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On January 19 2015 12:01 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 11:58 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote:
I have to cover all of my basis though, and we actually need to analysis the claim.
Firstly, there are two possible scenerios that involve a tracker. One is Cop tracker and one is tracker doctor. I thought about it as JarJar softing, but he cannot possibly know still that a medic exists in this setup as we are down to a 50/50 if he is the tracker. If we see a doc/cop flip obviously hes mafia, there might be something there and its still possibly a scum slip instead of a soft. I know it sounds tin foil, but its something we have to consider down the line and JarJar isn't confirmed if he isn't shot obviously. And if cop flips and doc flips.outs we at least have one mafia already there. So just figured I would talk it out before moving down.
Trfel should be the lynch tomorrow, maybe LM, and we still have to evaluate a couple more people. I'm going to heal Dp tonight obviously, hes the most towny person in the game.
I"m not sure if we should kill breshke tomorrow I like some of his posts but we need to pressure him a bit more, and talk me through your EoD rsoultin. Eh, messy. Was trying to work out my thoughts with Lonemeow (ironic, I know) since the only one I was pretty sure on was Trfel, but no one wanted to lynch him and I didn't have any further arguments apart from what I already posted. Plus, yeah, I get stubborn and tunnel about people being insincere, when their words don't line up with their actions. GB never felt like a good lynch to me. I didn't want to lynch LS. I feel I've got a pretty good tone read on my brother, so I didn't want to lynch JarJar. And no, I didn't want to lynch WW either. I actually was still deciding what to do when JarJar claimed and didn't see it until I'd already changed my vote. There was something like 90 seconds left at that time. If anything, I found the lynch immensely frustrating. And much as I think that geript can't be scum unless I'm wrong on either JarJar or GB, that trfel in two pools thing still is niggling at me. It may not mean anything, though, odd as it seems and much as geript didn't want to actually explain it >< Look at Russian Mafia for geripts last scum game, it was a really good scum game for him one that he probably should of hard carried to the victory. Honestly its one of the reasons hes not my #1 town, he makes me more paranoid than HF does as scum I think. Its a pretty small lynch pool for you tomorrow then?
I think I already mentioned that it is. I don't see the value in lynching people on paranoid whisperings right now when no scum has flipped yet.
If you read my filter (which I thought you said you were?) I already mentioned the people I didn't want to lynch a few times. Most of them I consider to be players who are often misread as scum, like LS and yes, my brother.
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On January 19 2015 12:02 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah, I guess you're right, Damdred. It could be a false claim, technically, since mafia knows the setup. Just not sure where that gets us? Do you want to proceed as if it were false?
Why do you think that Trfel is the lynch tomorrow? You got onto us for not being willing to lynch inactives last game, and we've only got two mislynches left before scum wins.
Obviously jarjar will be alive tomorrow more than likely just for wifom if hes tracker and more than likely he will be blocked if he is the true tracker. I'm not going to give scum strategy so we shouldn't talk about it to much in depth, but until we start seeing some flips of another power role we need to just ignore it for now more than likely. I don't have much to substantiate with but the "softing/scum slip" earlier makes me a bit weary to believe the claim.
We have little inactives, I think we can eliminate shining from lynch tomorrow. Breshke needs a good day, LM needs a decent day. Those to me are our really only inactives and they aren't spammy but are here if we have a cop I would check one of them and hope to get lucky.
Trfel has been the least interested in the days activity I think, and has really changed the play from all of the other games I played with him in. Even in the last newbie it seemed very similar to carol/last student mafia. Was pretty strong even if he wasn't as inactive, and as blue in carol he was really strong. This just seems like a weird mirror like performance, playing down his ability no real scum reads sheeping instead of pushing. Being wrong is good in mafia it helps you get more information instead of laying back
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Heres my list currently from most town to lynchable
Damdred
DP
GB
Geript
Rsoultin
Shining
LS
Breshke
LM
Tref
I'm leaving jarjar out currently because unless we have a doc flip+red check on someone we should ignore his alignment and if we get a counter claim obviously. I'm not so sure we should lynch breshke but i'm having a hard time because of where my town reads are currently.
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On January 19 2015 12:09 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:02 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah, I guess you're right, Damdred. It could be a false claim, technically, since mafia knows the setup. Just not sure where that gets us? Do you want to proceed as if it were false?
Why do you think that Trfel is the lynch tomorrow? You got onto us for not being willing to lynch inactives last game, and we've only got two mislynches left before scum wins. Obviously jarjar will be alive tomorrow more than likely just for wifom if hes tracker and more than likely he will be blocked if he is the true tracker. I'm not going to give scum strategy so we shouldn't talk about it to much in depth, but until we start seeing some flips of another power role we need to just ignore it for now more than likely. I don't have much to substantiate with but the "softing/scum slip" earlier makes me a bit weary to believe the claim. We have little inactives, I think we can eliminate shining from lynch tomorrow. Breshke needs a good day, LM needs a decent day. Those to me are our really only inactives and they aren't spammy but are here if we have a cop I would check one of them and hope to get lucky. Trfel has been the least interested in the days activity I think, and has really changed the play from all of the other games I played with him in. Even in the last newbie it seemed very similar to carol/last student mafia. Was pretty strong even if he wasn't as inactive, and as blue in carol he was really strong. This just seems like a weird mirror like performance, playing down his ability no real scum reads sheeping instead of pushing. Being wrong is good in mafia it helps you get more information instead of laying back
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Forgive me if this sounds crusty but why the hell are you coming to this conclusion now when I've been saying it all along? >< I stopped pushing trfel because I couldn't get any traction and started wondering if I was just being a stubborn ass again and blind to what everyone else was seeing.
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Damdred - Yes. I'm leaning you and GB as slight town after getting my responses from you two. I'm not sure how much weight I'll put into the D1 tracker claim from JJB but its definitely something I want to vet. Hard. If it is a true claim, it was mentioned scum might leave him be and RB him. I want to see how and why WWs wagon picked up after the claim from Jar Jar and if any voters look like scum trying to jump on a wagon to save scum JJ with his possible fake claim. I leave work in an hour so a few hours after that, I can dig into votes more in depth.
The last minute vote and timing of LM and subsequent disappearance makes it possible this was a mafia lynchtrain as well. Again, need to look more into LM once I get home. One of these 2 is scum, just not sure which. And I agree that JJ living through tonight doesnt automatically mean he is scum.
Also, LS, that seemed like a horrible play if you're really Town. Whether Damdred was bread crumbing, hinting at it or it really was just a typo, the fact of the matter is it wasn't obvious until you yelled "HEY DID YOU JUST CLAIM DOCTOR?!" so now the entire thread, including scum, saw it. I really don't like the feeling I just got from you doing that.
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Which obviously after looking back on shinings filter and seeing my mistake at the read and his explanations+replies had me move him back towards the lower side of my towny list. And LS shouldn't be lynched obviously
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On January 19 2015 12:13 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:09 Damdred wrote:On January 19 2015 12:02 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah, I guess you're right, Damdred. It could be a false claim, technically, since mafia knows the setup. Just not sure where that gets us? Do you want to proceed as if it were false?
Why do you think that Trfel is the lynch tomorrow? You got onto us for not being willing to lynch inactives last game, and we've only got two mislynches left before scum wins. Obviously jarjar will be alive tomorrow more than likely just for wifom if hes tracker and more than likely he will be blocked if he is the true tracker. I'm not going to give scum strategy so we shouldn't talk about it to much in depth, but until we start seeing some flips of another power role we need to just ignore it for now more than likely. I don't have much to substantiate with but the "softing/scum slip" earlier makes me a bit weary to believe the claim. We have little inactives, I think we can eliminate shining from lynch tomorrow. Breshke needs a good day, LM needs a decent day. Those to me are our really only inactives and they aren't spammy but are here if we have a cop I would check one of them and hope to get lucky. Trfel has been the least interested in the days activity I think, and has really changed the play from all of the other games I played with him in. Even in the last newbie it seemed very similar to carol/last student mafia. Was pretty strong even if he wasn't as inactive, and as blue in carol he was really strong. This just seems like a weird mirror like performance, playing down his ability no real scum reads sheeping instead of pushing. Being wrong is good in mafia it helps you get more information instead of laying back ... Forgive me if this sounds crusty but why the hell are you coming to this conclusion now when I've been saying it all along? >< I stopped pushing trfel because I couldn't get any traction and started wondering if I was just being a stubborn ass again and blind to what everyone else was seeing.
Nights the best time for re-evaluation and talking through your reads and scum hunting more I say. If I get shot I need my thoughts out there anyway.
there felt like a good bit of resistance to a tr lynch, and I felt LM and cool was scummier at the moments, after a relook at tr filter I found a lot of scum traits. also I considered tr was a blue so I didn't want to bring it up but then I checked on his other blue game and it directly mirrored his VT game even though he was more absent in carol he bled town whenever he was there. Not so here, I think hes scummy now though. And I was halfway afk through most of th eday
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On January 19 2015 12:13 The Shining wrote:
Damdred - Yes. I'm leaning you and GB as slight town after getting my responses from you two. I'm not sure how much weight I'll put into the D1 tracker claim from JJB but its definitely something I want to vet. Hard. If it is a true claim, it was mentioned scum might leave him be and RB him. I want to see how and why WWs wagon picked up after the claim from Jar Jar and if any voters look like scum trying to jump on a wagon to save scum JJ with his possible fake claim. I leave work in an hour so a few hours after that, I can dig into votes more in depth.
The last minute vote and timing of LM and subsequent disappearance makes it possible this was a mafia lynchtrain as well. Again, need to look more into LM once I get home. One of these 2 is scum, just not sure which. And I agree that JJ living through tonight doesnt automatically mean he is scum.
Also, LS, that seemed like a horrible play if you're really Town. Whether Damdred was bread crumbing, hinting at it or it really was just a typo, the fact of the matter is it wasn't obvious until you yelled "HEY DID YOU JUST CLAIM DOCTOR?!" so now the entire thread, including scum, saw it. I really don't like the feeling I just got from you doing that.
Do you think that the train was started by a scum in geript or scum just took advantage of it?
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On January 19 2015 12:17 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 12:09 Damdred wrote:On January 19 2015 12:02 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah, I guess you're right, Damdred. It could be a false claim, technically, since mafia knows the setup. Just not sure where that gets us? Do you want to proceed as if it were false?
Why do you think that Trfel is the lynch tomorrow? You got onto us for not being willing to lynch inactives last game, and we've only got two mislynches left before scum wins. Obviously jarjar will be alive tomorrow more than likely just for wifom if hes tracker and more than likely he will be blocked if he is the true tracker. I'm not going to give scum strategy so we shouldn't talk about it to much in depth, but until we start seeing some flips of another power role we need to just ignore it for now more than likely. I don't have much to substantiate with but the "softing/scum slip" earlier makes me a bit weary to believe the claim. We have little inactives, I think we can eliminate shining from lynch tomorrow. Breshke needs a good day, LM needs a decent day. Those to me are our really only inactives and they aren't spammy but are here if we have a cop I would check one of them and hope to get lucky. Trfel has been the least interested in the days activity I think, and has really changed the play from all of the other games I played with him in. Even in the last newbie it seemed very similar to carol/last student mafia. Was pretty strong even if he wasn't as inactive, and as blue in carol he was really strong. This just seems like a weird mirror like performance, playing down his ability no real scum reads sheeping instead of pushing. Being wrong is good in mafia it helps you get more information instead of laying back ... Forgive me if this sounds crusty but why the hell are you coming to this conclusion now when I've been saying it all along? >< I stopped pushing trfel because I couldn't get any traction and started wondering if I was just being a stubborn ass again and blind to what everyone else was seeing. Nights the best time for re-evaluation and talking through your reads and scum hunting more I say. If I get shot I need my thoughts out there anyway. there felt like a good bit of resistance to a tr lynch, and I felt LM and cool was scummier at the moments, after a relook at tr filter I found a lot of scum traits. also I considered tr was a blue so I didn't want to bring it up but then I checked on his other blue game and it directly mirrored his VT game even though he was more absent in carol he bled town whenever he was there. Not so here, I think hes scummy now though. And I was halfway afk through most of th eday
Meh you townreading trfel when you and I were both in the same games with him was one of the main reasons I kept waffling on you, and I kept trying to sideline it by telling myself I could be wrong about him.
If this is a deliberate change in his play as town, after this game someone needs to give him a good kick in the rear. He was more helpful living 1-2 days and getting shot by scum than he's been this game -_- He was awesome as a blue in carol and didn't vomit crap into the thread
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You were in the last newbie game with him I believe, how different do you think his play is from there to here? (he claims he played bad in that newbie game as well)
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On January 19 2015 12:22 Damdred wrote:
You were in the last newbie game with him I believe, how different do you think his play is from there to here? (he claims he played bad in that newbie game as well)
Didn't you read it?
Regardless, he couldn't be as active because of returning to school, but when he was he was a pretty solid voice of reason, even if he didn't come up with any of his own scumreads, and the very first odd thing he pointed out ended up being a post from one of the scum players.
He may genuinely feel that he didn't do as well as he could have, but his instincts were still excellent even without much time to evaluate the thread. I want to townread him because I feel I can trust him to temper my stubbornness when I'm town. But as hard as I've tried I can't, and I haven't had any trouble doing so before.
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EBWOP:
When he and I are town.
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On January 19 2015 09:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote:
Usually Scum wouldn't unvote and let themselves be the vote leader with a few minutes left.
^ I had no scum motive to Unvote damdred and let me be the leading lynch. Simple fact number 2.
What if you are both scum?
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Both GB and Damdred look towny and productive after the lynch as does shining out of nowhere.
The problem is that I find it impossible to believe that on day one we had a town/town/town/town wagon.
Gonna have a read of rsultin overnight.
Will give you some sort of last will and testament for after I get shot tonight.
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On January 19 2015 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 09:39 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote:
Usually Scum wouldn't unvote and let themselves be the vote leader with a few minutes left.
^ I had no scum motive to Unvote damdred and let me be the leading lynch. Simple fact number 2. What if you are both scum?
Ignore this, this is likely impossible.
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On January 19 2015 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 09:39 GlowingBear wrote:On January 19 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote:
Usually Scum wouldn't unvote and let themselves be the vote leader with a few minutes left.
^ I had no scum motive to Unvote damdred and let me be the leading lynch. Simple fact number 2. What if you are both scum?
Do you think that's the case?
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Ninja'd
Lol, if you're scumreading me you're wrong -shrugs- That said, have at it.
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On January 19 2015 12:47 rsoultin wrote:
Ninja'd
Lol, if you're scumreading me you're wrong -shrugs- That said, have at it.
I just said I was going to read your filter and stuff. Why so ultra defensive about it?
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On January 19 2015 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:47 rsoultin wrote:
Ninja'd
Lol, if you're scumreading me you're wrong -shrugs- That said, have at it. I just said I was going to read your filter and stuff. Why so ultra defensive about it?
Ultra defensive would not be that post. I actually encourage you to read my filter. I've never come close to being mislynched, with the exception of a shenanigans vote in response to a hammer vote, and I doubt that will change this game.
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On January 19 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On January 19 2015 12:47 rsoultin wrote:
Ninja'd
Lol, if you're scumreading me you're wrong -shrugs- That said, have at it. I just said I was going to read your filter and stuff. Why so ultra defensive about it? Ultra defensive would not be that post. I actually encourage you to read my filter. I've never come close to being mislynched, with the exception of a shenanigans vote in response to a hammer vote, and I doubt that will change this game.
It's a fucking weird/excessive reaction to an off the cuff statement.
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