Student Mafia V

On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:


This is bullshit.

You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure.
You're just trying to push him to look contributive.

On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:

Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs)

On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:
GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption.

You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it.


What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad?

I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)

Also, why the emphasis on Damdred?

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On January 17 2015 18:52 coolTLname wrote:
jarjarbinks

People aren't really suspecting you because of the logical reasoning behind your no lynch post, but the way u presented it. nice re-direct attempt though.


Very useful information for town. So exciting that u went afk and totally silent. Well , maybe just in this thread.

Why did you go afk for so long when u were *trying* to generate discussion? Or was that just bullshit fluff, while u were busy consulting with your mafia team?

previous game history:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=jarjarbinks

On January 17 2015 21:16 LoneMeow wrote:


So your major reads are a summary of what people have done so far? No one is scum or town? Then why call them reads?

On January 17 2015 19:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts.

Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now.

Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow.

CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE

Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does.

DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought.

On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote:
Here in the knowledge bomb for today guys;

Town:

Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all.

LightningStrike: Some of the stances he has taken seem a bit flimsy at times and it seems like he reverts on them as time passes sometimes. Which gave him a few scum points at first from me. But when questioned about where he was in the game he took little to no time at having actual somewhat developed thoughts on the people in the game. Was really quick to answer and hes not scared to push what he is thinking in the thread (or just put it out there) Pretty sure he is town here.

RS: Hes town, he pressures people. Hes reading the thread, he has follow up on what he says and hes asking opinions to try to figure out peoples alignments. Wouldn't lynch him today at all.


Null:

LM: Why you not have your neck out and giving actual thoughts instead of just reacting to what people say to you .

Warwaffle: not really rememerable but hasn't posted much

Shining: where are you baby doll?

Breshke: Who are you again? what do you think?

Scum:

TLCoolName: I have talked about him before now and I will reinterate. He attacks JarJar at one point and JarJar answers him, instead of interacting with him and trying to figure out his alignment. He disengages and says oh I like this post and never returns to it. When confronted with this information he says he just hasn't analyzed what JarJar has done. Shouldn't be much to analysis and Jarjar was in the thread at the time so he missed a good opoortunity to actually analysis the player and figure out his alignment. And then he switched to talking about me or rather slow pushing a target, he quoted something before the game started. He waited for someone else to vote and threw his vote down with that person. He claims it was a reaction test, but his reaction is not one a town would generally make. Instead of talking it through and trying to understand alignments of both he retreats from the confrontation and says just do analysis on everyone else. This guy is scum, hes not interested in finding out who is scum or pressuring people. He wants to find an easy target park there after someone else has fired the first shot and go on his merry way.


General thoughts:

I didn't bother to do everyone yet, Geripts huge post is full of good things that I want more peoples comments on. He might be onto something but I haven't rad DP filter or contextualized it yet.

GB could really be town here, anger at the start seems authentic and GB hates being VT. Some good thoughts but not as many as drunk bear should usually have at this point.

I'm undecided about JarJar currently, his recent postings looked pretty ok, but his previous postings looked bad. So can't really put him in a null town or scum currently but might lynch him depending on play as the game goes along.

Overall cool is the scummiest thing in the thread and people should comment on what I wrote.

On January 18 2015 03:07 geript wrote:
Initial thought: I like Damdred's read on cool. Need to double check but it feels right. Damdred do you really disagree with my Trfel read that much?
Last and most important point: you can call me Geript, getmoript, gayripped, supercoolasdudewiththebigdick. Under no circumstances am I to be called gereipt.

On January 18 2015 03:23 rsoultin wrote:


Ouch. Yeah. That looks like a current list rather than a list based off your initial post (you also left off WW who you mentioned in your summary above).

Are you scumreading Cool for lurking?

What makes DP scum? Questioning me? I see nothing inherently wrong with questions as long as they're leading somewhere.

On January 18 2015 02:46 Damdred wrote:


No that's not an acceptable answers hehe, never downplay yourself at all.

Well, shining is generally lurky as scum in my experience with him. So I was hoping if he was lurking and just reading it would draw him out into the thread, and also I was wanting to see who would jump and try to call me scum for pregame/lurker lynch.

It got somewhat a desired result

On January 18 2015 03:56 rsoultin wrote:


DP, JarJar. What is the basis of your read on him?

On January 18 2015 17:05 geript wrote:
Ok JJB, I've have 10 minutes left to live before the mafia day vigilante shoots me are you ready to play a game?

On January 18 2015 17:22 geript wrote:

Describe Damdred, Rsoultin and Trfel with 1 color and 1 animal.
e.g.
Damdred [color] [animal]

On January 18 2015 17:34 DarthPunk wrote:


Nah you are good now. Like 6 months to a year ago no way.

On January 18 2015 17:54 The Shining wrote:
Geript - Town lost the game in the last Newbie by lynching Jar Jar D3. I was set to be lynched D1 before WW's lynch picked up speed. I'm addressing it because you said I was more nitpicky in that game. I would probably agree with you but the fact is I'm not a fan of D1, never have been. First D1 in my 1st TL game, we lynched a blue role. I still don't really like how that tasted. I'm much better at vote analysis and seeing if people's N1/D2 play and reactions stay consistent.

I'm also not really sure why my argument against the setup is weird. When I read JJ's post, I checked the OP to see if there was a Doc/Cop setup. It took me a few seconds. I found it weird that JJB went on a Google search with this info instead of checking himself. What would stop him from checking all the possible setups when mentioning the setup being the reason he couldn't think of a plan? Only thing I could come up with is him possibly knowing the setup and not being interested in the alternatives. I won't put much weight on anything concerning setups after my balance theory regarding Doc and Vet(which was right btw) wasn't listened to but I still definitely felt it worth mentioning. Putting any thought out there is better than staying quiet any longer.

On January 18 2015 18:11 Breshke wrote:
I don't get why jarjar being present in the thread and responding to questions means he couldn't be mafia?

Rsoultin said he is competitive so wouldn't he still try if not try harder as scum because he needs to stay alive.

On January 19 2015 05:09 rsoultin wrote:


^ What makes me think JJB is town. Dude, please explain your mislynches response when Breshke asked if scum couldn't try hard if they were competitive, too?

Pin in LM. Sometimes I will not state my thoughts aloud if I think that will cause someone to play differently than they otherwise would, especially when I'm still trying to get reads on certain players.

On January 19 2015 05:12 Damdred wrote:
I never put a vote on GB what are you talking about jarjar?

No I haven't read dps filter

On January 19 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
Pssht JarJar you just validated Breshke's argument against you xP That being try-hard is not alignment indicative.

On January 19 2015 05:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Jar jar
Who is scum and why?

On January 19 2015 05:45 geript wrote:

If you can't read 2 of my posts and know that I'm town, then there's really nothing I could ever say that would change that. I'm buddying up to DP because he's the only good player who I'm sure is town and can get an honest opinion on.

On January 19 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad you asked me dp, I am lazy and think your obvious town. I don't see you being Scum nor a lynch so I'm ignoring your filter because I read you in thread as town.

Really bad excuses here.

Geript is pretty town, if he's alive after d2 and no roles claim he's pulling a Russian mafia but he looks super towny
This feels like a safe read here.

LS is town based on hi a addiction to meta as town.
Super safe. Common knowledge.

Jjb is mafia I think
Even more safe. I am an easy target.

On January 19 2015 06:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred is town for not voting to survive.

Jar jar binks is too wishy washy and doesn't have genuine scumreads. When pushed to tell us who his scumreads are, he said I should try to convince him damdred is mafia. Very dodgy.

DAMDRED IS TOWN

Have an eye open on DP and Geript.

Breshke is likely to be mafia but he is not up for the lynch today.

War waffle is most likely town.

Gg.

On January 19 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote:
This is great shining says damdred and lm are lynched. Votes GB. Pure Scum

On January 19 2015 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:


Because he didn't try to save himself.

Jar jar did.

On January 20 2015 14:02 geript wrote:
Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike
jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow
GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel

Let's assume this is true for a second. We can color JJB blue I guess since no one else has claimed. Technically, Trfel and LoneMeow could both claim here I think since they haven't posted but meh. If LM is blue, he might not come off JJB so quickly. I think definitely as cop he's significantly less likely to come off, but whatever. Voting wise, Rsoultin makes sense. IDK if she'd be willing to bus that early. Hard to tell. Breshke I thought was town yesterday, not sure I see a real reason to change that. Damdred could be mafia; it makes sense with the GB kill. 2 mafia on the short stack seems ok enough. Shining I forget my read on him yesterday. The argument vs JJB seemed odd (knowing the setup). I think that makes more sense, but usually mafia don't vote back to back. IDK. Seems like DP is the obvious scum if both of them are. That's just really hard to accept.

On January 20 2015 14:37 Breshke wrote:
@ Jarjar who is your top 3 lynches other than trefel.

On January 20 2015 14:45 rsoultin wrote:
Hrum...so, all things remaining equal and assuming the dead townie N2 is universally townread already...likely...

Where are you standing? I know this is preemptive, but if I were scum and Trfel had a red check, I wouldn't fight this lynch. Personally. So I'm not expecting much new knowledge to come from Day 2.

Your paragraph was pretty convoluted and I'm not sure I fully understand it.

On January 20 2015 14:49 rsoultin wrote:


Who did you track? I know you got RBd, but who were you going to track?

^That mirrors my PoE, too, though I don't see why geript would move a train off a town onto another town. Can you explain why you think he could still be scum? To me that seems too risky unless he's super confident he'll get townread for it even though he was saying he didn't like WW as the lynch earlier.

On January 20 2015 16:01 rsoultin wrote:


...This one. The others don't make sense...but 4 is worth investigating. I think they could RB you regardless, cop or tracker, but this one...

I have to remember this when I'm going back through the votes. GB, right, was the train? You were the other. He tried to get people off of GB onto WW. It's untraceable to him if he doesn't get enough people to actually lynch WW and therefore lynches you by default, and he probably wouldn't have gotten enough if you didn't claim. And he didn't want to lynch WW before, on top of that.

It verifies you as blue if they're suspecting that you are, or gets you lynched. Damn, bro. There is a possible scum motive for that wagon switch after all.

...okay. Gonna have to think on this one ><. The town to town switch was my main reason for townreading him with some of the other things he's done. Tomorrow I'll look at it more in depth to see if it actually jives with the EoD voting.

On January 21 2015 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:
I still here JarJar who you think is the entire scum team and why?

On January 21 2015 09:08 geript wrote:
Like JJB literally just was 100% wrong. Damdred never really heavily pushed JJB. He procrastinates on reading him for like half the day then lackadaisically tells people to vote for him. Like there's never even a good reason for Damdred to even say the shit he is other than his flipfloppery on GB (town-mafia-town).

Plus JJB is literally claiming mafia with Damdred. Idk. I'll think about this more but I can't fathom a reason JJB says anything like that as town.

In the least, we lynch Trfel and have more time to think about it.
##vote Trfel

On January 22 2015 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:

If he was the Roleblocker than the scum would of made a bunch of noise over his lynch.

On January 17 2015 10:45 Trfel wrote:
There is no voting thread XD someone is really prepared for this game haha

LightningStrike, you played in Carol of the Bells. So did LoneMeow. Any thoughts on him?

On January 17 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:

I don't understand where you are coming from. Of course I intend to scumhunt. Why do you ask a question which has only one answer?

On January 18 2015 06:35 Trfel wrote:

Sorry, you're right, that wasn't clear enough.

I try to play with really high standards for scumreading someone. I stated this in my last game if you need me to dig up that quote.

I am most suspicious of LoneMeow and a bit suspicious of DarthPunk. At the moment, my lynch list would probably be LoneMeow, then The Shining, then Breshke, then DarthPunk. However, I'm not going to worry about (potentially) policy lynching until the deadline is much closer.

On January 23 2015 09:00 Breshke wrote:


Scum is told the setup so they would have known there was two investigative roles so i think it is possible if not likely that scum busses both partners (maybe not the roelblocker) because you would want to distance from your team.

On January 23 2015 09:17 Breshke wrote:
@JJB am i correct in assuming you scumread LM?

What do you think of the fact that basically no one disagrees with this?

Feel free to answer this aswell RSo.

On January 23 2015 09:21 geript wrote:

You have all my wat.

On January 23 2015 09:00 Breshke wrote:


Scum is told the setup so they would have known there was two investigative roles so i think it is possible if not likely that scum busses both partners (maybe not the roelblocker) because you would want to distance from your team.

On January 23 2015 09:26 geript wrote:
"if geript turns mafia, PLEASE don't let me be mafia with Trfel"

Roles are already out. Him randomly pushing me for shitty reasons doesn't mean anything. Literally nothing.

On January 23 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:


No not really because im reading RSo as town and speculating on how the mafia team would act isnt really a reason to reconsider that. Like they might bus more but they might also just hard defend because wifom.

Why do you ask this do you have other reasons to think she is mafia?

On January 24 2015 08:37 geript wrote:

Pretend you're medic right. Someone claims cop with a tracker already claimed; you know one is lying. So if you lynch the redcheck, you learn which one is lying and who to put the save on at night. So not only would you not CC JJB's claim, you also wouldn't CC LS' claim. In the same way as mafia, same rules apply except that they have to claim being rb'd. Perhaps they were intending to CC JJB's tracker claim directly, but that's less likely to be effective.

On January 24 2015 08:37 geript wrote:

Pretend you're medic right. Someone claims cop with a tracker already claimed; you know one is lying. So if you lynch the redcheck, you learn which one is lying and who to put the save on at night. So not only would you not CC JJB's claim, you also wouldn't CC LS' claim. In the same way as mafia, same rules apply except that they have to claim being rb'd. Perhaps they were intending to CC JJB's tracker claim directly, but that's less likely to be effective.

On January 24 2015 08:37 rsoultin wrote:


I just think that you have trouble getting read as town, bro. After this game we can definitely talk about that if you want. ^^ Easier lynches tend to be kept around because scum needs town to mislynch.

Give me your thoughts? The JarJar brain juices help me think lol.

On January 25 2015 16:47 geript wrote:


So how much percentage points do everyone get?

I ask because I was interested in it at end of game; I mean it did have mafia as the #2,3 and 4 on the to lynch train.

On January 25 2015 16:44 rsoultin wrote:


Don't know how right your model is there, bro, but if it's dependent on other people's reads, we're doing so well this game it might as well be trash -_- Sorry. Just irritated with myself.

Anyway, talk to me about what you think without the stats?

On January 26 2015 02:12 rsoultin wrote:


JJB, help me out here.

I'm OMGUSing Damdred. Are my points valid or am I being a stubborn ass again? >< I know you're town, and I respect your intelligence, so can you double-check me real quick?

On January 25 2015 16:49 geript wrote:
To be clear, the reason why it was bad was that you never explained how people got to X%. You know. Like:
Voting for a dead towny adds X percentage
Being voted for by a dead towny adds Y percentage
etc.

On January 26 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
EBWOP:
o.0 can you tell me where you got your percentage increases from? the 23% and 16%? just as a point of curiosity

On January 25 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote:
I'm wrong more often than not, LM is a lower activity player. And I could be tunneled, and i'm probably wrong about Geript.

On January 26 2015 02:46 rsoultin wrote:


Yeah, that was his explanation for the vote.

Did you read the quotes I posted and my comments? That's what I need the sanity check on.