Student Mafia V - Page 46

On January 18 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:
Fee Fi Fo Fum. Last night, I couldn't handle my rum. =/ Just gonna dive right into it because reading all of this at once has a bunch of thoughts screaming at me.

Geript - I'm right here and Post 3 needs to be another good one. I don't have much past experience to go on with Trfel openings, and even less with yours, but if more of your posts look like post 1 as opposed to 2, I could see you being Town. The first post was a lot of seemingly genuine analysis in the first post, with a bullet list of questions. However, if you're really sticking to 10 posts, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning in helping Town with your 2nd post. Even more of a waste of a post since half of it was wanting to double check a read on a modkilled player. Of course, you had no idea that would happen but I really wish there was more in that 2nd post. The 1st post did mention a possible association read? I think thats what its called. More thoughts to follow on that when I get to DP. Null leaning Town.

Damdred - Hey boo, sorry I'm late. FYI, I came into this game needing you to bleed town something unreal. You did way too good of a job in past games playing scum and misdirecting Town. That being said, it looks like your questioning is actually coming from a genuine place. I do want to point out that you've been straightforward with questioning a few people, from Cool to Tr. You're either really trying to figure out this game, or trying very hard to scattershot suspicion everywhere to seem contributive. The pressure on Trfel recently makes me think its the former. Slight Town lean.

LS - I lost track of how many times you used the words meta and meta reads in your filter. I understand there isn't much to go off of D1 but I at one point suspected you might not be able to scumread anyone else as scum yourself and decided to rely on someone slipping and doing something they did in a past game as scum so you can jump on that instead. The more I read through you, though, the more you convinced me you were scumhunting. Even though your posts can be a bit erratic and you sometimes backtrack on your own train of thoughts, you also did that in the last Newbie Mini as Town. You also seem pretty fearless in talking and responding to others, something scum would double and triple check before doing for fear of slipping. Slight Town.

RSo - Strong Town. I've played with her a bunch and her hitting the track running with questions and early pressure for Trfel's Geript vote fits perfectly with her Town meta. She very much so hit me the same way in Mini when I questioned if she was bluehunting. Also she is very transparent with her questions and suspicions and makes it clear she was questioning Trfels motives for the vote, not immediately scumming him. In my experience, Town is more careful about who to scumread and lynch in the fear of killing a blue.


JJB - That entrance is bad and you should feel bad. Lol jk but seriously, D1 lynch is most important in my opinion. You learn much more about who posted/voted during the day with a D1 lynch, as well as running a chance of an awesome D1 scum lynch. Otherwise, we have to hope for a Doc save, assuming we even have one, or we start D2 with minimal info and a NK that could be detrimental to Town winning. This brings me to my next point. Although at face value, the fact that you responded to why you thought the No lynch was a good idea seemed believable to me, it struck me as odd that you thought you didn't see a Cop/Doctor setup(setup A) and that sent you on a full Google search for Mafia strats and that's how you came up with the NL. Mate, couldn't you just check the OP and see at least one setup did in fact have a cop + doc? And in an open setup game, how sure can you be that any of the 3 setups is the one we're playing? The only way you'd know that is as scum. Was that a slip? The rest of your posts are responses and defenses to questions about your opening, and summaries. I could maybe be convinced to lynch but the fact that you are asking questions of Damdred as well as responding thinks you might deserve a Lil BoD for D1, at least. Suspicious, not really seeing Town, could lynch.

Trfel -

On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote:
Continuing my previous post:

Trfel - I don't know what to think of you from post to post. The early vote on Geript had me uneasy for the same reason I suspected ExO in my last game. Maybe it is a personal preference but early votes on Day 1 just dont feel right to me. You had nothing to go off of except a statement made pre-game. Had you just left it up until this point, I'd be even more skeptical but you unvoted. Because you finally started discussion or to try and get out of the spotlight? Regardless, I like the dialogue it has generated, as a lot of people commented on it, and as I read on, I feel I answered my own question, as you seem to have no problem staying in the spotlight, even after backing off Geript. I'm not convinced you're Town but you're talking and not shying away from questions. Not a good D1 lynch but null because nothing in particular about you is jumping out at me as town.

GB - Another null, but leaning scum. I don't know you and my first impression was this guy is drinking beer and on TL. Only a diehard townie would do such a thing. However, reading your filter showed me how wrong I might be. Numerous one liners, unexplained reads, going from questioning Trfels opening as his prior coach of his to "definitely Town." You keep going at the lurkers and although I do agree lurking and inactivity is suspicious, I also believe that if scum is actively posting, it would be low hanging fruit for them to push a quiet or inactive Townie. There is nothing clearly indicating to me whether you are scumhunting or mislynching. One of the only things I found myself agreeing with you on was LS's BS meter question being pointless and getting him nowhere. However, in past town games of his I dove and the last Newbie, he doesn't fear saying and asking what is on his mind, even something as trivial as that. If anything, it rings more towny to me that he is literally spewing out whatever on his mind as soon as it enters his mind, as a town coach told me to do this once upon a time. You apparently have played with LS before(correct me if I'm wrong) so I expected you would see this before I did. Unless you don't want to see it?

Also, the parallels drawn between you and Trfel's entrances by others don't sit well with me. I don't want to immediately sheep WW's reads on you 2 because I haven't fully looked into him yet but as of right now, without more meat from you(your last post that I'm aware of was asking DP for his reads, but you've only explained reads on LS and WW and a one liner about "Town" Damdred being inquisitive, please explain the rest of yours), I could be convinced to lynch you. You seem more interested in other people's reads now than explaining your own. You flipping scum would also make me lean that much more towards Trfel being scum.

Breshke and LM need a bigger thread presence. Leaving work in 2 minutes but when I get home, I'll be able to see what was posted and respond if I have to. I haven't refreshed since I posted so I know where to pickup from.

On January 19 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:
Catching up from my last post. In response to your question of whether town or scum would think their posts through more.

DP - I find that Townies, especially paranoid townies, will second guess and double check and triple check everything someone is saying and doing. Our goal is to actively find scum and you don't do that without really thinking out your questions and responses. Scum does have to think out their posts, too, but I have also seen scum hastily post up a few thoughts just to increase their presence in the thread before fading back into the shadows.

On January 19 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:
Damdred - I don't really like your last few posts either. GB brought a weak case against you and tried to push you and although you defended yourself, you went the extra step to say he is probably Town for this? You yourself said scum likes to paint townies as townies for free cred. You're also not sure who you want to lynch and haven't voted. I haven't, either, but I've already said I wanted to vote GB or LM. Are you just going to try to jump on the safest wagon?

I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play.

On January 19 2015 06:04 The Shining wrote:
GB - You said you were coming at lurkers. Since then, I've posted a read on you leaning scum and asked you why the LS BS meter comment was something worth mentioning when it is LS, a player who in my short experience experiences with him seems throw whatever is on his mind out there.

You haven't so much as acknowledged me since except to say if you can't lynch Damdred, you want to push the lurkers in Breshke or myself. Why am I not seeing any pressure to do so? You voted Breshke but didnt respond to who addressed you directly. Instead, you made a weak case IMO against Damdred who has repeatedly said he is meh and burnt out. I'm not sure how much credit I want to give Damdred for those excuses but he did mention to me when he coached me last game that he was burning out. He also mentioned it when he convinced me to sign up for this game. I'm not fully buying it yet but in a scenario where you are scum and he is town, it seems like easy pickings to pick on a Town you've played with before, use meta as reasoning for him flip flopping on lynching you and take advantage of him not being as invested in the game as he could be.

On January 19 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Any thoughts about jarjar fake claiming as mafia with like 7 minutes left. I have a tinfoil theory..,

On January 19 2015 10:38 The Shining wrote:
Lmao did you just quote Damdred, say the exact same thing and call it Simple Fact #2? Not alignment indicative at all, just funny as hell.

I'm looking at the unvote and the context for the timing at EoD for when it happened. I'm not particularly sure where the scum motive would be in putting yourself up for Lynch unless you knew ahead of time someone would come to your rescue. It is a hugely risky move but one I wouldn't put past Damdred if both of you were scum. That being said, I don't know enough about GB to be certain that scum GB would be bold enough to pull that off.

Eh. I probably won't post again until I get home from work. I need some time to really analyze the votes and a couple of other posts in the thread and I cant at work. Not convinced GB is town but I'm finally starting to let the idea marinate, I guess.

On January 19 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Any thoughts about jarjar fake claiming as mafia with like 7 minutes left. I have a tinfoil theory..,

On January 19 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote:
I have to cover all of my basis though, and we actually need to analysis the claim.

Firstly, there are two possible scenerios that involve a tracker. One is Cop tracker and one is tracker doctor. I thought about it as JarJar softing, but he cannot possibly know still that a medic exists in this setup as we are down to a 50/50 if he is the tracker. If we see a doc/cop flip obviously hes mafia, there might be something there and its still possibly a scum slip instead of a soft. I know it sounds tin foil, but its something we have to consider down the line and JarJar isn't confirmed if he isn't shot obviously. And if cop flips and doc flips.outs we at least have one mafia already there. So just figured I would talk it out before moving down.

Trfel should be the lynch tomorrow, maybe LM, and we still have to evaluate a couple more people. I'm going to heal Dp tonight obviously, hes the most towny person in the game.

I"m not sure if we should kill breshke tomorrow I like some of his posts but we need to pressure him a bit more, and talk me through your EoD rsoultin.

On January 19 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote:
I have to cover all of my basis though, and we actually need to analysis the claim.

Firstly, there are two possible scenerios that involve a tracker. One is Cop tracker and one is tracker doctor. I thought about it as JarJar softing, but he cannot possibly know still that a medic exists in this setup as we are down to a 50/50 if he is the tracker. If we see a doc/cop flip obviously hes mafia, there might be something there and its still possibly a scum slip instead of a soft. I know it sounds tin foil, but its something we have to consider down the line and JarJar isn't confirmed if he isn't shot obviously. And if cop flips and doc flips.outs we at least have one mafia already there. So just figured I would talk it out before moving down.

Trfel should be the lynch tomorrow, maybe LM, and we still have to evaluate a couple more people. I'm going to heal Dp tonight obviously, hes the most towny person in the game.

I"m not sure if we should kill breshke tomorrow I like some of his posts but we need to pressure him a bit more, and talk me through your EoD rsoultin.

On January 19 2015 11:58 Damdred wrote:
whoa whoa whoa, firstly i'm not claiming doctor. That sentence must of been autocorrected or something, the gist is correct as I think dp is the most towny and should be healed. But i'm not the doc.

On January 19 2015 11:58 rsoultin wrote:


Eh, messy.

Was trying to work out my thoughts with Lonemeow (ironic, I know) since the only one I was pretty sure on was Trfel, but no one wanted to lynch him and I didn't have any further arguments apart from what I already posted. Plus, yeah, I get stubborn and tunnel about people being insincere, when their words don't line up with their actions.

GB never felt like a good lynch to me. I didn't want to lynch LS. I feel I've got a pretty good tone read on my brother, so I didn't want to lynch JarJar. And no, I didn't want to lynch WW either. I actually was still deciding what to do when JarJar claimed and didn't see it until I'd already changed my vote. There was something like 90 seconds left at that time.

If anything, I found the lynch immensely frustrating. And much as I think that geript can't be scum unless I'm wrong on either JarJar or GB, that trfel in two pools thing still is niggling at me. It may not mean anything, though, odd as it seems and much as geript didn't want to actually explain it ><

On January 19 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:

Well in the post you said you were going to heal DP and idk how it would of been auto corrected to that unless you are posting from a phone.

On January 19 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:

Well in the post you said you were going to heal DP and idk how it would of been auto corrected to that unless you are posting from a phone.

On January 19 2015 12:02 Damdred wrote:


Yes i'm posting from a phone.

Why would you draw attention to this during the night?