EPT1. was pretty much mod-confirmed town
2. was a PR
3. had amazing reads all game
it's kinda strange tbh
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Blazinghand
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1. was pretty much mod-confirmed town 2. was a PR 3. had amazing reads all game it's kinda strange tbh | ||
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On February 25 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote: If town is moronic enough to lynch off setup speculations, that's their problem. Not mine. Yeah honestly I managed to figure out that 2x JK was viable without the hint, and although I joked about being "high level" in the game, it's not that hard. As a general rule, the DEFAULT is that it's possible to have 2x of a role so Eden's "counter-claim" wasn't really a counter claim. It's unlikely, but there's no reason it can't be true. On February 25 2015 20:29 Superbia wrote: They both got the exact same role names. I don't know, maybe town needed a hard wake up call in this regard. But then we'd have townies bringing heat to Sent in post-game. Honestly if Sent said nothing I would have zero complaints. I also have zero complaints since Sent modconfirmed me, made my game very easy. On February 25 2015 20:33 LightningStrike wrote: Also rsoultin that pm really threew me off and I should of just pmed the mods in the first place >.< haha i knew you were conftown as soon as you made that post, you definitely should have just pmed mods or ignored it dude On February 25 2015 20:34 Superbia wrote: The problem for me was that BH's claim came out of nowhere. I'm not sure why town was so eager to jump on a wagon though. In retrospect and in light of Palmar and your arguments respectively, I think it may have been better to have town just suicide in order to learn. I'd like to imagine I would disassemble the wagons regardless of the mod post. I did not really believe either of the claims were mafia coming into the thread. Maybe too much fantasy, though. :D My claim was 100% legit | ||
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On February 25 2015 20:48 LightningStrike wrote: So how good was my case on prplhz? prplhz was scum and he got lynched, doesn't that tell you enough? | ||
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On February 25 2015 20:51 LightningStrike wrote: Without Slam's claim it would be impossible since everyone thought I was Mafia or SK. I never thought you were scum even for a moment, I would have defended you | ||
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Blazinghand
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Yeah I will note that the rayn lynch was quite a snafu. Sorry I wasn't with it enough to save you rayn. In a way it's your fault for faking anger as a townie, people can pick up on fake emotions and it made them thenk you're scum. I obviously was trying to point out you could fake emotions as town but I had trolled too much earlier and people weren't listening to me. It's my bad. | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am fucking mad for getting lynched for having almost perfect reads for like sixth time in my life. and you fuckfaces never learn. dude, like I was not going to lynch you but then you claime cop with a red check on me and I definitely knew that was false. Like, admittedly, as I said in the thread (link), there is no such thing as an anti town VT and we fucked up by lynching you. But... look dude. Imagine you're in a situation where all you have to do is say some magic words and you won't get lynched, like "I like aardvarks". Now, saying that doesn't prove anything, but it makes people think you're town. Why WOULDN'T you say "I like aardvarks" as town? And if you didn't say it, and people lynched you for not saying it, yeah they're stupid to lynch you for that, but aren't you just a little bit stupid for not saying the phrase? Now replace "I like aardvarks" with "not making a bunch of angry posts" | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:08 IAmRobik wrote: He claimed a red check on palmar, not you ahahahha I'm so bad lol seriously though rayn. when you're dealing with idiots you gotta be able to speak their language, you know? | ||
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Blazinghand
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Like, what I'm trying to say is, you got lynched. And you're mad at people for lynching you for what you perceive as bad reasons, especially since your reads were basically 100% solid. The thing is, it is at least a tiny bit your fault for getting lynched, even if people have shit reasons. On August 18 2011 19:43 Palmar wrote: Mig got it. I don't know what you're saying GM, I'm not even sure which part you're disagreeing with. I'm not saying there is no such thing as bad logic, what I'm saying is that if town is accepting bad logic over good logic, it's your responsibility to use bad logic so you can push your ideas. I don't think your comparison to starcraft is fair, because starcraft has measurable statistics that can blatantly be improved upon. In mafia there really is no such thing as definite bad play and good play. My point is that the problem is the people who get themselves lynched. Let's create an example: + Show Spoiler + You're in a game with 7 players, two of them are mafia. It's day 1, and town lynches some vocal but controversial player (Palmar) who flipped, quite predictably to GMarshal the town hero, town. The lynch was mostly based on the fact that one of the townies (Jackal) suggested that Palmar may have been trying to hard to be pro-town, and must therefore be scum, so one of the mafia (Sandroba) and the rest of town (Curu and Deconduo) quietly agreed with the lynch based on Jackal's logic. Sandroba pushes the idea a bit to help secure Deconduo's vote. GMarshal had meanwhile nailed the one mafia (sandroba) contradicting himself and being overly cautious given his usual aggressive nature on day one, in addition, it's against Sandroba's usually critical behavior to agree with such an obvious townie lynch as Palmar. GMarshal wrote an analysis on Sandroba, but town mostly ignored him, although Palmar was never going to agree with a lynch on himself and shouted quite heavily for people to read GM's analysis, and cast his vote on Sandroba. In addition, the clever lurking mafia Kenpachi also voted for his scumbuddy Sandroba. So in the end, Palmar gets lynched based on jackal's accusation he was trying too hard to be pro-town, and the votes end as follows: Palmar: 4 Deconduo Curu Jackal Sandroba Sandroba: 3 GMarshal Palmar Kenpachi And Palmar get's lynched. So reading the above example, let's look at what usually people perceive happened in this game, and what really needs to be looked at, here is what I think is both an incorrect, and a correct analysis of day 1, and who is to blame. + Show Spoiler + So, in this situation it's typical for Palmar to call the town terrible for not listening to logic and lynching Sandroba. GMarshal who will obviously get shot during the night is just going to rage a bit about people for not picking up on his logic. In addition, when Kenpachi cleverly instantly buses Sandroba on day 2 for massive town cred, and a guaranteed victory in lylo, GMarshal is going to feel really justified when Sandroba lynches scum. "Only if you had listened to me on day 1" And the worst part, the player more responsible than anyone else for the town losing, Palmar, is going to come back in the postgame and call Jackal an idiot for pushing the lynch on him. Jackal will of course be hanged on day 3, after mafia kills deconduo, and Kenpachi and Curu are the last 2 standing, resulting in a mafia victory. Very often this will result in Palmar and GMarshal somehow feeling they played okay, but the town was just bad so they lost beacuse of that. This is wrong Both are terrible, and need to shut up and look at their own play. GMarshal looked pro-town on day 1, no one talked about lynching him, and he instantly nailed mafia with a good analysis. GMarshal played terribly. I don't give a fuck what you know if you can't convince town to follow your logic. If what it takes was using some retarded logic like Jackal's "Palmar is trying too hard to be pro-town", to get the lynch, that's what GMarshal should have done. Now, I'm not saying Curu's, Jackal's and Deconduo's play is excusable, because they're also bad for not seeing that GMarshal was pushing a correct analysis. But there seems to be this thing around here where we focus way too much on blaming the people who make the incorrect decisions, and far too little blame on people who make the right decisions, but cannot push them. Everyone played terribly on day 1. And the worst fucker of them all? Palmar. Palmar is ridiculously bad this game. He allowed himself to get lynched by another townie on shitty reasoning. Thing is, after the game, Palmar won't recognize this, he'll be mad at the "bad town" who lynched him with such "obvious scum" alternative. But the truth of the matter, Palmar just failed at making people realize he's town. I don't give a shit how stupid the reasons where, if that's what it takes, Palmar should've made up some terrible reasons to clear himself. If you get lynched, it's your own fault. Notice that I'm not trying to reduce the blame on the town heroes who lynched an obvious town on bad logic on day 1. I'm just pointing out that peopel who were right like GMarshal, are equally much to blame for being unable to push their ideas, and the person who gets lynched is the most to blame. | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I used to care about getting lynched but not any more. I get lynched for two reasons as town: (1) I have reads that are too good and the town is too shit (2) i lynch myself true story. you're a valuable and capable player, rayn. I am disappointed that you don't feel a need to not get lynched. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 26 2015 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: that's on you. mainly on you in this game. i can get people playing bad because i play bad from time to time. i don't get people intentionally trying to destroy the town like you did in this game for no reason. why the fuck should i care when noone else cares? i put the max effort to this game when i was able to and i got posts like "you are going to get lynched, no matter what you say" -- from YOU. so maybe you should think about how you play this game instead of how i do and why i do feel what i do... Oh, I admit that I fucked up this game, but it wasn't intentional. Like, I'm still not sure what I should do in future games to tell VA as town from VA as scum. You can say what you want about meta, but when a guy's meta is to literally not post, what are you to do? I also had some good reads, like townreading Eden (Rather than scumreading Eden when I had every motivation to scumread Eden) and townreading slam. I screwed up by giving Palmar too much time, and screwed up by pushing on LS, though at least I didn't bury him. I had bad reads, yeah, but hey, that's life. I'll try to do better. You had bad defense, but you won't try to do better, and that's your call buddy. That's entirely your call. Just don't expect sympathy from me. And you were going to get lynched, no matter what you said. It was the truth, and I wasn't afraid to say it. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 26 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: My defense was perfect. I told everyone who mafia was. i mean, clearly it was not perfect, right? Like, claiming your ability to dodge knives is "perfect" right after you get stabbed isn't really convincing On February 26 2015 05:47 prplhz wrote: I'm pretty sure you're the only one on this forum who thinks you deserve a ban for it. I just think a warning is in order to clarify the rules so it doesn't happen again (not necessarily with you, with anybody). I agree with prplhz on this. | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:46 marvellosity wrote: also as one of the hosts I see no reason to ask for a warning for either rsoultin or LS. rsoultin realised her mistake as soon as she sent the PM, so she won't do it again and a warning achieves nothing. LS is just a victim of straightforward honesty and naivety, and I explained how to deal with these situations in the future so now he knows, so again a warning achieves nothing. eh yeah works for me. just make sure LS knows not to do it again, there was nothing maliicious | ||
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Blazinghand
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in any case the right move would probably have been to modkill lightningstrike since he was conftown after discussing being PMed by scum | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote: I had literally written out the message explaining why I was going to modkill him. then I was a softie and deleted it, mainly because I knew the game was coming to an inevitable conclusion pretty soon. yeah I mean I'm not sure it would have changed things, but it's sort of my instinctual reaction. The "problem" of LS being confirmed by reporting the PM goes away if he's dead | ||
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On February 26 2015 18:06 Eden1892 wrote: tbh it would have been borderline bastard to leave no indication (for those who didn't know the flavor - shoutout to those who did, good work) that there could be multiple copies of the same named role in a game there was no good decision to be made once it happened IMO I disagree. By default there can be more than one of the same role. I was able to figure this out. The fact that others couldn't without host intervention is unfortunate but not indicative that failing to talk about the fluff is bastardy | ||
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