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Ok, so reading the OP this was Semi-open - town knows all the possible roles, just not how many.
Framer + Godfather isn't unprecedented... I'm not sure where you're getting that from? It might not have happened in a TL forum game, but its definitely happened in TL IRC and forums, and I'm pretty sure there was a TL game that had it. Even if its unprecedented, it's in the OP, that should have been taken into account. This seems like a good punisher game, where if you scumhunt it isn't that hard but if you rely on roles too much you'll get screwed. If I had been in this game, the first thing I would have done is write an article on the different possible setups and interactions we needed to be careful of, chiefly that cops are less reliable that they typically would be.
TL Towns have a really bad habit of just rolling with the cop claim, and they usually end up winning because TL Mafia players are really bad at dealing with a claimed cop.
Also, as someone said, TL players are much better at playing town than playing mafia (aside from a couple people). So if you want a setup that is balanced for its playerbase, this setup seems good. rsoultin is right.
@marv: Mafia is a little favored, but its still reasonable, especially with the disparity in play quality between Town and Mafia. 8+JK vs 3 isn't dramatically imba, JK is a really powerful role in a setup where KP is carried.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
given that town won, it's not like a huge problem right
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
not really, just makes us doubly awesome
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
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On March 26 2015 05:36 rsoultin wrote:
lolol
dude, i'm sorry, but with a town like this mafia needed a leg up
no it shouldn't be used as the default for all games but i think it was completely appropriate for this batch of players >> something validated by the fact that it was a town win despite the set-up xP
I'd tend to agree here.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 26 2015 05:51 marvellosity wrote:
The problem is that the roleblocker is only strong late, and pretty weak early. Mafia will never carry the KP on anyone likely to be checked. So the RBer has to hit the 1/3 or 1/2 mafia that is the absolute hardest to find.
Of course later (if the RB is alive) it becomes insanely strong.
Yeah, but at the same time town knows to go after those type of players and if the rber is able to locate the most town looking mafia, sometimes mafia will straight up lose. If you're able to eliminate yourself, a small group of players that you have an strong town read on, and anyone that is lynched or shot, the pool of possible targets grows pretty small pretty quickly in a mini.
I'm just playing devil's advocate though. I agree that removing the miller or nerfing the framer in this setup would probably have been smoother.
On March 26 2015 06:19 iGrok wrote:
Framer + Godfather isn't unprecedented... I'm not sure where you're getting that from? It might not have happened in a TL forum game, but its definitely happened in TL IRC and forums, and I'm pretty sure there was a TL game that had it.
There have actually been 15 games on TL with the framer + godfather combo, which is almost half of the total games with framers. Hosts are cruel individuals 
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
i'm curious how many of those were 3 mafia setups though
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On March 26 2015 08:02 kitaman27 wrote:There have actually been 15 games on TL with the framer + godfather combo, which is almost half of the total games with framers. Hosts are cruel individuals
Must be back in 2009 when town had those 5 wins 15 loss ratings in 9 vs 3. Or it were +20 player games.
I understand that town won this game. But come on.. Framer, gf and miller... If town knew the set-up nobody would give too many fucks about the copchecks. But in this case town didn't know and I didn't see a set-up like this in the lat 2 years.
But town won.
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there was nothing wrong with the setup.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Whatever problems this setup may or may not have had, it can't have been THAT scum-favored since town won
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On March 26 2015 09:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever problems this setup may or may not have had, it can't have been THAT scum-favored since town won
well scumteam didn't really play and jat had even nerve to go tell here i unnecessarily bussed.
that fucker.
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On March 26 2015 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 09:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever problems this setup may or may not have had, it can't have been THAT scum-favored since town won well scumteam didn't really play and jat had even nerve to go tell here i unnecessarily bussed. that fucker.
I DID play. And yeah, bussing day1 was not necessary. Bussing Onegu this hard wasn't either.
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On March 26 2015 12:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2015 09:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever problems this setup may or may not have had, it can't have been THAT scum-favored since town won well scumteam didn't really play and jat had even nerve to go tell here i unnecessarily bussed. that fucker. I DID play. And yeah, bussing day1 was not necessary. Bussing Onegu this hard wasn't either.
just like you told me in scum qt.
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On March 26 2015 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 12:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 26 2015 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2015 09:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever problems this setup may or may not have had, it can't have been THAT scum-favored since town won well scumteam didn't really play and jat had even nerve to go tell here i unnecessarily bussed. that fucker. I DID play. And yeah, bussing day1 was not necessary. Bussing Onegu this hard wasn't either. just like you told me in scum qt.
I wasn't talking about actually lynching one of us there. I made it pretty clear that there are always other possibilities. Anyways, there is nothing to argue here. We made the incorrect decision as a team in the end since I did not stop you from doing this. I can't fault you for not bringing it home under these circumstances - you clearly played the best game out of the scum players.
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