likely used the orb to.kill palmar. Im saying rso jailed ff which could have stopped the rb. Also someone nominate this orb for best town performance They almost certainly used the roleblocker to stop rsoultin's jailing someone. Especially since there was talk about jailing ExO_ | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No because no one knew if SL was telling the truth or not. His claim could've easily been WIFOM whereas all the other blues were all but confirmed. It makes no sense to RB a POSSIBLE orb user over a confirmed blue. That too | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:40 Trfel wrote: Wait, Eden, what's with this? How could my post possibly have had a negative impact on the game? It probably didn't, I just briefly got annoyed because I thought it might have meant that I was wrong on rsoultin when you claimed and I really don't want to be. | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote: Two dead mafia, both flipped goon.... Does this cast more doubt on our "sea of blue" theory? I thought about this while I was eating dinner, but I don't think it does yet. I would bet the mafia have a roleblocker and framer for sure at least, and I'd bet on unaware miller. That hates out the cop, 2 vigs has dissynergy and roleblocker negates jailer. If we get to 4 goons flipped then I'll start worrying about it. Maybe if 3 flipped (since I could see them having a rolecop as well). But 2 isn't enough to make me worried yet | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Let's say 2 town vigis, an alignment cop, a jk vs a RB, then probably a framer and maybe a gf wouldn't be that bad I don't think. Though if there were a GF and a framer it seems odd they would place a high value on killing ExO. They killed the only 2 blue claims that were more than named townies at this point so I don't think it means much for their roles | ||
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On March 25 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote: Also at what point did we drop SL and Damdred as mafia candidates. I remember being very much okay with killing both of them. 2 townies in this post | ||
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On March 25 2015 11:06 Superbia wrote: Here's where I'm at with Onegu's alignment. I feel like it is somewhat tied with ex-rayn, neo-ritoky. Let's imagine two scenarios, both involving rayn's fakeclaim at EoD1: Scenario 1: Rayn is Town Scenario 2: Rayn is Mafia In scenario 1, scum is likely to have their towniest members carry KP in order to avoid the tracker. Who is unlikely to get tracked if he were mafia? Onegu. The caveat is that Onegu is also in the range of getting either medic saved (mafia don't care about this) or roleblocked (this is a bit risky), see scenario 2. In scenario 2, scum knows there was no CC on the fake tracker claim and as such, there is likely no tracker. As such, having Onegu carry the KP becomes somewhat more risky, because he is in the range of a roleblocker. There is no reason for scum to have him carry the KP. This post is like watching a porn scene that cuts off halfway through the blowjob | ||
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(1) We are not lynching Onegu today, maybe not ever, definitely not today. (2) sicklucker basically confirmed town. Superbia who do you actually think is mafia right now, how do you plan to use your analysis and what is the best reason I shouldn't lynch you today? | ||
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On March 25 2015 11:01 Vivax wrote: I'm weighing in the pros and cons of lynching 1gu: - Scum killed HF blowing up Onegu's cover when an alive HF would have at least kept up the impression Cont. with Slam This is a really hella good point btw. | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:06 Superbia wrote: [...] The misslynch on slam is absolutely irrelevant, because you go into d2 with 5 townies dead and suspicion on the Vigis. 5v10. On March 19 2015 09:57 Superbia wrote: Dumbtell boys. How many mafia are there in a game of 20? 5? it's not this huh? seems weak but that's prolly not what you're getting at | ||
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There's no climax. You don't release any conclusions you have, you just keep them pent up. I know this kinda thing gives you a headache but it's really hard to get into it when you just keep it to yourself like that | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:27 Superbia wrote: Ask me who I want to lynch today, and prepare to get mad. i mean i already implicitly did but ok who you wanna lynch today superbia | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:29 Superbia wrote: Artanis. uh why lol | ||
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i think imma fail your challenge trfel but im still tryin | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:43 Toadesstern wrote: So I'm basicly still where I was a couple hours ago. Ritoky is certainly an option for today simply based on rayn even if he does look better than rayn, but that's not really that much of an accomplishment. There's straight up no reason to not lynch Alakaslam. Superbia I'm very wary but Eden apparently likes him for some reason... so maybe not today. Slam it is? lol what I don't like Superbia at all, I just decided he might respond better to me posing my questions in a slightly less aggressive manner so I toned it down | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:44 Damdred wrote: Also btw I don't think scum oneg goes crazy on rso for saving him instead of hf. I think scum oneg would ride and die with that cred instead of calling RS out Good observation And hey Superbia? Why aren't you doing anything about raytoky? You literally just got through saying you had a "soft different check" on them based on that analysis but then you tell me you want to lynch Artanis and you're not seeming like you're doing anything about raytoky. I feel like if you had actually believed in that check you would be digging into it, why aren't you? | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:45 Trfel wrote: Ok Eden. I'll try one more time. Read it again and imagine you're mafia. like me specifically mafia or as a generic mafioso reading | ||
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but once you started posting for real idt it would be worth to try to push you too hard and i'd probably just glide with the emerging townreads on you and move to something else i also don't think i would be reading that carefully even if i tried hard lol i'm not really getting to what you're looking for, am i | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:55 Trfel wrote: Eden. Here's one more question, don't answer me, but last try. What does rsoultin say her best quality (as scum) is? I don't think I've ever talked about this with her I feel really dumb for missing the boat this bad. What's on your mind Trfel? | ||
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But even if that's right I'm still not sure where I'm supposed to be going here. | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:57 Onegu wrote: I was scum on both, a bit less on artanis because of the RB claim, but I was screaming toad was scum, what's your point here? ... | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote: All right. So Artanis' day 1 is actually really really bad, with the exception if rayn ever flips mafia (which I severely doubt at this point). He hard defends LS: So he whiffed on LS. Okay... On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:He calls toad scum and by proxy, defends Palmar who toad is tunneling. Interestingly, at this very point Artanis had no read on Palmar! He was reading him null! Explain with quotes please, I'll go look for them on my own and we can compare notes. On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Then, when the claim wars happen, he completely flips on toad, and goes hard after vivax. This is after toad was his hard mafia read. Yeah, typically when someone cc's vig in a game where the flavor implies that power roles are unique, your read tends to change in a hurry. [QUOTE]On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:We are left with this list: [QUOTE]On March 21 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Votes as I see them: Vivax (5): Artanis[Xp], Damdred, LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern LightningStrike (4): Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Vivax, Onegu sicklucker (3): Superbia, Alakaslam, Breshke Artanis[Xp] (2): VisceraEyes, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, rsoultin Toadesstern (2): Palmar, raynpelikoneet Eden1892 (1): ExO Not Voting (1): Trfel Only having 1.7 scumread is problematic. Was hoping this'd help more.[/QUOTE] With the exception of possibly rayn, most of his reads are pretty shit. He leans town on two confirmed mafia (really bad) for seemingly no good reason whatsoever. [QUOTE]On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Now this is where it gets scummy, with the whole claim thing. There's a wagon on Vivax and a wagon starts on BM. As the wagon starts, Art calls it "pure" but refuses to switch. He gets called out by you (Eden) and he gives a half-assed excuse later. He seems to strongly consider the world in which both vigis are real: [QUOTE]On March 21 2015 05:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Superbia might possibly be right. Host WIFOM time. I know HtS likes her vigis because she hates lurkers. It's therefore very likely there's at least 1 vigi in the setup. Since the playercount wasn't fixed until the end, I find it plausible that the end balance was made by adding an additional vigi. I'm not sure if I find that more plausible than that Vivax simply tried to fakeclaim and failed though. Toad definitely town for the CC, I just don't ever see mafia making that play when it isn't necessary.[/QUOTE] But for a reason I don't share whatsoever, proceeds to call Vivax 100% scum anyway. Moreover, Artanis later finds the time to make a paint diagram on rayn's anger levels, a very peculiar thing to do in such a high-stress claim situation for town. He seems to consider his options during this claim war, but I sincerely doubt he actually did consider anything. In the end he is still reading Vivax as scum.[/quote] Like here in the quote you're talking about, literally everything you're talking about is explained. He considers Toad almost certainly town because he doesn't think mafia ever makes that play. He says that it's possible there could be 2 vigs but he considers it less likely than Vivax fakeclaiming and whiffing. What is there to be explained? [QUOTE]On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Now it gets even weirder, we manage to get the wagon off of Vivax, and the night phase begins. For some reason, Artanis decides to town-read Vivax, before the night actions are even resolved. Then when the day begins (and KP is reduced), Artanis hard-reads Vivax town for his filter length, what!? My theory at this point is that scum put both an RB and KP on Vivax. I believe that both Artanis and Onegu are scum due to this. I believe Artanis was looking to set himself up to look good before Vivax flipped town, and that he needed to substantiate his read after it became obvious Vivax lived through the KP. By extension, I think that Onegu is scum because in this world Onegu is never the save. I think for a 3rd scum slam is still a good bet.[/QUOTE] How was he setting himself up to look good if he called a presumed vig 100% mafia and voted him the whole way? BTW what's ritoky's alignment in your opinion right now? | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote: All right. So Artanis' day 1 is actually really really bad, with the exception if rayn ever flips mafia (which I severely doubt at this point). He hard defends LS: So he whiffed on LS. Okay... On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:He calls toad scum and by proxy, defends Palmar who toad is tunneling. Interestingly, at this very point Artanis had no read on Palmar! He was reading him null! Explain with quotes please, I'll go look for them on my own and we can compare notes. On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Then, when the claim wars happen, he completely flips on toad, and goes hard after vivax. This is after toad was his hard mafia read. Yeah, typically when someone cc's vig in a game where the flavor implies that power roles are unique, your read tends to change in a hurry. On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:We are left with this list: With the exception of possibly rayn, most of his reads are pretty shit. He leans town on two confirmed mafia (really bad) for seemingly no good reason whatsoever. Now this is where it gets scummy, with the whole claim thing. There's a wagon on Vivax and a wagon starts on BM. As the wagon starts, Art calls it "pure" but refuses to switch. He gets called out by you (Eden) and he gives a half-assed excuse later. He seems to strongly consider the world in which both vigis are real: But for a reason I don't share whatsoever, proceeds to call Vivax 100% scum anyway. Moreover, Artanis later finds the time to make a paint diagram on rayn's anger levels, a very peculiar thing to do in such a high-stress claim situation for town. He seems to consider his options during this claim war, but I sincerely doubt he actually did consider anything. In the end he is still reading Vivax as scum. Like here in the quote you're talking about, literally everything you're talking about is explained. He considers Toad almost certainly town because he doesn't think mafia ever makes that play. He says that it's possible there could be 2 vigs but he considers it less likely than Vivax fakeclaiming and whiffing. What is there to be explained? On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:Now it gets even weirder, we manage to get the wagon off of Vivax, and the night phase begins. For some reason, Artanis decides to town-read Vivax, before the night actions are even resolved. Then when the day begins (and KP is reduced), Artanis hard-reads Vivax town for his filter length, what!? My theory at this point is that scum put both an RB and KP on Vivax. I believe that both Artanis and Onegu are scum due to this. I believe Artanis was looking to set himself up to look good before Vivax flipped town, and that he needed to substantiate his read after it became obvious Vivax lived through the KP. By extension, I think that Onegu is scum because in this world Onegu is never the save. I think for a 3rd scum slam is still a good bet. How was he setting himself up to look good if he called a presumed vig 100% mafia and voted him the whole way? BTW what's ritoky's alignment in your opinion right now? | ||
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So why do you believe all that? Your entire basis for your ritoky AND Onegu reads is the idea that mafia rb'd and shot Vivax. What is the basis for that idea? | ||
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On March 25 2015 13:23 Superbia wrote: Eden, would you agree that your read on me d1 based on the damdred/rayn thing has affected your read of me throughout the entire game? No, considering I had you in my town pile between then and my more recent scumreading. What are you trying to say here? | ||
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Artanis, why did you change your mind on Vivax? | ||
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Although Superbia is doing a good job of getting himself off the list... | ||
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But I gotta admit that Superbia might be getting somewhere with this Artanis thing. Gonna need to see how Arty responds. | ||
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On March 25 2015 13:32 Trfel wrote: Eden, now that ritoky and Onegu have claimed VT... What do you think about the game's power role balance? 2 vigilantes 1 jailkeeper 1 cop Is that fair for a 15 town vs 5 scum game? Thanks! With scum rb and framer? I'd buy it | ||
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Let's see. People I never lynch: Eden Trfel Toad Vivax sicklucker The rest: Onegu Damdred Artanis Fecalfeast Breshke Superbia ritoky Alakaslam 10 to 3, no more extra KP, should be 3 MLs and 3 mafia. I just need 2 people to escape that list and I can POE the game. Cool! I'd evacuate Damdred, Onegu and Breshke. I think I can make pretty good town cases on all of them. That leaves five kills and as long as we hit mafia at any point before running out of MLs, we have the opportunity to reconsider the two-vigs theory if we haven't won by the time we lynch the rest of the list. And that's a pretty conservative list to me. The never kills are me, the two vigs for whom there is strong evidence to suggest both are true, and the two people who straight up killed scum with the orb. Damdred and Breshke are my top evacuations because both of them are putting forth pretty insightful analysis that's far more reminiscent of their town games. I'm not saying it's out of bounds of their scum games per se but they'd both have to have stepped up significantly. Onegu I just don't think is mafia fakeclaiming mason - Vivax made the point that it really makes no sense for mafia to shoot Holyflare if they want to pimp the Onegu-is-mason theory, since they know Holyflare is making up the mason thing and thus shooting him and flipping him spoils the whole thing. That already leaves me with five people, and of them it's hard for me to believe that Superbia and Artanis are on a team. If we assume Artanis is mafia, then Superbia's case is hella good. Do we really think the mafia sacs the one player that infiltrated the town circle to prop up a guy who was afk while town started trying to solve the game? Didn't think so. So there's at least 2 mafia outside of this duo. Of the rest, I can see townie cases for Fecalfeast and for ritoky. I think ritoky is more likely to flip scum but I figure I can sort that out later. These guys don't have to be opposite-aligned, but unless both of them are mafia... Slam is mafia. So honestly my question for today is "Am I in a world where Fecalfeast and ritoky are both mafia?" If not then we 100% lynch Slam. If so then we 100% lynch them. Meanwhile I will leave Superbia and Artanis to their duel. | ||
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On March 25 2015 13:49 Trfel wrote: Eden, am I right to trust you in this game? Ya. Why wouldn't you be? | ||
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1. Are Artanis and Superbia both town? If yes goto 3. If no goto 2. 2. Are Fecalfeast and ritoky both mafia? If yes lynch either one. If no goto 3. 3. Lynch Slam | ||
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Artanis/Fecalfeast/ritoky Superbia/Fecalfeast/ritoky Artanis/Fecalfeast/Alakaslam Artanis/ritoky/Alakaslam Superbia/Fecalfeast/Alakaslam Superbia/ritoky/Alakaslam Alakaslam: 67% chance scum Fecalfeast: 67% chance scum ritoky: 67% chance scum Superbia: 50% chance scum Artanis: 50% chance scum Lynch should be among Slam/FF/ritoky. Slam easily scummiest of the 3. | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:31 sicklucker wrote: Theres also the fact rstoulins claim was weird and she coulda been vet. Either way I think its enough reason to not kill super today plus he seems to be trying now correct slam is best lynch | ||
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you can say it if you think he's mafia and you think he got jailed carrying kp but it makes 0 sense to say it didn't help town when he bought an ML | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote: Sorry, can I get answers to these questions? Links to previous posts are fine. But I'd like fairly concise explanations. Why is Alakaslam scum? Why is Onegu town? Why is ritoky town? (given how he crushed town as scum in Down Under 2) slam is scum thru POE and not making even the slightest iota of effort to solve the game onegu is town thru the sequence of mason claim + rsoultin jailing him + hf being shot. the most plausible explanation of this sequence, by far, is that scum believed they were masons together and tried to shoot both of them ritoky is town thru... thru... well idk i have him in my POE. LOL but he's trying which is better than can be said for slam | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:57 ritoky wrote: isn't SL town for shooting a mafia in the face? and idk shit about the night actions, but if it did something, then cool, but dunno if it counterbalances the confusion caused. so some temporary conclusion that didn't really hurt our scumhunting efforts vs buying an ML ez trade ez life | ||
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and trfel... how is slam interesting this game? his 'evolving' read on holyflare is omgus, then dropping it when no one wanted to do anything with it. other than that he's done naught but excuse his inactivity, post off-topic and make bizarro world martyr posts about killing him so we can figure out we're wrong like you have a really really low bar set for interesting if slam's play this game is interesting lmao | ||
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(a) i tried to make it as conservative as possible so as to maximize its odds of success; more stringent requirements for not being lynched = lower likelihood of false positive among the not-lynch group (b) you really haven't done shit since your big case on ls that i can recall off the top of my head | ||
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but you're not helping me solve the game by asking me to lynch you (unless you're mafia) | ||
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So let's look... On March 19 2015 23:35 LightningStrike wrote: Town: Exo: He seemed to be his normal self some questions but I waiting for him to case someone at some point in the game after playing with him in Newbie LX. rsoultin: She seems to happy to roll Mafia this game I would think she would be Mad at rolling Mafia again esp with me in the game but she seems to be having fun with her posts so far (She rolled Mafia in Horns of Africa and Titanic) Also she died way to early in JOAT because of mean HTS wanting to get rid of her so she wouldn't figure HTS out in JOAT She also my whisper so listen to her on me.Holyflare: Some decent questions and plays similar to how he did in Horns when I played with him plus answering a meta point to me about Mafia!Rayn is more useless than Town!Rayn but idk what Rayn post would indicate that he's useless tbh :| Vivax: Vivax is Vivax and that means he just crazy but I think he's trying hard this game and more likely Town than Mafia upon the fact he's trying so hard but he's crazy so meh. Trfel: I finding his entrance odd but who the hell claims Mafia Day 1 except for Damdred in Imperial lol..... He got some decent questions and also can't wait for him to case someone even if he case the hosts (For those who didn't check Mini Mafia Down Under 2 he cased the host and it was funny as hell 10/10 would want him to case a host again). Bill Murray: Asking some decent questions and my first time playing with him and seems to engage with his Mafiaread of Eden and noticing some stuff I don't think others did at the time. Eden1892: Had some trolling stuff early on which I kinda expect from him as Town compared to Mafia with some decent questioning regarding me to rsoultin. Also his filter is much bigger than his filter as Mafia from experience playing with him. Superbia: Much more serious already and already down to business which I think makes him more Town than Mafia knowing in Campus was kinda trolling in Day 1 and was useless in Imperial. Breshke: Short filter but some of his questions ande thoughts to be something I would think he would do as Town more so than Mafia esp his little thing on sicklucker. Null: Damdred: Seems to be a his townie self but I remember he looked so townie yet he was Mafia in Titanic so I need another Day of him being alive to make a good read. Artanis: As I said earlier he looked so Townie in Imperial yet he was Mafia but he also had a bad game as Mafia in Student VI so idk I need some more time to figure him out prob by Day 2 since I know he's a player by reputation being one of the best players in TL Mafia. raynpelikoneet: Seems much angrier than normal idk if it's truely alignment indicative about him but HF says he's useless as Mafia compared to Town but his filter seems Palmar centric with some side tracks O_o Palmar: Trolling a good amount I don't think it's alignment indicative for him since he loves to troll as both alignment from my experience with him cept for Metal Mini when he was super serious. Alakaslam: Slam is Slam and I can't really read him and I know he's the true king of WIFOM as either alignemnt so meh. Onegu: Very short filter and not really doing much but I remember him being kinda meh as town compared to Mafia but I need some more posts from him. sicklucker: I can't read him anymore after Linux when he was Mafia and he always bounces off the walls as either alignment and did make some incorrect statements about self meta but he done that as either alignment. I think he becomes obvious Mafia at Day 2/3 area from my experience with him and seeing him playing as Mafia so I waiting for Day 2 to make my read on him. Fecalfeast: He not raging about his role with time and idk if it's alignment indicative for him from my experience with him being town :| Sorry for the long wait for my post I was updating it while checking the thread so I wouldn't be so lost and added in info while making the post! (not mentioned: Toadesstern, VisceraEyes) Part of me wants to just take the plunge, say that LS tr'd none of his teammates and go from there. That'll put Superbia and Breshke in town pile and... leave me with six targets (Damdred, Artanis, Alakaslam, ritoky, Onegu, Fecalfeast) for six lynches. Huh. I guess I'll start with those guys and see if I feel that LS was unduly suspicious of them relative to their posting and thread sentiment about them at the time. That seems like the best place to look for LS tmi'ing his partners mafia. | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:41 Vivax wrote: How is that list town. It's void of scumreads, it's like a big "DONT HURT ME PLS". big ups to this guy for immediately noticing the issue btw | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:00 Half the Sky wrote: Day 1: Current Vote Count Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes sicklucker (1): Alakaslam D1 vote count with my best guessed at alignment filled in. If your name doesn't have a color, you're not lock clear town to me right now. I have a few townleans obviously but as I said before, I'm trying to be more conservative with my town circle to minimize my chance of having false positives in that town circle. I've already talked about why I think Superbia's vote was really shady. He spends most of d1 pinging mafia!LS for inactivity without actually interacting with LS or trying to question him to develop a read. He ends up narrowing down his desired lynch to LS or sl. He also comes down firmly on the side of not wanting to lynch a vig claimant. But then with the opportunity to get either of his desired lynches as alternative wagons to one of the vig claimants (LS and sl both were tied with BM at 3 with a half-hour to go and a lot of people online), Superbia flips his vote to BM while grumbling to HF about BM flipping town. This doesn't necessarily make Superbia mafia, as I've done this several times before as town, but it's inevitably because I either doubted my read at the last second or got frustrated that no one was listening to me, and importantly, it comes after pushing my read hard to begin with. Superbia basically claimed that he didn't really doubt his read, but that he felt no one would listen to him; but he also never made a strong effort to be listened to. Superbia, if you were reasonably confident that one of LS or sl were mafia, why did you not ever try to convince people to vote for either of them when you had the opening? I'm gonna go through the rest of the players whose names aren't colored up there and work them out in a similar manner. | ||
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On March 26 2015 00:56 Vivax wrote: I think the fact he answers to Artanis about VE but not his own case is telling on its own. After I write such a massive thing I see no reason not to talk about it and instead put my emphasis on VE whom I'm not reading either way. Agreed, and here's some more stuff: On March 21 2015 01:53 Fecalfeast wrote: So I think I'm changing my read from <LS is scum and rso is bad> to <Rso is scum and LS lives in her pocket> On March 21 2015 03:45 Fecalfeast wrote: I kinda still think LS is mafiaaaa On March 21 2015 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm going to side with the counter claimer on this one. I don't see mafia toad going for the 1 for 1 here On March 21 2015 05:57 Fecalfeast wrote: ls is mafia with toad, the plan is they are going to get vivax lynched and when he flips vig play the "oh no there must be 2 vigs" game On March 21 2015 06:16 Fecalfeast wrote: We should lynch LS This is all of FF's mentions of LS of note after the non-questioning non-session Vivax is talking about, with a free prize inside (FF's evolution on the vigs). It's like FF completely forgets about his own case on LS. And if we thought Superbia was shady for not pushing a read on LS when it mattered then holy shit Fecalfeast is shady. Guy has a monster case that turns out to be right on LS. For whatever reason he first decides Toad must be town, then flips to Toad being mafia with LS. Fecalfeast, why did you change your mind so suddenly on Toad vs Vivax? But ok, let's assume there's a legit reason for that. Fine. So FF thinks LS and Toad are on a team together. The thread is torn between the sentiment that one of the vigs needs to be lynched and the sentiment that they should be left alive until night actions to figure it out. At the time of FF's post, Vivax is the lead wagon with 7 votes, Toad is 2nd with 4, LS is 3rd with 3. Why isn't FF posting his case again or engaging anybody to convince them to vote LS? | ||
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Then FF basically drops off the face of the Earth after n1. ~7pg filter through d1, which is a pretty reasonable posting rate for a game this big and high-traffic. ~3pg filter after that, which is basically not even playing the game. | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:45 Alakaslam wrote: well that leaves me with only SL to ask SL SL is just wifom to me. He needs to die a few times as town and come around to knowledge of the game before I can really do much with him. I had a policy of lynching him. If no one is going for HF (really hard d1 with good reason, but I reiterate he is 80% Mafia in my eyes) I am not agianst SL lynch. On March 19 2015 10:10 Alakaslam wrote: I did answer you. SL is a lynch I am not against, nor for. You keep saying I am for it, you obviously don't believe me. Also, my reason for not being against SL lynch was a policy I held where I wanted him lynched all the time. But he has been in games since then, so I shouldn't stick with it. On March 21 2015 08:00 Half the Sky wrote: Day 1: Current Vote Count sicklucker (1): Alakaslam s e e m s l e g i t | ||
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On March 26 2015 01:41 Trfel wrote: I looked at what Alakaslam said once he came back. Unfortunately, I was gone by that point, so I couldn't interact with him. But I actually put him at a town lead at this point. His play is just so markedly different from his scum play last game. If Alakaslam is lynched, it should be due to interactions with flipped mafia. explain, i have no scum priors on slam specifically the last point because why just his interactions with flipped mafia? | ||
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On March 26 2015 02:13 Alakaslam wrote: Maybe you can help me with this. Why are you sheeping eden? I am The Rock, we already established this. You said the key to understanding your alignment is engaging you. How am I supposed to do that? You said you lynched sicklucker based on him being "pure WIFOM." No attempt to understand his alignment? I don't even know what I'm supposed to engage you on, because for having a 9pg filter all I can remember from you is OMGUS Holyflare, plynch sicklucker, inactivity johns and martyrdom. :/ | ||
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this might be the most brilliant thing i've ever read in the field of mafia meta reads | ||
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hijole: 6 svengali: 2 tot = 13 * 5 = 65 - 184 = way below 0 = scum ...lol | ||
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On March 26 2015 02:28 Trfel wrote: Eden, this is what I'm saying. Do you think it is a coincidence that Alakaslam decided to play "normally", without CHUPAZI, svengali, or hijole, the game after this "Alakaslam formula" was unveiled? I certainly don't. i mean, most likely no? but if this is him playing normally... refer to my post summarizing his game for why i'm unimpressed and now he's stealth voting me without directing me to figure out how to read him | ||
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regardless based on your body of work it's pretty much impossible for me to believe you're town. how am I supposed to change my mind about you? what am I supposed to be seeing? help me help you | ||
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On March 26 2015 02:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gone for most of the evening in 8 min btw so if you have questions ask them now why should i tr slam | ||
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and i can only think of the initial reaction to hf's push on slam that MAYBE felt townie (calling him out on logic fallacies specifically), but that hardly counts for shit this late in the game and i can't tell if that's because i'm hella right and he's obvious scum or if i'm hella wrong and not seeing the reasons he's town bc confirmation bias | ||
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On March 26 2015 02:58 Alakaslam wrote: NEITHER OF EDEN OR VIVAX ARE ACTUALLY TRYING YOU FOOL. They are simply taunting me and changing what I say. They refuse to read what I have actually said and are taking advantage of my being so behind on the game by refusing to answer anything I ask. I'm not taunting you. You literally have only asked me so far what I think of you calling me scum. It's ridiculous because I'm obviously town, it proves nothing about the game because you're either inattentive or mafia or both which I already knew. On March 26 2015 03:09 Alakaslam wrote: You are supposed to be seeing frustration and inability to aid, you should see a logic that is trying to aid town from a position of literally no information. You should see me GIVING A FUCK BECAUSE AS SCUM I WOULDNT. I WOULD JUST LOL AT YOU AND GO FOR YOUR nk EARLIER. You should see me popping in so rarely and only saying things like "page 302, boss 302" and my opinion on things here and there. You should have fucking lynches me when I asked for it, not always as the pocket lynch at the end until scum finds they need an ML NOW this is why you are so scum in my eyes. I can see a scum strategy and you are following it better than the town strategy and you refuse to inform me. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOUKD SEE HILY SHIT NO JNFORMATION LIKE WTF I COULD ASK MY SCUMTEAM TO KEEP ME UPDATED VERSUS ROLLING OVER USELESS LIKE THIS. I COULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE I WAS IP ON THE THREAD I don't want to fucking lynch you if I don't have to. Holy shit. I don't know what part of that isn't clear since I've repeatedly said "you are not helping me by trying to get me to lynch you." I have you in my POE pile. You know what that means? I have other people I don't want to lynch, I don't know what you are and I'm trying to narrow the game down to where I can lynch you regardless of your alignment and still win. Getting yourself lynched literally changes nothing about the game. Doing things that I can townread you off of OTOH will allow me to move you out of the POE list and (if you're town) get me that much closer to winning. Refuse to inform you about what? The 300 pages you're behind on? Ain't nobody got time to go over everything. What do you want to know? | ||
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On March 26 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Eden! Talk to me. I want to lynch Onegu. Why is this a bad idea, and who do you want to lynch, and why? I just don't see Onegu fakeclaiming mason as mafia and then actually riding with it when Holyflare decided to claim it with him. Like what's the plan for doing that? As Vivax pointed out earlier, the instant Holyflare flipped not-mason we all started looking hard at Onegu being mafia. Knowing that the scumteam was likely to want to shoot Holyflare if they could, it seems unnecessarily risky for Onegu to followthrough like he did. I'd rather lynch Fecalfeast for the stuff I said earlier (and shouts to Vivax for noting it first). He made this big case on LS that was pretty legit and then immediately dropped it and literally never brought it up again until it was time to claim kudos for catching LS. When he had the opportunity to push his lynch at eod1 he never does so. Then once town starts getting organized he just checks out of the game, which seems consistent with a mafia team that was starting to struggle to disrupt the town team's investigations. (admittedly there might be extenuating circumstances for his absence, but until i see them i can't assume that) | ||
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On March 26 2015 03:14 Alakaslam wrote: You know what Eden I bet you don't play offsite much anymore. I think you would find that you are not nearly as good as you think you are because the way you play is way too open to reading based purely on activity which is a massive TL thing. You don't see this played up so strongly anywhere else. wow somehow i'm completely unconvinced to change anything about what i'm doing zzz | ||
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On March 26 2015 03:17 Alakaslam wrote: This is false because if I was lynched earlier, eden's world would be smashed and people sheeping Eden would have to wake up and reevaluate. If town can actually afford it my lynch could be the best thing that happens to it. But I am beginning to doubt that town can afford it. it's fucking 10 to 3 right now. 10. to 3. this setup is effectively a 10-3 vanilla game except that we have like 4 confirmed-in-all-but-name townies in our two claimed vigs, sicklucker and trfel we can absolutely afford your ML BUT IF IT WOULD BE A MISLYNCH I DON'T FUCKING WANT TO DO IT | ||
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On March 26 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote: Also SLam, we're in an amazing spot. That talk of mislynches being pushed and scum being in a sick spot makes no sense, D1 we lynched a guy who was a prime vig target when I started playing, D2 we lynched scum, today we lynch another guy nobody wants at lylo. It's going swimmingly! it's why he's probably town though he seems genuinely completely unaware of how bad a spot scum is in right now obviously "he could be faking it" but i don't think he is. slam prolly town. | ||
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On March 26 2015 04:48 Damdred wrote: It makes me sad Eden you have dropped me from no lynch to probably not lynch. Slam feels town to me, Oneg play doesn't make total sense as scum as I said before. Why isn't breshke in your list? THAT'S WHO I FORGOT LOL god it was driving me NUTS trying to figure that out he's in probs not lynch and don't feel bad damd. literally everyone that isn't me or role-confirmed-town is out of definitely not lynch. like i said it's about making the POE more accurate | ||
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On March 26 2015 04:49 Damdred wrote: Kinda bothers me Palmar left breshke out for so long and didn't interact with him. He (breshke) called out LS early in the night when its obvious LS wants out of the game and bresh disappears off almost everyone radar now i have him in probs not lynch b/c i felt like he was productive when he was around... i'm not married to that read though | ||
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On March 26 2015 04:58 Damdred wrote: Tell me how he was productive exactly and quote things meh cba lol make your case for why he's mafia. i'm open to it | ||
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On March 26 2015 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: The answers to the questions I was asking. You aren't a blue claim, so I don't see how you can be confirmed town. I see way too much "confirmed town" being thrown about this game, you aren't just PoE me as you have been snidely coloring me red since the start of the game. ...which questions...????? the only question you asked me is what i think of you calling me scum which is that i don't give a fuck and "snidely"? what? i've been coloring you red since around d2 when you entered my poe pile it's for the same things as i've said before but i think the whole "i would ask my teammates for help" thing made sense | ||
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On March 26 2015 05:40 Vivax wrote: Lol how? Scum tends to overestimate town cred and is usually quite willing to bus. When they get Palmar on their team his first lines in the qt will be "Ok guys, let's ahrd defend each other" unless he thinks the game is lost form the start. I can provide examples from Titanic where I was scum with him. Point being: It's hard to not be right when you're scum. It's much more attractive to try nd be in a spot where you seem to be right most of the time. Alakaslam for me is excempt from this reasoning as the time I witnessed his scum play (on an OMGUS game where he mislynched me) he would simply pile up on mislynches. He doesn't really give a fuck this game unless people call him scum, he went apeshit when HF called him scum and he goes apeshit when we want to lynch him, otherwise not much to see here. Literally no logical reason to have him in this game. slam, were he lynched right now, would be lynched for not doing anything to find mafia that's not something you get much in the way of cred for he just seems so... out of it. like he really thinks scum is in this incredible position right now when we have 4 role-confirmed-towns in a game of 13 people and 3 mafia. and he's just striking out at random people like me instead of trying to pile on ml's. i feel like he would be a little more aware of the game state if he were mafia since he'd have 2 more people he could bother for advice / information | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:14 Vivax wrote: Same for Slam? People still sitting on onegu for the most part. Did you decide to TR slam? I'm 100 % sure you would regret it at lylo to leave him alive, whereas you could lynch FF without batting an eyelid. Keep it rational without pretendin to think you can read slam either way. The road to victory is paved with incognito-free slabs. For now. Maybe I would regret it, but I'll frankly be shocked if I made it to LYLO to make that decision. We've got 3 ml's to give so even if both vigs get shot before me and we whiff on all 3 lynches, it won't be my call. For now I think Slam has a lower probability of flipping scum than Fecalfeast. That's all I care about right now. | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:29 Vivax wrote: According to your former reasoning they have equal chance. Why has Slam lower prob now? Fecalfeast's claim to town status is making a solid case on mafia that he promptly drops and never revisits. Slam's claim to town status is an unawareness of the game state that seems virtually impossible to reconcile with a mafia mindset. I'm far more convinced by the latter rn | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:34 Vivax wrote: If you think you can't read him you can't think he's town? At the very least you should assume that you aren't able to think he is either? Even if I can't read him and drop my town read that's null. Which is still irrational to lynch over scum | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:38 Vivax wrote: Objectively the other possible reason is that they didn't know who else to RB anyway? This is kinda where I am now. Admittedly I forgot about the Rb.... | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:42 Vivax wrote: I do think FF is mafia but my current PoE also says Slam is mafia and I want to lynch Slam first cause I wanted to get rid of him N1 and to get rid of this fucking discussion that makes me starkraving mad whenever I want to lynch players like him. The grush57's, Chezinus and Slams of this world. I want a troll genocide on this forum so I can win games by reading people who allow themselves to be read, instead of keeping them around as an asset to mafia. Dang tell me how you really feel. Lol I'm just not sold on it yet, sorry. I'll think on it but I believe FF is the wiser choice. | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:54 Vivax wrote: I could say the same about FF. There is really no rational basis for you to spare slam on this day except your ego, which is the ego that makes policy lynches impossible in the games in which they are really needed. It's not even that much of a policy lynch for me. I can think of some reasons for slam being scum I already have mentioned. But it's in the nature of the troll to be able to hide himself behind the argument that his lynch is "just a policy lynch", diffaming everyone pushing for him. They are a massive annoyance to this game and people will invent all sort of stupid reasons to let them live until they reach the point where ONE lynch decides the outcome of the game, and mafia as well as town can go like "Well up until this point I've TR'd everyone else so let's lynch this guy nobody ever bothered with cause I've run out of options". Get rid of Slam now and you will at the very least know where everybody really stands if we ever reach a lylo situation. Cause town will have to find scum in their townreads and scum will have to make up scumreads from their townreads. What in gods name does my ego have to do with wanting to use our remaining orb to deal with a supposedly unreadable player and wanting to lynch someone I actually think is mafia? | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:15 Damdred wrote: btw I think its really depressing and stupid you guys are basically discussing POLICY lynching people after we killed two mafia instead of diving into their filters and looking for connections or weird interacitons between them. Everyone really needs to read breshke filter and stop being lazy and give opinions, instead of talking abou tpolicy lynching slam/oneg at this point. Can you summarize your findings on it Damdred? I'm not filter diving Breshke til I'm off work lol What do you think of my argument on Fecalfeast? | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh ok, in that case who would be your most likely suspect in the event I flipped town? This way I can both be useful to town and try to prove my innocence at the same time! The same pool of suspects that would be likeliest to flip scum besides you. What other answer was I supposed to give? | ||
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Posting Rate Analysis: An Advanced Look I've talked about this before, but never actually bothered to try to do this analysis for an actual game. See, I think the way a lot of people use filter lengths to analyze players is too simplistic. It's lazy, frankly. They just quote a number from a game, guesstimate whether it's relatively active or inactive given game size, and then say "oh well his filter is X pgs long so he's <alignment>." Naw bitches we steppin this game up. I've created a formula to generate values for posting rates that correct for the sizes of games and the duration of that player's life in the game. Observe: PostRt_This_Game = Filter_Length (pgs) / Player_Count (players) / Time_Alive (days) * 1000 PostRt_Alignment = AVG(PostRt_1, PostRt_2, ...) So for example, if I'm playing in a 20 person game, my filter length is 20 pages and I die n1, my rating will be 1000 and I'll promptly commit seppuku because seriously that's absurd even for me. (20 / 20 / 1 * 1000 = 1 / 1 * 1000 = 1 * 1000 = 1000) The determinations per alignment is just taking the average of the value for each game registered for each alignment. I used the database and in order to get a more accurate sampling, I defaulted to using games from only 2015. Where I didn't feel I had enough games to do it (i.e. had 1-2 games), I went as far back as I could to find enough samples to run it. I went ahead and did the calculations for 3 of the 4 players I would lynch today. (Left out FF because he only had like 1-2 games in the database as mafia.) Breshke postrt_this_game: 0.8721 postrt_town: 5.0262 postrt_scum: 3.4863 Superbia postrt_this_game: 2.3256 postrt_town: 8.5083 postrt_scum: 3.8854 ritoky postrt_this_game: 4.7438 postrt_town: 3.7115 postrt_scum: 1.9685 So what did we find?
Unfortunately I couldn't do FF's, since he has one valid scum game (the 4-hr mini is probably too different to be factored here). But I think this is a decent start. Superbia likely mafia, ritoky likely town, Breshke maybe mafia but really his inactivity is too extreme to know what to do with it. | ||
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Sorry, instead of time alive, it's number of pages at time of death. So amend my example to say that there were 100 pages of filter. 20 pgs of filter for me, I die n1, 20 players in game. 20 / 20 / 100 * 1000 = 10.0, which is still extreme lol | ||
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BUT "HE TALKS 2ME LIKE IM CONFIRMD TOWN SO I MUST B TOWN" - tlmafia.net | ||
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i think right now my pile of lynches is: - fecalfeast - superbia - breshke - onegu - ritoky probably in that order, too. definitely never lynch vigs, me, trfel, sl almost definitely never lynch arty, damd i keep waffling on slam but hopefully the orb sorts that out although honestly we have 6 lynches... so unless there's a fakeclaimed vig i'm pretty sure we just lynch that whole list and call it a day | ||
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Onegu if your vote is locked in why aren't you voting? | ||
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On March 27 2015 04:33 Toadesstern wrote: Eden, do you think posts like this:show good intent and the idea that Onegu was fakeclaiming to draw hits as well as help town or does it look like he abused it for something else? I can't figure out what that something else would be. Looks completely within his town range and mafia range, also looks pointless | ||
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(1) SCIENCE BITCH (2) The fact that he seemed to just be arguing points with Artanis instead of actually trying to figure anything out or get anywherre and say we lynch Superbia today. (1) is pretty self-evident, of the people who I bothered to do my Advanced AnalysisTM on Superbia's data clearly fit scum profile rather than town. (2), when I read that argument (and I'm gonna reread to find examples or reevaluate if I'm wrong), it seemed more like Superbia was interested in arguing the individual points Artanis was raising instead of demonstrating why he was town instead of scum. I got the impression that it was debate without a conclusion. I'm not really sure why Artanis was satisfied with it, but I don't think it means anything for his alignment, so idgaf. | ||
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On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote: Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). So this is a good example. This doesn't actually prove that Artanis is mafia. Superbia is interested in demonstrating that Artanis's reads were chaotic instead of fluid. Sweet argument, who the fuck cares, is he town or mafia for this? He almost gets to the point of arguing that something might be mafia-indicative (disconnect between stated reads and apparent progression of those reads), but he uses one example (Vivax read) that is actually pretty reasonable to flip like that on (since Vivax really dialed his game up around n1). Later on is more damning to me: On March 26 2015 22:54 Superbia wrote: I bussed in Imperial? Hardly. I threw some scum on Ritoky (iirc), my team mate. That's about it. You can't half-ass this shit. Expand all the quotes and read it. I snipped some of the older stuff that's not relevant, you can read that on your own if you wish. You'll notice that Superbia doesn't bother to rebut the arguments Artanis made about his play in this game, only instead demanding that Artanis also make a meta argument against him. When Artanis says he hasn't meta-read Superbia, Superbia rebuts by saying that one of Artanis's points was based on meta. He doesn't actually try to rebut the point being made based on meta, notice; he just corrects Artanis on the fact that one point was meta-based. Artanis rightfully tells him that he's arguing points instead of reads and demands his case be addressed again; Superbia responds by halfway-arguing that in one game in the past he didn't bus. This doesn't even rebut the substantive part of the one point being made (that Superbia buses as mafia), it's just semantics about one example. The rest of the case goes unaddressed. This guy is just arguing to argue. | ||
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(1) Him starting to show doubt on his read on you doesn't mean anything. He could be backing off as scum because he doesn't want to argue with you further because he can't, which is entirely consistent with him dodging your case and nitpicking semantics. (2) He didn't bother to try to force something by comparing to Imperial because fuck going through 30+ pages of your filter in a 500+ pg game just to maybe throw some doubt on you that won't get you lynched. Much better to pacify you by trying to tr you while still not addressing your case. I'm okay enough with the Breshke one for now. FF one might be legit, I forgot about that. I would rather lynch Superbia anyway so yeah. Meh. I'd rather orb Slam and I don't know about the Onegu one. | ||
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On March 27 2015 04:55 Vivax wrote: Fuck it I'm rescinding the convincing promise 2 h pre-lynch. Y'all too bad while I called out scum D1 and N2. Don't even wanna bother against jubjubs. Wat | ||
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On March 27 2015 05:03 ritoky wrote: eden, how strong is that read on superbia? cuz i kinda had the same no traction, and backing out of a read feelz that you did. Strong enough that I'm lynching him over it Thinking back a bit, I remember a comment he made toward me where he basically insinuated that I was likely to be biased against him due to my earlier read. This came while I was questioning him on something. In hindsight it kinda reeks of this debate club, point-out-fallacies-without-forming-useful-conclusions "style" that I feel like comes from mafia mindset more than town mindset. Townies argue as a means to the end of finding mafia. Mafia argue as a means to the end of looking engaged. For townies, argument is strictly a tool through which reads are formed, so they're less likely to just argue aimlessly about the minutia of particular points - they might get into stupid arguments but it's always for the purpose of trying to develop reads on other players. Mafia otoh can and do easily fall into the trap of engaging points about players without trying to make a read on them. It makes them look like they're helping and being useful without committing them to a read. I don't really feel like Superbia's arguing this game has been the townie kind of arguing, with the exception of his case on Artanis, which he's promptly walked back anyway. | ||
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On March 27 2015 05:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Drops a big case on me and is "anxious to see me reply", then goes afk for 33 hours in which time I had replied, happens to come back right as I case him and barely seems interested in anything but nitpicking. Bingo. He sorta revisited his case once with the Vivax point, but that quickly devolved into aimless arguing, and he just kinda drops the rest without engaging you on it at all | ||
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On March 27 2015 05:13 Damdred wrote: Who all's on super now arty, me, ff | ||
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On March 27 2015 05:15 ritoky wrote: get sold by art and eden, vote in vote thread. return to thread, hit f5. read this ![[image loading]](http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i473/Cinematicssheehan/uneasy.gif) lmao | ||
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then if we're wrong on superbia you can both argue that your scumread voted with his scumread on a townie :^))))))) | ||
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I'll try to be around for EOD and keep track of the happenings, but tonight is "Indulge Delusional White Baby Boomers' Fantasy That They Aren't Old As Shit" Night aka "Have A Bunch Of 60-Year-Olds Play Oldies And Classic Rock Really Badly" Night so the restaurant will probably be packed | ||
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On March 27 2015 05:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I look forward to Superbia entering the thread again. He p much has to since he hasn't voted yet. Make sure no one gets any funny ideas about double lynching with the modkill. They're gonna think about it and it'll be a terrible idea | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:10 Superbia wrote: Surely this wagon is going to hit mafia. Rofl. If it's not, do you have any intention of stopping it? | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:13 Trfel wrote: Eden, you're still here. Switch votes with me? This is my wagon so no lol | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:16 Fecalfeast wrote: so wait what is vivax? Who the fuck knows lol | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote: Are you fucking serious? I have the option of 1. defending myself to age-old arguments which are utterly irrelevant by definition (bc I'm town). or 2. play PoE. Ya, I got my option picked. Like are you fucking kidding me Eden? You defended Art so fucking easily, yet when it comes to me you harp on the smallest, most obnoxious shit. It wouldn't actually surprise me if both, or at least one of you is mafia. You changed your mind on both of us awful quick there. And speaking of harping on small shit! If that makes me suspicious, what does it make you that your entire engagement with Artanis today can be summarized thusly? | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote: Let it be known that the only real reason I think Superbia is scum is because everyone else seems to think so. And I'm not very good at being right. Eden, my problem with your analysis is that it assumes that people are smart. I agree that Superbia and Artanis were arguing for the purpose of arguing, and not to actually arrive at any useful conclusion. However, I think that the entire progression of Superbia's case on Artanis and his follow-up argument indicates that Superbia is extremely determined to push Artanis, and this makes him seem towny to me. Townies often bicker pointlessly. It doesn't make them scum. It isn't that it's pointless bickering its that there never was a point. Townies bicker pointlessly but they have some goal in mind. Superbia just nitpicked at Artanis's argument without trying to get at his alignment or really accomplish anything. And I don't really see how Superbia is "determined" when he basically drops his case once he finally gets a chance to engage Artanis. Nor how that makes him town | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:36 Superbia wrote: Yeah, this worked out great in the last game. No, you're going to lynch me here and you're going to keep lynching me in other games until you guys finally figure out how the fuck I play mafia and how I get my reads as town. Also the fact that inactivity is not a scum-tell for me. I literally mathematically proved that inactivity is a scum tell for you so... | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote: Like do you truly believe your case is that good that almost the entire population unanimously jumps onto it? No? But I think it's solid. I don't really know how to react to how quickly people got on it OR your reaction here. | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:41 Superbia wrote: Yeah, well, guess you're turning in that math degree in 1h19m. Economics and one errant example doesn't rebut a tendency. Why am I supposed to not lynch you for martyring? | ||
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I kinda think Trfel might be right | ||
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Vivax is right | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:17 Trfel wrote: Eden, I thought you liked my earlier reasons to townread Alakaslam. I did But I'm pretty sure Superbia is town. His reaction is hella pure And Slam seems like the only alternative people will take | ||
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On March 27 2015 11:04 Trfel wrote: Other people agree that this is a very towny post, right? Wait wtf??? Jailer doesn't stop kp??? In what world?! I'm a lil mad if so although I guess he has to be town | ||
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I have no idea what this point means | ||
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On March 27 2015 11:09 Trfel wrote: Jailer does stop KP. But that aside, I think that Onegu's reaction hints at him being town. Do you agree? Explain like I'm a 5 year old that just mislynched town | ||
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On March 27 2015 11:14 Trfel wrote: Onegu sees a post that says "jailer doesn't stop KP", and he responds "that means I'm town!" I'm thinking that if Onegu is mafia, he wouldn't think to respond like that, because he would know that it is false. Obviously he could, I just think it's less likely than Onegu actually being town. Unless of course, I am wrong in this assessment, which is why I am asking. shrug. Seems easy for him to do either way, but I get where you're coming from. I feel like there's something meaningful to be taken from the fact that everyone jumped on Superbia and then a lot of people were willing to move to Alakaslam at the end. I'm gonna go look at the votes and see | ||
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Kinda want to hit from among the following: Superbia ritoky Fecalfeast Breshke | ||
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Same principle tho. Both of you switched late. Why? | ||
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Trfel, idk right now. Working on it Breshke why did you think FF softed the orb during the day? And you're saying you didn't think ritoky was mafia, but you have him listed in your mafia pile... why? | ||
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On March 27 2015 23:47 Vivax wrote: Why are people townreading FF tho? He's totally different by tone and play compared to Imperial, it's not just his case on LS. Well I'd expect FF's tone as a player to differ from his tone as a GM I'm glad people are revisiting the Superbia nonpushes on LS from d1. Can we orb him now? Lol One idea that I think really has some merit is that the mafia wanted to keep both vigs alive for an ML d2 (and possibly? d3). My only concern is that once d2 rolled around, I don't feel like anybody actually tried very hard to push a lynch on either vig. I know we kinda collectively decided the vigs had a good shot at being town by the end of n1, but we must have a pretty background mafia imo, because the data screams out that they wanted vig ML's d2/d3 but there's no concerted push on it early in d2. | ||
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I'd probably go with Superbia / ritoky / Fecalfeast if I had to pick a team right now. Superbia for aforementioned reasons, ritoky for dropping off the face of the planet once he was given a day to prove himself town, Fecalfeast because I tend to weigh the tone argument across the whole game higher than the tone argument in the one exchange with rsoultin. | ||
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On March 28 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote: Yummy I had Chinese . On a related note people should talk about ritoky/rayn(1) ray's slot was scummy (2) ritoky ain't doin anything (3) ritoky ain't funny this game 6/3 would kill | ||
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On March 28 2015 04:53 Superbia wrote: I'm not Orbing myself. I might orb Artanis, though I'm probably getting RBed anyway, so it doesn't really matter. -_- damn right you aren't orbing you cuz i'm orbing you | ||
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Lynch out of Superbia, FF, ritoky, Breshke. Be skeptical of the orb user. Question them extensively on their choice rationale and result | ||
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i think town could have reasonably gotten toad with there being too many pr's but sl would have been too much | ||
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