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On March 03 2015 11:12 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I dunnae. Slam's play was kinda transparent, so people not really reacting negatively to it doesn't mean much imo.
I can also see geript being unwilling to trust a shot to someone else even as town. The fact of the matter, though, is even if the plan doesn't ultimately work because we can't actually force a shot on the person with the most votes, we still get more information out of it than a clusterfuck of yammering followed by a race to be the first to get a shot out at the 24 hour mark. My point was more, Geript thought RNG was fine. Then later the vote idea came up, and now he's not at all for an RNG or any type of plan that isn't just him shooting. And then later, he thinks we should hunt ninja's? While I liked his explanation of "not really hunting ninja's but being more happy to have one die to remove 2 non towns in game" it just feels like he's pushing for more chaos.
No. I'm fine with Slam RNGing. Im not fine with an RNG shot in general. There's a big difference there.
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On March 03 2015 11:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 11:12 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I dunnae. Slam's play was kinda transparent, so people not really reacting negatively to it doesn't mean much imo.
I can also see geript being unwilling to trust a shot to someone else even as town. The fact of the matter, though, is even if the plan doesn't ultimately work because we can't actually force a shot on the person with the most votes, we still get more information out of it than a clusterfuck of yammering followed by a race to be the first to get a shot out at the 24 hour mark. My point was more, Geript thought RNG was fine. Then later the vote idea came up, and now he's not at all for an RNG or any type of plan that isn't just him shooting. And then later, he thinks we should hunt ninja's? While I liked his explanation of "not really hunting ninja's but being more happy to have one die to remove 2 non towns in game" it just feels like he's pushing for more chaos. No. I'm fine with Slam RNGing. Im not fine with an RNG shot in general. There's a big difference there.
Are you against my vote count idea?
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Like I really don't get it. Is it really that hard to read what I say? Like this is the second or third time in idk 3-4 hour that someone has completely misconstrued what I've said. Like am I writing in Chinese? Like why does no one ever fucking understand exactly what I write when its literally straight forward? Like what is it that I do or don't do that makes me not persuasive and not understNdable?
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On March 03 2015 11:27 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 11:23 geript wrote:On March 03 2015 11:12 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I dunnae. Slam's play was kinda transparent, so people not really reacting negatively to it doesn't mean much imo.
I can also see geript being unwilling to trust a shot to someone else even as town. The fact of the matter, though, is even if the plan doesn't ultimately work because we can't actually force a shot on the person with the most votes, we still get more information out of it than a clusterfuck of yammering followed by a race to be the first to get a shot out at the 24 hour mark. My point was more, Geript thought RNG was fine. Then later the vote idea came up, and now he's not at all for an RNG or any type of plan that isn't just him shooting. And then later, he thinks we should hunt ninja's? While I liked his explanation of "not really hunting ninja's but being more happy to have one die to remove 2 non towns in game" it just feels like he's pushing for more chaos. No. I'm fine with Slam RNGing. Im not fine with an RNG shot in general. There's a big difference there. Are you against my vote count idea?
I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting.
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On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 11:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2015 11:23 geript wrote:On March 03 2015 11:12 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I dunnae. Slam's play was kinda transparent, so people not really reacting negatively to it doesn't mean much imo.
I can also see geript being unwilling to trust a shot to someone else even as town. The fact of the matter, though, is even if the plan doesn't ultimately work because we can't actually force a shot on the person with the most votes, we still get more information out of it than a clusterfuck of yammering followed by a race to be the first to get a shot out at the 24 hour mark. My point was more, Geript thought RNG was fine. Then later the vote idea came up, and now he's not at all for an RNG or any type of plan that isn't just him shooting. And then later, he thinks we should hunt ninja's? While I liked his explanation of "not really hunting ninja's but being more happy to have one die to remove 2 non towns in game" it just feels like he's pushing for more chaos. No. I'm fine with Slam RNGing. Im not fine with an RNG shot in general. There's a big difference there. Are you against my vote count idea? I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting.
Then we lynch the random shooters the next day. Fairly simple
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On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote:
I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting.
But that's kinda the point of it. We talk about who town wants to shoot and everyone in thread at the 24hr mark when shooting is possible shoots for the vote leader. That way the shot is controlled by town.
Deferring to you or Slam's RNG target depends on either of you being there at the deadline to shoot before someone else does. With knowing what the town has voted, then more people will hopefully all shoot at the leader and we will have 6+ people shooting the preferred target.
What's your less stupid idea?
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I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town.
Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta.
HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta.
rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative.
Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia.
Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie.
Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right 
Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town.
Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now.
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Like if anything it delays "consensus" shots while maverick shots are under more pressure to get their prefered kill. And then people will lynch or not lynch the shooter regardless because they have a townread on someone etc. Plus I doubt mafia would even try to shoot D1. Like it's really rare for mafia to go for mayor. There's even more pressure to endure for an early shot on town. So lynching into the D1 shooter for mishot is really retarded. Like trying to hold people to shooting the consensus pick just means that rogue town on town action is the most likely outcome so you're trying to lock people into what's essentially 2 bad lynches.
That doesn't even take into account the randomness of other options. Like what happens when a mayor is elected and lynches someone else? Or what happens if it's a nomination and random shooter dude isn't on the ballot. Like it's really insane play because it can affect the tenor of the game in a way that's really detrimental to town.
Like there shouldn't be random shots. People should pretend that they're trying to lynch someone. Like the people who I'm ok with shooting are the people who have tried to push the thread forward in some way. Given reads on people. Etc. like I don't care who they shoot because I'm pretty damn sure they're town (except maybe Damdred who's still reasonably towny). So the fact that people are more interested in talking about stupid peripheral shit than about shooting one of Koshi, HtS, Onegu or Rayn. Or even discussing other targets that's what alarming to me. Like any sort of pressure for these people has pretty quietly dissipated for no reason. It's kinda why I think Rayn might be town to some extent. Not just for pushing Toad a bit but that Toad doesnt seem interested in pushing a lynch.
I think Toad buddies differently as town than as scum though. I know he talked about buddying as either alignment but Note to self meta that later.
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Geript can you give me your thoughts so far on HTS and rsoultin please? I just curious on your thoughts on them that's all.
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On March 03 2015 11:36 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote:
I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting. But that's kinda the point of it. We talk about who town wants to shoot and everyone in thread at the 24hr mark when shooting is possible shoots for the vote leader. That way the shot is controlled by town. Deferring to you or Slam's RNG target depends on either of you being there at the deadline to shoot before someone else does. With knowing what the town has voted, then more people will hopefully all shoot at the leader and we will have 6+ people shooting the preferred target. What's your less stupid idea?
My less stupid idea is to have people get "approval" to shoot. I'd you need say 5-8 people vote for you to be the shooter. Then it's far more like a mayoral election and actually gives information about the backers.
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On March 03 2015 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Geript can you give me your thoughts so far on HTS and rsoultin please? I just curious on your thoughts on them that's all.
I think rsoultin is town. She's like really awful as mafia and pretty easy to read
Side note. I remember thinking that Breshke's posts really reminded me of Student v where I metad him pretty extensively. I'd have to look back at my summary but I wouldn't want him shot but I don't get feel comfortable being the shooter.
Her play is just different. Idk how to describe it but it's like less stressed or something. Like in both her mafia games I just wanted to kill her asap because she's really bad at mafia.
On HtS. She has not made my peepee hard. I will take a deeper look at her town games before I shoot her but the entrance is a big alarm and my first reads in the game I usually get away from despite them being right for really weird reasons.
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On March 03 2015 11:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 11:36 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote:
I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting. But that's kinda the point of it. We talk about who town wants to shoot and everyone in thread at the 24hr mark when shooting is possible shoots for the vote leader. That way the shot is controlled by town. Deferring to you or Slam's RNG target depends on either of you being there at the deadline to shoot before someone else does. With knowing what the town has voted, then more people will hopefully all shoot at the leader and we will have 6+ people shooting the preferred target. What's your less stupid idea? My less stupid idea is to have people get "approval" to shoot. I'd you need say 5-8 people vote for you to be the shooter. Then it's far more like a mayoral election and actually gives information about the backers.
I guess I could get behind this. Assuming that we lynch any non vote declared shooter. That way we have 24 more hours to talk.
I'm running off the assumption that at the deadline to be able to shoot, someone IS going to shoot. I'd rather us vote for someone to be shot, and shot at deadline by the consensus. It's really just like a normal lynch vote but only 24 hours long instead of 48. We would only lynch someone for the shooting if they shot someone outside of the consensus.
My only objection to electing a vigilante is that I feel we are just as likely to kill a townie anyway. I'm not sure which idea will offer more information though.
Currently, though I wouldn't shoot HtS. If Onegu doesn't do anything then I wouldn't object to you shooting him. But why not shoot Koshi? He seems fairly likely since he just blantantly said he can't be asked to do anything.
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Did he say that? then we should def kill koshi let me look at his filter.
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Which is the exact thing he did his last mafia game. That makes him uber likely to be mafia.
I remember you thinking HtS was town or maybe town. Mind explaining that in full detail.
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Ya ill shoot koshi. He flips mafia over 50% of tht time from that noplay excuse. Which is great odds
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Like geript ive called out his 0 effort mafia play. You know me im down
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I think he might have done a similar thing in golden sun too when he rolled not town. But that game was all fucked up so I've never been sure on who started out as a faction, who got converted and who remained town. BH, slam and I all had the same role afaik though.
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Any other thoughts on posters SL?
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Not rly I skimmed the thread.
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On March 03 2015 12:04 geript wrote:
Which is the exact thing he did his last mafia game. That makes him uber likely to be mafia.
I remember you thinking HtS was town or maybe town. Mind explaining that in full detail.
Just feelings? But again I badly misread her in our newbie game you analysed (thank you again for that, I keep rereading it).
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