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jarjarbinks
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I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers? | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Logic applied to "no lynch vote": Game is balanced on the thought that town lynches town on Day1. As long we get people talking about their thoughts and have relevant history on players, I do not see why we should lynch town Day1. Reason why I thought it would be a good idea to do (...lol) Read part (maybe I should have read the whole thing lol) of the get better at mafia link on this site and saw that making plans were good things. Since there is no cop/medic setups (I thought I saw that at the beginning) I could not figure out a good plan. So I went to google to find mafia strategies. First one I find? The no lynch day one. The site actually went on to make every person make an "opening statement" about everything and then people would question them based on their statement. But after day 1, they said don't lynch. I thought it was a good idea and did an analysis (yes using numbers...lol) to see which side was more favored with a day 1 no lynch. I bet you can guess what I found. I see many people think I will use voting analysis like last game. I think it got enough hate for a while. I definitely needed more data points to do the type of regressions I was doing. I had 2 then, 4 now. I probably won't talk about that again. Anyways, the mafia link also said establishing innocence was like priority #1. I definitely have screwed that one up again (rsoultin we should talk after this game lolz). I will go into what I think of who using quotes and stuff. | ||
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On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote: This is bullshit. You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive. I agreed with this when I read it. I see people towning rsoultin for contributing. IMO she would do this every game mafia or no. Her pressuring of Trfel is not alignment indicative. However, I feel like her pressure led discussion so I'm glad she will do this every game. | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote: Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..) Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] + For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. | ||
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Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now. Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow. CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does. DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Rsoultin: What is your stance on DP? Gereipt: I noticed you put GlowingBear in your null section. What are your thoughts on his play so far? His town read of Trfel (who you scumread)? Damdred: Could you provide reasoning behind your scumposts of LS? I think I know why you scummed me and shining lolz | ||
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On January 17 2015 18:52 coolTLname wrote: jarjarbinks People aren't really suspecting you because of the logical reasoning behind your no lynch post, but the way u presented it. nice re-direct attempt though. Very useful information for town. So exciting that u went afk and totally silent. Well , maybe just in this thread. Why did you go afk for so long when u were *trying* to generate discussion? Or was that just bullshit fluff, while u were busy consulting with your mafia team? previous game history: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=jarjarbinks Like how you grab for the low hanging fruit there. Would you like me to share what I did on my Friday night besides this game? It's kind of nerdy. Definitely willing to share if that's what your suspicions are based off of. | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:16 LoneMeow wrote: So your major reads are a summary of what people have done so far? No one is scum or town? Then why call them reads? Thanks for this. Your right this is mostly a summary here. This isn't helpful. I will try to avoid doing fluff summary posts in the future. | ||
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Gereipt asked for my reads on people. I thought I had good quotes to follow up my thoughts on some of the most active guys. The inactive guys not so much. Still wanted to shed my thoughts on them though in case. Damdred: for your reaction vote, did you include shining in your scum list to see if anyone would jump on it based on what was said before the game started? Or did you just do it because you needed someone else to through on your scum team? | ||
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On January 17 2015 19:04 jarjarbinks wrote: Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts. Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now. Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow. CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does. DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought. heyro sis! I'll attempt to do what you asked. I'll attempt to do what you asked except i'll put everyone in the section I think they should be in. Town: LS Null: Gereipt Rsoultin Trfel LoneMeow Breshke GB Damdred Scum: DP CoolITLName Definitely expect changes in the next 36 hours though. Hopefully I'll have more people out of the Null category. Damdred, I have another question for you in a second... | ||
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On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote: Here in the knowledge bomb for today guys; Town: Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all. LightningStrike: Some of the stances he has taken seem a bit flimsy at times and it seems like he reverts on them as time passes sometimes. Which gave him a few scum points at first from me. But when questioned about where he was in the game he took little to no time at having actual somewhat developed thoughts on the people in the game. Was really quick to answer and hes not scared to push what he is thinking in the thread (or just put it out there) Pretty sure he is town here. RS: Hes town, he pressures people. Hes reading the thread, he has follow up on what he says and hes asking opinions to try to figure out peoples alignments. Wouldn't lynch him today at all. Null: LM: Why you not have your neck out and giving actual thoughts instead of just reacting to what people say to you  .Warwaffle: not really rememerable but hasn't posted much Shining: where are you baby doll? Breshke: Who are you again? what do you think? Scum: TLCoolName: I have talked about him before now and I will reinterate. He attacks JarJar at one point and JarJar answers him, instead of interacting with him and trying to figure out his alignment. He disengages and says oh I like this post and never returns to it. When confronted with this information he says he just hasn't analyzed what JarJar has done. Shouldn't be much to analysis and Jarjar was in the thread at the time so he missed a good opoortunity to actually analysis the player and figure out his alignment. And then he switched to talking about me or rather slow pushing a target, he quoted something before the game started. He waited for someone else to vote and threw his vote down with that person. He claims it was a reaction test, but his reaction is not one a town would generally make. Instead of talking it through and trying to understand alignments of both he retreats from the confrontation and says just do analysis on everyone else. This guy is scum, hes not interested in finding out who is scum or pressuring people. He wants to find an easy target park there after someone else has fired the first shot and go on his merry way. General thoughts: I didn't bother to do everyone yet, Geripts huge post is full of good things that I want more peoples comments on. He might be onto something but I haven't rad DP filter or contextualized it yet. GB could really be town here, anger at the start seems authentic and GB hates being VT. Some good thoughts but not as many as drunk bear should usually have at this point. I'm undecided about JarJar currently, his recent postings looked pretty ok, but his previous postings looked bad. So can't really put him in a null town or scum currently but might lynch him depending on play as the game goes along. Overall cool is the scummiest thing in the thread and people should comment on what I wrote. Question for you on your flip-flop of LS. You put him in your 3 person "scum-team". I asked you about the LS inclusion. Other people made posts (not LS). Then you post this, with LS as #2 townread. What made you switch? | ||
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On January 18 2015 03:07 geript wrote: Initial thought: I like Damdred's read on cool. Need to double check but it feels right. Damdred do you really disagree with my Trfel read that much? Last and most important point: you can call me Geript, getmoript, gayripped, supercoolasdudewiththebigdick. Under no circumstances am I to be called gereipt. lol my bad bro...or supercoolasdudewiththebigdick | ||
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On January 18 2015 03:23 rsoultin wrote: Ouch. Yeah. That looks like a current list rather than a list based off your initial post (you also left off WW who you mentioned in your summary above). Are you scumreading Cool for lurking? What makes DP scum? Questioning me? I see nothing inherently wrong with questions as long as they're leading somewhere. Yep current list. Not scumming Cool for lurking. More scumming him for leaving me so fast. Seems to be going after the easy target. I did leave out Waffle. He would also be on null. | ||
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On January 18 2015 02:46 Damdred wrote: No that's not an acceptable answers hehe, never downplay yourself at all. Well, shining is generally lurky as scum in my experience with him. So I was hoping if he was lurking and just reading it would draw him out into the thread, and also I was wanting to see who would jump and try to call me scum for pregame/lurker lynch. It got somewhat a desired result When I asked you bout shining on your scum list you posted limited reasoning. I figured you would have had limited reasoning for LS as well but you towned him later. Hence why I asked. | ||
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On January 18 2015 03:56 rsoultin wrote: DP, JarJar. What is the basis of your read on him? When you say "him" do you mean DP? Or are you asking me and DP's reads on Cool? I think you mean DP. DP- Overdefended trfel's voting at the beginning when he probably knew what trfel was doing. I liked geripts analysis on page 14 explaining it. That's all I have. I'll be back tonight to catch up and put in thoughts. | ||
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JJB you need to explain your thought process for the scumread on Cool here. Sure. I'm used to as a player on this game so far getting discussed in long detail for a lot of posts I make. It was strange to me that he just moved on. I've seen myself in this game and the last one as an "easy target" that people could point the finger to if they wanted a mislynch. The first time I made a comment on that was my first response to him about low hanging fruit. I think I also agreed with someone else's comment along these lines. | ||
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On January 18 2015 17:05 geript wrote: Ok JJB, I've have 10 minutes left to live before the mafia day vigilante shoots me are you ready to play a game? Sure whatsup. | ||
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