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On March 26 2015 12:18 Eden1892 wrote: ritoky postrt_this_game: 4.7438 postrt_town: 3.7115 postrt_scum: 1.9685
Wow, that's a pretty big discrepancy I have there......I need to start fixing that next time I roll scum LOL
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On March 27 2015 04:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 04:19 ritoky wrote: sorry, wife's bday yesterday; catching up on a lot now You're the guy I was just looking for. Aren't you suspicious of Damdred? Now is the time for a good case.
give me like 20 mins to catch up on the thread, then i will start working on it.
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This might be the worst vote count I've ever seen. ~3.5 hrs to EOD, there's like 5 wagons that could get voted for and literally all of the most suspicious people except Fecalfeast are just sitting back not voting and waiting to see which wagon gets lynched.
Onegu if your vote is locked in why aren't you voting?
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unvoting btw
will be deciding my vote in the next hourish. apparently i have work from 4-10 tonight
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Hi Eden, pls help. Game is hard.
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Eden, do you think posts like this:On March 23 2015 12:53 Onegu wrote: You dumb dumbs lynch me before Rayn. When I flip mason you lynch toad when he flips scum you lynch rsoul. show good intent and the idea that Onegu was fakeclaiming to draw hits as well as help town or does it look like he abused it for something else?
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Agreed
Vivax you're drunk go home
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On March 27 2015 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:Eden, do you think posts like this: Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 12:53 Onegu wrote: You dumb dumbs lynch me before Rayn. When I flip mason you lynch toad when he flips scum you lynch rsoul. show good intent and the idea that Onegu was fakeclaiming to draw hits as well as help town or does it look like he abused it for something else? I can't figure out what that something else would be. Looks completely within his town range and mafia range, also looks pointless
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I think I'm just going to trust in 2 things: (1) SCIENCE BITCH (2) The fact that he seemed to just be arguing points with Artanis instead of actually trying to figure anything out or get anywherre
and say we lynch Superbia today.
(1) is pretty self-evident, of the people who I bothered to do my Advanced AnalysisTM on Superbia's data clearly fit scum profile rather than town.
(2), when I read that argument (and I'm gonna reread to find examples or reevaluate if I'm wrong), it seemed more like Superbia was interested in arguing the individual points Artanis was raising instead of demonstrating why he was town instead of scum. I got the impression that it was debate without a conclusion.
I'm not really sure why Artanis was satisfied with it, but I don't think it means anything for his alignment, so idgaf.
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I'm just going to give the reasons I have to townread suspects we have. Breshke:
On March 26 2015 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay after checking Breshke's scumgames he seems much more aggressive in them, calling people out and being very certain of himself which is in contrast to both his last two towngames and this game so he goes into townpile.
Onegu:
On March 25 2015 23:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay there's something in Onegu's tone I noticed in Neat & Tidy (mafia) that struck my eye because it felt very un-Oneguish. Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 13:41 Onegu wrote: Yeah its not me never has been.
Rayn is the only thing that makes sense. He played me all game and I was wrong thinking I could read him.
Guys please dig my filter and realize its not me. If you fools want to know the reason its not me 100%, I have rolled scum I believe 7 times, of those 7 times I have won 2. A newbie and when I was paired with Marv and Sylencia. In most of the other games rayn it was you who had me pinned as mafia day 1/2 for legit reasons.
The only thing that stuck in my craw yesterday about rayn and makeing me feel he is scum today besides PoE. Is this, i push kush yesterday, rayn then comes into the thread throws his vote on kush, I follow with my vote. He then asks why I feel kush is mafia even though I have already given it, rayn even though voteing kush never gives his reason for voteing kush until late in the day after being pushed for it. There's something that feels very defeatist about this, and it's formulated in a way very differently to how Onegu said he's fine with getting lynched this game. It feels more... theatrical, like he has to put on a show. Onegu this game has not felt like he's putting on a show at all. I think I'm going to go with town onegu for now.
Fecal:
On March 27 2015 00:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Fecal's interaction with rso though reads quite genuine. The sudden "fuck you are town aren't you" popping up is something I can really imagine as town and would find hard to fake as scum. I guess it's possible to fake if you're aware that what you're pushing is definitely going nowhere but I think scum would try to find some excuse for it.
Superbia: Fact that he actually started doubting his read on me after meta'ing me despite having thrown just about anything he could at me beforehand and that there's certainly stuff in Imperial that you could parallel to here if you searched hard enough if he wanted to paint me off as scummy.
Slam: Basically other people's reads, I dunno how to read him for shit.
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Eden pls tell me which reasons are shit (other than Slam because that's obv) and which ones are actually good.
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On March 27 2015 03:58 Damdred wrote: I kinda want to lynch ritokyvright now for totally vanishing and not pushing his soul scum read currently. He also is missing the drive to push much of anything and he's super serial
wasn't I town, if not for rayn's play earlier to you? what changed that? just my inactivity cuz of my wife's bday?
also this seems like a damnded if i do damned if i don't set-up (PUN INTENDED). you're scum reading me for not tunneling you? which is the thing i am most prone to do as scum outside of bus like mad?
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i kinda want to lynch damdred or onegu.
damdred mentioned onegu so little in his filter, basically not even regarding his existence that it just reeks of partners ignoring eachother. if i am wrong and 1 of them flips town, then i am probably wrong on both of them and the other 1 is clear imo.
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We are not lynching Damdred today. He wasn't even a candidate until a few minutes ago. We'd need much more time to even consider him.
Today is between Onegu/Slam/Superbia/Fecal, maaaaybe Breshke.
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On March 27 2015 04:45 ritoky wrote: i kinda want to lynch damdred or onegu.
damdred mentioned onegu so little in his filter, basically not even regarding his existence that it just reeks of partners ignoring eachother. if i am wrong and 1 of them flips town, then i am probably wrong on both of them and the other 1 is clear imo. that's pretty shitty reason to vote anyone. There's a crapton of people I ignore in most games just because I don't have a lot of games played with them while mostly sticking and talking to the guys that I know for 1+ years in games if there are such people.
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On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote: Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). So this is a good example. This doesn't actually prove that Artanis is mafia. Superbia is interested in demonstrating that Artanis's reads were chaotic instead of fluid. Sweet argument, who the fuck cares, is he town or mafia for this? He almost gets to the point of arguing that something might be mafia-indicative (disconnect between stated reads and apparent progression of those reads), but he uses one example (Vivax read) that is actually pretty reasonable to flip like that on (since Vivax really dialed his game up around n1).
Later on is more damning to me:
On March 26 2015 22:54 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:52 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:46 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. What's the parallel between this game and my scum games? Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE. Bullshit. One of your arguments is that I have bussed in the past, indicating that you have some sort of realization of what my meta is. Draw parallels. Which was my one game with you in Imperial. Stop telling me how to do my job and respond to the entire post if you can. I bussed in Imperial? Hardly. I threw some scum on Ritoky (iirc), my team mate. That's about it. You can't half-ass this shit. Expand all the quotes and read it. I snipped some of the older stuff that's not relevant, you can read that on your own if you wish. You'll notice that Superbia doesn't bother to rebut the arguments Artanis made about his play in this game, only instead demanding that Artanis also make a meta argument against him. When Artanis says he hasn't meta-read Superbia, Superbia rebuts by saying that one of Artanis's points was based on meta. He doesn't actually try to rebut the point being made based on meta, notice; he just corrects Artanis on the fact that one point was meta-based. Artanis rightfully tells him that he's arguing points instead of reads and demands his case be addressed again; Superbia responds by halfway-arguing that in one game in the past he didn't bus. This doesn't even rebut the substantive part of the one point being made (that Superbia buses as mafia), it's just semantics about one example. The rest of the case goes unaddressed.
This guy is just arguing to argue.
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In fact can anyone give a good reason for not breshke? Breshke has not impressed me at all
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Well, guess I better bus superbia.
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breshke is town for his interaction with me earlier, i don't particularly remember anything else....should probably revisit that read instead of just leaving it at that.
slam is town lean cuz of my crazy reasoning that no1 but me understood.
onegu is mafia, but that is mostly as a result of me not being a fan of letting fakeclaims go unpunished and damdred association.
the other 2 i don't have a particularly firm opinion on. superbia really seemed to believe in his case on artanis earlier which was really town for me, but he backed out of it after it got no traction. can't tell if it was because his read on artanis changed or if it was cuz it had 0 traction yet...kinda meh on him. fecal...dunno LOL, hardly remember any of his posts. that's probably no bueno for him.
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I guess Superbia backed off on me because he knew he wasn't getting anywhere and looked for an excuse in meta. That makes sense. Thank you town hero Eden. ##Unvote ##Vote Superbia
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