EPTXXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) - Page 342
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
9 vs 3 | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
mafia: godfather, framer, goon | ||
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Eden1892
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:57 Koshi wrote: The problem being that it is totally unprecedented that there is a gf and a framer. not anymore! | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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geript
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
that being said, town won, right? So I don't know if people can really complain thaaaaat much. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On March 25 2015 06:16 Blazinghand wrote: I wouldn't approve that setup if it were submitted to me as a balance team member. Town would probably be slightly better off in 9v3 mountainous just because of the amount of cop weirdness. If you're the cop in this setup a red check doesn't really tell you that much, since it's as likely that a red check is a townie as it is a scum, and as the cop you are not aware of this fact in a closed setup. that being said, town won, right? So I don't know if people can really complain thaaaaat much. That's why i push boundaries and ignore such things. | ||
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geript
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
even then it's tough on the cop, but doable | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On March 25 2015 06:29 marvellosity wrote: palmar and i had a little chat about it in irc, we agreed that the more old-school framer of "you can make people appear red to alignment checks" might be more appropriate. and no miller. even then it's tough on the cop, but doable I agree with this. I know I undervalue framers though because it's so rare it ever comes up. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
The problem is that you guys are treating cop checks like they mean something, when really they don't. If you have a framer, godfather, and unaware miller, and a town RB, cop checks don't give you better than 50% chance of being accurate - at which point you're just as well off flipping a coin. So really, this setup is somewhere between 8vt+1tracker and 8vt+1jailkeeper vs 3 mafia, which is pretty reasonable | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On March 26 2015 03:38 iGrok wrote: Agreed. This setup looks fine to me. The problem is that you guys are treating cop checks like they mean something, when really they don't. If you have a framer, godfather, and unaware miller, and a town RB, cop checks don't give you better than 50% chance of being accurate - at which point you're just as well off flipping a coin. So really, this setup is somewhere between 8vt+1tracker and 8vt+1jailkeeper vs 3 mafia, which is pretty reasonable You do realize town didn't know the setup right? framer + gf is unprecedented. It was only "logical" that after the gf and miller flipped town assumed that the check should be respected. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
dude, i'm sorry, but with a town like this mafia needed a leg up no it shouldn't be used as the default for all games but i think it was completely appropriate for this batch of players >> something validated by the fact that it was a town win despite the set-up xP | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 26 2015 03:38 iGrok wrote: Agreed. This setup looks fine to me. The problem is that you guys are treating cop checks like they mean something, when really they don't. If you have a framer, godfather, and unaware miller, and a town RB, cop checks don't give you better than 50% chance of being accurate - at which point you're just as well off flipping a coin. So really, this setup is somewhere between 8vt+1tracker and 8vt+1jailkeeper vs 3 mafia, which is pretty reasonable no it isn't. 1 effective blue in a setup with numbers that favour mafia is not very reasonable On March 26 2015 03:02 kitaman27 wrote: I think the impact of a town roleblocker that can block the mafia kp in a mini setup without a mafia rber is being undervalued. It doubles both as a protective role and an investigative role. It becomes especially strong with 1 mafia remaining in endgame scenarios. The problem is that the roleblocker is only strong late, and pretty weak early. Mafia will never carry the KP on anyone likely to be checked. So the RBer has to hit the 1/3 or 1/2 mafia that is the absolute hardest to find. Of course later (if the RB is alive) it becomes insanely strong. | ||
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