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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2015 03:57 GMT
#941
On January 19 2015 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:47 rsoultin wrote:
Ninja'd

Lol, if you're scumreading me you're wrong -shrugs- That said, have at it.


I just said I was going to read your filter and stuff. Why so ultra defensive about it?


Ultra defensive would not be that post. I actually encourage you to read my filter. I've never come close to being mislynched, with the exception of a shenanigans vote in response to a hammer vote, and I doubt that will change this game.


It's a fucking weird/excessive reaction to an off the cuff statement.


You're entitled to your opinion.

Who of the trains do you think was scum, since you think all of them can't be town?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 19 2015 03:58 GMT
#942
Damdred - Rushing to post this before I leave work. At first glance, I want to jump all over Geript for how hard he tunneled and pushed WW. It feels too easy to scum him for this without rereading everything on him until now. For me, this WW mislynch is deja vu. Tubesuck tunneled on WW, pushed him hard, everyone jumped on it, we lynched our Vet D1. This time he was VT. I gave Tube BoD for it and he actually was VT. This makes me think Geript will end up flipping VT but like I said, it's more based off last game than his posts and actions. Intend to get to that when I get home.

DP - Yeah, I entertained the idea of Damdred and GB scumming together. It feels too unlikely. There would have to be a lot to go perfectly right for them at EoD for both of them to be on wagons and run the risk of one of them dying. Not impossible, just too statistically unlikely D1.

I'll expand on this post at home.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 19 2015 04:02 GMT
#943
On January 19 2015 12:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Both GB and Damdred look towny and productive after the lynch as does shining out of nowhere.

The problem is that I find it impossible to believe that on day one we had a town/town/town/town wagon.

Gonna have a read of rsultin overnight.

Will give you some sort of last will and testament for after I get shot tonight.


Before night ends, could you tell me what you think about my initial post on LM and JJB's claim? Its bare, as I plan on elaborating when I'm finally told and comfortable, but you said you find it impossible that all wagons were town. So which do you feel weren't, if any?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 19 2015 04:07 GMT
#944
On January 19 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:47 rsoultin wrote:
Ninja'd

Lol, if you're scumreading me you're wrong -shrugs- That said, have at it.


I just said I was going to read your filter and stuff. Why so ultra defensive about it?


Ultra defensive would not be that post. I actually encourage you to read my filter. I've never come close to being mislynched, with the exception of a shenanigans vote in response to a hammer vote, and I doubt that will change this game.


It's a fucking weird/excessive reaction to an off the cuff statement.


You're entitled to your opinion.

Who of the trains do you think was scum, since you think all of them can't be town?


Dunno. It seems really unlikely that 4 wagons were all town.

But Damdred and glowingbear seem townie since the lynch.

JJB is an un-counterclaimed tracker

And the War Waffle flipped town.

So unless one of damdred or glowingbear is actually scum ( which makes no sense unless they are both scum, which also makes no sense.)

Or JJB is counterclaimed, I guess every wagon yesterday was on a townie which means everyone should take a step back and re-evaluate your reads.

Which is what I plan to do tonight.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2015 04:11 GMT
#945
On January 19 2015 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 19 2015 12:47 rsoultin wrote:
Ninja'd

Lol, if you're scumreading me you're wrong -shrugs- That said, have at it.


I just said I was going to read your filter and stuff. Why so ultra defensive about it?


Ultra defensive would not be that post. I actually encourage you to read my filter. I've never come close to being mislynched, with the exception of a shenanigans vote in response to a hammer vote, and I doubt that will change this game.


It's a fucking weird/excessive reaction to an off the cuff statement.


You're entitled to your opinion.

Who of the trains do you think was scum, since you think all of them can't be town?


Dunno. It seems really unlikely that 4 wagons were all town.

But Damdred and glowingbear seem townie since the lynch.

JJB is an un-counterclaimed tracker

And the War Waffle flipped town.

So unless one of damdred or glowingbear is actually scum ( which makes no sense unless they are both scum, which also makes no sense.)

Or JJB is counterclaimed, I guess every wagon yesterday was on a townie which means everyone should take a step back and re-evaluate your reads.

Which is what I plan to do tonight.


Fair enough. I've been doing some of that myself -_- But honestly probably won't dive until tomorrow. Little worn out right now. I agree that Damdred and GB almost definitely have to be the same alignment, and it seems to be a ridiculously high-risk move for scum. (Plus I don't really read GB as scum anyway.)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 19 2015 04:29 GMT
#946
I wish I could somehow pull off such a double bus as that. It would require such balls that I just don't I could do it and not blink lol.

Anyway theres one wagon that we all jumped off of right as it was forming and that was LM. I think it ended up tied with me right before everyone jumped on jarjar.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 19 2015 04:57 GMT
#947
I'm somewhat breaking my promise about not doing a ton of quotes in a post but i'm going to hide them behind spoilers to make readability better.

Going into EoD, I had a few problems with LM.

These problems were mainly, a disconnect from the game. The catch up posts were incredibly behind and out of context they looked ok but in context seemed really disjoined and didn't flow well with the thread. Wasn't really interested in interactions much going into the day either.

I decided to look into EoD for LM and a few thing struck out at me.

The last quote in the spoilers is interesting to me, the vote hinges on WW voting with his scum read on tr. When if you check the votes and pay attention WW was on GB well before Tr even made a move that way. So it was an excuse to strengthen a mislynch which is telling to me, why lie and over explain your vote?

At the start of the quotes (previously jarjar was only mentioned twice and never was really sure if it was a scum read or what but was non committal) Asks why wouldn't you lynch jarjar, makes some noncommittal marks about somewhat scum reading me because it looks like my train is about to take off.

Next quote is a inconsitancy as LM never said that he didn't want to vote Jarjar, and also I think the train was going against GB and it was better to say I shouldn't be the lynch at this moment.

Overall it looks like someone just trying to find a safe spot for a vote, lying and over explaining everything while not really trying to rock the vote while parroting at points to.

pretty sure this person is scum. Quotes are in filter

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On January 19 2015 03:45 LoneMeow wrote:
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On January 19 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:27 LoneMeow wrote:
rsoultin, so if I somehow manage to convince you to not lynch me, and Trfel isn't viable either, who's the next best choice?


I've looked at GB. I can see the complaints, but I think they've been overstated.

I've looked at you and my main issue was you didn't seem to care. Trying to help me find a viable lynch would go a long way to help change that opinion.

I won't vote for JarJar or LS today. I don't like a push on Shining, either, though I'm less certain on him. WW I think is probably town or he has a weirdly aggressive scum game lol.

Getting itchy feelings about Damdred...can't pin down why.

I want to hear Geript's poe. He told me that he looks for towns when he plays instead of scum, and lynches from what's left. I'm not sure that I'm seeing that this game, tbh.


Definitely not lynching LightningStrike today.
Why not jarjarbinks? As a matter of fact, I do agree with that, but I want to hear your reasons.

I need to reread Damdred and geript.


On January 19 2015 06:47 LoneMeow wrote:
Not lynching Damdred today unless there's something new on him, I quickly read his filter and I think he's more likely town than not.

I prefer jarjarbinks over GlowingBear despite what I said earlier about not wanting to lynch him today. jarjarbinks just seems to be making apologies and sitting in the background whereas GlowingBear is very vocally pushing for his lynch.

##Vote: jarjarbinks


On January 19 2015 06:57 LoneMeow wrote:
Wait, TheWarWaffle was actually voting with his previous best scum read Trfel? Yeah I'm ok with lynching him.

##Unvote
##Vote: TheWarWaffle

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 19 2015 05:19 GMT
#948
People comment on this and by over explained probably overly justified is a better phrase
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 19 2015 05:19 GMT
#949
Geript could you talk me through how you came to the conclusion we was better than all the other trains?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 19 2015 05:49 GMT
#950
Just woke up I'm the middle of the night and I'm completely awaken. I have no idea of what is happening.

Anyway, I'll lynch anyone who says Jar jar is the tracker because he is un cc. That's not the thing.

But STOP TALKING ABOUT ROLES AT NIGHT!

Sincerely,
Adorable Bear.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 19 2015 05:57 GMT
#951
DP, why do you respect geripts opinion so much?
I'm adorable.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 19 2015 06:24 GMT
#952
On January 19 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote:
DP, why do you respect geripts opinion so much?


Cause I think he is a good player and once someone proves that to me I respect them.


"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 19 2015 06:26 GMT
#953
Any thoughts on what I posted
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
January 19 2015 06:26 GMT
#954
Sorry for not being around at EoD was at work and phone died.

GB could you explain your read on me im not sure if im misunderstanding but you seem to be flip flopping and i havnt seen reasons for it. (Also what is it with me and trying to lynch power roles day 1??????)

Also GB do you still scumread geript? I think you are town and he led a wagon off you albeit onto another town but i still don't see the scum motivation behind this.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 19 2015 06:29 GMT
#955
On January 19 2015 15:26 Damdred wrote:
Any thoughts on what I posted


It's not very convincing honestly. I looked at LM when people were trying to lynch him and decided I didn't want to lynch him. I'll take a look at him more closely when I do my big read through later.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 19 2015 06:31 GMT
#956
Why didn't you want to lynch him
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 19 2015 06:33 GMT
#957
On January 19 2015 06:39 DarthPunk wrote:
@ geript.

I don't like this post

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On January 17 2015 21:16 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 17 2015 19:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts.

Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now.

Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow.

CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE

Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does.

DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought.


So your major reads are a summary of what people have done so far? No one is scum or town? Then why call them reads?


Because it isn;t what I thought when I saw JJB's list when I read it I was like this dude is just paraphrasing geript.

and his follow up is wishy-washy

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On January 17 2015 22:18 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 17 2015 22:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 17 2015 21:16 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 17 2015 19:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts.

Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now.

Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow.

CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE

Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does.

DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought.


So your major reads are a summary of what people have done so far? No one is scum or town? Then why call them reads?


And what do you make of it?


It's on the scummier side of things, as scum he'd want to look like he's giving reads even when he really isn't. However, knowing his play in the previous game it's not as conclusive as it could be.


I like thses posts though

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On January 19 2015 00:44 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 18 2015 12:36 Breshke wrote:
TOWN

Trfel : Trying to change his play seems towny to me. I think as scum he would be more wary of doing this because as we have seen people would notice the change and ping him out for it.

LS : His meta case on me is bad in my opinion but it is the conclusion i thought he would come and to me shows he is trying to work out alignments and stuff not just trying to look town.

Damdred : I liked his case on Cool and the fact that he made people discuss it. Even though we know it was wrong I found myself agreeing with it and Cool would have been my top scum if he was still alive.


On January 18 2015 15:07 Breshke wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 DarthPunk wrote:
K I just read all of Lightnings filter twice and he is not really scum hunting at all. Most of his contributions are talking about how many games people have played in/ played with him in and he talks A LOT about meta.

Can those people town reading Lightning please give me some in depth reasoning for those town reads. Cause I can't see it.


I read him town for some weak meta case on my being more lurky as mafia. I expected someone to try and come at me because of it and thought it was towny. That's actually a fairly shit tier read though because it isn't actually alignment indicative. Would need to look more into it but i wouldn't call him town anymore.


This progression on LightningStrike is is just pure bullshit. "Weak meta case" when he's in your strong town category, really? And if you actually had read his previous town games you would have instantly seen that he's playing exactly like he has done as town so far.

I'm fairly sure you didn't actually bother to get any kind of meta on him, just used that as excuse for a town read. Scum like to do that.

##Vote: Breshke

GlowingBear, I am sorry for doubting you


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On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff?


Other thoughts, well.

LightningStrike looks town by meta.

DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games.

Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait.

rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh.


Seems like good reads for the mos tpart and displays a kind of fearless tone I would expect from town.

These posts:
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On January 19 2015 03:16 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:12 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff?


Other thoughts, well.

LightningStrike looks town by meta.

DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games.

Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait.

rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh.


Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^


Ah, I must've misunderstood Breshke's post. English isn't my native language. Let me rethink.


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On January 19 2015 03:18 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:16 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:12 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
.,.so you have no thoughts on anything else just spamming about older stuff?


Other thoughts, well.

LightningStrike looks town by meta.

DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games.

Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait.

rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh.


Okay, LM, please clarify your vote on Breshke. The way I read it, you were saying Breshke had a weak meta case on LS, when the opposite was true. (Sorry LS, <3 you, but ^^


Ah, I must've misunderstood Breshke's post. English isn't my native language. Let me rethink.


Right, it's far less strongly implicating him as scum now that I understood correctly, although I still don't like the way he went from "LightningStrike town" to "wouldn't call him town anymore" without any real explanation on what caused the shift.

For now,
##Unvote

Show he is willing to re-evaluate based on new or different information


I actually wouldn't want to lynch him today.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 19 2015 12:24 GMT
#958
On January 19 2015 15:26 Breshke wrote:
Sorry for not being around at EoD was at work and phone died.

GB could you explain your read on me im not sure if im misunderstanding but you seem to be flip flopping and i havnt seen reasons for it. (Also what is it with me and trying to lynch power roles day 1??????)

Also GB do you still scumread geript? I think you are town and he led a wagon off you albeit onto another town but i still don't see the scum motivation behind this.


Just a feeling. I remember you being more inquisitive in other games.
You have a tendency of lynching power roles. It's in your blood. At least you will be okay as mafia.

I scumread geript for jumping the wagon against me for no reason. I don't know what to make of the vote count yet. I'm gonna filter dive him soon to re evaluate.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 19 2015 12:27 GMT
#959
On January 19 2015 15:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote:
DP, why do you respect geripts opinion so much?


Cause I think he is a good player and once someone proves that to me I respect them.




He is also a good scum player.
As you seem to have a good grasp on his gameplay, could you tell me what in his play makes yu think he is certainly town to the point you would blindly follow him?
I'm adorable.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 19 2015 14:53 GMT
#960
On January 19 2015 21:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 15:26 Breshke wrote:
Sorry for not being around at EoD was at work and phone died.

GB could you explain your read on me im not sure if im misunderstanding but you seem to be flip flopping and i havnt seen reasons for it. (Also what is it with me and trying to lynch power roles day 1??????)

Also GB do you still scumread geript? I think you are town and he led a wagon off you albeit onto another town but i still don't see the scum motivation behind this.


Just a feeling. I remember you being more inquisitive in other games.
You have a tendency of lynching power roles. It's in your blood. At least you will be okay as mafia.

I scumread geript for jumping the wagon against me for no reason. I don't know what to make of the vote count yet. I'm gonna filter dive him soon to re evaluate.

No it's me that have a tendency to lynch blues in a newbie but thank god we didn't this game. This was the first newbieish game where I didn't lynch blue Day 1.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
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