EPTXXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) - Page 266
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prplhz
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marvellosity
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raynpelikoneet
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marvellosity
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If Eden is mafia, then it was bussy. What do you think of that? Or is the argument that Eden likes to bus but did it early, and tried to lynch ritoky with jat? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 18 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote: So I remember saying before that I didn't look like how Eden treated jat day 1 looked very bussy. If Eden is mafia, then it was bussy. What do you think of that? Or is the argument that Eden likes to bus but did it early, and tried to lynch ritoky with jat? Eden is a busser. He basically did nothing but bussed SL in the PM game awhile ago. I don't know what you mean with the last sentence? | ||
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marvellosity
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still kinda terrible english | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 18 2015 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden is a busser. He basically did nothing but bussed SL in the PM game awhile ago. I don't know what you mean with the last sentence? The last sentence is just the narrative - Eden buses jat early, then tries to lynch ritoky late in the day when jat did. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 18 2015 22:45 marvellosity wrote: The last sentence is just the narrative - Eden buses jat early, then tries to lynch ritoky late in the day when jat did. Yes it makes sense to me. Correct me if i am wrong but when JAT became the leading wagon and started playing and shouting things there were people who were considering ritoky as a possible lynch. My interpretation is that mafia realized there is a chance ritoky can be lynched instead of JAT. Onegu most likely can't do shit about it. So it has to be JAT and Eden who push the lynch because JAT can't do that alone at least if Eden is on JAT wagon. The situation is different from the PM game where Eden and SL were pretty much the only viable wagons on D1, there is nothing to do there but bus (and Eden in that game started bussing when i had made a big fucking case on SL and Koshi on Eden -- like it's really easy to deduce there is nothing you can do to avoid mafia being lynched). Like i know this is irrelevant to Eden's alignment if i have incorrectly read the situation on D1 but i do remember going even harder on JAT because i feared there is a chance people pile up on ritoky instead. Maybe i need to recheck that too. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Really hard to make something out of a bus happy filter from a bus happy player. Did he just bus everyone? Was his last minute voting on Eden an opportunistic play to save the mafia (prplhz) that he'd been bussing all day? Or was he just going for the sweet, sweet endgame play? I really can't tell | ||
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Palmar
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On March 18 2015 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah well like what does it matter? I mean like first you treat LS in a jokingly manner but suddenly your attitude totally changes for some reason. I was always going to retract the claim. I townread LS in like the first three posts of the game and never wavered. But he didn't actually claim but instead went afk. I don't believe my attitude changed at all, well I was super disappointed he left the thread because I thought I could really have fun with the whole thing. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town. As i said, this looks like Eden is giving all the reasons for ritoky be mafia, then ends up in conclusion that "ritoky is town". | ||
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marvellosity
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 18 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote: had this post typed up about what Onegu was doing and I deleted it. Really hard to make something out of a bus happy filter from a bus happy player. Did he just bus everyone? Was his last minute voting on Eden an opportunistic play to save the mafia (prplhz) that he'd been bussing all day? Or was he just going for the sweet, sweet endgame play? I really can't tell I don't really bank on these kinda things tbh. Just because i think it's really BS, as you can't actually know what mafia thinks at certain point of the game, to use something some scum said against another player as there is no way for them to defend against it. | ||
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marvellosity
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote: Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse." "if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" | ||
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marvellosity
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote: he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? | ||
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marvellosity
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yes, you're actually right. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as: - He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia - ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!? | ||
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marvellosity
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kinda ironic also, because the reason I pushed for ritoky d2 is that he didn't vote for jat when he should have. | ||
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