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On March 18 2015 21:35 marvellosity wrote:
ok. let me know if you want my feedback on anything. although your opinion > my opinion this game.
If you have any opinions on one of Palmar/prplhz/Eden being town then this game should be easy.
I feel like prplhz is town. I really liked when he first said "i think i can't counter your case rayn" but still went on and answered me. Although i am a bit sucker for these kinda things as i totally misread Superbia in the Campus Mafia for the same kind of response after making a perfect case on him and having solved the game. 
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On March 18 2015 21:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar can you explain why you retracted from your vigi claim when you did? Because LS was going to claim roleblocker and having roleblocked me?
Yeah well like what does it matter?
I mean like first you treat LS in a jokingly manner but suddenly your attitude totally changes for some reason.
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well the things i feel are not townie about prplhz - very little impetus to solve the game a lot of the time. was unreasonable towards me even after i backed off.
i also don't believe his responses to your case were particularly townie. like - he has to DO something right? or he just gets lynched. taking time to answer case on yourself is the least he can do. he just appears when people are attacking him.
things i feel are townie about prplhz - my townread on him early. it's very unusual that i have a pretty hard townread on a mafia early. normally i hedge my bets. so maybe i should trust myself.
his pursuit of onegu (the way he went about it). his interest at EoD. The fact he voted Onegu.
The weird vote on Koshi. I still do not understand what he was doing. Maybe he's mafia and he's making some play to hedge his bets and choose a vote later? But then he votes for the gf.
I tend to think weird things like parking your vote on Koshi are more likely from town.
My conclusion here would be: town.
I guess I have to try to reread other people carefully, because I fear I end in the same conclusion for them too which means I am weighting things wrong.
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On March 17 2015 16:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 13:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
the classic 17-hour-early-not-even-in-the-lead-in-votes martyr post.
Meh, like if you think prplhz is going to keep his vote on himself then sure I'm not in the lead. Rayn is doing his once a game tunnel a townie into being lynched, marv is sheeping him so he can lol at him. Anyway lynch into prplhz, Eden, palmar. There is at least one if not 2 scum in that group.
I would bet a lot of money that Onegu did not name 3 townies here.
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On March 18 2015 21:47 marvellosity wrote:
i also don't believe his responses to your case were particularly townie. like - he has to DO something right? or he just gets lynched. taking time to answer case on yourself is the least he can do. he just appears when people are attacking him.
Yes i understand this. That's what mostly bothers me as i said.
It is the attitude i find townie. Like usually when i make a case like that on scum people are quite likely to just give up as i DO push my cases and am persuasive in a way or another, let it be yelling the things into oblivion or reasonable arguments. Like if prplhz is mafia here his play this game would be "say some smart things then go unnoticed and hope people don't lynch me" and in my opinion trying to actually explain himself, especially AFTER saying he probably even can't, in a tough spot does not fit to that play given how he usually plays as mafia.
Am i reading too much into this?
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On March 18 2015 21:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 16:16 Onegu wrote:On March 17 2015 13:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
the classic 17-hour-early-not-even-in-the-lead-in-votes martyr post.
Meh, like if you think prplhz is going to keep his vote on himself then sure I'm not in the lead. Rayn is doing his once a game tunnel a townie into being lynched, marv is sheeping him so he can lol at him. Anyway lynch into prplhz, Eden, palmar. There is at least one if not 2 scum in that group. I would bet a lot of money that Onegu did not name 3 townies here.
well of course he didn't, silly.. 
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On March 18 2015 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 21:47 marvellosity wrote:
i also don't believe his responses to your case were particularly townie. like - he has to DO something right? or he just gets lynched. taking time to answer case on yourself is the least he can do. he just appears when people are attacking him.
Yes i understand this. That's what mostly bothers me as i said. It is the attitude i find townie. Like usually when i make a case like that on scum people are quite likely to just give up as i DO push my cases and am persuasive in a way or another, let it be yelling the things into oblivion or reasonable arguments. Like if prplhz is mafia here his play this game would be "say some smart things then go unnoticed and hope people don't lynch me" and in my opinion trying to actually explain himself, especially AFTER saying he probably even can't, in a tough spot does not fit to that play given how he usually plays as mafia. Am i reading too much into this?
well, i just feel like his options are
1. don't respond, get lynched
2. respond, try not to get lynched
Like if prplhz is mafia here his play this game would be "say some smart things then go unnoticed and hope people don't lynch me"
the problem is people are noticing him, right?
Koshi is all over his ass all the time. Eden too? You are on his ass with me kinda nudging you about it in the background. I don't think he can hope just to slide by through the day. That's not really an option.
like i am not even saying prplhz is mafia for responding to your case with some effort, that would be silly, i just don't think if he's town that's why he's town.
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I just don't think prplhz would care too much if he was scum.
meh.. okay. I think we need those people talk more.
Now Eden has to respond to my points i brought up against him earlier, at least prplhz did that.
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On March 16 2015 09:22 Palmar wrote:
Why would you lynch me Onegu?
On March 16 2015 09:22 Palmar wrote:
Quick response please
On March 16 2015 18:45 Palmar wrote:
##unvote
##vote Onegu
For wanting to lynch me without having a reason to do so.
townpoints
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tbh if Palmar is mafia he has totally outplayed me.
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I don't know how much does that count as. I know Palmar's philosophy is "it matters where your vote ends up on in the end". I think it would be quite easy to soft-bus like that at the start of the phase, no?
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like if he is mafia and decided he wants to try (which he would be this game), he would be tailoring his play to exactly meet my expectations.
but i am reading his day 3 at the moment and i find it hard to pick out unnatural things. his pursuits ebb and flow (e.g. on prplhz)
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Like Palmar in this game lack consistency. I can't figure out what his train of thought is throughout the game, like how do his reads really form and why does he vote for the people he does. He isn't really pushing anything for real reasons.
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that's true a lot of the time though
but in his day 3 - actually i find it extremely easy to see what he was thinking.
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Like there are some things i find really townie in Palmar's play:
- I liked his vote on Eden at the start of D2, because i think that is one of the reasons Eden is mafia (the extra information thing). However he doesn't pursue it. Why? Like he clearly thinks that was the case, why does he drop it?
- I also liked when he tried to make you work with him on D3. I found that out to come as natural and reasonable. But again, when people actually start doing shit (mainly when prplhz comes back to the thread) he goes back to just saying "marv is scum" or whatever dumb stuff that doesn't really help.
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if I put all that aside, I think the reason he can be mafia is his fruitless tunnel on me towards the end of the day when things started to matter.
the tunnel is pretty bad because he himself makes a post which acknowledges the fact that as mafia I have 0 incentive to antaongise him, and every incentive to at least LOOK like i am working with him
but later in the day he brings up me antagonising him as a reason i am mafia.
i'm just not convinced him being bad like that actually makes him mafia at all.
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like the thing is, I have never seen him play like he did on d3 as mafia.
like, maybe he particularly wants to win this game, maybe this and that, but I've seen him several times play that way as town under pressure, and the tone is very very consistent with that sort of play.
so if he's scum he's pulling out all the stops and making his tone + play sound almost exactly alike to his towngames.
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I have to check his play in Titanic III play. I think that's Palmar's best scumgame i have ever seen since i couldn't figure out he was mafia until the very end. What he is capable of and whatnot.
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I should probably check that out myself, but my memory of skimming that game at the time is that he would pick out things in that game like contradictions that didn't actually make people mafia
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ok i'll look now actually.
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