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Rsoultin has been hit by a shuriken.
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Shoot again. Shoot sicklucker. 
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lol?
Mediocre shuriken, imo. Rsoul was obvious town.
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why did you guys tell ninjas to shoot a townie? whoever pointed that out...
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On March 05 2015 05:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
lol?
Mediocre shuriken, imo. Rsoul was obvious town.
NO FUCKING SHIT
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hint to ninjas: outliving the other one doesn't let you win if you both survive because town just lost so early. Stop shooting townies
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I'd protect Rayne if I could 10/10 times and would do it again.
On March 05 2015 03:38 geript wrote:@Kita. Regarding Tube. I had to go back and look at my summary of the Newbie game and his filter. On length it's about what I expect. He's under similar pressure in that game too IIRC. There are a few things that I note that are quite different. First, in the newbie game while his filter isn't great he has some real gems of insight here and there. Things that really show how he's thinking about the game. Not just the "If everyone's scumreading Shining" post but more like: Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 11:17 Tubesock wrote:
Even if you read Rsoultin's legacy concerning Silverarte it's like she doesn't want to insult her by calling her mafia since they are friends. There isn't a single towny word in Rsoultin's paragraph about Silver.
Like it's a really interesting thought. But I'm not really seeing anything like that this game. That's pretty remarkable to me. This was after Rsoultin died N2, so of course I had more opinions than I do during N1 (after a shortened day...)Second, in the newbie game he's reasonably opinionated. Like he makes points on people and interacts a bunch. Like almost all of his posts are to someone. I'm going to try and be specific about this but his posts are to the person in relation to the conversation they are having in the thread at that time. Like there's an intended back and forth. Where as this game it's far more of posting at people. Like he's interested in saying something but not in actually conversing or having that back and forth. I've conversed with you and Rsoultin. More extensively with Rsoultin though. That newbie game was really slow and here a lot of people are talking, and I didn't feel I had anything to add. See my responses to your questions for instance. Third, I remember one of the heuristics used in Boardwalk revolved around who made plans and why. In Boardwalk, there were numerous plans based around picking numbers and what should be drafted where, etc. But I specifically remember someone talking about how mafia were more likely to propose a plan and just let it die. As I recall, I think it ended up getting a mafia lynched; I think it was part of why Gonzaw suspected Artanis. Either way, what I find interesting about his Votecount thing is that he doesn't really push it. He both likes and understands my "people cleared to shoot" list. But unlike, Rayn or me that game there was no constant revision in order to generate a better plan. There wasn't really any pushing for finding the best plan. It's more of a "I'm doing something plan but I don't really care about it." I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that no matter how much effort I put in for my plan that you, Rayne, Robik, AND Sicklucker would have followed it. Even Sandroba said he was going to shoot but it was early enough to be a possible reaction bait type comment. So, what would have been the point? Plus, several people were like the quote you posted below say "Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. ...you hiding behind that list." Fourth, This post: Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 04:00 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2015 03:51 your mom wrote:On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing. Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit. Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan). Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him. Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him. rayns arguments are that i scumread people off a few posts before looking at the entire game, and keep scumreading them for those posts (which is supposed to make the whole "fabricated") now point me to the part you find convincing please. rayn called me mafia on the get go so he couldnt have thought that i was mafia cause stubborn, since it was shortly after game start and before i went to bed. he called me mafia after i woke up today for reasons. but the first time he calls me mafia, do you see a reason for it? I didn't see a reason for him scumming you at first. But later he does, and lays them out. I read Rayn's case and thought that makes sense. I then reread your filter and the first few pages looking at you and skimming the rest, but then I don't see the scum. But I really think Rayn is town. So, I'm conflicted and unsure. It is why I'm not voting you just yet. Geript is doing stuff and interacting a lot. He grilled Epiphany (still even but more politely). He doesn't appear to be afraid to say anything and is pushing an agenda. There's some things he's done that seemed scummy (pushing for chaos with plan rejection and not pushing an alternative, pushing the ninja stuff) but that stuff is either outweighed by or explained by his other actions. It's definitely possible he's scum, but we can't shoot him today. No way. What I find interesting about this post is that finding reasons to call me mafia but doesn't push them. What's more important is he's both buddied me pretty hard at points and both before and after this calls me obvious town. Like that's really, really weird.
You've done a lot of towny looking things. I think you'd be a bad shot D1 a bad lynch D2 if you survive the night. If you do survive say night 2 then I will relook at the scummy things you've done and weight them over your towny stuff. Why is it weird that I waffle on a guy who in a previous game said he had a 90% mafia win rate? Right now you're too useful to town to kill.
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On March 05 2015 05:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
lol?
Mediocre shuriken, imo. Rsoul was obvious town.
How does being a ninja differ from being town on D1?
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On March 05 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 05:28 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:
rayn could I get a couple of sentences explaining your town read on rob? he is a massive dick if he did what he did at the deadline as mafia. You mean like a massive dick enough to try and use PM's to determine someone's alignment. Because that dick would be you. What's really funny about it is that you did it in Artanis' game. Because you and everyone else knows that Artanis always tells mafia what the VT role pm is. Like that's a massive dick play on top of being a really fucking stupid play. That's what up. Yeah fuck you. I am using every information i am presented to gather reads. If someone posted their role PM in thread as town should i say they are mafia "because it's not fair to think they are town"? Of course i fucking read what people write in the thread, i "unsportmanshiply" solved the tItanic III game because i fucking knew DP was fakeclaiming and Hopeless was not from the way they presented their claims. So what? Should i have mislynched Hopeless there? Yes i am 100% sure LightningStrike is town here for his claim and don't you dare to throw shit on me for something i have nothing to do with. There is no way he words his post that way without having time to think as mafia. Period. I know it, you know it, and you are probably salty because you just lost a mislynch because of it. But do not fucking blame me for having a read.
No Rayn, what I'm pissed about it is that you're using it. For a long time we were both staunchly against using any sort of that shit. Like there's a line between cheating and good play. For me that crosses the line. I think he's town and I don't need that read which btw is extra stupid because Artanis tells the mafia team about role pms. It's a matter of standards. And when I knew you and you were town, you would try to never stoop to that shit. Ever. You even got really pissed about shit like that being in the thread because it ruins the integrity of the game. I have not now or ever intentionally cheated. There was even a game recently where I had that exact thought that someone was mafia because of how they claimed to me. I specifically didn't use it and relied on other things to read that person because it was both against the rules of the game and unethical. I don't cheat. Period. I thought you didn't either. That's what really pisses me off here. That's what really got my goat when I accidently pm'd Marv essentially telling him I was town. Not just that it got him removed from the game but also that I didn't even stop to think about how that could affect the game. I didn't think that it tells him that my slot was town. There have been numerous games in Magic where I've called a judge on myself for an illegal deck presentation because I had a sideboard card in during G1 when my opponent never would've know I had the 4th thoughtseize or that mid storm for 20 I somehow drew the Anger of the Gods or Engineered Explosives which I didn't side in the previous match but somehow ended up in the 60 I presented. I called a judge myself last weekend for accidentally scrying 2 off of Drown in Sorrow (it didn't affect teh outcome at all) but that doesn't matter. It's the principle of it. And I'm hurt that you'd even use shit like that because I thought you were one of the other few people here would never do that shit.
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kitaman27
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On March 05 2015 05:31 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 02:58 Toadesstern wrote:rayn, anything you disagree with or want to add? I honestly don't really care all that much about mafia reads right now and am trying to go by PoE seeing as that your mom thing totally did not work out yesterday and we just have a crapton of people that are just nulls for me. Feel like we should focus on those guys atm, so: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png) left out the other green tone for obvious reasons right now. anything that caught your attention?
Seems pretty close to mine I think.
1) I am honored to have a nickname that references Imperial Japan.
2) Dunno about the Kurumi or Slam town reads. Though to be fair, I have mostly skipped those.
3) Sandroba posturing for a Breshke shot after claiming he intends to shoot probably doesn't make them both mafia. I don't have a huge issue with them in the scummy category though.
4) I don't know if I trust HtS enough to put her on a town list yet.
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On March 05 2015 05:44 Toadesstern wrote:
why did you guys tell ninjas to shoot a townie? whoever pointed that out...
That was Rayn pointing out what Koshi said. Someone else +1'd it.
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On March 05 2015 05:49 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 05:28 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:
rayn could I get a couple of sentences explaining your town read on rob? he is a massive dick if he did what he did at the deadline as mafia. You mean like a massive dick enough to try and use PM's to determine someone's alignment. Because that dick would be you. What's really funny about it is that you did it in Artanis' game. Because you and everyone else knows that Artanis always tells mafia what the VT role pm is. Like that's a massive dick play on top of being a really fucking stupid play. That's what up. Yeah fuck you. I am using every information i am presented to gather reads. If someone posted their role PM in thread as town should i say they are mafia "because it's not fair to think they are town"? Of course i fucking read what people write in the thread, i "unsportmanshiply" solved the tItanic III game because i fucking knew DP was fakeclaiming and Hopeless was not from the way they presented their claims. So what? Should i have mislynched Hopeless there? Yes i am 100% sure LightningStrike is town here for his claim and don't you dare to throw shit on me for something i have nothing to do with. There is no way he words his post that way without having time to think as mafia. Period. I know it, you know it, and you are probably salty because you just lost a mislynch because of it. But do not fucking blame me for having a read. No Rayn, what I'm pissed about it is that you're using it. For a long time we were both staunchly against using any sort of that shit. Like there's a line between cheating and good play. For me that crosses the line. I think he's town and I don't need that read which btw is extra stupid because Artanis tells the mafia team about role pms. It's a matter of standards. And when I knew you and you were town, you would try to never stoop to that shit. Ever. You even got really pissed about shit like that being in the thread because it ruins the integrity of the game. I have not now or ever intentionally cheated. There was even a game recently where I had that exact thought that someone was mafia because of how they claimed to me. I specifically didn't use it and relied on other things to read that person because it was both against the rules of the game and unethical. I don't cheat. Period. I thought you didn't either. That's what really pisses me off here. That's what really got my goat when I accidently pm'd Marv essentially telling him I was town. Not just that it got him removed from the game but also that I didn't even stop to think about how that could affect the game. I didn't think that it tells him that my slot was town. There have been numerous games in Magic where I've called a judge on myself for an illegal deck presentation because I had a sideboard card in during G1 when my opponent never would've know I had the 4th thoughtseize or that mid storm for 20 I somehow drew the Anger of the Gods or Engineered Explosives which I didn't side in the previous match but somehow ended up in the 60 I presented. I called a judge myself last weekend for accidentally scrying 2 off of Drown in Sorrow (it didn't affect teh outcome at all) but that doesn't matter. It's the principle of it. And I'm hurt that you'd even use shit like that because I thought you were one of the other few people here would never do that shit.
you have modkilled yourself multiple times to prove you are town so stop talking about cheating.
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On March 05 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 05:49 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 05:28 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:
rayn could I get a couple of sentences explaining your town read on rob? he is a massive dick if he did what he did at the deadline as mafia. You mean like a massive dick enough to try and use PM's to determine someone's alignment. Because that dick would be you. What's really funny about it is that you did it in Artanis' game. Because you and everyone else knows that Artanis always tells mafia what the VT role pm is. Like that's a massive dick play on top of being a really fucking stupid play. That's what up. Yeah fuck you. I am using every information i am presented to gather reads. If someone posted their role PM in thread as town should i say they are mafia "because it's not fair to think they are town"? Of course i fucking read what people write in the thread, i "unsportmanshiply" solved the tItanic III game because i fucking knew DP was fakeclaiming and Hopeless was not from the way they presented their claims. So what? Should i have mislynched Hopeless there? Yes i am 100% sure LightningStrike is town here for his claim and don't you dare to throw shit on me for something i have nothing to do with. There is no way he words his post that way without having time to think as mafia. Period. I know it, you know it, and you are probably salty because you just lost a mislynch because of it. But do not fucking blame me for having a read. No Rayn, what I'm pissed about it is that you're using it. For a long time we were both staunchly against using any sort of that shit. Like there's a line between cheating and good play. For me that crosses the line. I think he's town and I don't need that read which btw is extra stupid because Artanis tells the mafia team about role pms. It's a matter of standards. And when I knew you and you were town, you would try to never stoop to that shit. Ever. You even got really pissed about shit like that being in the thread because it ruins the integrity of the game. I have not now or ever intentionally cheated. There was even a game recently where I had that exact thought that someone was mafia because of how they claimed to me. I specifically didn't use it and relied on other things to read that person because it was both against the rules of the game and unethical. I don't cheat. Period. I thought you didn't either. That's what really pisses me off here. That's what really got my goat when I accidently pm'd Marv essentially telling him I was town. Not just that it got him removed from the game but also that I didn't even stop to think about how that could affect the game. I didn't think that it tells him that my slot was town. There have been numerous games in Magic where I've called a judge on myself for an illegal deck presentation because I had a sideboard card in during G1 when my opponent never would've know I had the 4th thoughtseize or that mid storm for 20 I somehow drew the Anger of the Gods or Engineered Explosives which I didn't side in the previous match but somehow ended up in the 60 I presented. I called a judge myself last weekend for accidentally scrying 2 off of Drown in Sorrow (it didn't affect teh outcome at all) but that doesn't matter. It's the principle of it. And I'm hurt that you'd even use shit like that because I thought you were one of the other few people here would never do that shit. you have modkilled yourself multiple times to prove you are town so stop talking about cheating.
No. I've gotten myself modkilled because I'm a stupid fuck. Never once that I can ever think of have I ever said, hey look. I'm going to get myself modkilled so that people will know I'm town and take the lynch in a different direction. Not once.
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On March 05 2015 05:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 05:49 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 05:28 geript wrote:On March 05 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:
rayn could I get a couple of sentences explaining your town read on rob? he is a massive dick if he did what he did at the deadline as mafia. You mean like a massive dick enough to try and use PM's to determine someone's alignment. Because that dick would be you. What's really funny about it is that you did it in Artanis' game. Because you and everyone else knows that Artanis always tells mafia what the VT role pm is. Like that's a massive dick play on top of being a really fucking stupid play. That's what up. Yeah fuck you. I am using every information i am presented to gather reads. If someone posted their role PM in thread as town should i say they are mafia "because it's not fair to think they are town"? Of course i fucking read what people write in the thread, i "unsportmanshiply" solved the tItanic III game because i fucking knew DP was fakeclaiming and Hopeless was not from the way they presented their claims. So what? Should i have mislynched Hopeless there? Yes i am 100% sure LightningStrike is town here for his claim and don't you dare to throw shit on me for something i have nothing to do with. There is no way he words his post that way without having time to think as mafia. Period. I know it, you know it, and you are probably salty because you just lost a mislynch because of it. But do not fucking blame me for having a read. No Rayn, what I'm pissed about it is that you're using it. For a long time we were both staunchly against using any sort of that shit. Like there's a line between cheating and good play. For me that crosses the line. I think he's town and I don't need that read which btw is extra stupid because Artanis tells the mafia team about role pms. It's a matter of standards. And when I knew you and you were town, you would try to never stoop to that shit. Ever. You even got really pissed about shit like that being in the thread because it ruins the integrity of the game. I have not now or ever intentionally cheated. There was even a game recently where I had that exact thought that someone was mafia because of how they claimed to me. I specifically didn't use it and relied on other things to read that person because it was both against the rules of the game and unethical. I don't cheat. Period. I thought you didn't either. That's what really pisses me off here. That's what really got my goat when I accidently pm'd Marv essentially telling him I was town. Not just that it got him removed from the game but also that I didn't even stop to think about how that could affect the game. I didn't think that it tells him that my slot was town. There have been numerous games in Magic where I've called a judge on myself for an illegal deck presentation because I had a sideboard card in during G1 when my opponent never would've know I had the 4th thoughtseize or that mid storm for 20 I somehow drew the Anger of the Gods or Engineered Explosives which I didn't side in the previous match but somehow ended up in the 60 I presented. I called a judge myself last weekend for accidentally scrying 2 off of Drown in Sorrow (it didn't affect teh outcome at all) but that doesn't matter. It's the principle of it. And I'm hurt that you'd even use shit like that because I thought you were one of the other few people here would never do that shit. you have modkilled yourself multiple times to prove you are town so stop talking about cheating. No. I've gotten myself modkilled because I'm a stupid fuck. Never once that I can ever think of have I ever said, hey look. I'm going to get myself modkilled so that people will know I'm town and take the lynch in a different direction. Not once.
Oh right but those instances tend to happen when you are being lynched.... as town.
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kitaman27
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On March 05 2015 05:36 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 03:38 geript wrote:@Kita. Regarding Tube. I had to go back and look at my summary of the Newbie game and his filter. On length it's about what I expect. He's under similar pressure in that game too IIRC. There are a few things that I note that are quite different. First, in the newbie game while his filter isn't great he has some real gems of insight here and there. Things that really show how he's thinking about the game. Not just the "If everyone's scumreading Shining" post but more like: On January 11 2015 11:17 Tubesock wrote:
Even if you read Rsoultin's legacy concerning Silverarte it's like she doesn't want to insult her by calling her mafia since they are friends. There isn't a single towny word in Rsoultin's paragraph about Silver.
Like it's a really interesting thought. But I'm not really seeing anything like that this game. That's pretty remarkable to me. Second, in the newbie game he's reasonably opinionated. Like he makes points on people and interacts a bunch. Like almost all of his posts are to someone. I'm going to try and be specific about this but his posts are to the person in relation to the conversation they are having in the thread at that time. Like there's an intended back and forth. Where as this game it's far more of posting at people. Like he's interested in saying something but not in actually conversing or having that back and forth. Third, I remember one of the heuristics used in Boardwalk revolved around who made plans and why. In Boardwalk, there were numerous plans based around picking numbers and what should be drafted where, etc. But I specifically remember someone talking about how mafia were more likely to propose a plan and just let it die. As I recall, I think it ended up getting a mafia lynched; I think it was part of why Gonzaw suspected Artanis. Either way, what I find interesting about his Votecount thing is that he doesn't really push it. He both likes and understands my "people cleared to shoot" list. But unlike, Rayn or me that game there was no constant revision in order to generate a better plan. There wasn't really any pushing for finding the best plan. It's more of a "I'm doing something plan but I don't really care about it." Fourth, This post: On March 04 2015 04:00 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2015 03:51 your mom wrote:On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing. Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit. Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan). Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him. Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him. rayns arguments are that i scumread people off a few posts before looking at the entire game, and keep scumreading them for those posts (which is supposed to make the whole "fabricated") now point me to the part you find convincing please. rayn called me mafia on the get go so he couldnt have thought that i was mafia cause stubborn, since it was shortly after game start and before i went to bed. he called me mafia after i woke up today for reasons. but the first time he calls me mafia, do you see a reason for it? I didn't see a reason for him scumming you at first. But later he does, and lays them out. I read Rayn's case and thought that makes sense. I then reread your filter and the first few pages looking at you and skimming the rest, but then I don't see the scum. But I really think Rayn is town. So, I'm conflicted and unsure. It is why I'm not voting you just yet. Geript is doing stuff and interacting a lot. He grilled Epiphany (still even but more politely). He doesn't appear to be afraid to say anything and is pushing an agenda. There's some things he's done that seemed scummy (pushing for chaos with plan rejection and not pushing an alternative, pushing the ninja stuff) but that stuff is either outweighed by or explained by his other actions. It's definitely possible he's scum, but we can't shoot him today. No way. What I find interesting about this post is that finding reasons to call me mafia but doesn't push them. What's more important is he's both buddied me pretty hard at points and both before and after this calls me obvious town. Like that's really, really weird. Talk about this. While I go grab a cigar.
I don't really have anything to add here. You could probably cherry pick examples from the newbie game to support either conclusion so I don't put a large amount of weight in this. Third point is okay. Fourth point I can see going either way.
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I still think geript is mafia.
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On March 05 2015 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think geript is mafia.
100% mafia or just mafia.
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BTW, I'm shooting Sepulchre and I'm getting a good stiff drink. Probably at the shitty mexican place near my house.
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STOP TELLING PEOPLE WHAT YOU SHOOT IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY A VIG
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Hey! But I'm here...you have no response to my response?
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