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Damdred what were you expecting from such a question? That Toad starts posting puppies?
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On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do.
Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow?
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On March 23 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote:
i know that i'm getting sick of artanis' she's town cause she has a ton of posts -_- that's true, but it's like the easiest read on me ever
like, honestly, if i can't keep myself from getting lynched without eden/art running interference i'm the shittiest player here and should only play in newbies...that i then inevitably fuck up lol ><
The only guy calling you scum is rayn so far, cause he doesn't buy you jailing Onegu cause medic dodge.
I'm going with the theory you're town for pretty much the same reasons Artanis does. You don't seem to have trouble posting, but what you do have trouble with is getting some firm scumreads out there.
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On March 23 2015 03:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow? No? He's town I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now
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Why did you even want to lynch Artanis???
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Artanis might flip mafia.
But Artanis did a lot more.
I don't know if Artanis going after every target is town or scum.
But I would lynch Artanis.
This doesn't sound like a scumread at all. It's a plain "would lynch" with nullish points chained onto it. Can you point anyone to a reason you scumread him in the first place?
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On March 23 2015 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:32 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:28 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow? No? He's town I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout. LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now well and that is just that, slightly leaning mafia on d1. Read the actual reasoning you just quoted and tell me with a straight face that was a strong read I was really convinced in. It's a gutread and nothing else. Yes I'm willing to lynch into those d1 if they're up for lynch. No I'm not going to push them until they get stronger.
Well of all the people you mentioned as gutreads I ended up being your favourite when I already had the most votes while everyone who was your strong read (and you included Artanis among your strong reads) became a secondary preference.
When you mention Artanis you don't refer to the wall of text, you mention activity related reasons for being unsure about him that weren't even the main point of your case on him, here.
In your case we find this:
Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia.
But later you put him off the table for this:
He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
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But that's the point!
I don't read him by activity.
You scumread him for his content and reconsidered on activity.
And when I say you went for the low hanging fruit I mean that you displayed the mafia trait of talking about everyone that was a possible lynch even when they were just null reads. I don't see the point of talking about my null reads unless asked about it.
The thing is: You came into the thread, checked the important wagons, and to fake scumhunt commented on each one of them, instead of commenting on things you really found important: Your scumreads.
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I made this argument previously and you said "but Palmar is in there". Well no shit Palmar is in there only a dumb scum would forget about the guy he called scum so confidently. But what was the point of even posting about Damdred and SL?
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You weren't in theory willing to lynch them
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So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now.
No SL and Dam in here.
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On March 21 2015 02:46 Vivax wrote:
To Toad's defense, Palmar is "his" scumread, and on him I couldn't be this confident after what I've seen.
Yup I forgot I corrected that out myself.
You reference SL and Dam in your big post with the 25 pages ahead to either TR or null-read them.
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Anyway this isn't really going anywhere since I'm feeling multiple stuff doesn't add up but nobody will care if I'm the only one, although maybe somebody finds something interesting when we have more information on Toad.
So, Toad. What do we do after LS is gone?
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I'm not fond of Palmar's play but he saved my ass with his vote, and scum had to sink a rb on me.
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On March 23 2015 04:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 04:11 Vivax wrote:
Anyway this isn't really going anywhere since I'm feeling multiple stuff doesn't add up but nobody will care if I'm the only one, although maybe somebody finds something interesting when we have more information on Toad.
So, Toad. What do we do after LS is gone? we obviously lynch Rayn, the guy everyone considered to be confirmed mafia and only put into green because of the fake mason claim.
Do you see evidence that he was bussing LS D1 and not scumreading him for honest reasons?
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Besides saying everyone was scumreading rayn is serious bs Toad. Both VE and HF TRd him.
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ExO claimed a greencheck on rso
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On March 23 2015 04:17 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 04:16 Vivax wrote:
Besides saying everyone was scumreading rayn is serious bs Toad. Both VE and HF TRd him. just no
Read the game????
On March 22 2015 05:36 rsoultin wrote:
rayn may be an exception
but solely because it would look fucking odd for him to scream KILL TOAD KILL TOAD
then hammer viva lol ><
On March 22 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote:
he could have just afk'd on toad and vivax would still die
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You quote old posts Toad.
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On March 22 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote:
he could have just afk'd on toad and vivax would still die in fact i'm almost certain he'd rather do that as mafia
Oh really? Guess it sucks when you don't read the game cause this is the post right after.
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Toad has such an incomplete view of the game that everybody's alarm bells should be ringing.
People who give a shit play the game, people who don't, don't.
ExO thought he spotted a liar when he got back the result, so he claimed. There's nothing desperate about that play, it's just a guy who thinks he caught scum and then fucks up cause he didn't read his role properly. That's not a mistake likely to happen to mafia as then that claim should have led to somewhere for his team, and I don't believe an entire scum team to make the mistake of thinking town can have a rolecop.
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