[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia

Currently the deadline is :59, but that is subject to change.

Also, a reminder that posting after deadline but before the flip is strictly forbidden and will result in an instant modkill. Up until :00 is acceptable, :01 is not.

On March 03 2015 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:

I've been signed up for a month and don't even understand the concept!

On March 03 2015 08:06 Half the Sky wrote:


This is quite interesting. We either have a scum player not happy at his alignment or a townie that is just bored of being town...

On March 03 2015 08:19 your mom wrote:


This looks like you're just making a read up under pressure to deliver, expect me to be particularly suspicious of you cause of that inconclusive post.

Do you really think that post alone was enough to get a townread on FF? Smells like TMI.

On March 03 2015 08:00 geript wrote:
Also, I'm not listening to a damn thing that Koshi or Rayn say because they're fucking terrible and never listen to me ever.

On March 03 2015 08:26 geript wrote:
And who made the meta case on somebody that got completely dismissed? Bullshit Rayn. I didn't play great but it wasn't bad. Even you said I was never fucking mafia there. GTFO with that shit.

On March 03 2015 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
rayn does not tend to be salty in pm-land at all

On March 03 2015 08:37 geript wrote:

And... I tunnel town all the time. All the ticking time Rayn and you know that. It's my peripheral reads that are good. Like take southern??? I was tunneled on some random shit but wanted to lynch the fuck out of shining. Shining was mafia. Or student V? Where I was tunneled on OWS but wanted to lynch Slam. Or where I tunneled Kurumi but who did I call you back to tell you specifically that on meta they were 100% mafia. Hunh Rayn? Hunh?

On March 03 2015 08:38 Toadesstern wrote:

we had beef going on during a game, no beef in pms.

On March 03 2015 08:43 geript wrote:

I want to shoot HtS and Onegu. Is that clear. Onegu isn't happy or carefree. He's also ignoring a bunch of shit. He's clearly mafia.

On March 03 2015 08:44 Toadesstern wrote:

like I said, we had a huge shitstorm inthread 2 years ago and none whatsoever when we were pm'ing. That as well as my talks with Marv while we were both mafia in the invite game makes me believe that that isn't just an ingame / outgame thing about you but something you have in general when facing a lot of people or being one on one with someone.

(1) This is a nitpick statement (in line with this first post) that makes no attempt to harness information from Tubesock.
(2) AT.Epiphany makes no attempt to call TS town or scum (yet calls out TS for not venturing a self-justified read)

On March 03 2015 17:25 geript wrote:

I never actually read his bits of pushes. So you're really wrong there.

On March 03 2015 17:28 AT.Epiphany wrote:
The problem is ALL you're talking about is who needs to die, not how that decision gets made, and the latter is very relevant in this lynch set-up.

On March 03 2015 17:32 AT.Epiphany wrote:


What was decided by the way?

On March 03 2015 17:50 Mocsta wrote:
Thoughts on OWS please.

(2) If you did find Slam + Koshi town. it would be natural to assume people attacking them are not.

On March 03 2015 18:30 your mom wrote:


all i remember is you calling hts mafia after me and after FF and OWS called her inconclusive post out, then you called me mafia after OWS called me out, at that point you weren't giving reasons, just quoting and calling people mafia based on what looked like thread sentiment, or the sentiment of the people posting at the time.

...giving himself a lot of other options without pushing anyone in particular.

On March 03 2015 18:43 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I was more alluding hes either faking dubm (a la BH) or is the typical fallacious status quo.
I judged a lot of the interactions as philosophical warring and treat him as #2 (fallacious) currently.
Thus, my current expectation for him is to act in the way you deem unfit for perfect play.

On March 03 2015 19:03 AT.Epiphany wrote:


I agree with what you write, though I don't really have any conclusion coming out of it.

I don't think that disagreeing with me about somebody being town makes them suspicious in my eyes.

By the way, I didn't even see that as a "narrative he invented for me", but simply as what was natural to his thought process, I might have disagreed with him about it on another day, but I've had enough hostility on me without quibbling with him about what approach is natural.

He posted that under 'basis' so I took that to be his thought process about whom he tends to suspect rather than him creating a narrative for me.

On March 03 2015 19:06 your mom wrote:


in my own time i will post a read on them, i have work to do now and have to go in one hour

On March 03 2015 19:25 your mom wrote:
im just f5ing the front page occasionally at the moment. not gonna give out forced reads cause you want me to.
.

On March 03 2015 19:31 your mom wrote:


did you explain the read on me and hts? and how do you define my read on you as forced, it would be forced if i didnt give it out on my own, but i did.

On March 03 2015 19:55 your mom wrote:
those aren't reasons for my read being forced, it's just your defense.

I think a good strat is to guard it until / if town is in a losing spot then press it if it gets to that point.

On March 03 2015 20:36 batsnacks wrote:


If I got shot mafia obviously. But I don't think I got shot unless someone spelled my name wrong.

On March 03 2015 20:36 AT.Epiphany wrote:



I was just about to post, I do think sandrobras may be scum, but he is theoretically right here. I sense no one's going to listen to me about the damn device, so I'll shut up about it after this post, but if you just think about it, if you have a chance to insert a totally random unknown effect into any game, it stands to reason that whenever you're losing anyway is a good time to do it.

By the way, really not pushing the device discussion, but why does that comment make him scummy?

Also, the reason I think he may be scum is first of all a low content, but more interestingly that when discussing the "shoot as lynch" policy, he was incredibly unwilling to commit and basically flip-flopped around saying we can do this, or we can do that while leaving his phraseology so ambiguous that it could be interpreted as either.

On March 03 2015 20:45 Breshke wrote:
Town doesn't know what the button does neither does mafia.

On March 03 2015 20:45 Breshke wrote:
rayn I don't agree that sandroba wanting to push the button is scummy.

I think all this button stuff is null.

Town doesn't know what the button does neither does mafia. I don't see a way we can "work out" what the device does so we either push is now when any damage it can do to town might not be as strong. Or we press it when we are in a really bad position (this is iffy because it would still probably be better to try lynch our way out if we can rather than leave it to some device.)

I think if it is going to be pressed then these are the two times that it is done and i don't think anyone suggesting otherwise is scummy in itself unless they are doing so to not talk about reads or w/e.

On March 03 2015 20:55 Breshke wrote:


I never considered that mafia would know what the device does tbh

And the stuff in brackets I realized as i was typing it and that's the part that contradicts the first part.

Still IF sandroba is town I think her logic makes sense if town is in a bad position that they for some reason don't want to lynch out of pushing the button is an option.

For her to say that as mafia we she would know it is a bad thing else why press it when town is about to lose? In which case why would you want to press it now?

On March 03 2015 21:31 Breshke wrote:


Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. Could be biased here because of that though.

I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now.

On March 03 2015 21:56 Breshke wrote:


Yeah reading his filter I didn't see that so it is probably more scummy yeah



I didn't like that you left the thread without explaining your reads. Obviously if you thought it was important enough to say those people were mafia it should have been important enough to say why, Are you asking if i think YOU would do that or if anyone would do that?

You personally I have no idea. My favorite game ive played of this you were a baller replacement so i naturally have high expectations of you. Like i don't even really see how that is keeping your options open because you have stated a clear scumread for a number of people so if you randomly start town reading them people would be suspicious.

Anyway it is getting late I'm going to head off so I'm up for what is realistically going to be the deadline tomorrow

On March 03 2015 23:47 Toadesstern wrote:

see what I mean with there's some things that I really agree with and some things I just don't like your read on Sandro?

This one is part of the "I really agree with it" group. Those were EXACTLY my thoughts as well

On March 04 2015 00:37 Half the Sky wrote:
I looked through YM's filter, being a smurf, obviously I cannot tell if the guy should be familiar with your play.

After playing with you in Titanic, if i recall right though, I don't like his interpretation of you keeping your reads open. It could be townie but inaccurate if this were a newer player but I'm highly doubting it. From what I recall your town game in Titanic, you did hand out a number of different reads based on your observations so I definitely don't think "you're keeping your options open" as scum. From what I recall of you, you aren't the big casemaker type when you give your reads, you only gave one in Titanic when you were effectively forced to.

Also the funny thing with YM is with his read on me is that he's clinging onto that opening without really paying attention to the rest of my content like others have. People asked me to give a read since I just spoke what was on my mind and this isnt' the first time that I'll say something and not necessarily post a conclusion in the same post as town. So where he's getting fabricated also looks like a stretch on his end.

On March 04 2015 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I had learned my lesson to not blind sheep Damdred after Titanic when he was Mafia with the way he made a good case on someone. terrible case on me .

On March 04 2015 01:22 geript wrote:
I'm more wait and see on Damdred.

@Rayn. Think about the sprirts. And think about Ssndroba. That's all I'm going to say.
Koshi is dead to me.
Kita. Idk. I just idk. There was one point he made that I really liked but I forgot it. Idk. Hard to focus.

On March 04 2015 01:31 Half the Sky wrote:


I guessed JAT earlier, but I could be wrong on that.

On March 04 2015 01:33 LightningStrike wrote:

Who you think he is then?

On March 04 2015 01:43 kitaman27 wrote:
Still haven't read much of koshi since he seems a bit emo this game so I'm not sure if the second part of your argument has merit, but I'll like a look when I have a chance.

On March 04 2015 02:03 kitaman27 wrote:


I've read your explanation about why koshi should be 100% town to your mom a couple times, but I don't fully understand why you're saying he should be so confident about this.

mafia hts + mafia koshi implying mafia isn't doing anything doesn't seem like enough to make koshi confirmed town from his perspective.

I suppose you can make the pre-flip association analysis for why mafia rayn and mafia koshi doesn't make sense from his perspective, but him not mentioning koshi in less than a page filter in a game with 25 of players doesn't seem completely out of the question like you suggest.

Is there more that I'm missing that makes you go from your mom being suspicious to your mom being 100% scum?

On March 03 2015 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Me explaining or not explaining my read on you or hts is irrelevant. Mainly because i don't give any fucks about explaining my read on hts as i don't read her scum any more. I don't want either of you shot, i want Koshi shot. Therefore i don't talk about things i don't want to talk about.

Your read is forced because of several reasons:
1) you take a small portion of my posts and make a conclusion the rest of my filter contradicts with
2) you claim you know me well, then you should know i explain my reads when i want to and me calling people mafia without explaining it straight away is never going to be a scumtell for me, in fact it is a towntell because (as you know -- as you know me well as you state) a big portion of my play relies on making comments that are intended to make people think and one of the best ways for me to gather reads is to make those statements and see which people actually agree/disagree with me and what their reasons are. Like it's literally the best way for me to gather reads -- especially townreads -- and that is a known fact for anyone who has ever played a game where i have been town in. Yet somehow you don't seem to know that, despite "knowing me so well".
3) you are still trying to argue in favor of your read and everything you bring up is either irrelevant or i have already proved it wrong.

On March 03 2015 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am making this very simple.
post 1 rayn: "here are some people i think are mafia, X, Y, Z and W."
post 2 rayn: "X is definitely mafia we should kill him"
post 3 your mom: "rayn is mafia because he leaves a door open for having many suspects"

clearly my post #2 here proves your case is wrong. It LITERALLY does so. Now if you had made your case before i made my post #2 your case could be valid. But this is not the case here. The case here is you are ignoring the rest of my posting. It means that you are:
1) misconstruing something i said to look like it's something i didn't in fact do (as i have proven since)
2) not reading the thread properly, not thinking about why i say the stuff i do, and making a half-arsed case onto something that could be seen as inherently scummy

both of those are scum traits.

On March 03 2015 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i wanna press the device to see what happens, now when if it's a bad thing it doesn't fucking kill us outright.
sandroba suggesting this:

is scummyscummyscum.....

The only correct way to do this is either figure out what pressing the device does NOW, or destroy it immediately.

On March 04 2015 02:16 Toadesstern wrote:


I don't think he has to be that certain on either of the reads for you to put it as drastically as you did. I have reads that don't match up all the time and I'll still discuss them, mostly stating something along the lines of "so that's what I think, but here's the thing: Those two being mafia together makes no sense whatsoever so I'm wrong on one of those two but no idea which one yet" afterwards
(and people lynch me because that's apparently waffling)

On March 04 2015 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case people are too lazy or mafia. Now there is no way you can ignore this.

On March 04 2015 02:32 Toadesstern wrote:

that's because I'm smarter than him

Don't get me wrong, I could get behind a your mom shot I just don't like people exagerating their reads and saying they're 100% certain on something. That's a lie, in 99% of the cases. Most times it's something townish because people want to look confident to get people on their side rather than being wishy-washy but I don't like it nontheless.

Look at it from my point of view, my last game I played was a game that HTS and I were both about confirmed town 24 hours in (72 hours), Palmar stopped playing and spammed away "lynch Toad, I am 100% certain he is mafia" and nothing else. In the end people gave in, mostly out of annoyance as well as an unfortunate timeschedule on my part because Dungeons&Dragons on the day the lynch happened so people were annoyed about me not posting. And I flipped town obviously.

And that's what I'm saying here. I don't think the chances are anywhere close to being 100% for it to be that way even if it sounds cool to say so. And as I'm saying that towards you the same could be said for him, he could be overselling his confidence while leaking out his true uncertainty about it when he's not paying attention. Still makes him look bad, just not 100% bad.

he could be overselling his confidence while leaking out his true uncertainty about it when he's not paying attention.

On March 04 2015 02:44 geript wrote:
Rayn. I'm going to be honest. I don't really get your your mom read. I think I'd rather shoot Koshi. Idk. I real hard time think right now. Not sure if I will shoot.

On March 04 2015 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP i misquoted the last post.
corrected:

On March 04 2015 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is why your mom is mafia.

His case on me. Read the conversation between us. Not only did i effectively debunk every single piece of his argument with actual reasoning i showed why his case is 100% a forced case that takes things out of context and/or does only account the things that pushes his agenda. Fuck i am really bad at finding the correct words and i am sorry for it but just read the argument between me and him. He literally made a case based on a couple of posts that are (1) towntells for me based on meta and (2) he ignored the rest of my filter which speaks directly against his case.

His case on HtS. Same thing here as above. HtS was asked to give a read on someone. She did, yet your mom somehow turns this into "you fabricated a read because you needed to give one". It is at least as likely that HtS gave the read as town because SHE WAS ASKED TO!! She answered a question "what do you think my alignment is". Why is it impossible this is the case here? That -- for a vet player -- should be at worst a null-tell.

Now those are his only scumreads in this game. Both are fake. So very fucking fake and badly reasoned.

On top of that he refuses to talk about Koshi at all.There is absolutely zero references to Koshi in his filter. Why is this scummy? Because Koshi should be 100% town for this guy. First of all there is no fucking way both Koshi and HtS are mafia in this game because that would mean mafia is not pushing anything, which is a no-go (note this was before the Breshke thing went up). Second, he scumreads we, and i was pushing a Koshi shot at that time. There is no way both of me and Koshi are mafia, so if he scumreads me as strongly as he implies to that should mean he 100% thinks Koshi is town.

Yet he makes no attempt to defend Koshi. Townies do not wanna shoot townies. Especially in this case every smart player defends all of their townreads whenever someone puts them up for being shot. Why? Because it gives mafia options. Read the next sentence carefully: If we have like 8 (or even 6) shot targets at the 24h mark, do you think there is any chance we are going to catch mafia in case mafia gets the shot? Right.

Yet your mom cannot even say "Koshi is town, because i think you are mafia, and HtS is mafia, neither of you is mafia with Koshi. Don't fucking shoot Koshi". That would be the natural thing to say as town, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO TELL THE OTHER TOWNIES NOT TO SHOOT TOWN!

Now i don't know if this is because he doesn't want to look bad if Koshi flips mafia, or if he actually wants Koshi shot and not tell people to shoot him as Koshi is a good player as town. But it doesn't matter, Koshi can be dealt with later on.

your mom is mafia and should be killed with a bullet asap!!!

On March 04 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:

I'm not even sure I know what his case is he did on you. I think you're referring to that post when he quoted me and took a jab at you for not explaining all your reads except for one?

Just asking to be sure before going into more detail.

On March 03 2015 18:18 your mom wrote:


im quite jealous that you attribute hts being called out to rayn, cause he was the fourth in a series of three in which i think i was the first to point out the scummy posting. rayn basically just called her mafia without a given reason and then proceeded to do so with a lot of other people including me, diluting his committment to a mafia hts and giving himself a lot of other options without pushing anyone in particular.

On March 04 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote:
Okay I'll TLDR it for you then

- Rayn read shit cause meta points bad; didn't put it in context of filter
- HTS read shit cause scumming NAI post; didn't reevaluate/put it in context of rest of filter
- Should be townreading koshi if scumreading you and HTS

is that more or else it?

On March 04 2015 02:55 rsoultin wrote:
Cause I didn't like his reads, either, but I'm not sure how this makes him scum? Couldn't he just be bad? There are a lot of bad players (myself included depending on the game).

On March 04 2015 02:58 geript wrote:
How is 1 different from epiphany though.

On March 04 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:


rayn, talk to me about this post and how it fits in your narrative, pls

On March 04 2015 03:13 rsoultin wrote:


I guess for me, and maybe this is just cause I'm looking at things too simply, if you're scum pushing a town (shot/lynch/whatever) that has some traction, why go out of your way to claim responsibility for it?

His stubbornness and reads are bad, but if I'm scum I'll just let others take the heat on the push I started. Maybe that's what makes me bad at scum though lol -flicks geript-

On March 04 2015 03:18 geript wrote:
I get what rso is saying. He's like trying to take credit for HtS. Which is weird if HtS is town and mom is scum.

On March 04 2015 03:21 IAmRobik wrote:

Nah...planning on shooting kurumi

On March 04 2015 03:23 IAmRobik wrote:

wrong

On March 04 2015 03:25 IAmRobik wrote:

Remember how HtS or I were 10000000% mafia? :fp:

On March 04 2015 03:29 LightningStrike wrote:

Okay fair enough.
##Vote: Your Mom

On March 04 2015 03:30 IAmRobik wrote:

She wasn't being dumb as fuck. Being wrong isn't being dumb. And I was defending you. The alcohol is killing your brain cells bro

On March 04 2015 03:30 Tubesock wrote:
So, you guys would rather not have any tracking of who people want to shoot? So, at the deadline then some random is just going to pull the trigger on another random?

On March 04 2015 03:37 IAmRobik wrote:

who geript wants to shoot DOES NOT MATTER. I will be shooting because I'm the only nerd who will be sitting here with a copy-paste of the shoot command and will be spamming it as soon as it approaches the shoot time.

On March 04 2015 03:39 geript wrote:
Also. I think town spirit should push hard for cell mafia. If possible.

On March 04 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote:
Seriously, epiphany just said:

I don't want to shoot koshi for...no reason
YM works cause sheeping rayn
long useless rant on why whoever is shooting should have good reasons for shooting who they are going to shoot
then peaces out

meeeeeeh post and if koshi is town lynch this guy

On March 04 2015 03:37 your mom wrote:
moving rayn to the townpile cause of his later posts, some lengthy ones in particular i dont think he would have made as scum. but its not a read i will apply to the entire game without looking back. thats just me being me.

On March 03 2015 08:19 your mom wrote:


This looks like you're just making a read up under pressure to deliver, expect me to be particularly suspicious of you cause of that inconclusive post.

Do you really think that post alone was enough to get a townread on FF? Smells like TMI.

On March 04 2015 04:08 geript wrote:
Except that's not how to VE seen Kita play mafia at all. He'll be a low volume poster but steer lynches despite it. Like really strongly. I don't really see that here.

On March 04 2015 04:11 your mom wrote:
and into the drunk pile

On March 04 2015 04:14 geript wrote:

Yah Rayn, but just fucking trust me on the goddamn fucking read. Like you know how god tier my townreads usually are. Look at The Game if you want. But it feels exceptionally different. I'd deeply meta it if I real needed to convince you. But I shouldn't have to.

On March 04 2015 04:39 geript wrote:
I'm actually really feeling an Onegu shot is the best strategically.

On March 04 2015 04:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Keirathi and Kurumi, I have not played with either as much - does anyone know if they are low-count posters or not?

On March 04 2015 04:44 your mom wrote:


didnt see keirathis posts yet, but i dont see a town kurumi yet. he tends to be shot fairly early as town and to hide behind troll plays as scum, still saw only the latter.

On March 04 2015 04:47 Tubesock wrote:
Why is Keirathi town? How can you town him but scum koshi for doing the same thing? I don't understand.

On March 04 2015 04:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Kurumi isn't doing jack all with the one read post either, Tube. He wouldn't be a bad shot, unless someone can vouch for his play.

Rayn, why are you saying Kurumi (probably) is town? This is the only post that isn't full out troll and he could be pulling names from anywhere. Doesn't say anything with his reads.

On March 04 2015 05:04 Half the Sky wrote:


Alright so if I understand you right, he has god tier reads, but how do you differentiate between that and a scummer having perfect information or a scummer sheeping reads? I mean if you have a god tier read on him fine, but for someone like me who doesn't know him very well, what should I be looking for?

On March 04 2015 23:37 kitaman27 wrote:


rayn is this still your list?

On March 04 2015 07:59 LightningStrike wrote:

All I know I got Town that's all.

On March 05 2015 02:37 Half the Sky wrote:


He does this in every single game he plays as town.

On March 05 2015 02:39 geript wrote:

I know what you're thinking. Here's my question to you, "Why is that obviously a bad awful read that you shouldn't ever be using this game?

On March 05 2015 02:45 geript wrote:
Rayn I'm going to be honest. I don't care about your stupid reads. That's a bad read and you should know it. You should know exactly why that's a really, really terrible read. Why are you pushing this?

Other people have already pointed out well enough why raynpelikoneet's case on him does not really hold up when you apply actual standards and logic to it

For the record, I'm not in favor of shooting Your Mom, while shooting Koshi is acceptable in my book, but I'm not crazy about it either.

On March 05 2015 02:58 Toadesstern wrote:
rayn, anything you disagree with or want to add? I honestly don't really care all that much about mafia reads right now and am trying to go by PoE seeing as that your mom thing totally did not work out yesterday and we just have a crapton of people that are just nulls for me. Feel like we should focus on those guys atm, so:



left out the other green tone for obvious reasons right now.

On March 03 2015 22:51 Koshi wrote:

Here is a ninja. To the other ninja:
Kill mafia first and then kill this guy.
Thank you.

On March 05 2015 04:07 AT.Epiphany wrote:
@ Rayn: You were questioning Mocsta hard at one point, and now he's green on your filter, what's the reasoning for the change?

On March 05 2015 01:02 Mocsta wrote:

fuck u guys

contemplating a modkill.
will make a decision in the morning.

night.

On March 05 2015 04:09 IAmRobik wrote:

he was pushing koshi who got modkilled

On March 05 2015 04:14 Toadesstern wrote:

nah, he was pushing koshi really hard I think?

On March 05 2015 04:21 Toadesstern wrote:
Koshi, geript, mocsta and robik are always angry. Noone knows why. It's like a force of nature. It's just there.

On March 05 2015 04:33 AT.Epiphany wrote:


Primarily because of the tone of the interaction with Mocsta tunnelling Breshke and the latter reacting to Mocsta as a threat. There doesn't seem to be even a bit of pause where either of them is considering the other to be on the same side, and that's usually not how I'd expect it in town vs town. What's more this wasn't really heated or personal either, and it doesn't look like an ego-clash the way people have interpreted Geript vs me (to clarify I still stick with my initial opinion of that, but there's no point going over that at the moment and ruining a constructive atmosphere)

On March 05 2015 04:42 geript wrote:

Me? I go nuts? Really Rayn? Labour anyone and everyone making a case or point on me? Bullshit. Bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit. I go nuts when people who should know how to read me don't. Eat lead.

On March 05 2015 04:45 kitaman27 wrote:


Sometimes?

On March 05 2015 04:47 geript wrote:

Bullshit. I was universally townread D1. I also had good targets to shoot. Now I've added another. If I were mafia, I wouldn't tell a soul about it. I also wouldn't try to get thoughts on people I was planning to shoot. It'd 100% be extra scum kp. Hell I'd probably hold onto it for a day or two. Maybe the mafia spirit gave it to me. Maybe but I really doubt that. I've played really tucking well this game so I can't see being given KP.

On March 05 2015 04:50 IAmRobik wrote:
kita, this is the most useless fucking line of questioning i've ever fucking seen.

On March 05 2015 04:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


He was trying to shoot Koshi and Koshi modkilled himself.

On March 04 2015 02:44 geript wrote:
Rayn. I'm going to be honest. I don't really get your your mom read. I think I'd rather shoot Koshi. Idk. I real hard time think right now. Not sure if I will shoot.

On March 04 2015 03:03 geript wrote:
My whole meta.
The fact that I'm trying to find good target.
What I tried to do with approved shooters

I find mom a bit interesting so far bc he seemingly forget my push on HtS.

On March 04 2015 03:16 geript wrote:
There's actually a really good person to shoot who just posted.

On March 04 2015 04:20 geript wrote:

My order:
Koshi--Bitch plz
Onegu--I'm actually really glad you brought him up. I had kinda forgotten about him. That's actually quite telling.
Sandroba--I think there's better ways of finding his alignment but probably not a bad shot
Your Mom--Maybe rayn is right. Maybe rayn is crazy.

Those are the only people I really agree with. Robik is kinda tbd but his townlist is pretty solid for the most part I think. Slam's town. I remember thinking Damdred was town.

On March 04 2015 04:39 geript wrote:
I'm actually really feeling an Onegu shot is the best strategically.

On March 04 2015 05:42 geript wrote:
I'm trying to decide if I should shoot Koshi over Onegu. Like Koshi's fucking terrible after D1 and, if he's town, has sand up his vag and is doing nothing now. I think Onegu is a much better shot, but a Koshi shot would be much more gratifying.

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now again, why does geript not shoot Onegu at the 24h mark?
Literally the last post is "Onegu is a better shot" -> Koshi get's modkilled -> geript goes "oh noes i have no fuckig clue who to shoot"...

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH1

On March 05 2015 05:01 geript wrote:
Because if I read 1 guy who was lower activity, less happy and less content than normal wrong what makes me sure that I'm not wrong about Onegu too. Especially when he had a post that was really towny of him.

On March 05 2015 05:03 geript wrote:

This one. It's one I had forgotten about but he still was way less active, jokey and posty than normal.

On March 05 2015 05:07 IAmRobik wrote:
90% chance geript is vt trying to take a bullet -.-

On March 05 2015 05:11 geript wrote:

Nope I'm not. Around noonish my time I spend time filtering Onegu and looking at his past games to see if I missed something. And I looked at Koshi from the last few. And I was trying to figure out if I was right, who I was right on or if I was just being a dumbass jerk like I was with DP in that N0 game. When I had decided to shoot Koshi he had kinda come back and I was slowly realizing that I was wrong and he got himself modkilled. Like it didn't even sink in at first.

On March 05 2015 05:14 geript wrote:

Because I don't think he's town. And yes. It's quite easy to forget about a random joke post in this game. Especially early on when I was still fucking salty about getting mislynched in like 3 different games in a row and almost in a fourth. Like it's the fucking cool thing to do to townread me on D1 then mislynch me because you think there's some random crazy fucking way I could actually be mafia.

On March 05 2015 05:21 Toadesstern wrote:
can we please just stop this all

On March 05 2015 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:
rayn could I get a couple of sentences explaining your town read on rob?

On March 05 2015 05:28 geript wrote:

You mean like a massive dick enough to try and use PM's to determine someone's alignment. Because that dick would be you. What's really funny about it is that you did it in Artanis' game. Because you and everyone else knows that Artanis always tells mafia what the VT role pm is. Like that's a massive dick play on top of being a really fucking stupid play. That's what up.

On March 05 2015 05:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
lol?

Mediocre shuriken, imo. Rsoul was obvious town.

On March 05 2015 05:49 geript wrote:

No Rayn, what I'm pissed about it is that you're using it. For a long time we were both staunchly against using any sort of that shit. Like there's a line between cheating and good play. For me that crosses the line. I think he's town and I don't need that read which btw is extra stupid because Artanis tells the mafia team about role pms. It's a matter of standards. And when I knew you and you were town, you would try to never stoop to that shit. Ever. You even got really pissed about shit like that being in the thread because it ruins the integrity of the game. I have not now or ever intentionally cheated. There was even a game recently where I had that exact thought that someone was mafia because of how they claimed to me. I specifically didn't use it and relied on other things to read that person because it was both against the rules of the game and unethical. I don't cheat. Period. I thought you didn't either. That's what really pisses me off here. That's what really got my goat when I accidently pm'd Marv essentially telling him I was town. Not just that it got him removed from the game but also that I didn't even stop to think about how that could affect the game. I didn't think that it tells him that my slot was town. There have been numerous games in Magic where I've called a judge on myself for an illegal deck presentation because I had a sideboard card in during G1 when my opponent never would've know I had the 4th thoughtseize or that mid storm for 20 I somehow drew the Anger of the Gods or Engineered Explosives which I didn't side in the previous match but somehow ended up in the 60 I presented. I called a judge myself last weekend for accidentally scrying 2 off of Drown in Sorrow (it didn't affect teh outcome at all) but that doesn't matter. It's the principle of it. And I'm hurt that you'd even use shit like that because I thought you were one of the other few people here would never do that shit.

On March 05 2015 05:54 geript wrote:

No. I've gotten myself modkilled because I'm a stupid fuck. Never once that I can ever think of have I ever said, hey look. I'm going to get myself modkilled so that people will know I'm town and take the lynch in a different direction. Not once.

On March 05 2015 06:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yo has anyone considered the possibility of tubesock being a ninja?

I think it's entirely possible.

On March 05 2015 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Ain't got much time these days

Update me real quick what has happened

On March 05 2015 06:23 Alakaslam wrote:

Nvm then, lynch me out

On March 05 2015 06:26 Tubesock wrote:
I would never have shot Rsoultn. Like, she was pretty much my only ally who has any credit or standing. Last night we really worked together, shooting her drops my life expectancy don't you think?

On March 05 2015 06:35 Toadesstern wrote:
We should probably treat a duel-day as if it was a shootout but without the entire "shoot at exactly 24:00" thing. Thoughts?
Mafia is probably not too willing to duel people and just leave that to other people hoping for a town vs town 1vs1, right?

So we should probably just have someone really townish duel whoever is the most scummy and effectively kill him that way. I don't want 2 bad looking guys to duel each other if I'm bound to think one of them is town just by virtue of starting a duel but at the same time being bad enugh to have no towncred thus probably picking his opponent randomely.

On March 05 2015 07:48 Damdred wrote:
Rayn is obvious town I think (obviously) rayn talk to me because I really want to change your mind here or at least ping some ideas off of you.