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On December 30 2014 02:39 geript wrote: Fwiw ppl can shadow me if they want. First cum first service. o hai | ||
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Literally the only hesitation is that I can't believe he would play exactly the same for another game running. Nothing else is very interesting. Chyz gets time. DrH didn't demonstrate Chyz was mafia, just maybe that he made a read he shouldn't have. tbc. | ||
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I am a bit suspicious of geript too, but I don't know if it's because he's actually scummy. His wanting a bunch of ppl to turn up because he's so good at reading them reminds me of Russia Today where he said very similar things about being good town and being able to read certain people. but maybe he can do it as town also, just i haven't seen anything else to make me think he's town this game. tbc. | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: so Lazer monkey one of your main points about chyz is that he didn't have a town/scum read early on and didn't give it till someone pushed him, yet you are also unable to give a read on any of the 3 main protagonists in the early game. (eden, drh and rit) . So you are scum to? anyone you feel good about qt? | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:53 Damdred wrote: Good morning my friends, i'll be haphazardly here all day. Sadly I have to work tonight and its one of the busiest days of the year haha. So lets get to it The ritoky and Dr. H fight wasn't as pointless as people think. It left a very distinct taste in my mouth about both of their alignments. In carol (Ritokys most recent mafia game) I caught ritoky for being super passive, with no follow up and no real push early on to speak of and only when confronted with this information he would passively give a wall of text to explain away what he was doing. You can look at Season of a witch I believe and see the same thing in his scum game. So i'm leaning more town on ritoky due to the fact that he said someone was acting scummy and went after said person instead of dropping it, he had really good follow up at this point even if the avenue he went down was really a different approach than what I probably would of done. Dr H reaction to some of the things left me feeling a bit weird. Firstly he seems to have a deep suspicion of Ritoky after the conversation is starting to calm down a bit and even says that Ritoky looks bad. But you never really get a sense about what his read is, their really is no follow up besides DrH saying that he is just going to ignore Ritoky trying to do things from this point forward, which he ends up trying to explain himself a few posts later but then drops it. From all of the interaction with Ritoky (good or bad) he should of been able to formulate some form of opinion on Ritokys alignment. And yet right after the fight has affectingly ended he calls Geript scum but never pushes it at all and then moves on to chyz. Im going to put him in the leaning scum category here. Geript just lacks something right now, hes not quite as posty as he normally would be and is really tight lipped about his thoughts. Also his post about being ableto read Palmar koshi etc really ruffled me a bit and reminded me a lot about when he was scum in russia. Hes in the leaning scum category presently can you tell me what was "really good" about the followup, damdy? | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:59 justanothertownie wrote: Chyz you are literally OMGUSing every new guy that calls you scum aren't you? tbh it's a wonderful style | ||
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why do you think i said it's wonderful | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:32 IAmRobik wrote: Can we stop talking about DrHelvetica...there's no way he doesn't believe what he's saying about TheChyz...regardless of whether he's right or wrong actually i think DrH is quite capable of doing just that as mafia. I just don't think it's this game :p | ||
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bit associate-y. | ||
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And I might lynch any uber-lurker before either of them. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:59 IAmRobik wrote: marv, can you carry me through d1 and then I'll carry the rest of the game. I'm glad we rolled the same alignment possibly. depends how heavy tonight is :p | ||
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because your contributions have been very easy to make and you're essentially attacking the same post that others have (sound familiar?). Whereas Chyz is still here plodding away. I like that. Not sure if it makes him town yet, but it does lend itself to explain my statement there | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:20 IAmRobik wrote: I'm not even scummy. Get your head out of your ass Let me help Robik Artanis[Xp] 0/17 = 0.0000% Can't we just lynch Artanis? It's a win/win situation. Either he's town and we break his streak or he's scum and we get closer to winning. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I know that. I think this is scum play not bad town play. I don't think a townie would reach the same conclusions and express them in the same way as TheChyz did. If this gains no traction I am going to rewrite my case ad nauseum because I am about 80% convinced which is good for this early in the game that's a disappointing climbdown from 100% sigbet worthy | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'll still sigbet, that's pretty good odds. Have anything useful to say yet marv my lynches bring all the boys to the yard, and damn right, they're better than yours? | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:18 justanothertownie wrote: How is marv fearlynching? Are you for real? if there's not a decent answer from geript following this post somewhere, he should die with great fire and brimstone | ||
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On January 01 2015 08:55 Eden1892 wrote: someone who wants to kill Lazermonkey please explain why, tia! I only read his filter so I don't know the context of his posts but I don't really see anything wrong with that he's doing. he's the very definition of a background player. | ||
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in what way am I fearing the lynch? | ||
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On January 01 2015 23:52 IAmRobik wrote: When I get night killed tonight, don't forget that plammmmar is mafia not a bad read. | ||
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On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi again. I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can. As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! i like this post as long as there's followup. | ||
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I take this back. Not explaining why for now. | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:30 geript wrote: This is part of it. Wait maybe I'm being dumb. Maybe he can only fear lynch me if he's town. It's cutting out my reading, but you were quite impressed with my scumplay last game. *brushes shoulders off* So what you've raised the bar for reading me town; which btw is illogical because I would've been townread in Russian despite you raising the bar but eh. You better be town dear or I've just out thunk myself. wat? | ||
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is that really it? | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote: Lynching Marv is a terrible idea btw. why? I mean naturally I agree, but why | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote: Marv, can I hear your opinion on batsnacks? I think his posting should mean he is mafia if we just go by meta, but I'm not really sure that he is after all. I'll try to explain more when I've finished reading the thread. | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:37 justanothertownie wrote: Do you agree that his defense of you looks fishy? i think it looks the sort of defence either alignment can make tbh. | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote: Marvs towngame is to play well and very active. Marvs scumgame is to not do jackshit. What do you think he is doing this game? jat this is so weak -.- | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote: No, it is simply the truth and you know it. yes, but it's weak as shit to be using it on this particular day. bad jat. | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:42 justanothertownie wrote: Noted. I would really love to hear that. I have a similar feeling about him. Actually more unsure now I read his filter as a standalone. Kinda very straight up, not really ruffling play which is classic mafia bats. And the thing that made me think he's town was actually a terrible reason now i'm reading it again: I thought "this is so wrong, this makes me feel town on bats" just because it's the sort of thing he writes. now the reasoning feels a bit silly. dno, bats could be mafia but i'm not feeling it for some reason. some tone shenannies. his play is oddly in-between meta though. might make some sort of list. | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: any thoughts on my two posts about bats? i feel like his reads are forced or just one size fits all throwaways "this is a really awkward and conspiritorial argument" - you're using that as an argument for mafia but in bats' case it's usually an argument for him being town. tis why it's tricky. | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:55 justanothertownie wrote: I guess he keeps town on a need to know basis... ha! | ||
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On January 01 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote: *robik - made it to almost 2 pages of his filter while complaining about not having time to play, could have spent time playing. promises to wreck, worth waiting until tomorrow to see because strong town player. town pile* what the fuck is this read? | ||
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people i don't want to lynch for some reason: 1; Koshi 4; Artanis[XP] 6; Marvellosity 7; justanothertownie 8; IAmRobik 10; Palmar 11; Damdred 15; KelsierSC 17; DoctorHelvetica 18; Eden1892 Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up: 5; Lazermonkey 9; TheChyz Wat r u doing 2; GlowingBear 14; Vivax 19; RebirthOfLeGenD 20; Superbia Some PoE title: 3; Geript 12; batsnacks 13; sicklucker 16; ritoky I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:31 justanothertownie wrote: I also don't know if I like the list but it looks almost exactly like mine so I am fine with you. Do you have a specific reason for the Eden read? I wasn't sure of his attack on Chyz at the beginning, but his posts since all sound natural. I also think the evolution of his Chyz read is townie - it actually looks like he's interested in his alignment, rather than trying to paint him as one or the other. if you read your filter yourself you'll see what i mean. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:34 geript wrote: It's quite possible that I just decided Marv was mafia because he felt off. Meh. Wouldn't be the first time I've jumped to conclusions. That said, his list is awful. feeling really good about it actually. is attacking me your only way out at this stage? is jat scum for agreeing with my list in its entirety? | ||
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Quite often the opposite actually. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:39 justanothertownie wrote: Hmm. If it wasn't Eden we are talking about I would agree with this very much and in fact he also is on my do not lynch list still but I feel like he is considerably less towny than he was in heavyweight. I checked and the only difference between our lists is damdred. Why is he on yours? damdred read is thin, but he's trying enough for me not to wanna go near lynching him today. i can't imagine the world where i decide to lynch Damdred today, which is what that list is essentially saying | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:41 geript wrote: Look Here's my specific issues with the list. I'm in PoE, which I guess is explainable. Batsnacks idk. Haven't seen traps but as I recall he hasn't really be doing much of anything. When I reread sicklucker I think he might be town. I forget why, but it wasn't terribly memorable. Bat/rit both feel like coin flips instead of solid PoE targets. Plus, he's got Eden and kelsier as town. Kelsier might be when I reread him before crashing last night, but Eden's in a weird spot. I don't think Eden's town. It's even more troublesome that Marv finds Robik to be town. Robik is 0% town. Serioiusly. Town Robik is all over the place. He's aggressive. He does stuff. He pushes opinions. He's an overall jackass (much like myself sometimes). This game Robik doesn't care whatsoever. Robik hasn't posted much and he doesn't care. That's quite definitive of his scumplay. Koshi, he might be town, he might be scum. I'm really unsure because he's so convinced I'm mafia. Maybe it's just me who's exceptionally off this game, but it's really weird that both Koshi and Marv haven't picked up on or pushed Robik. It's really weird that Koshi comes in and thinks Eden is bad and then thinks he gets better. He started bad and then goes into lala land. your first paragraph is terrible especially, because it essentially describes the exact reasons that batsnacks and sicklucker have arrived there sicklucker isn't memorable and batsnacks isn't doing anything, and you can't see why they've made it to that list? for realsies? | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:42 geript wrote: Nah, Damdreds town. I'd stake 45% of my reputation on it. 45% of 0 is still 0 bbz | ||
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##vote: geript | ||
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nope. | ||
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actually i am marginally town on Robik, but either way i don't want to lynch him today. try harder geript. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:49 Palmar wrote: How are we looking on the lynch geript thing? good. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:50 Palmar wrote: If he's town, you're mafia. 100%. Just lay down and die if he flips town. don't think role PMs change regardless of anyone else's flip actually | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:54 Koshi wrote: One can simply not go around statistics. 1) geript has never been wrong on marv when he is town as he claims. 2) marv lynches scum as town. Combined we got a 101% chance that marv is scum when geript is town. geript has never been town in a game when i was mafia and he's called me mafia plenty in those games. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:10 Palmar wrote: Why do you care? You know geript will flip mafia as per my case, unless you have doubts about your case on geript?????!!! i barely read your case | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote: It's your case if he's town, so you should probably read it. but if it agrees with me it's probably not important, so why should i? | ||
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1 fake e-sports dollar says you can't though. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote: what if they are just objections for the sake of objecting/trying to discredit you? If geript is mafia I'm sure he could just work around your list. There are enough people on your list to work with. what? | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:22 justanothertownie wrote: True but you have to realize that this does not necessarily make him mafia. i don't think town-geript bullshits reasons on multiple people on my list if he is town. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:23 Palmar wrote: If geript is town, JAT is confirmed scum too. can't put my finger on it, but somehow it's hard to take you seriously ![]() | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:28 sicklucker wrote: Id be cleared too hum... Think id be down with this hes my #2 atm anyway hmm. why are you scumreading me when my top 2 scumreads seem to be the same as yours? | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:38 sicklucker wrote: Like marv on those first posts lynching you over robik as geribt wanted was more as policy because up to page 50 as of last game you would have been a great policy. Like in geribys shoes up to page 50 why do you ever push a 2 page filter robik who promised to step his game up on day2 over you who concedes as mafia. tbh i'm slightly baked and i can't quite get what you're getting at | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:05 ritoky wrote: drH do you think geript is mafia? O.o | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:11 batsnacks wrote: I think it would help you -a lot- if you tried making your case without using quotes at all. good post the problem when you tear apart every single thing is that all it demonstrates is your bias, and then it's hard to read | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:50 batsnacks wrote: Go fuck yourself chyz holy overreaction | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:53 GlowingBear wrote: Filter length is alignment indicative for marv. Even he admitted it on Russia Today. You were ther, dude. He had 11 pages of filter. He has 3 here. This not being discussed goes towards the scenario where marv is mafia. I can't believe in a world where scum wouldn't pick this up and try to get marv lynched day one. It means a lot. is that because that's what you would do as scum? ... when do you think the last time i got lynched as town was? | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:57 GlowingBear wrote: Oh so you're here! Why are you not helping with the lynch? Lurking much? i'm enjoying my holiday with the other half ^^ we should lynch geript because i'd have to be severely overestimating him if he's town here, and I know and said in Russia that I'd made the mistake of underestimating him. There's just no town-fire geript at all here. | ||
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GlowingBear geript Vivax Superbia LazerMonkey something like this right now. Less sure on geript than before because i found myself agreeing with artanis' point about how geript was neither really afking or fighting, but doing something in between. I don't know if this is a strong point to believe in though. Superbia's play is difficult to place because from my memory of him he doesn't do this as either mafia or town. But this lack of interest comes more likely from mafia. Lazer made some sort of effort when the heat was on him, and then nothing really subsequently. Koshi's push on Vivax is good, specifically it's hard to believe that Vivax couldn't understand what Chyz did from a town perspective. ritoky just exists and has done nothing worth remembering since his list post with a bunch of extremely odd reads. GB essentially opted out of all conversation by attacking me and doing this really weird about-turn on geript. the lynch should be between ritoky/GB tomorrow | ||
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if you're calling me mafia for those reads that just makes you bad. which is fine, but that's on you. | ||
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in ritoky's case (which was not very townie) - "he shenannied on to bats for no reason" - well, maybe there weren't extended reasons why bats was scum, but i don't even have to go back and read sl's filter to remember why he did it. that's a total mischaracterisation of what sl did. are you telling me you never shenannied on to a lynch because all your townreads suddenly switched to it? | ||
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just so i can prepare my body appropriately. | ||
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On January 02 2015 21:54 Vivax wrote: No it's not so far from deadline and without having exhausted all possibilities and it surprised me. If this is going to remain your only argument say it cause then I can deliberately further ignore any pushes on me since I'd be talking to deaf ears. Your argument for LM being scum is another than what me and snax used? there's a significant difference between "surprising you" and "this makes me think we should lynch him" it surprised me too. | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:05 Koshi wrote: None of these were on batsnacks yesterday. if geript is scum their is a BIG chance that sickluster/robik voted for batsnacks to save him. Or anybody. But nobody??? then we can revisit if geript flips mafia? you think this is some sort of final answer or something? hello? | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:17 Koshi wrote: batsnacks got lynched with 1 vote more than geript. You think geript is mafia. I don't understand how you put 6 names in red and don't entertain the idea anywhere that there is mafia on geript. I have to point it out. It doesn't matter what geript flips in the future. You have geript as mafia & batsnacks got lynched with 1 vote more than geript. Yet your list doesn't take this into account, or any post you made takes this into account. I find this sloppy scumhunting. no, it's not making associative reads before a flip. yours is the sloppy scumhunting. check yourself koshi. people on the list are there for standalone. did i give some thought to whether, if ritoky flips mafia, that makes Superbia more or less likely mafia for his vote on ritoky earlier in the day? maybe, but it's not relevant yet. or that vivax was on lazermonkey's balls at some point? does that make a difference? or is it nothing because Vivax moved on to someone else later? maybe, maybe not. later. | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:33 KelsierSC wrote: SL, eden, Robik and Dam need to be seriously considered. They did pretty much fuck all d1 until the very end where they came up with awful reasons to switch onto Bats SL "my 4 town reads voted him" SL I would lynch immediately. that in no way makes sl mafia though. re: eden. I like that he got stuck back in quite soon after the lynch being productive. i think he looks fine. | ||
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but you are very likely to be town. kelsier: actually i find 4) comes from town more usually than mafia. Palmar does it as town all the time for instance :p | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:58 KelsierSC wrote: for realz? Alright.... as for 3 he gives dam a town read at the start because Dam made a joke. Looks like a contrived easy town read that is mafia indicative. He even thinks this read is a good enough basis to switch from his own scum read (geript) onto bats. meh, maybe? the last sentence is a bit of a reach though. i really think moving on to a wagon of someone you don't have a townread on because a bunch of townreads are on it is not a scummy thing per se. i mean if geript is town isn't there very little point moving to bat when you've been on geript a lot of the day, and therefore isn't your read on sl conditional on geript being mafia? | ||
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On January 02 2015 23:04 KelsierSC wrote: yeh i already said i think geript is scum, like start of day fine, but you said "we should lynch sl immediately" when it seems at least partly to be a conditional read of yours, so from your perspective it should make sense to lynch geript immediately. | ||
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slam seemed to finalise what the roleset was in the thread, if you read his filter. it's not 100% clear but it looks like that's how it went. | ||
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On January 02 2015 23:49 Koshi wrote: a 2 shot vigi. It's in the OP............................. factional KP isn't though | ||
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On January 02 2015 23:57 Koshi wrote: I wonder if geript will be able to explain why marv is scum. Based on actions. Not on omgus or other silly things. if he mentions "fearing the d1 lynch" one more time, i'll day-vig him with this gun i definitely have. | ||
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jat is town, as fearsome as his mafia game may be, he's not 16 pages before day 2 starts on a NYE start good. fin | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:04 Palmar wrote: Yes, I have a few strengths and a few weaknesses in mafia. List of weaknesses: 1: I'm terrible in the mid-game, because I can't tell dumb from scum. So I repeatedly lynch people who don't agree with me. 2: I generally give one mafia a free pass for no good reason 3: I ignore mafia all the time. When I have players I've mostly ignored, those players often tend to be mafia (think superbia this game). So yes, I know that there is a possibility you're dumb town. You're either dumb town or scum. And I just have to roll the dice. Of all the people on that shitty wagon, you're the one who should have had the sense to actually get things done properly, but you didn't. I don't think you're dumb JAT, so by process of elimination, you must be mafia. stop it right now. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Like Palmar sure bitching a lot about a lynch he wasn't interested in participating in. Like I get time constraints, but he didn't seem super interested in the lynch when he was around, so the amount of bitching is disproportionate. have you met Palmar dear? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:11 IAmRobik wrote: I think I'd lynxh te shit out of kelsersc. I'd also look into sickly jet for clearing me for my vote. My vote looks really bad if geript is scum he's my top town 'splain yourself. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:18 IAmRobik wrote: God like how does town!jat ever make this post? who cares? it's irrelevant. it's like when people call me mafia when i have a zillion page filter. i could post the scumQT and i'd still be town. jat does not and cannot post in this quantity as mafia. that's two reads robik that you're being weird on. sup? | ||
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actually, the boot is on the other foot. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:25 IAmRobik wrote: I thought you were participating. I was wrong all your reads seem to be shit. and they're not usually. that says more about you than it does me. Robik | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote: Like this game is actually madness. My only decent town reads left are like marv and robik and now they want to kill each other. i thought you were suspicious of me for my read on you? | ||
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On January 03 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote: Yes his noisy presence when I attempted to analyse Eden's posts in thread bothered me and now that I see evidence for him claiming to have some sort of interest into figuring Eden out but then doing exactly the opposite you can expect some more hostility from me. lol is this even a post? | ||
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this is some world class reaching I'm reading right now | ||
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can it? | ||
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yes it all hangs together. | ||
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On January 03 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote: And in the meantime, can someone explain what was so bad about the batsnacks lynch? I still think it was acceptable and the only bad part about it was the flip. Still think my case on batsnacks was okay and I feel like it's a little cheap that a bunch of people logged on after batsnacks flipped and waxed poetic about how terrible a lynch it was without even engaging what was (in my perhaps-biased opinion) the most influential singular post in getting him killed. Like if everyone's going to decree this lynch bad, it seems like questioning me about my case would be an obvious starting point to finding out if the batsnacks lynch was town- or mafia-driven. I was the most outspoken singular person in the final hour of the day for killing batsnacks, I wrote the biggest case that people seemed to follow. Yet as far as I'm aware not one of the people complaining about the lynch has asked me anything about it. It makes all this gnashing of teeth about the lynch ring incredibly hollow, like people are complaining about it because it's the in thing to do instead of trying to figure out what it means for the game. this is a good post. | ||
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On January 03 2015 08:59 geript wrote: Marv/Palmer, can you guys explain what I'm missing on Eden? dunno, read his posts? | ||
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On January 03 2015 09:09 IAmRobik wrote: i like how you say i'm bad and making weird reads when you end up coming to the conclusions I arrive at hours later. A+ work marv. Keep it up like what? | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I find it weird how Palmar/Robik/Vivax all jumped on JAT at pretty much the same time. I have a retarded theory about that that I can only share post-night. Agreed with Marv that especially Vivax' case was reaching. Palmar's feels genuine. I remember him making a post about making no shenannies at night. Unfortunately, I'm a bad boy. ya. they're all pretty terrible but it's a Palmar-type read so I'm eliminating him. if Robik is town I'm gonna have to adjust my expectations for him down accordingly, but it may just be possible that he's town given Vivax. 1/3 pushing jat like a weirdo seems more likely than 2-3. anyway, we need to kill vivax and not falter. 2 basic reasons 1.a different reaction to basically everyone bar DrH on Chyz 2.the terrible push on jat, particularly twisty shit like jat already demonstrated of cherrypicking his filter 3.koshi will be mad and he's a qt if you're not gonna vote vivax, you need to explain *extremely* clearly why ##vote: Vivax | ||
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On January 03 2015 15:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: y'all overreact to these flips also this | ||
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On January 03 2015 15:01 KelsierSC wrote: Eden didn't know your alignment so I town read Eden before he made the post on you. I kind of liked point 3 initially but I don't really think that much of it anymore. I don't like you at all. why don't you think much of it anymore? | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:20 KelsierSC wrote: Too many people want to just afk vote vivax here and do nothing. Why so lazy ? Marv how does koshi being town make vivax scum? Can you explain what is bad about his case on jat? No one considers the world where mafia kill.koshi to make.vivax seem bad Seriously? it doesn't? (koshi being town) what the poop is the point of wifoming about night kills? koshi isn't a surprising kill regardless of who he was pushing at the time, and mafia tend far more to kill people who are a danger to them then otherwise. tldr it's all wifom so what's the point in even speculating about it? did you not read Vivax pushing jat? Where jat pointed out that literally the next quote in his filter was a correction/disproved what Vivax was saying? the reasons are just so ungenuine. Vivax is a relatively solid townplayer and that push was... not | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:44 Superbia wrote: VE replaced who? hello. you have 6 posts. sup? | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:34 Vivax wrote: What am I doing wrong? Like, if you know better don't just stand around and tell me I'm bullshitting show me what I misunderstood and lead me to a better track instead of standing on the sidelines and just throwing around snarky comments. Show me why I'm wrong on JAT, or tell me where my argument is wrong, or tell me who a better lynch is who isn't me. I already explained the near 100% heuristic on why jat is not and can't be mafia. You're also picking holes in a townleader who took the time and effort to find a lynch at some ridiculous time of the morning. like i can't believe you're nitpicking shit and missing the bigger picture. it's the lack of big picture from you which is really concerning. | ||
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On January 03 2015 22:34 KelsierSC wrote: I did read the case I just wanted to see what you thought about it. I think night kills are pretty important to analyse. I mean before Koshi died vivax was a discussion to be lynched but I mean I think geript or SL or Dam were other names that I would have preferred to lynch, now no one gives a fuck about them and is like, lynch vivax AFK. SL I can sort of understand because the post by eden was good but like no one is even considering other people and that makes me pause for concern. @Vivax, Who did you scum read d1, was it a strong scum read? people aren't voting Vivax because Koshi died, silly. | ||
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On January 03 2015 23:07 Vivax wrote: And by the way in your opinion I'm only town when I piss you off with my stubborness and and you get me lynched for not playing to your fiddle? This post alone is reaaaaally bad. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. This and the fact that you don't agree with my reads are all the arguments you're bringing forth for me being mafia so I challenge you to find something better. It's like you're using the thread sentiment that most think JAT is town against me to make it to your point for why I'm mafia. If someone looks suspicious to me I'll point out why and if the majority disagrees idgaf, but calling me scum for it is wrong, in the worst case I'm just wrong, and you don't try to discuss my JAT read with me like Kelsier does simply cause JATs posting volume seems townie enough to you, when in truth it's all volume with only little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?page=137#2739 thx | ||
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ever? you might possibly be able to point to 1-2 HF games, what about the other 300+ that TL Mafia has played, do you know any? | ||
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can you answer my question? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?page=140#2784 | ||
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it's backed up by every TL mafia game ever it's statistics how many? "most active" is not subjective, it's a number | ||
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go find me that example, i assume you had easily the biggest filter that game? otherwise your example is invalid if in your example you were a) active around the lynch pushing things and b) had the longest filter, I will concede and we can talk. | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:01 Vivax wrote: I can try to find that game but longes filter doesn't apply here as JAT's filter is a museum of non-saying one-liners, you can't sell me that one-liners containing "wow" and "bitch pls" or "okay" should be added to filter length. yes, it applies. it doesn't not apply just because you say so. that's not how objective stuff works. | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv doesn't notice me skating. Notice me senpai! you have your very own special version. and lo, here you are anyway ![]() | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:25 Vivax wrote: I'm going to surpass JAT in filter size today so marv unvotes me or claims scum if he doesn't. as you know i'm a whore for filter length, so if you actually managed it i would have 2nd thoughts :> | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:41 Vivax wrote: Marv what happened to your geript read? kinda fell off it a bit like i mentioned during the night. not sure why other than what i said before | ||
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On January 04 2015 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote: No it means I think they're both influential and neither of them listen to a word I say ever. I listen to every word you say. I just happen to disagree a lot, that's all. <3 | ||
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On January 04 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: drh was town but fell off today -- explained by work, but whatever. We'll see what he comes up with in following days. that's about where i'm at. Eden was quite obviously my biggest town read yesterday, followed closely by DrH. DrH is probably still town, but like, it's annoying that he has fallen off so hard. I did my standard town!robik stuff in defending them adamantly against all stupid questions and pushes. DrH does that. At least in games I remember I remember him falling off horrendously (as town) after Day 1. Maybe like LX is an example? | ||
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On January 04 2015 06:11 justanothertownie wrote: Superbia is doing something he did when he was mafia the last time. Interesting. what's that? | ||
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On January 04 2015 06:12 Superbia wrote: Don't care about his explanation, I'm expecting the post to have some sort of paranoia in it, especially if you're forcing yourself to choose. I bring it up now because I only have time to elaborate on it now (admittedly, I had some time last night, but decided to afk out the night instead). why?! | ||
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On January 03 2015 08:59 geript wrote: Marv/Palmer, can you guys explain what I'm missing on Eden? On January 03 2015 14:48 geript wrote: Why would the medic heal anyone but Koshi? Why did they shoot Eden? That's a really out of place NK. pre and post-flip. are these natural? re: eden i mean. On January 02 2015 12:55 geript wrote: Is there a current vote count? I'd like to get off a good lynch but I don't think Chyz is it. On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote: Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? geript said he wanted to get off a good lynch and then afk'd until the flip? apologies if people have talked about this and i've not paid enough attention. | ||
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i'm trying to see if there's a world where geript and vivax are both mafia or if it's an either/or deal. the evolution of geript's read on Vivax is pretty odd towards the end of the first cycle. On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote: Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? can anyone find the rationale for this? | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: He says that it's based on Koshi's read essentially. where? mid page 5 of geript's filter Koshi is a mafia lean? | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote: You're asking why he votes in the first place then? well the progression seems to be that there are 3 people who are mafia (me, LM, Robik) while Vivax is generic "GTFO". Koshi is a scumlean. Several posts later geript is voting for Vivax even though I can't see anything related to Vivax in the interim On January 02 2015 09:49 geript wrote: I'm ok with both lynches tbh. It kinda sucks to have two martyrs and only one noose. Meh I'm not martyring. I'm just not really motivated to play right now and idk why. Like I've posted my best thoughts and the best strategic play for me is to get my points out there. Like I'm the obvious frame target so that means that any cop check on me is pretty questionable. So I have to hope that I'm a miller. Or that the cop doesn't come out. Just simpler to get lynched and solve the problem.[/QUOTE] i hate this too | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote: You're asking why he votes in the first place then? well the progression seems to be that there are 3 people who are mafia (me, LM, Robik) while Vivax is generic "GTFO". Koshi is a scumlean. Several posts later geript is voting for Vivax even though I can't see anything related to Vivax in the interim On January 02 2015 09:49 geript wrote: Meh I'm not martyring. I'm just not really motivated to play right now and idk why. Like I've posted my best thoughts and the best strategic play for me is to get my points out there. Like I'm the obvious frame target so that means that any cop check on me is pretty questionable. So I have to hope that I'm a miller. Or that the cop doesn't come out. Just simpler to get lynched and solve the problem. i hate this too | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: He voted in response to Palmar's rant about Vivax think, so if geript is town maybe Palmar swayed him? tbh i'm just thinking about geript right now. wasn't palmar's rant there about geript? Vivax was just an addendum... | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:30 sicklucker wrote: So we want to kill vivax because of koshi. But you guys all forget koshi wanted to kill gerit as well. So why not kill gerit who we individual thought was mafia not because of some wifmo shit? you're like the 5th person to utter this untrue statement what's with ppl? | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:41 Vivax wrote: Switch to geript and walk away. Also my filter is bigger than yours. pretty compelling :p just trying to find the spot where i was... | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote: The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit. to my great sadness, i don't think i've been mafia with palmar | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:54 geript wrote: This is patently untrue. I didn't realize there was a voting thread. If you follow my filter I voted in thread twice for vivax. Just consider my vote in thread the point at which it would've been in placed in the voting thread. Robik looks terrible but he has 11 pages. Him town reading Eden would be consistent with the NK on him if he's mafia. But he's a real pussy as mafia. I haven't read each Vivax post in depth. But from what I've seen today his unique point of view. Rather he's making bad but logical arguments. That's his scum meta where he loses his unique town perspective. Superbia looks just as bad still. His play actually heavily reminds me of DrH in bluelightz where (as mafia) he super raged for catching heat for being inactive and not voting. It's really out of place. I still think Damdred is town, but he 100% is red or blue. ignore me if this was answered after this post, but i still couldn't see why you were voting vivax at that point geript? | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:50 geript wrote: He was the best lynch on D1. I voted in thread a bit after I read Koshi's read on him. Then again after his second push and Slam's vote count. That reminds me I need to go back and read that section. I've been putting if off b/c I'm lazy. but you were suspicious of koshi at the time?? | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:08 ritoky wrote: 3) Talk is cheap, post flip-excuses are easy to find. Votes and vote logic or lack thereof are definitive things, SL drastically lacked. This is a person who is SO adamant about his own reads. He spent an entire phase developing a scum read on geript and from everything I have read up until here that read has not evaporated in the slightest. Only to defer to SOMEONE ELSE'S read that is based on meta. Like I cannot get over this. Why would he as town, with the way I remember him playing town, switch from a non-meta read that he devoted effort into developing to someone else's meta read? It makes absolutely no sense, and he is mafia for it. Even if I accept everything you say about how he plays town (which i don't particularly), you haven't explained at all why it would make sense for mafia sicklucker to do the same thing? You're just saying "I don't think town sicklucker does this" without providing any mafia rationale or motive | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:53 geript wrote: Initially yes, but he became very town koshi pretty quickly mid-late d1. the problem is your filter essentially reads like this. "koshi is a weak mafia read" -5 or 6 posts pass, no mention of either koshi or vivax- "##vote vivax" | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vivax was jobbed. I would like to lynch geript today and justanothertownie tomorrow. justanothertownie is 98% town I have never, not once, been wrong when I've given a value of 90% or over, or a marv-guarantee take that as you will | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:13 geript wrote: The timeline argument is the most damning. damning of what? | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:43 Superbia wrote: I'm not talking about lynching him today, the claim will sort itself out tomorrow. I'm just mad that the response to my questions is a cop-soft, which is ridiculous in its own way. well, your vote is currently on him, so | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:43 IAmRobik wrote: Who claimed cop? sl | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:52 justanothertownie wrote: Are you caught up? How much do you still need to read? just started p174 | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:54 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, hurry a little. I will not keep myself awake for much longer. reading goes as fast as it goes dear :p | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. you realise he hard claimed right? i literally just read it | ||
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On January 05 2015 01:33 sicklucker wrote: when? I differently never thought that because I know what I thought. I might have asked questions to help me figure out my next course I agree with dandred but ill hard claim but I kinda already thought I did | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:02 justanothertownie wrote: That's fair I guess. But you are still a great policy lynch. he's more than a policy lynch, as you point out yourself his anger/frustration reads as pretty unwarranted | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:19 justanothertownie wrote: It is especially awful that palmar is parking his vote on chyz right now btw. wtf yes... i've suspended thinking about it for now though | ||
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Why are you still so supersure of Vivax? geript: no comment | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:21 IAmRobik wrote: What do you mean by "now"? I sheep JAT d1. I'm sheeping deadtown!koshi d2. I've read most of today I think. "now" because i'm sure you promised sexyness today, and it's unlike you not to have given an opinion on basically everything that your mafia target has talked about | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:59 justanothertownie wrote: Did marv just magically disappear without pushing a lynch AGAIN? no i went to iron. hush yourself. | ||
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On January 05 2015 08:34 justanothertownie wrote: I will go to bed very soon. I would really appreciate an opinion until then. ##Vote: geript right now i'm looking at geript-GB-ritoky-superbia as targets | ||
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On January 05 2015 08:36 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, so we either lynch geript and finally get rid of the whole discussion about him or we lurker lynch? :/ you got it babe. I understand that doesn't sound amazingly attractive :p | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote: robik i am willing to wait a day on because i respect his aggro play as town, it makes an environment that is hard for scum to thrive in. he promises, if he doesn't deliver he dies tomorrow. plain and simple. i have some hesitations because he is doing a lot of reacting instead of acting which isn't his town style, but i am willing to hold off 1 day. are we to assume that ritoky is content that Robik delivered that today? | ||
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On January 05 2015 08:53 Superbia wrote: Of course I'm reading some people who are pushing on me as scum. It's absolutely great for scum to get a misslynch off on me in this situation. why are you voting for someone who isn't getting lynched instead of one of your mafiareads with a realistic chance of being lynched (geript)? | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll let geript get into the meta read thing because he pointed it out iirc. You've been abrasive in this game despite not contributing anything. Everyone you bitched about had contributed more to the thread than you such as There's really no reason to be frustrated about stuff like that when you've been afk for the first three days. Do you really think SL would hard claim cop as scum and trade himself for the real cop when he wasn't even in danger? That's almost too dumb to be scum tbh. if you answer anything, answer this. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:43 geript wrote: So stating that LM wasn't your green check was a scumslip. Thanks. Two down. you really believe this? | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:58 ritoky wrote: on phone, only have like 5 minutes. apparently SL claimed cop since i last was able to read the thread. guess he is not the lynch today, evaluate claim later. want to vote vivax, marv, maybe damdred. so for now: ##vote: vivax ew | ||
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On January 05 2015 13:54 justanothertownie wrote: lol what? Never ever would that happen. absolutely unbelievable. | ||
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On January 05 2015 20:03 Palmar wrote: I don't think superbia is a good lynch over multiple other candidates like gb, marv, ritoky and a few others. why don't you explain why GB is a better lynch than Superbia | ||
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On January 05 2015 20:24 IAmRobik wrote: I don't know why I need to "push" my read there. I explained I was sheeping. Everyone who provided original content did a really fucking good job of lynching mafia. You all should be so fucking proud. so what you're saying is, you shouldn't have to push your read to get him lynched? just shout at people from the sidelines? | ||
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On January 05 2015 20:37 Vivax wrote: Exactly what I criticized at EoD. All his scumreads he mentioned earlier were possible switches yet he didn't encourage shenannies on any of them but instead came back taunting us for lynching his not-scumread. What I berated about JAT is that he only started posting valuable things at EoD while during the day he didn't try to make out the better lynch between me and geript. Not exactly what I said but I was alluding to the generaly style of play in that he only seems to become active in steering a lynch when it's 5 minutes until 12'o clock, if you know what I mean. because it was difficult. I think it's pretty unfair to say he wasn't trying to figure things out, he just wasn't pushing hard. there's a difference. | ||
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On January 05 2015 22:30 sicklucker wrote: Lm has been hard defending super for no reason for a long time. this is a better reason to be suspicious of LM than what Vivax said. just because sl was potentially incriminating LM, that still doesn't mean there's more than a negligble chance that mafia randomly claims cop under no pressure. | ||
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On January 05 2015 22:39 sicklucker wrote: Ya I saw robik give you a chat shoutout then I said sup tl mafia and you all ignored me;( <3 | ||
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On January 05 2015 22:47 Palmar wrote: I'm just sheeping this guy has anyone ever told you you're hilarious? i'm guessing no | ||
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On January 05 2015 22:54 Vivax wrote: I said the same thing if you add a "maybe" and he used it as an argument for me being scum. Marv can you give us a take on VE as you two are buddies, I remember he was easily swayed from mine to geript's wagon but I totally don't recall why exactly he was swayed, I think he didn't say something like "Oh wow now I think Vivax is shitting townie bricks" so it kinda looks like he was just selecting between popular wagons. Probably not one that will help you very much. like your points on what he did might be valid, but i've never been able to read VE like that. essentially always on tone. i've had him kinda town on this basis for most of the game. the issue with this is that as my reads polarise a bit and there become better/longer reasons for people to be town, this gets weaker as something on its own essentially i'm a little worried i'm townreading him when he's mafia, but at the moment i'm still plumping town, and there are way, way better targets than VE anyways. | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:00 sicklucker wrote: Ok im not the cop you got me er | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:24 Vivax wrote: Can you explain to me what a tone read is? Also the blded part ishard for me to understand. lol. a tone read is just how someone sounds. i don't really know how to explain something so fundamental. i guess it would be, if you don't think about the content, how does that person come across to you? to the bolded: quick example. Day 1: "I think VE's tone is townie" - that's easily a good enough reason not to lynch someone. LYLO: "I think VE's tone is townie" - well, that's no longer enough on its own to save/townread someone. | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:27 KelsierSC wrote: tone is like tone of voice/post the bolded part is saying that a tone read works for a d1 read but as the days progress and we have more information such as votes/night kills then things like tone become less relevant. thx, you shall be my new spokesperson for marv-enterprises TM | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:30 justanothertownie wrote: The only thing you could do that is even dumber than the fakeclaim itself is rescinding at night. I have no words for this. mm. | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:34 sicklucker wrote: Na theres no double stacking and mafia knows im fake like 70% of the time. So were wasting are medic save if I dont out. Dont worry I have it alot of thought. how does that make sense? if you'd shut up you'd have been a likely hit AND save tonight | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I firmly disagree with that statement. explains a lot bbz | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:59 justanothertownie wrote: Now he is using his own WIFOM to cover his tracks. #highlevelplays | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:06 IAmRobik wrote: Cause you're not suspicious of me. Or you're mafia. Given that vivax wasn't lynched there's 0 reason to be suspicious of me. If vivax was lynched and flipped town, then there would be need to worry, but since everyone decided to not lynch him like dumb dumbs, there's nothing to be suspicious of i'm not sure you understand the game of mafia very well. | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:08 IAmRobik wrote: town sucks and does stupid stuff. mafia rolls because town doesn't listen to dead townies. I think i'm familiar with the game put it this way, someone's target flipping town is not the only reason to be suspicious of someone. In fact it's often pretty minor, as I think you know. And I also think you know that how you appraise your lynch/targets is relevant | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:16 Palmar wrote: Serious thoughts Robik. Do you think we should lynch marv? why don't you stop touting for support and actually try? | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:20 sicklucker wrote: Hey marv do you want to join team robik? I'm holding out on making my own team for team-marv vs team-palmar. watch this space. | ||
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because you're not usually scared of trying to lynch me. | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:24 Palmar wrote: Jesus christ, you fucking did. go on, this should be good | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:25 IAmRobik wrote: marv...thought dump NOW! i'm busy with something. if you have a specific question, shoot. | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote: See you are 100% correct. I have absolutely no problem lynching you when I think you're mafia. And you also know I'm completely useless when trying to lynch you when I'm mafia, as literally anyone can see if they go back and read world heavyweight. The problem is, as I've already explained this game, that I know you want to play a game of mafia where you are town and don't do much, just to break your meta. Last game we played where I got you on day 1 you actually made a very clumsy move early in the game with the "bitch" post. Now, the important part here is your sentence "you're usually not scared to lynch me". The simple fact that you said this must mean that you are mafia. The reason is that you absolutely 100% know that I am not scared of lynching you right now. The reason I haven't pushed it is because it took me 2 days to get my preferred lynch in AND because you simply haven't fucked up. I can only know you're mafia when something fits perfectly. Saying I'm scared is your version of slowplaying a suspicion on me, something you wouldn't do if you were actually town. If you were town, you'd basically have decided my alignment now. You'd have been certain since day 1 that I am incapable of doing what I've done this game as town. There's so many of the random tells that I know about myself in my town play this game that you would know. You just said something I KNOW you don't believe. You don't believe I'm scared of lynching you. There is no fucking way you misunderstood me consulting Robik and figuring out his opinion (which tbh, has more to do with HIM than you), as some sort of a weak attempt to gather support for a lynch on you. Holy shit, this may be the best case I've ever made. The problem is, you're not incapable of doing what you've done this game as mafia. The reason I townread you on d1 only works for me, in that you based your read on me on conditional reads compared to yours, which I thought would be difficult for you to pull off as mafia. also, come off it. Robik is not the first person you've asked about lynching me this game without a followup behind it. tldr: lol | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:43 Palmar wrote: Yes, asking people if they want to lynch you is a fine way of figuring out things about THEM, not about YOU. And again, I probably should've left out the part about you having long decided my alignment, scum or town, because that's not the core. The core is you don't believe that I am scared to try to lynch you at that point. I don';t believe this. How do you figure out anything about them without trying to figure me out? the last 2 games you yolo-challenged me to a duel d1, and pushed my lynch straight away d1. This game you're sitting in the background casually asking people about it. You've absolutely been scared to push me this game. | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:46 KelsierSC wrote: I could see marv and palmar being mafia here and just putting up this bullshit fight i could see you being a massive idiot | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:48 justanothertownie wrote: Oh god. Is it me or does this post really heavily imply that marv is scum? >_> wat? are those not the last 2 times Palmar pushed me as town? | ||
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you're being silly. the point is this: when Palmar has been town, he's treated me in x way (and yes i was mafia in those two games, dem's how the dice rolled) here he is treating me in a completely different way (even though he has called me mafia all game) | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:54 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, but I am also threating you differently. you've not called me mafia all game, as far as i can tell you want to lynch me when i've been away from the thread for a while, and then kinda townread me while i'm around even though you don't want to | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:57 KelsierSC wrote: hurtful. Anyway so I look at this game so far and we see D1 that the wagon is two townies so mafia doesn't really have to do anything, if you vote geript and leave it there you don't really have to do anything when the bats wagon starts. So did marv and palmar really do anything EOD, not really. so d2, both of them vote on viv but are pretty easily convinced to vote elsewhere, I didn't see effort put in at all in d2. Again with the lynch pretty firmly on geript there is no real reason to get involved. No it is n2, we have lots of vote information and plenty to go on and marv and palmar have an argument like. "you aren't pushing me so you are mafia" "why are you calling me scared , that makes you mafia" as far as i'm aware palmar and marv are good players and this ridiculous squabble is what they focus on. No I don't buy this argument for a second , it looks incredibly awkward and false. I could see a scum team that contains marv and palmar i'm asleep EoD, shockingly. also you need to play more games with me and Palmar. | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:04 IAmRobik wrote: This shit is boring. You even said it yourself -- palmar is the only one who is able to draw any conclusion from this bullshit tit for tat they have going. Marv is looking scummier from it because he said he's busy with plammmar, but he's not even interacting in a way that would convince the rest of us that plammmar is scum or that marv is town. furthermore, marv isnt' even expressing any opinions on palmar from it, just basically that palmar is dumb and that kelsier is dumb. You're fucking cool marv. do you ever get bored from being an enormous hypocrite, dear? | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:14 IAmRobik wrote: Yo. We are finally on the same wavelength i could spite lynch him. does that count? | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:16 VisceraEyes wrote: UNLESS YOU DISAGREE THEN DON'T CALL MY END DEVILISH! PERHAPS IT IS THE SAME END YOU SEEK!!! if it's not full facial then i doubt it | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:19 IAmRobik wrote: you don't "spite lynch" mafia. You lynch mafia cause thye're mafia. not sure exactly why you're taking my response to you changing my sentence so seriously robik | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:20 IAmRobik wrote: Still waiting for your thought dump marv....it's been 3 pages since your silly fight with plammmar ended my only important thoughts are who we should lynch. | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:23 IAmRobik wrote: no. who you think is town is also important. I'm gonna kill you tonight. Leave a legacy People town should never lynch: jat DrH sl People town should have to have amazing reasons to lynch because i really think they are town: Artanis Kelsier | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm doing stuff, that's false. I'm interested in the game as evidenced by my presence, so that's false. I exist regardless of my alignment. Also a terrible reasoning. You and marv die tomorrow. where the heck did this come from? | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote: You're hard defending mafia. You don't do that as town. Vis a vis.... mr 38 page jat is this? are you fucking insane? | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Have you seen his fucking posts? Fucking anyone can have 38 pages with posts like his. He's called posts of mine cute THREE TIMES! Fuck you if you think he can't do that as mafia. he can't. literally no-one can. Not even Holyflare posts this much and he is the postiest mafia ever. so no, he can't do this as mafia. stop being terrible. I don't hard defend mafia as mafia either. as you should know. | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Almost all of your "scumhunting skills" are subjective, being a meta magnate. Get over your one fucking read marv. but this one isn't, so why are you making stupid reads? | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Can you not think of a single reason marv? Really? do i need to leave this alone for now? | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know do you? What does your gut say? it says the holidays have been generous to it. let's continue another time. | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I get it. He's got some meta reason for thinking that "marv knows I'm not afraid to push him". Palmar is town here, and he's observed marv observing him pushing for marv's lynch as both marvTown and marvScum. He's operating under the assumption that marv as either alignment will have remembered these instances so knows when marv says "Palmar is scared to push" he knows it's false. It's not a difficult case to grasp, the question is: does it make marv mafia? DOES marv know Palmar isn't scared to push? WOULD marv say otherwise EXCLUSIVELY as mafia? I don't know, but Palmar seems to be sure. you're kinda ignoring the important part of what palmar has actually done about it this game | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote: The "nothing" part? I get that too. The thing is that he could just not be sure as town right? "marv is mafia but i don't want to lynch him today" you know he actually said that, right? | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I feel like he might have been joking at the time. Like not actually thinking you're mafia, just saying that. He's known to do so. I would know. why are you making excuses for him? it didn't look like a joke. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Like that's just how it seemed to me at the time marv, I'm not making excuses for him at all. Why are you asking ME about what PALMAR did in the first place and expecting answers if you don't fucking want them? because you're presenting what happened in a very one-sided fashion and I don't know why you're doing it. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:04 Vivax wrote: Marv's question to Palmar implied that Palmar was scum (cause afraid of pushing) TownMarv should already have a townread on Palmar since D1 based on some tells of which they share the knowledge. Hence, Marv doesn't believe that Palmar is afraid of pushing him, but still asks him if he is in an attempt to soft-push suspicion onto Palmar. This is my interpretation of the thing but I'd like if Palmar made that a bit more digestible. you should read the thread before getting your little dick hard about lynching me vivax. Palmar repeatedly retracted the part about how i should be townreading him. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:10 Vivax wrote: I'll leave that discussion to you two when he's back. I'm peacing out now. Mr.massiveDick. We have 2-3 kg of bacteria in our colon and rectum, be sure to brush off as many as possible with your massive willy. i'm more of a receiver cupcake | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I could feasibly roll with this. I almost agree with marv like, if he thought this he could have said it before now. The timing feels off. you do realise i said it because Palmar asked Robik about lynching me, yes? I rather think that's some lovely timing. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:13 IAmRobik wrote: Nah. I'm lynching Vivax...I'm just leaving the avenue open to possibly lynch you tomorrow if my uncontrollably big dick decides to swing in that general direction "uncontrollably" sounds awks | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:14 KelsierSC wrote: I'd like to hear what people have to say on my LM argument. Any reason why this guy lives tomorrow? LM has an ok shot of being mafia. ritoky and superbia have better shots. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:18 IAmRobik wrote: I don't know if marv sacrifices his rolling-town elation in exchange for a single game where he'll be able to win as mafia do you also think if I couldn't be assed playing mafia last time, I'd suddenly be on course for my longest filter ever as mafia in the very next game? ^^ (despite NYE+holidays) | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:21 IAmRobik wrote: Have I called you scum, clown? did I say you did, pooface? | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:23 IAmRobik wrote: do you know how many people are petrified of clowns. Pretty suer that's the most insulting thing I've ever said. Like, no one is afraid of a douchebag not me. I was about to tell you what i'm afraid of, but i'm pretty sure someone in the thread would bring pictures and I'd hate that. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:46 justanothertownie wrote: It wasn't actually that impressive or interesting. More like 2 toddlers fighting. *glares* | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:48 justanothertownie wrote: This is what happens when you don't read the game. I am the ONLY person that DID move the thread forward in the sense of finding a lynch EOD on both days. But I won't stop you from further embarassing yourself by calling me scum. like regardless of jat's alignment (which i've been quite clear about), saying jat has done nothing to move the thread forward is actually quite ludicrous. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:53 GlowingBear wrote: LOL I rest my case. you can't rest an invisible case. or at least you'll look really weird doing it. | ||
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On January 06 2015 05:37 justanothertownie wrote: Maaaaaarv? hai | ||
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On January 06 2015 06:31 Superbia wrote: I'll re-iterate that we should look in the direction of the wagon instigators tomorrow. I also kind of like Robik's point on the Koshi kill, but I'll have to double check Koshi's reads myself. who in particular? | ||
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On January 06 2015 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv I just found Robik to be mafia! Rejoice! hurray! | ||
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On January 06 2015 06:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Maybe I'm blind (I often am) but what post(s) are you refering to here btw? somewhere in robik's filter? by "talked about" i mean "mentioned" rather than some epic dialogue | ||
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On January 06 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you die tonight you'll be a dead townie and as Robik says we should listen to dead townies more. lol i c wat u did thar | ||
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On January 06 2015 07:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm reminded of Blazinghand putting down boxes in his house and taking a picture to tell the thread how he was moving. please don't remind me of that retarded town | ||
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On January 06 2015 18:54 Vivax wrote: Not even going to answer to marv as he's one of the guys who know my meta best. Similar to Palmar's weird read on him during the night, if he doesn't already have a firm read on me and asks me such questions that imply he's starting to suspect me, he's mafia. nice. no-one believes this though. for good reason | ||
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On January 06 2015 19:25 Vivax wrote: Usually you enjoy lynching me when you're town, even moreso when I call you scum and you're town so this makes you mafia too. But it's alright marv, you played decently, after you got all your kills it's time your team gets trashed a bit too, so just sit back and watch things happen. I still gotta figure out two of your buddies. you're cute and funny. | ||
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On January 06 2015 16:12 Vivax wrote: And if you want to know one example of how I play scum, here's the scum qt from Titanic mafia [some number]. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/8tECwNmGtaf7 Palmar: Yes, I am THIS bad and unmotivated at playing scum and I have a really hard time producing a lot of content when I'm scum. And when you say I'm scum this game after reading my scum games then you need to get your brain checked. There are worlds apart between my scum play and my town play. haaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaa earlier in the thread you argued with me, at length, about an example of yours where you were mafia and had a shit-tonne of posts and led the town astray with great aplomb now you try to use this argument that you're shit and unmotivated as mafia? my, aren't these arguments convenient?! | ||
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On January 06 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote: marv if you're town, why do you think you're alive? Like I know the same answer for myself, because I've been hilariously bad throughout this game. However it's totally within my meta to be bad occasionally. Not sure about yours. stupid question. i'm sure you can figure out last night's NKs for yourself. why are you even asking me this? there's no answer to be given, whether i'm town or mafia. | ||
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On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. you were town there? | ||
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On January 06 2015 20:04 ritoky wrote: yes i was VT, fake claimed cop with red check on someone, rescinded the red check and said actually had green check on diff person, then rescinded cop claim in night phase. not exactly same case as here, but similar enough to where robik should have freaked at least a little. So what are you doing? You spend multiple paragraphs throwing shit on sl for making a play that you also did as... town? Then Robik acted one way as mafia, and acts a totally different way this time, so he is mafia? How does that make sense? | ||
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On January 06 2015 20:12 Vivax wrote: It doesn't matter as I was talking about my general level of scum play to SL, overall I always have low activity and in that particular case I had a surge of activity when I saved Obi from getting lynched over another townie for obvious benefits. I never had the largest filter as mafia and I only made it once to endgame, that's a fact. then why the shit were you trying to use it as an example to counter my point about largest filter + trying at EoD? just randomly decided to ditch half my premise or something? | ||
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On January 06 2015 20:14 ritoky wrote: can't remember it exactly, hence why i am looking for it. i think i soft claimed cop with a check, but didn't want to out the check until later in the phase, he spammed me with caps until i outed the check. then when i changed the check he really wanted to lynch me but someone talked him out of it. then when i rescinded the cop claim entirely he went ape shit. don't quote me on that exactly though, like i said i haven't found the game yet. the thing is, right, what people say they would do when they're not in-game doesn't necessarily reflect on what they would do in-game, for a whole number of reasons the important reference is how they dealt with it in-game, and if they're dissimilar, then that's actually a decent argument for robik being town, primarily because he's not shitting the thread up about a claim that's actually very likely to make sl town. | ||
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On January 06 2015 20:29 ritoky wrote: i think post-game is more relevant because it is agenda-less and he has no reason to lie at that point. which should convey his actual feelings about claims like that. the fact that he is masking that here is odd to me. as i said, i am undecided on it leaning toward it making him mafia. it's not about lying or having an agenda post-game, the fact is the reality of playing a game is different to an outside view of playing the game. like i always think i should policy lynch x or y doing z things, or if x happened in the game then i'd do y. the problem is, in a game you're invested in winning, and you have your subjective reads, so even if i said before, with no agenda, that i should policy lynch x, if x happens and I'm townreading x, I'm very likely not going to follow through on my policy because I think he's town and i want to win. that was exceptionally waffly but what i'm trying to say is realities of in-game != how you want to play the game objectively outside-of-game | ||
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On January 06 2015 20:42 ritoky wrote: I still find marv being on the second wagon BOTH times as really bizarre and makes me for certain want to keep him in my scum pile. Like my eyes were drawn to it last time, and when I redid it with my top 3 town reads I noticed it again. You are aware that I go to bed several hours before deadline (being european), and on d1 batsnacks didn't have a single vote when i went to sleep, yes? it's like scumreading me for not being awake at 5am. it's ... ridiculous. | ||
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On January 06 2015 20:43 sicklucker wrote: Marv do you not remember how me and vivax used are lynch lists to solve the christmas game? Do you not see how hes blatantly not giving me his list this game yes. but Vivax is a stubborn ox in general and on that particular point, it doesn't make him scum. | ||
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On January 06 2015 21:51 Lazermonkey wrote: So If SL isn't cop, why are we not lynching him? why are you asking a question that I & others have explained repeatedly? | ||
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On January 06 2015 21:59 Lazermonkey wrote: SL was under heavy pressure when he claimed though. Trading 1-1 for a counter claim is really good in that situation. Can't post alot atm but yhea, SL is scum. he was under pressure from one person and had zero votes on him are you fucking serious? | ||
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On January 06 2015 22:04 ritoky wrote: he obviously felt he was under enough pressure to fake claim cop ![]() plus he had 2 votes on him you're right, my bad. he had 2 votes from the absolute lurkiest players in the game. That must have really ramped up the pressure. | ||
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On January 06 2015 23:49 KelsierSC wrote: I think it is weird that mafia used both shots last night. if there is a chance they believe SL to be the cop then isn't the right play to just use the 1KP that night and let the medic save him, then tonight they can kill SL and any confirmed towns. So this implies they absolutely know for sure that SL isn't the real cop unless they believe the vigi is going to get lynched today of course. I think you think about nks too much I will say I don't think I can remember an occasion where mafia held on to their vigi shots when they had them. People just like to kill when they have KP available to them, generally speaking. | ||
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can you think of any possible reasons? | ||
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On January 07 2015 00:11 sicklucker wrote: theres very good reasons. Like like had this horrible 2 hour convo that I highly doubt they fake as no one understood any of it. Gb your reads are shiy but you blatantly admit to not reading the thread so whatever. Your right about palmer at least. the thing is, if he's going to have scumreads on both of us, he should at least have had a browse through our filters... | ||
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On January 07 2015 00:18 GlowingBear wrote: I'm reading palmar as scum for only that post I've quoted I'm reading you as scum because you had no influence in those lynches + I don't see you actually trying to figure the game out + you're still alive Who are your townreads? I know you have a very good ability to find town but essentially all your reads are completely made up and you haven't gone back to double check anything like, i get being massively behind and you can't catch up on the thread. but it's like you have these reads without going back and checking anything, at all. like here you're asking me a question that you should absolutely know the answer to give I answered it in list form during the night phase. i can't tell if you're bad enough to scumread me without having read basically most of my filter. i hope not?.. | ||
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On January 07 2015 00:24 IAmRobik wrote: marv, why are you unwilling to lynch vivax. give me one good reason why you keep diverting attention off of him because ritoky is more likely mafia there exists the possibility that vivax just has a screw loose | ||
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On January 07 2015 00:50 IAmRobik wrote: 2; GlowingBear - lean scum 4; Artanis[XP] - lean town 5; Lazermonkey - lean heavy town 6; Marvellosity - step it up sson 9; TheChyz - unsure 10; Palmar - unsure 11; Damdred - unsure 13; sicklucker - lean town but unsure 14; Vivax - lean heavy scum 15; KelsierSC - lean town 16; ritoky - lean town 17; DoctorHelvetica - had the towniest town of any town d1 and is basically confirmed town even with the d2 drop off 20; Superbia - lean scum it's perfectly possible you explained this read somewhere before but pls do so again because i don't get it. | ||
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On January 07 2015 00:58 IAmRobik wrote: I don't know why anyone quits as town. I understand not wanting to play as scum. But town? That's the most fun role ever. YOU GET TO SOLVE THE GAME. i think sl is right, but i don't share the absolute conviction he does. chez replacing in isn't really a massive boon to trying to read that slot any more though :/ | ||
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On January 07 2015 01:04 IAmRobik wrote: He voted on vivax both days. IDK. Maybe I'm wrong and he just late-votes on his partner when there's no pressure on him, but there's no point of ritoky bussing vivax when vivax is an infinitely better player than him. There's no way ritoky is planning on winning the game as scum. Plus, if superbia is scum, I don't think he's with vivax this logic is terrible, because ritoky has this much thread-pull: so unless Vivax is in massive danger of getting lynched (which, in the end, he wasn't) then it's an extremely easy vote to make. the wifom is strong | ||
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On January 07 2015 01:13 Vivax wrote: Oh wait I caught iamp in smurf mini with a tone read.Nevermind, it's been a while pretty sure you caught him because he applied reasoning to one person and totally neglected to apply it to another | ||
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On January 07 2015 01:53 IAmRobik wrote: The amount of people deflecting off of you is absurd though. Like I can't imagine a world where you are town and NOBODY WANTS TO LYNCH YOU. HOW IS THAT FUCKING POSSIBLE. If you were town, lynching you should be like the easiest thing in the world. You know why it's hard? BECAUSE YOU'RE FUCKING SCUM this is an atrocious argument yet at the same time kinda compelling. still feel ritoky is a safer bet for mafia though :/ | ||
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On January 07 2015 01:59 Vivax wrote: But I am town and it isn't the easiest thing in the world. Why? Cause I play like town. Don't base your arguments on how hard or easy I am to lynch. Base em on how I play. pretty sure that wouldn't help :p | ||
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On January 07 2015 02:57 IAmRobik wrote: Like, at some point mafia is gonna have to claim/cc cop i'm not the only one who's been wondering about that then | ||
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On January 07 2015 03:48 IAmRobik wrote: You're saying ritoky bussed early and often. The poitn is that he's not bussing hard enough to get credit for it though! you're making the thinking error of believing mafia play/do things optimally | ||
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On January 07 2015 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, outstanding questions: Marv: Do you feel that even after Palmar called you scum for 100% he's still scared to lynch you? Seems pretty clear to me. Kelsier: In your Lazer case you mention him (Lazer) waffling on Vivax a lot. Do you think he's a better lynch than Vivax? Why do you still think Marv is scum? Also to everyone: Opinions on a Superbia lynch please. this is obviously an exceptionally stupid question. congratulations | ||
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On January 07 2015 06:34 ritoky wrote: to assess the validity of his claim, then in a game with a framer and multiple millers, to being assessing the validity/coloring of his checks. why would you blindly accept a claim? there is no assessing, it's an open setup with 1 cop. mafia don't claim cop randomly for no reason when they are under 0 threat of being lynched. it's very simple.. why *wouldn't* you accept the claim at face value? | ||
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On January 07 2015 06:39 IAmRobik wrote: Marv, + Show Spoiler + Are you trying to get him to say the words "because i'm the cop" so that you can cc him? Robik, + Show Spoiler + I really like your hair today | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:22 GlowingBear wrote: I mean, as I know who the cop really is, I'd love to lynch SL. Cop is useless with the millers that are in the game anyway. A lot of plain VTs already died so stupid. are you mafia or a baddie, GB? you can tell auntie marv. | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote: Cuntie marv, I'm town and not baddie. I'm just too deep. Rolling with Adele you are a baddie if you're pushing sl. it's silly. at best. | ||
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i've stated it numerous times, and since you've been reading the thread too. | ||
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i'm not surprised. | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:53 sicklucker wrote: Im sorry to put you through this marv. I never get universally town read but I never get lynched its not fun this isn't your fault. well apart from the fact claiming cop like a noob. but people's read on you isn't your fault. like, it makes sense to me that mafia might want to cast doubt on you, but they should be too afraid to do so because town should be realising there's no way you make that play as mafia. but there are so many people attacking you for it, including at least one i heavily townread, that i can't take terrible accusations to mean mafia. it's very annoying | ||
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mafia don't unless they're in actual danger of getting lynched | ||
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essentially what he did was vote sl and throw shit on him for the cop claim when he made virtually the exact same play, as town, in a previous game. does not compute | ||
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On January 07 2015 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote: Yhea but this wasn't a terrible claim. For scum that is. yes it was. you blithering idiot. | ||
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sorry bro. | ||
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Then again I think they're both very likely mafia. But ritoky called me mafia so him dying first would be best. | ||
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On January 07 2015 21:38 KelsierSC wrote: can you make a mafia team marv? ish. If i take ritoky, superbia, palmar, then some ppl out of vivax, gb, lm and maybe just a smattering of damdred or robik but just one day at a time | ||
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On January 07 2015 23:41 sicklucker wrote: No I think your town but ive kind of ignored you this game. Usually I focus my game on you because I feel I read you good but this game your town siding while almost half the game is mafia siding pretty close to my read on damdred too. he felt kinda defensive early but he made some posts that felt pretty townie after. not sure how i'd expect a mafia to react to your apparent check on him, but it wasn't how damdred dealt with it anyway | ||
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On January 07 2015 23:58 sicklucker wrote: Lol me and artanis have 100% the same list. Its also jats list. Is this game really that easy? I think one of robik or marv could be playing a high level mafia game but we can worry about that in final 3. This game is in the bag. We have 7 lynches we kill his 4 reds first. Then probably his 3 whites but alot can change. this is always the problem, there's usually an outlier somewhere, somehow. but you can normally only pick up on them later. | ||
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On January 08 2015 00:07 sicklucker wrote: This games so boring mafia sucks dick for the most part. I just want this game to go 72 hours into the future highly contradictory #lynch | ||
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On January 08 2015 00:12 sicklucker wrote: I mean im fairly sure 4/5 mafia played bad while 1/5 is probably playing good and will carry. Marv you mad I called you bad? you did? wat | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:23 Vivax wrote: MARV IM PUSHING YOUR SCUMREAD AND GB IS THICK LIKE RONALD MCDONALD AND YOU DONT LEND ME A HAND. HOW CAN I EVER BELIEVE YOU'RE TOWN. this may come as a shock to you, but i'm at work and i refresh periodically, but not every 30s. If that makes me mafia, I'm mafia. you're right though, it's fake as shit and I commented as such d1. His massive reads list on d1 had a bunch of inconsistencies pointed out by me and others. his read on me is full of crap. he doesn't give a fuck about the game. like, read his filter and find any point where you think "this guy wants town to win this game". betchu can't the thing is right, there exists the possibility where town-ritoky makes those retardo points against DrH at the beginning. The problem with that is that it's totally incongruent to what follows, which *should* eliminate that possibility | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:43 IAmRobik wrote: are we in mylo now? no | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:41 GlowingBear wrote: The world where sicklucker is the real cop: Doctor can't heal the same player on consecutive nights. SL claims day1 Gets healed night1, so that's why mafia shoots Eden and Koshi SL can't be healed night2, gets shot. The world where sicklucker isn't the real cop: He stays alive after night2 The end. he claimed d2 | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:45 GlowingBear wrote: Oh, is that so? Am I so confused with this game? -.- yeah, i think superbia (iirc) questioned him on his readchange of Lazer, and he said it was because he checked him green, which started the whole fiasco off | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:49 GlowingBear wrote: I see Well, this changes things. Sigh. Ok, I'm gonna sheep marv to see what happens sheeping marv best plan. | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:51 GlowingBear wrote: No, wait. He checked damdred first right? I have no idea. he should probably just come clean at this stage | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:55 sicklucker wrote: Why are you putting scum on that really bad joke how desperate are you? What I say is true. I do math for a living tho so I dont expect everyone to understand. In the event we have 6 kills and 5 mafia the only chance we have is to sheep players who think they have the game solves. Not scummy guys who want to lynch maybe this guy and maybe him, but then have no idea what to do. Artanis and jat are/were the top town in this game. Everyone sheep them its are only hope You're forgetting Obi wan kenobi | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote: First guy to wonder what the scum KP even is. no, it's happened before in the thread, and I answered whoever it was at the time. Spanned several posts. | ||
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On January 08 2015 03:49 sicklucker wrote: Hes playing too bad too be mafia. But vivax isint this bad is he? this. this is the problem. | ||
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On December 31 2014 09:52 Alakaslam wrote: this seems more likely. I don't want to wait for another guy, and this simplifies things. It means scum has to really protect that 2 shot vig or play well, I like encouraging decisions like this. Kudos koshi you go in the OP And also, thanks Artanis and jat you will also get mention. | ||
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On January 08 2015 04:25 IAmRobik wrote: you're still fucking scum. jesus. asdofnsdfgnosdfn;aisodfn ##vote: gb all these arguments can wait. vote ritoky with me. | ||
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essentially the reason you're not on ritoky is because he's not here saying terrible things making you want to lynch him, which is why we should lynch him | ||
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On January 08 2015 04:50 sicklucker wrote: so mav i only played with vivax once. Have you played with him more? is he obvious scum? so 2 years ago we played a mayoral game, and i was mayor, and i lynched mafia day 1 vivax was cop and got a redcheck on someone and proceeded to push me for most of day 2, much to everyone's amazement (instead of pushing his red check) so that's what he's capable of as town. i rather think he's improved since then and isn't as nuts. he *should* be mafia here because he pushes wrong things way too often, but... ya know. it's possible he plays like this as town? i don't think ritoky ever plays like this as town. | ||
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I know you all want me to be but I am *not* the cop. ##Unvote If ritoky is mafia and you are the cop, claim now. Your role is not worth a guaranteed mafia at this point. I'm still a bit behind | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:40 IAmRobik wrote: God you're such a piece of shit marv thanks darling. | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:24 IAmRobik wrote: There's like a 0% chance that SL would ever be framed because no cop is going to check someone cc'ing their role because a) that person might get night killed b) if that person is mafia, they're going to hold that claim and the real cop is going to get that person lynched. Oh ritoky. Valiant effort my friend. Now tell me this....did you green check 2 townies or did you go 1 and 1 I had to read this 3 times but this seems to be totally correct actually | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:53 Palmar wrote: Yes, but I'm not certain enough to kill him while unccd. I only see 2 options: a) kill someone random (hint: Damdred) b) get a cc Like if he is mafia then massive kudos to whatever townies actually have the balls to just call him out on it. But I have seen so much terrible cop play over the years that this could very well be a true claim. i have to agree with this. i dunno if it's because we're the old hands in the game but we seem to be thinking the same a cc would not only net us mafia (unless it's superbia at which point i start hitting babies) but also brings a massive amount of clarity | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:55 IAmRobik wrote: Marv, do you read my posts? i literally quoted one saying i agreed with it. the problem is on the slim,slim chance he's actually the cop, lynching him would basically be the end of the game right there. | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:57 Palmar wrote: Cool so we're on the same kill-Damdred page? nope. your case is kinda ok but i don't think the difference is as stark as you make out. i'll lynch superbia if i can't make myself lynch an un-cc cop | ||
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On January 08 2015 06:59 IAmRobik wrote: Jesus christ. I'm the cop. COol? Can we lynch him now? oh. this is a hard claim? you're going to shout at me post-game aren't you? | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: Marv isn't town Marv isn't town Where's chez and Artanis? you're an idiot. | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:09 ritoky wrote: 1) i am the cop 2) you claim to be cop, but you had 0 reaction to someone HARD CLAIMING YOUR ROLE last day phase while being here and actively posting the entire time. 3) you have given no indications of being cop in your entire filter. 4) you sat here calling for others to cc and saying you would make up a cc if no one cc'd. 5) you checked a dead person n1 who was universally town read i believe even by you. 6) lol @ your checks. you call my checks bad and not solving the game, yours are on another level. they also don't mesh with your reads in the slightest. you would have checked into the likes of geript/marv/palmar/jat and such because you were heavily invested in solving those discussions and a check would have gone a long way. you need to move the fuck on; you're not the cop now drop it. lol but you're not calling him mafia | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote: i'd actually rather not lynch ritoky today all that we get today is everyone votes on rit and we get no info. ... | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:14 Lazermonkey wrote: If you are the cop you are 101% getting shot tonight... read, and try again. | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:36 IAmRobik wrote: I mean. I guess marv is good enough to bait his partner into claiming today by pushing ritoky, forcing out the cop claim and then laughing to the bank awww. I'm touched :> | ||
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stop it robik. i just wanna kill mafia without these stupid games. | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So in the 25 pages I missed is there any reason not to vote for Superbia? If so I'm going to be lazy and read them later. you have to be kidding me | ||
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On January 08 2015 18:12 KelsierSC wrote: LM who do you think the cop is? what's the use in asking this? right, i best go read what i missed | ||
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On January 08 2015 19:27 Palmar wrote: This looks worse for Vivax now. I don't think he actually knew why we were pushing geript at the time. he quite enjoyed pushing me even though he had no idea what your case was as well. although i kinda think that's more personal than alignment indicative... :/ | ||
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DP: you really need to read from the bottom of p284 for about 15-20 pages (i know, but it's a quick read) if you read almost nothing else this game for a while | ||
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On January 08 2015 19:36 KelsierSC wrote: because I am trying to figure out who the mafia is wtf there are about seven thousand million, five hundred thousand and forty nine better ways of finding mafia than cop-hunting in the night phase. Just sayin. | ||
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On January 08 2015 19:44 DarthPunk wrote: I'm going to reluctantly read what marv suggested and then once I'm done if Palmar is still not talking to me he is basically claiming scum. See ya chaps. it's pretty fun tbf :> | ||
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On January 08 2015 11:57 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia is town You're going to mislynch him On January 08 2015 13:08 GlowingBear wrote: M going home My reads are better when I'm drunk Lunch marv quality entertainment | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:22 IAmRobik wrote: Because I'm the greatest mafia player on this fucking planet. Maybe if you were on my level, you would have thought about your fake checks before you gave them. Specifically that SL check. That was terrible. No cop would EVER check SL there. Like, there's literally no reason to check SL there because if he keeps his claim, you counter as cop and get him lynched because his claim already sucks. If he's town, mafia might actually believe him and kill him, so you'd have a wasted check. So like, next time you decide to fake cop, you should plan stuff like this out. | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:03 Palmar wrote: They're not inconclusive garbage. In fact, me hedging half my calls with wording like "very slight leaning town read" is probably the biggest tell that I am town this game. However I also wouldn't expect just about anyone to understand that. It's basically me trying not to be wrong, or if I am wrong have something to point to "hey look, I told you I just called him town for this small thing, not my fault he didn't end up being town". If I was mafia I'd be far more confident in my reads, or so I think, at least. And the list post was basically me trying to do useful stuff. I decided to punch in what I was thinking at that point in the game. and I already explained why I called DrH town. this post is reasonable. I can't remember who it was but there was a game recently where someone made this long, terrible case on me, quoting a bunch of posts where i'm umming and ahhing. | ||
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On January 01 2015 23:18 Superbia wrote: Pretty sure Ritoky claimed mafia with that big post. I'll read the rest of the thread later to find the other 4. ##Vote: Ritoky this is like certainly a "I don't want to do anything, i'm going to park my vote on my scumbuddy" post. Pretty sure people have said this before. | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:16 Vivax wrote: Marv just claimed he likes to get whipped from people who wear gimp suits. na, not into the outfits :p | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:17 KelsierSC wrote: basically LM can't give a read on who is cop because it totally fucks him. If he says Robik is cop then he can't explain why he aligns with ritoky and pushed on Dam and he has to read robik as cop tomorrow if he says Ritoky is cop he can't explain why he was so fine with a ritoky lynch yesterday and said he would be fine with a ritoky lynch this is really interesting, i'll go corroborate myself at lunch or something. | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:51 DarthPunk wrote: Wait what? We didn't lynch one of the cops? ikr. pretty unsatisfying. | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:48 DarthPunk wrote: Anyone else think the (Limited) interactions between Kelsier and Superbia look fake? Kelsier has looked preeetty town to me. One of the issues is that Superbia's interactions with everything look fake. | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:53 DarthPunk wrote: Which cop would you prefer to lynch marv? where my vote was. ritoky. if he is town i will eat BH's hat. | ||
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On January 08 2015 22:08 Vivax wrote: Then why don't you think he's dying tonight, or why don't you wonder why he's alive after 2 nights. I'm kinda flattered with your obsession with me. | ||
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On January 08 2015 22:43 IAmRobik wrote: Vivax, I'll explain why you look better later, but it had to do with reading superbias filter I skimmed super's filter earlier and i don't think i got that out of it, interested to hear what you found | ||
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On January 08 2015 23:48 IAmRobik wrote: I think this was the post that made me reconsider on vivax Plus, ritoky and super kinda sorta genuinely seem to want to lynch vivax...including yesterday. If you read ritoky's posts, it seems like he genuinely wouldn't mind lynching vivax. He obviously seems really reticent to do that w/r/t superbia yeah i saw that post but i didn't have the same reaction. Super's filter is actually remarkably void of Vivax discussion for a long time, and that post there is pretty non-committal | ||
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On January 08 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote: Did I miss something in the game that proved ritoky to be not-cop? I'm still wokring under the assumption that he is. Then again I didn't read much today cause I will probably just sheep Artanis tomorrow. i'm good with you sheeping artanis for now On January 08 2015 10:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ritoky is pretty much confirmed mafia for stressing your 'great idea - rescinding claim' as if it were serious. There's no way he actually buys that. | ||
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Got any more Vivax? | ||
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On January 09 2015 00:41 Vivax wrote: I posted a votecount, you even said "oh look at how close the votes are". Why am I even here. This case is closed. This has been talked about long before and disproved. why the fuck are you bringing it up again? | ||
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On January 06 2015 07:10 marvellosity wrote: actually that's right, i went back to check, the votecount just before he said that was geript - vivax 5-5 then according to eye-witnesses robik was spotted in a dingy bar called Video Mafia and he didn't post from that point till basically deadline, in between jat switched to super etc this was literally the culmination of the discussion that went on for 100 pages, no idea how you missed it vivax. | ||
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On January 09 2015 00:57 IAmRobik wrote: marv, which players here take VE's claim seriously? I know I was certain he was VT and trying to take a role bullet in that spot, but apparently i was wrong. It would have been a SICK spot for it too kinda a tough question to ask, given VE and I have a kind of "special relationship" I was reasonably sure it made VE medic, because he claimed it out of anger and frustration while calling you a cunt. So it was a "fuck you" rather than a play (I've seen him do similar before). I guess I'd expect anyone who's played with VE quite a bit to think the same way? Can't really tell with the newer players. | ||
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On January 09 2015 00:58 IAmRobik wrote: Hold on. Let me double check my scum QT to make sure you're not in there please let me know if i posted there | ||
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On January 09 2015 01:03 Vivax wrote: Marv what did you mean when you said I was onto something. Since that notion seems to have disappeared completely. sarcasm. sorry bro ![]() | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:23 IAmRobik wrote: Huh? Aren't you #2 or #3? behind my green check DrH and maybe behind sicklucker too? like you're above artanis and kelsier, both of whom i TR. Robik, I think somehow you just failed to read the 10 words I posted or something | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:24 IAmRobik wrote: Oh. ![]() I'm not exactly sure if people who aren't you need convincing, or if all the people who aren't convinced are just mafia. | ||
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you open Robik's filter and ask yourself "is this guy trying to figure out the game in some way?" then you do the same with ritoky's filter ??? profit | ||
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who wasn't thinking straight | ||
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which is as follows: "Vivax must be mafia with how he's posting. He literally must be." "but somehow he could be town?????????" | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:32 IAmRobik wrote: I just don't understand what he's doing this game. He's blatantly scum siding and he's not even trying to hide it. It's like he is planning on using the "i would never scum-side so hard as scum" card....but like, he knows it's going to get him lynched when i die. this *100 | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:40 Vivax wrote: And Marv is SO scum for not agreeing with this. no, i'm just not the worst player in history nice try though | ||
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why any rational townie would go ham attacking it ... no senso bueno + Show Spoiler + spanish boss-mode engaged | ||
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when i said we lynch ritoky for clarity this is exactly what i meant | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:51 IAmRobik wrote: I'm going down tonight boys. Too many people believe me that's why i'm right | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:52 IAmRobik wrote: nah...we still got to lynch a mafia last day phase and you get to lynch ritoky for free as well...but like. can you do me a HUGE favor and lynch vivax first. Just so that if he's town I can have him in Obs QT sooner so that I can make fun of him. that's a compelling safety net | ||
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On January 09 2015 09:36 DarthPunk wrote: Why isn't marv raging at all the people who are calling him mafia? If I call him mafia the world ends and the thread turns to shit. zen mode. mostly. | ||
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i'm actually posting at way above my target rate for posts this game. I need to play without being townread for just posts and/or rage, because it ruins my scumgame and it ain't healthy. anyone who knows me/has talked to me recently knows i want to tone down my towngame. | ||
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On January 09 2015 10:17 DarthPunk wrote: I know this, I checked it last night. otherwise I would be calling you mafia. Good boy. You'll also know that I'll just repeat the point ad nauseum if I have to. Always works eventually. | ||
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you say it's easy to make the argument as scum, but i've played 12 games here and i still fail to manage it as mafia, so i'll keep using it :> | ||
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##Vote: ritoky he 100% mafia. he die now. Is Vivax 100%? If the answer isn't "yes" then you shouldn't be voting for him | ||
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I don't make plays, I don't fakeclaim. I like clarity. I vote who has the highest chance of flipping mafia. I'm going to vote ritoky while ritoky is confirmed mafia. And I don't mean "confirmed" in the way you lazily throw about, I mean he is absolutely mafia and there isn't a world where he isn't. That sort of confirmed. And I will see his blood run, and lo, it will be good. | ||
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On January 09 2015 20:30 sicklucker wrote: Well Im going to ignore you and get someone important lynched. No one can make the mistake of lynching confirmed mafia later. But they can make mistakes that I can correct today. Gnight There is approximately 0% chance you will get someone lynched other than ritoky. Because I say so, and when I'm sure enough to say so, that's what happens. I like how you play a lot sl, but save your energy on this one. | ||
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like even if you're 95% on Vivax you should kill ritoky. | ||
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On January 10 2015 10:10 GlowingBear wrote: I don't know who are the other mafia. I'm still not over marv. I said he was town at night because I wanted to see if scum would kill him if he was universally townread. For someone who has being scumreading ritoky for so long, he wasn't one to try to make people to lynch his obvious scum target. Which just looks like someone who is bussing knowing another target will die. this is pretty much untrue, grats | ||
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On January 10 2015 10:55 GlowingBear wrote: I'm extremely uninvolved with this game and I can't really understand why. I'm not going to do much hardwork. If you think I should be lynched, okay. But I'm town and you'll be wasting a lynch. I have some signals that I'm town. I could show you but I don't think that's really my job... you've stated (i think on more than one occasion) that it's "really obvious" you're town and various other sentiments to that effect. Do tell us. | ||
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On January 08 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote: By the way if Kelsier isn't really the cop I'll be lynching him tomorrow what was your thinking behind this post, sweetcheeks? | ||
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GB, what's your sl read like atm? Read some stuff about him in your filter, didn't see anything recently, might have changed since robik flipped | ||
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On January 10 2015 21:42 Vivax wrote: And yet, even though he's been dead for a cycle, JAT has more pages than anyone else. What do you think of GBs theory that ritoky is a framer? that's why he was such an easy lazy assumption to make :p GB's theory could be right, but i don't really think mafia puts that much stock in the framer, or at least enough stock to make plays based around it (and possibly provide patterns?). I'd say the absolute best reason to lynch superbia over ritoky from mafia's POV is the ongoing confusion about the cop stuff. Like if Robik hadn't flipped cop, it feels like this day would have been only about the cop claims, and that's valuable time wasted from a mafia PoV | ||
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GB what are you getting at with your last post there? You mean Super would hammer ritoky if ritoky wasn't framer? | ||
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If he's mafia I don't think it's because of that. | ||
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tbh i'm just waiting to see if he lives up to his own promises. | ||
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most of what he's done he could do as either alignment. the most suspicious thing for me is how he launched himself at me, then kinda afked and his 100% push on me was kinda gone when he got back. | ||
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On January 11 2015 05:09 Lazermonkey wrote: Ow, and I agree with that GB looks bad for defending Superbia the way he did. Just like I look scummy for doing that ;D. actually that wasn't what i was contending lol | ||
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On January 11 2015 05:12 Vivax wrote: For me it's that he went into serious mode on the day we started lynching scum. I already mentioned this somewhere. Before D3 it was just his random stuff, D3 I was wondering why he became so pushy instead of keeping on with his weird play. to what end? | ||
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On January 11 2015 05:15 Vivax wrote: To the end that he's scum, if that's your question. I don't see why he starts trying so hard JUST on the day that scum is really up for lynch. wasn't quite my question actually he started pushing for damdred before the cop business. thinking about it, i really dislike how he self-characterised his play as "bad" this game, like he said he was having a bad game. He's not having a bad game, he's having a game where he's not tried to play, the two aren't the same. | ||
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when i said "actually he started pushing for damdred before the cop business." that was meant to be adding legitimacy to your point, i just didn't say so | ||
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On January 11 2015 08:21 Vivax wrote: Is this me being derp or does Palmar not list the fifth scum cause from his point of view he doesn't have to (since he knows he's the fifth). So, a scumslip of sorts. that's called having a conclusion already and retrofitting what you see to fit the conclusion | ||
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On January 11 2015 07:47 Lazermonkey wrote: Vivax, just food for thought: Do you think I would've reevaluated my read on both you and Damdred if I was scum? I was kinda meh on you and now I'm quite certain you are town, and Damdred was my top scum read and I now see him as town as well. This would be, like you are saying, narrowing down my lynch options far too much. it's a reasonable point but it's kinda annoying that you're aware of it. | ||
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On January 11 2015 08:46 Vivax wrote: If you spot any oddities it's probably cause i'm slightly wasted, but only slightly, and I feel the stuff I write still makes sense. gin & tonic? | ||
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It's very difficult to hard scumread Palmar because essentially if he's mafia he's mafia because he has no impetus to play the game, he's disconnected from what's going on, he pushes me and drops off it later, etc. etc. the issue is that there's a non-negligible possibility Palmar does that as town too. | ||
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On January 11 2015 08:51 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah but ritoky also sac'd himself to out the cop. If mafia were bussing anyone on their scum team it would be ritoky honestly. That seems especially true after ritoky just gave up after robik flip and mafia flipped robik. So yeah, to me, Ritoky dying is blatantly part of the scum teams agenda and therefore town cred for his lynch = nothing. i started and repeatedly pushed the wagon d3 that led to him claiming :/ if you went back and re-read d3 you'd see that ritoky becoming the main wagon didn't happen for quite some time, there were votes all over the shop. | ||
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On January 11 2015 08:56 DarthPunk wrote: Well I haven't read anything from before page 284 so that kinda makes sense, honestly though marv you must be self aware enough to understand why I think your play is odd this game. Because it is flat out odd. yes, it does make sense :d lol it's not odd, it's not as shouty. literally my only regret with how i played so far is that i didn't hardpush superbia on d2. but i can live with that if that's my biggest mistake. | ||
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On January 11 2015 09:00 Vivax wrote: ****marv doesn't reply to the above***** Marv doesn't consider his first post up there in his last post down here when evaluating Palmar. You scum marvybaby? i've literally no idea what you're babbling about. again, why would i list everything palmar has done in a one-sentence summary? hello??? | ||
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On January 11 2015 09:05 DarthPunk wrote: You always make sense as both alignments so if I wanted to catch Scum!Marv then making sense would be a bad criteria to look at. so are you really incapable of townreading me unless i shout? is that it? | ||
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On January 11 2015 09:06 Vivax wrote: Like, if marv was really suspicious of him there for that poiint, why doesn't he bring up that point up again in the 8:52 post? Where is the motivation to push Palmar for that point he made? Why didn't he comment on my 5:21 post? you're a bit nutty. none of your points make sense or mean anything. sry. | ||
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so palmar said lynch damdred if damdred is the cc - so what? | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:07 DarthPunk wrote: Scum wanted Ritoky to die over Super but couldn't get it done. this doesn't make sense to me | ||
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On January 12 2015 06:24 GlowingBear wrote: After saying to marv that he would fake claim he was the cop the get ritoky lunched, his claim was pretty unclear. it read more to me that he was desperately trying to induce doubt into his claim and not succeeding all that well | ||
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On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh sweet, sweet plumber Will you join us today a little longer There are many questions waiting for you If you do not answer, you will become poo When you are scum, you tread the middle of the road Whereas as town, you go hard or play like a toad This game you have been mostly invisible Where is the Palmar that makes his alignment divisible? Your case on GB was most curious And your case against Damdred dubious You helped lynch Geript, a member of our town What have you done this game that hasn't made us frown? Oh Plumber, dear dear plumber We know you love cutting lumber Yesterday, a tree fell on DP's head And now we must make you dead. ##Vote Palmar move over Shelley and Keats, we got a new master in town | ||
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On January 12 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote: disagree totally we need every second to figure out the mafia team. Shorter days favour mafia over town. i'd say shorter day today would favour mafia, but not necessarily in general. shorter days when things are more settled help prevent impatience and paranoia from town | ||
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On January 13 2015 00:05 Palmar wrote: That's not how it works marv. And it's strange that you don't know it. You have to actually say why I am mafia. there's reasons from various people littered all over the thread. You see, actually it is how it works. Pretty sure you've said it yourself - cases are just for herding the sheeple. The fact is your sustained play (purposeful choice of words) over the course of the game means the sheeple don't need something pretty to convince them. | ||
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On January 13 2015 00:07 Palmar wrote: Like I get the idea "hey let's vote palmar so he defends himself". But you have to give at least one reason as to why I am scum. Otherwise you're just killing me for... I have no idea what. l2r | ||
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On January 13 2015 00:25 Palmar wrote: Don't know what you mean by curious. It's super townie if you know how brains work. If I am mafia, I already know GB's alignment, so why would I bother with the whole "start out piling some scum points on him, pretend to read more, then completely flip my conclusion and call him town". Like I'm not good enough at scum to do that. Now obviously you can argue this, but I'd think that because I have perfect information as mafia, I wouldn't have bothered with the whole changing my mind in the middle of the post/filter read. I think I'd rather have tried to strengthen whichever conclusion I wanted to reach by mostly citing examples pointing in that one direction. Stopping mid-filter when I feel confident he's town after questioning some of his early stuff, is something not many mafia would do. You're absolutely self-aware enough to do this Palmar. C'mon. | ||
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because I'm feeling charitable, here's EOD votecount d2 (re: your damdred-superbia stuff) On January 05 2015 14:12 Alakaslam wrote: I Count this vote sons Vivax (3): IAmRobik, Superbia (4): IAmRobik (1): sicklucker (0): TheChyz (0): geript (6): Vivax, Geript is lynched. Deadline is in Bear in mind this *doesn't* include Kelsier's kinda failed attempt to switch to Superbia at EoD. So I'd say a Super lynch was a distinct possibility | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:12 Palmar wrote: Like this is almost fun. Here's a hint: I actually give hardly any fucks this game. yup, and that's the townside. it's the half-hearted, intermittent giving of fucks that is more the issue. oddly to anyone else i guess. | ||
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nor do i think it's to do with pressure or not on you. uh | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:37 Palmar wrote: So this is where I'm at: Town: Palmar Artanis SL (36 pages of filter, gj bro) GB Maybe scum: Chez Marv Ksc Vivax LM to respond to your previous, i'ma tier people, leaving you out: marv SL Artanis Kelsier On January 12 2015 08:36 KelsierSC wrote: Crazy weekend for me, going to read over the events Ag the moment I dont like Viv,palmar,lm Def town SL,dam,artanis,drh Sorry I was inactive , I'm surprised more people didn't vote Viv. . I'm having a problem with Kelsier in that his activity is non-existent and this reads list seems out of date/repeated for the sake of it. The problem with having a problem is that I was very sure he was town before and it's very rare that I'm wrong on these ---- Damdred Chez - other people seem to be convinced that Chyz's ragequit makes him town. I've never really shared this absolute conviction, but meeeeh, i guess it's more likely to come from town? Vivax GB - don't buy your buddying argument, and DP seemed convinced he was mafia LM - few reasons to call him town, which isn't great at this stage somehow i doubt the bottom 3 are all mafia, which means i would need to introduce damd/chez/kelsier into the equation (again under the assumption that you are town). But with 3 mafia left there's bound to be mafia in there. tbh i was kinda hoping you were going to roll over and die, but there remains the real possibility that you're town still | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Marv why do you still suspect Vivax? He's got a longer filter than you and he has similar problems with volume posting as scum. because the people above him are townier | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:52 Palmar wrote: I don't know if it's eerie that marv says a lot of things I think (regarding chyz/chez etc). 100% spooky | ||
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On January 13 2015 02:18 sicklucker wrote: Vivax I first green checked lm because I didnt think he was scum. That should be obvious why would I green check a mafia? When it became very clear to me that mafia knew I was fake (ritoky super) I quickly turned it into a "trap" and changed my check hoping to get nked. the only question i can find in what vivax posted is why you put robik in your scumteam when you said you townread him before | ||
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On January 13 2015 05:11 Vivax wrote: Yes N1 and the other three nights as well. Marv hasn't led a lynch on scum for all this game. We are beyond the marv-reading-flowchart and much more already. It's time that marv dies. just got home to read this nonsense. what happened on day 3 again? | ||
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On January 13 2015 04:12 GlowingBear wrote: I'm bored, sorry. I won't even be mad if you guys lynch me because I understand I'm not playing optimal. But this game, I don't know... It bored me. In a way I can't get involved. I can't stop thinking LM is mafia and I'll be voting him, though. But in the end I may sheep koshi/Robik into Vivax because koshi has got swag or marv into palmar because if r gets palmar wrong we just lynch him next day. what happened to "i'm displaying a bazillion townie traits"? | ||
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On January 13 2015 04:44 Vivax wrote: I would totes lynch marv today after reading what DP posted on him in the night. The excuse is that marv is apparently trying to apply a less shouty townplay so he doesn't get caught as easily in future town games. I wouldn't be surprised if DP got killed for saying that. Like, town marv is usually the guy who sits in the thread, with a clear picture of his reads, and then he will reach out to everyone in the thread in order to get his scumreads lynched. Anyone who disagrees with him is subject under scrutiny, and if you call him mafia and he's town he'll insult you. so you're just perpetuating the stereotpye, it's pathetic. | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:10 Palmar wrote: maybe no I am still undecided on marv. Once again I feel like he's taking no leadership role. Also, I feel he's still being way too wishy washy on my alignment. After our interaction today he basically said "there is a chance you're town". He should honestly have shut down all talk of lynching me. Hell, he knows I would be lobbying so hard to kill him if I'm mafia and he's town. But, he also makes much more sense than half of you morons all the time. Btw, I'm calling it now, some smartass is going to post in the postgame "WTF U MORONS MARV ALIVE DAY 4 MUST LYNCH!!!!!111" if marv is mafia. I am going to find that guy, and punch him in the face. Consider this a warning. don't overstate your play this day. I should not have shut down the talk of lynching you, and it's bad that you're saying so | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:26 Palmar wrote: No it isn't. I've been so reasonable. What do you think about LM and the quote I mentioned being townie? you're gonna tell me you wouldn't attempt to be reasonable as mafia? the game i'm really thinking of where you defended yourself as town I wasn't even in, that combined student game thing, and you were literally relentless. like just on, and on, and on, and on. i don't think that much of the quote you posted, because it will be a bluff. when i'm at work tomorrow i'm gonna look for reasons for LM to be town, because that seems an ok way of going about things. and i'll actually do it this time (hi art) because this time it's important | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think it's the case, but I don't have a confirmed townread on any of you three. KSC used to be there but he's fallen off the edge of the earth. then you're being a little disingenuous with "it's definitely possible", aren't you | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: False, any mafia team with me in it is 100% impossible. *raises eyebrow* well played, sir | ||
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On January 13 2015 05:11 Vivax wrote: Yes N1 and the other three nights as well. Marv hasn't led a lynch on scum for all this game. We are beyond the marv-reading-flowchart and much more already. It's time that marv dies. On January 06 2015 16:12 Vivax wrote: And if you want to know one example of how I play scum, here's the scum qt from Titanic mafia [some number]. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/8tECwNmGtaf7 Palmar: Yes, I am THIS bad and unmotivated at playing scum and I have a really hard time producing a lot of content when I'm scum. And when you say I'm scum this game after reading my scum games then you need to get your brain checked. There are worlds apart between my scum play and my town play. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462291-showdown-mafia?user=marvellosity http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=marvellosity http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?user=marvellosity | ||
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if "convenient" = voted for mafia and hardpushed for mafia when i was certain, then yes, it's very convenient. damn. | ||
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On January 13 2015 13:11 Vivax wrote: From mafia Database Mafia Win Percentage (Minimum 5 games) 1.marvellosity 10/11 = 90.9091% From the DB. Town Win Percentage (Minimum 10 games) 1.DarthPunk 9/12 = 75.0000% Now pick who you want to listen to this game. DP or marv hahahah I mean this just makes you look really, really, impressively stupid. anyway, I will make this many posts addressing Vivax today after this I can help it: 0 | ||
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On January 13 2015 19:41 Palmar wrote: That's a dumb question. Like you understand clearly what I am doing here. There's nothing silly about this at all. If you are actually town your townreads should mostly be good. If you are mafia, I'm trying to make you townread all the townies. no, you're trying to put words in my mouth and suggest things, and it looks like shit. | ||
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On January 13 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote: And you have to stop with the "Palmar could be mafia" thing. It's both getting old, it's false and it in no way helps solve the game. stuff like this does not make me think you are town. | ||
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On January 13 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: No it doesn't, and you trying to say it looks like shit does look like shit. what the hell does "put words in my mouth and suggest things" even mean. I am trying to figure out who you want to call mafia. You have 4 townreads (including yourself), and you seem to think neither Ksc nor damdred should be lynched. This severly narrows the potential pool of lynches, and since we have 3 mafia left, and you've not (in my memory) stated ou don't want to lynch 4 people in the game, that should be a fairly high shot at hitting mafia in your world. The problem is, your world doesn't fit with mine and I don't know why. It means I gave you a tiered list and for some reason you're picking 2 players in the middle of it and asking me who i should lynch between them, when there are 3 mafia left. Let's even say one of Damdred/Kelsier is mafia - that wouldn't be my starting place, would it? | ||
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On January 13 2015 19:48 Palmar wrote: It was awful. it made the victories 100x as sweet actually | ||
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On January 13 2015 19:44 Vivax wrote: Palmar, how did you lynch marv in metal mafia, I've read a little so I know it was you. tldr: I said bitch couldn't be bothered to play the game gave up as soon as i started getting pushed that cover it Palmar? | ||
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On January 13 2015 19:35 Palmar wrote: So marv, which one do we lynch then? damdred or kelsiersc? ok Palmar, but this doesn't sound like, given your previous line of questioning, this was from a "your world" angle. Doyousee? | ||
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Then on other occasions he's kinda defeatist and is almost submitting to the lynch, says he's uninvested in the game, doesn't want to make cases etc. The two don't marry together very well. The primary basis for your townread is that he seems happy just to lynch people and you don't think he'd do that as mafia? Is that the gist of it? | ||
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On January 13 2015 20:03 Palmar wrote: How about this. Back in the day, Kelsier said we shouldn't lynch ritoky because it wouldn't give us any info. To which you responded "..." Do you think this has anything to do with Ksc's alignment? I ... because it was totally ridiculous. I think I'd expect, if Kelsier was mafia, for him not to defend ritoky on such nonsense. Although we didn't end up killing ritoky so i dno. do mafia really say tha tthough? i dont think so really | ||
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On January 13 2015 20:05 Palmar wrote: And because you're appealing to DP's reads, that guy had me as fairly solid town. Because brain was installed at birth. i think the last thing he said was "i don't think palmar is mafia", so you're definitely a good salesman ^^ | ||
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On January 08 2015 05:27 Palmar wrote: Also I think I got from his filter that he wanted to kill sicklucker for the claim. I think that's actually a fairly town move because mafia would most likely not want to push an un-ccd cop even if that cop is being a bit of a dick with it. so you know sl is pushing Lazer because ritoky and superbia DID push said un-cc cop? | ||
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On January 08 2015 05:27 Palmar wrote: Tone read. He wrote "O hai!" which sort of feels like one of these "Look how casual and chill I am, totally not mafia" (think what I said about marv's "bitch" last game. Some scum points for that. Here's a few examples of posts I saw while skimming his filter that oculd be from town. Your tone read seems to be at least a bit mixed overall do you really think GB can't post these last 2 as mafia? I think it's easily within his range | ||
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On January 13 2015 20:50 Palmar wrote: I don't get the question. The assumption is that mafia has no idea whether or not SL is cop. However if LM is mafia (which certainly is a possibility) mafia would've known this was a fake claim. the question/point - Your contention: mafia would not want to push un-cc cop sl's reason for pushing Lazer: 2 other mafia pushed the un-cc cop | ||
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my point was that a bit of your townread was that you think mafia wouldn't push the un-cc cop, when mafia did. that's all. but it wasn't worth all these posts :p | ||
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On January 13 2015 22:16 GlowingBear wrote: Your reaction to this is odd since I've made the same post regarding other players and you weren't jumping to their defense like you are here. Now, marv and palmar, care to answer? Damdy, I've already said you're null and I've already explained why you has town facets and why you have scum facets. probably town | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:27 Vivax wrote: To sheep DP on marv or to sheep him on GB, that's the question. Marv has a higher scum winrate than him, and DP has the highest town winrate, so we can be fans of the statistical approach and lynch marv, or get lulled in by his wicked sorcery and leave him alive until he laughs at us in post game. I don't think you understand statistics in any way | ||
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it just reflects my uncertainty | ||
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see i can do it too. | ||
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to an extent I agree with Plam that Damdred has been less assertive than I might expect, but the difference is nowhere near what i'm seeing. his push on Superbia d2 was pretty good and actually quite assertive, in some ways it was bad luck (?) that it didn't yield results that day. Also similarly with his VE push (even though wrong) and a couple of little things like how he questioned sl on his greencheck on him | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Had the answer been enlightening, it might've provided me with an additional reason to read you as townie. As it stands I don't really see a reason for the unvote other than you both being scum and as such you don't want the lynch to end up on Palmar today. you've repeatedly banged the (correct) filter size argument for me. If the answer to that question was what you require to additionally read me as town, you're doin the game wrong. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Had the answer been enlightening, it might've provided me with an additional reason to read you as townie. As it stands I don't really see a reason for the unvote other than you both being scum and as such you don't want the lynch to end up on Palmar today. lmao. Somehow I glazed over this. Are you serious?? rofl | ||
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I'm a bloody genius! | ||
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Get a grip. | ||
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that's the nature of a conspiracy theory. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually, there's plenty you could do. I already figured a counterargument to my point: Why would I (you) expect Palmar to step it up and become more active when he has been thoroughly demotivated throughout the game? You're welcome. On January 14 2015 02:04 marvellosity wrote: if I were scum with Palmar I'd know he wouldn't give a good defence, and I wouldn't set him up in a grand fashion to have to do it either. ya | ||
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On January 14 2015 05:54 Palmar wrote: Actually let's just do this. Like what I said on night... 2? is still relevant. Marv 100% knew I wasn't afraid to push him, I was just uncertain. I've questioned all my reads this game. I'm not good enough to be right on everything every game. Marv SHOULD by now have an opinion on me stronger than meh. If he thinks I'm mafia, so be it, but at least he should sort of think that. The problem is he sort of is okay with townreading me but doesn't really commit to it. ##vote marvellosity why? | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:01 GlowingBear wrote: When I asked marv if he would lynch damdred he gave a very fluffy answer. I asked him "yes or no" and he refused to say it. This kind of non commitment reveals that he doesn't want to link himself to damdred. is this for real? you asked me for my read, I gave it, then I backed up my reasons for the read. Why would I come across as unnaturally certain if I'm not certain? Explain | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:06 Palmar wrote: Because you literally always do. I've never had you openly, repeatedly doubt my alignment like this throughout a game. you fucking admit yourself your play this game has been unusual. which it has! | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:07 Palmar wrote: Votes looking good has nothing to do with being town. In fact his votes look awful. Not because he's been voting the wrong people but because he hasn't been making the sheeple line up and VOTE WITH HIM. you mean except where i made ritoky fakeclaim? what is this? | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:09 Palmar wrote: Who cares. The only thing that's unusual is the activity patches. Literally everything else is exactly how I play town. You know I bus the fuck out of everyone on my team as mafia anyway. well that's wonderful if you're sitting there as town with a town role PM. "i'm playing like town because i am town" is a nothnig argument. your words, more or less precisely - "there is one tell that i know you use that makes me 100% mafia" so we go from that premise, but somehow that tell doesn't seem quite right and i don't quite see how or why. you stepped up your play today, but not to the extent that i quite expected, again leading to uncertainty. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote: Even if it was. What you do doesn't matter. How you do it does ))))))))) (that's a russian smiley, I learned their language in the doto). I agree, and I did it damn townily, if i do say so myself. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:13 Palmar wrote: Jesus, it's all clicking now. The whole thing about "you're usually not afraid of pushing me" by marv confirms him as mafia in a way I hadn't even thought of before. If he actually is town, it's 100% acceptable to him that I don't push him, because in that case I _could_ be town (he has never committed to reading me scum, at least not back then). Like he shouldn't even question it because it would be exactly how I act as town because I SHOULD (ie: I should read him correctly, why is he worried that I'm not pushing him when he knows it's the wrong thing to do). you've pushed me when i've been town in many games. cmon palmar. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:14 GlowingBear wrote: I don't have reads on damdred = won't lynch I think he is scum = lynch Instead, you gave a really unclear answer. But the lynch today should be damdred. I've played with damdred a lot and I'm positive he is mafia. mafia isn't binary. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:14 Palmar wrote: Doesn't matter bro. also this last sentence is such bs. It's okay marv. It'll all be over soon. it really won't. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:16 Palmar wrote: okay, that's correct. But it wasn't the same. It's usually on day 1 (as opposed to like night 2) and it's a completely different situation. this is a non-point | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:17 Palmar wrote: Like my point is... why would you expect me to be pushing you in that scenario? I hadn't given any real reasons as to why you were mafia. It's this expectation of something that shouldn't have happened that makes you scum. BECAUSE YOU'D KEPT DROPPING SLIGHTS AT ME the whole *REASON* I made the comment is because you made a sly dig at me one too many times so I called you out on it. go back and READ how it happened. and that's to everyone. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:20 Palmar wrote: And in what universe does townMarv believe that scumPalmar is dumb enough to think that dropping random digs at townMarv is going to get townMarv lynched? Like I know my scumplay isn't great, but that's bs man. I'd pocket the hell out of you if you were town and I was mafia. That, or kill you. Not let you live until day 4 yet constantly call you out for random shot. It's basically impossible I'm not your top town atm. I don't, I thought that's your way of vaguely keeping up appearances and "contributing" with your traditional scumread on me. except you refused to ever flesh it out (like you usually do), so I called you out. | ||
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like literally everything I say hangs together because IT ALL MAKES SENSE BECAUSE I AM TOWN AND THAT IS HOW IT HAPPENED | ||
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like everything in my play is townmarv, from the large filter to the actually playing the game, to the pushing the mafia i'm certain of. literally the only thing that should make people doubt is that i didn't hardpush on day 1 for a deadline i'm not around for or something? | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote: Like why do you even care if I'm trying to lynch you. Go talk to the others and tell someone who is mafia. Don't you think GB looks better in recent pages? No, I think he's pushing mislynches. Two of them. And fucking please, you know what i'm like when people are pushing me. do you remember the game you made me ragequit from? | ||
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"what is your read on damdred" "probably town" | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:35 Palmar wrote: Why didn't you follow up on ritoky day 1, or even attempt to make anyone listen to you? he was absent for a long time that day, and only came back shortly after bed, didn't feel certain enough to push at the time, was tired, geript looked like a really good lynch | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:39 Palmar wrote: but you basically got ignored though. you didn't mind at all? see bold | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:42 Palmar wrote: Well he wasn't a good lynch. I'm bad, what's your excuse? he looked like a good lynch. stop being ridiculous. | ||
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On January 14 2015 06:43 Palmar wrote: Does it make me mafia? You have to say I'm top town. Maybe I'll reconsider your alignment when you acknowledge there is literally no way I'm mafia this game. na. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:38 Palmar wrote: The other two games you cited is where I lynched him day 1 I don't even know how to respond to this. Brief pop in, annoying amount of housework, i don't wear the trousers, yadayadaya I posted like 3 times in 2 (realtime) days before you challenged me. If you think I gave up because you yolo-duelled me, think again. i wasn't even playing. because i don't care to play as mafia. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't want to lynch LM today. He's been improving recently and I share his suspicions on GB. they're mafia together, LM would just love to sit back and watch and end up voting me instead of GB because yeah. | ||
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On January 14 2015 08:14 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm sorry Artanis, but I have to go to bed. I have done what I can to kill GB but there simply isn't enough traction to get him killed. Also, Damdred is a really bad lynch. Anyone who is voting him really need to justify how he could push superbia so hard D2, and not be scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: marvellosity you are 1 billion percent mafia for how you've dealt with tonight ##vote: lazermonkey | ||
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We should be lynching LM. Look at what he did tonight - halfheartedly pushing GB, while always spectating and never wading into the arguments. He's quite willing to vote me on not very much and it's pretty out the blue, like he just ditched anything that came before and made an opportunistic vote. It's pretty much that he didn't know what to do or say, and couldn't handle what was happening in the thread, and basically didn't handle it at al | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:04 Palmar wrote: I'm sorely tempted to just flip a coin. i call tails | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:05 Palmar wrote: we have a deadline in like 5 hours. I'm going to sleep. I'm not reading any more THERE'S NOT MANY. That's the good thing! | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:07 Palmar wrote: I have 21 pages which might actually be a record for me. And people still think I might be mafia. funny that... hmm? | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:03 Vivax wrote: He's in the scum or very very bad pile now the deep, overwhelming irony | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:13 Vivax wrote: I'll vote Palmar, cause if he flips town I can finally lynch marv. no, because you were voting to kill a townie over the wagon that said townie and sexymarv were on. The one not on a townie, that is. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:57 sicklucker wrote: I think this point is super townie and what I usually think as town it's incredibly easy to write that sort of stuff as mafia. | ||
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On January 14 2015 21:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay everyone, repeat after me. Artanis and Vivax are scum Marvellosity is clear town It would be such a shame if we wouldn't have confirmed town Marvellosity here tomorrow. ... okayyy .... | ||
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On January 14 2015 21:50 Damdred wrote: Everyone read what I wrote please and comment. The eod was insane, SL was really scummy. Even his rebuttal right now is throwing dirt on people Explain to me in like a few sentences, because i just started glazing over when Vivax started shouting about it :/ | ||
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On January 14 2015 22:05 Damdred wrote: People are trying to convince me to vote palmar since its 3-4 with vivax about to move. SL up and foes I'm going to vote lm instead, invites so palmar loses tie breaker when he gets back on. Seemed like he was trying to save palmar, and then at the end he invited palmar and chose to hammer palmar instead of lm who he calls town now ok so tell me why he can't do this as town? | ||
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On January 14 2015 21:47 marvellosity wrote: if sicklucker is mafia, i'm going to be amazed | ||
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On January 14 2015 14:26 Damdred wrote: See you can't even see anything we are saying, you are overly defensive at this point. you call me confirmed town and echo robs thoughts until thread changes and you discard half of them and cling to still trying to confirm people as town. I honestly think you've played a great scum game AND going through Marvs filter I found a ritoky quote. Theory time, ritoky was ok with SLs cllaim at the time even said that it takes SL off the lynch table. I have to dig more to see what ritoky did with it afterwards, but if rit plays the cop card the next day... Why didn't he do it then when SL a much easier person was up that he could of potentially mislynched if SL was town? Instead gives the claim credit at this point and then claims the next day? Is this the crux of it? The simple answer would seem to be ritoky wasn't getting lynched d2, he was d3... | ||
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On January 07 2015 19:07 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote ritoky On January 08 2015 01:52 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Ritoky On January 08 2015 04:47 Palmar wrote: ##vote Ritoky On January 08 2015 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote: ##vote: ritoky On January 08 2015 06:06 ritoky wrote: let's all spam votes on the guy doing endless vote logic, coloring names left and right, and clearly softing his role every chance he gets. such donkey much wow. DrH n1 was green SL n2 was green i softened a bit on SL because of it, but i think he was a prime frame target last night so i am still kinda convinced he is red. fuck you all for making me claim and the only person who shouldn't be mad at himself is robik because i think he is the only person who actually got the endless hints. | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Damdred, my sleep shortaged brain does not comprehend. Please explain again. Are you saying it doesn't make sense for SL to be town because ritoky would've cced him too if he were? Wouldn't it just make sense that ritoky made a play to try and save Superbia? this doesn't make sense either because superbia never did anything to save himself | ||
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On January 15 2015 05:31 Lazermonkey wrote: Yep, I am reading right now. I'm at 403 now. I'm like 97% sure that marv is scum at this point. Look at his filter, he doesn't care about killing scum. Not untill I vote him when he goes full fucking OMGUS. Like, look at the post he votes me at. Why does he vote me in response to me? Its an insanely oppertunistic vote. Like if you think I'm scum for not being able to post every 10 minutes, then lynch me and lose this game. But most players should know that this is not the case. ESPECIALLY marv. Firstly, I love to kill players who are trying to kill me. But that's by the by. I explained later on, funny that you use the word "opportunistic" there at no point did I say "LM is mafia because of activity" or the like | ||
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On January 15 2015 05:39 Vivax wrote: Well if LM is scum and I killed my townread to lynch marv who then is fuck knows what, then I will hang myself by the balls after this game. oh my god are we getting somewhere?? | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:27 sicklucker wrote: I dont think its possible for me to be mafia and a town you should realize this... "it's definitely possible" | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:19 Lazermonkey wrote: How was that a slip even? It was just a really stupid brainfart lol. Like whats the motive in trying to lie about GB defending Palmar, especially when its so fucking easily disproved... you're right, there's no motive. I'll give you that. mafia find it much harder to keep the narrative of the game up though, because half of it is made up | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:30 Lazermonkey wrote: You say you think both me and GB are scum. Then nothing. Then nothing. Then I vote you, then you go "GOTTA KILL THAT LAZORGUY, TOTES SCUM". That is opportunistic. I also said earlier how I was suspicious of you and that I was going to vote you if the GB lynch wasn't happening. Yet its only AFTER I drop my vote and go to bed, that you jump on me. Whats the town motive for not pushin your scum read? I was already suspicious of you for sitting on the sidelines and vaguely sniping. I think I may have made a post to that end. Then I was waiting to see what you'd do with your vote to confirm what i was thinking, and hey presto! | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:35 Lazermonkey wrote: For everyone who still doubts marv being scum: He is still alive. have you seen the (retarded) suspicion being pushed on me this game? no? | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:37 Lazermonkey wrote: Don't pretend like you've been some sort of universal scum read this game. Of course there has been times where people have been pushing you, but apart from yesterday, you've never even been close to getting lynched. I'm not pretending anything, but the people who died have had little to no chance of being lynched. this is weak. how d'ya like my GB proposal, how does that sit with you, hmm? | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:44 Lazermonkey wrote: Yhea but they aren't you. You are highly respected, and for a good reason, you are a very good player. The chance of you getting shot and, say Eden, getting shot is not the same. I think GB is a nice kill though. quick bit of maths: I've only been killed N1 in about 1/5 of my towngames. and tbh the other days are quite a bit more obvious to explain | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:49 Lazermonkey wrote: how many games are you alive untill D5 though? Few. but it does happen. usually when i get suspicion pushed on me ![]() | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:56 liancourt wrote: Announcement Just a little announcement. Today will be a bit different. Night Kill flip will be at 02:00 GMT (+00:00) which is in . And Day 6 will end 48hrs from the flip. Happy scum hunting. ^ definitely town | ||
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On January 15 2015 06:59 Lazermonkey wrote: Will maybe check one of those games, marv. But not today. well check or don't check, i was just pointing out their existence | ||
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On January 15 2015 18:53 sicklucker wrote: Marv where are you. Im really going to kill you if you dont go all out on mylo got to work recently, got some pages to catch up on fair warning to everyone btw, I have a chess match this evening and my dad's birthday tomorrow, so will try play hard at work where i can | ||
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townies call themselves town for shit they do all the time, and the trolliness thing you mentioned is meh, it fits sl's general profile just fine | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He seems to have a clear suspicion of LM which he's not been pushing much yet. It is troubling. ???????????? | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:12 Vivax wrote: Ok, so here we go: ![]() I don' think LM is lying when he says he has exams and can't play properly. But he's scum, which is why we witnessed so much brain farting when I questioned him. He told his scumbuddies that he's scum, and that he won't have time to play and said "Pls, bus me cause I can't try harder than this". Now I go into a hypothetical world where SL is town. He's just a town who says a ton of dumb shit that makes me scumread him everytime. Kels softed cop D1, and he was actually right when he said that LM scumslipped he was scum with super. But the Vivax I am, who doesn't care about filter size and has trouble distingishing bad from scum, I keep pushing him thinking he's scum while in fact he's just the next JAT. So marv and Kelsier agreed. They would push the wagon on him, grab a shitton of cred, and carry their team to victory. Now it's night. I found another load of reasons to push SL with. But scum can't push him. They can't push him cause they will need an ally tomorrow, after they NK Artanis and push the lynch on me. GB is somewhat doing his own thing with Damdred, and Damdred is basically my ally. Plenty of room for the next mislynch. They can push Damdred, they can push me. That's why Kelsier shows absolutely zero suspicion on SL, and instead tries to win his favour by defending him and trying to discredit me. That's why marv keeps silent. He doesn't need to do a thing if SL is indeed town. He just sits back and enjoys, waiting for the opportunity to strike while I keep pushing a townie. They will probably lose LM at some point, probably tomorrow, but afterwards, Chez will side with Kelsier and marv cause of the palmar lynch he didn't want, and GB will probably accept the theory that I'm scum with Damdred and be willing to lynch either of us. Capiche? That's basically a possible scenario. I guarantee you. Marv will never die on a night this game. Marv isn't trying to solve this game. He's just setting up the stage to win the game for scum. So, according to this theory where I assume SL is scum. The team left is: Kelsier, marv, LM I'm going to humour you a bit here Vivax, because, well, it's lylo and I guess I should. "that's why marv keeps silent" - silent on what? I think I've been abundantly clear on sl's alignment, so silent on what? Actually that's literally all that I can quibble from the entire post. Why? Because it's speculation that can both have no confirmation, nor retort. I mean, "That's basically a possible scenario". You can invent any possible scenario. This is like Artanis' "definitely possible" earlier in the game, it's meaningless because it's unsubstantiated in any regard | ||
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That's basically a possible scenario, right? | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:13 KelsierSC wrote: Where Marv and I vote lm last night and afk? hold me | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:24 Vivax wrote: Now it's up to Chez, GB, Damdred and SL to do the rest. I don't count myself cause I don't have the marv wizardry to be able to begull the thread, which earns him a 90 % scum winrate ![]() | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:47 KelsierSC wrote: Ok answer this, what scummy thing have I done ? I read sl as town, you ask me why I don't instantly scumread him and I tell you why. Because right now your theory is that two mafia voted on the third and then left and that everyone who voted on palmar was town. Top theory, isn't it? I literally explicitly say shortly before I sleep that I don't want to have to vote Palmar to save myself and tell people to get on LM instead, when I could easily have left the Palmar wagon trundling along without taking a stance like that. I'm playing with some bloody unnecessary fire if sl actually followed through on my advice Sense, make it not does. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Like I said, I'm not entirely happy with the explanation, but eh. Marv not leading a lynch on mafia throughout this game would get to him, so I can see him trying, and at that point you may as well join in to add to the cred. Basically Marv would be super screwed if he led/was part of a wagon that lynched town today if he were scum. It'd be possible to sac Marv and just go full on Palmar, but he's had a 38 page game so I doubt he'd be willing to do so. This is all wrong and isn't how I think about playing mafia at all. As mafia I pretty much always expect to die soon. I remember Hero Mafia that Vivax brought up as some silly argument about something at some stage - go read the scumQT there and see how often I prophesize my own demise. I would *absolutely*, as mafia, put myself in a terrible spot to lynch Palmar and leave the rest of my team with only one more ML to secure between them after I die. That's basic, good strategy and probably my absolute best asset as scum is strategising. Palmar and I basically both agree that the only way high profile players can play mafia is to try to secure as many ML as possible before inevitably dying. Me and you have talked a lot about how I think about/play scum, Artanis. You know this! What actually happened is, I didn't want to vote Palmar to save myself, I explicitly said so, and I explicitly told people to vote for mafia instead. Fin. | ||
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On January 15 2015 20:23 sicklucker wrote: So marv do you agree with artanis that vivax is town. Or can he be a tryhard mafia here? he should be town, but then again one of my main tasks for today needs to be to find the mafia in amongst my townreads | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I'm convinced. I'm voting LM tomorrow. One thing is certain: they wanted to keep ritoky alive. And if they wanted to keep ritoky alive, is that because they would want to try to keep his cop claim untouched. It means they didn't know who the cop was. It means they thought someone else was the cop. I have to figure out who. none of this makes sense, only one or two idiots at most thought that ritoky could plausibly be cop. Everyone else knew he wasn't | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I'm convinced. I'm voting LM tomorrow. One thing is certain: they wanted to keep ritoky alive. And if they wanted to keep ritoky alive, is that because they would want to try to keep his cop claim untouched. It means they didn't know who the cop was. It means they thought someone else was the cop. I have to figure out who. ehhhhhhhhhh | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm okay with this too. I chose the lynch last time, I'll sheep you this time. ##Unvote ##Vote KelsierSC no, no, no. Apart from anything else, look at the bloody lynches we'd have had this game if we let Vivax choose........ | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:49 sicklucker wrote: Like I believe ksc most of what he says makes sense. Hes mafia mvp if he is mmhmm | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:53 sicklucker wrote: we can lynch marv if he doesint try really really hard today and spew town. I think thats the better play hes known to concede as mafia... see: yesterday | ||
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On January 15 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote: So I went ok gb im going to ask a question if you dont ask answer it within 2 minutes im going to asume your mafia. The qeustion - what is the name of your vt role. His answer highway ## I looked at the flips and I think eden was the same highway ## On page 1 the list 13 of mostly vt (1confirmed mafia) is listed where a mafia would have to go and steal one of those to answer the qeustion. So either slam made 2 highway## vt roles or gb is mafia I can confirm with my own role that this does not make GB mafia. Even though he is. But not for that. | ||
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On January 15 2015 18:24 GlowingBear wrote: ##Vote: Sicklucker Artanis (and maybe Vivax), I don't see how you can not have this guy in your team. This vote reeks of desperation... like I would *kind of*, maybe, understand it at a different stage in the game but you'd both backed off your paranoia of sl with pretty solid reasons why sl was town (beyond the obvious), namely the number of mafia that would be pushing the fakeclaim for no reason | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:11 sicklucker wrote: so is this marv world? Let me get this straight town Me artanis vivax ksc Dandred? mafia gb Lm marv sl art kels damd vivax lm gb I have to find the mafia in the middle tier i think | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:15 sicklucker wrote: Arg like I want to live in your world because that means I have been right all game. But maybe ive been wrong? Artanis seems to think so Artanis isn't god. I mean I know my own alignment so I come from a privileged position that I can't really expect you just to take for granted, but I'm not really sure how or why GB is supposed to be town in this situation, it more looks like Artanis created a (plausible i guess) scenario and fitted the pieces in, without at least looking individually. you know it yourself that i tried to push off palmar yesterday, when i went to bed and told people not to lynch palmar i thought that would mean town wouldn't, and leaving a Palmar who's hardpushing me alive is *so fucking stupid* if I'm mafia. And i'm not fucking stupid. kels pushed against it with me and pushed off the Palmar lynch and has been correctly been calling me town, so I'm quite biased in favour of him. The problem is i think i have pretty good reasons to call everyone in the middle tier town, just in one case the reasons aren't good enough | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:17 GlowingBear wrote: I love how you skip all the things I wrote about sicklucker's forced reactions and how you skipped the huge post I've made on damdred, who keeps silent whenever he isn't the push what you wrote on sl is just bullshit narrative | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:32 GlowingBear wrote: Yes it makes, because you're ignoring every town trait I have in this game just to try and make me scum. You've done nothing since day1 marv. DP had suspicions on you. You kept saying that I am scum but never ever tried to get me lynched. Instead, YOLO voted for lazermonkey. You have all the reasons to be scum. Your filter size argument is boring because every other aspect of your gameplay here makes you scum. Twisty twisty. Like, good for DP? Try to sweep away the ritoky lynch/claim I pushed and the Palmar ml you pushed against my instructions all you like. I voted for Lazermonkey because of how he dealt with the shitfest that was going on (ergo he didn't, he sat and watched), while semi-pushing you and plumped his vote on what looked like the leading town ml (me). I'm not "trying to make" anyone mafia, in fact the opposite, but the reasons i have for you being town are so much weaker than for other people. | ||
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well i lost my chess match so i'm in a foul mood, and this vote count doesn't help. still, tomorrow is plenty of time. | ||
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On January 17 2015 00:45 Vivax wrote: Now I just need marv to walk in here and help me, provided he's not scum with art and Kels. I'm not killing Kelsier. I'm just not. | ||
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Vivax has a 49 page filter now? Like yesterday (despite the fact i did not say it) i thought Vivax had to be 3rd mafia because no-one else could be. But more than anyone else he seems to be trying to solve the game in lylo. If he is mafia that's a phenomenal effort. | ||
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I really wanted just to say fuck all you fucking jubjubs for lynching me at lylo, but annoyingly I decided I couldn't just throw the game. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:26 Vivax wrote: Funny, it's just the theory me and Artanis posted last night where we ninjaed each other. Based purely on activity in LYLO, rather than anything more sophisticated and clever. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:21 Vivax wrote: Ok, so need to roll out the LM/Marv/Kelsier theory up again as I currently don't think GB is mafia. Back to rereading. tell me why please | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote: There are few games played by Kelsier, but comparing a scum game from a town game, here is what it looks like: Town Kelsier is marked by aggressiveness http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=KelsierSC&page=12 I've played Guilty Mini Mafia with him and he was extremely aggressive. It was his FIRST game and his stances were really clear. Whoever read him as scum was promptly answered with a hostile post. Also, his posts seems a bit more extensive when town. Check these posts: Mafia Kelsier is marked by relaxation and strong townreads http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=KelsierSC&page=14 Fifth post of his filter: It's the fifth post and he has already got townreads over bad reasons. See that he isn't that aggressive in this post either. Calls people town, but HF is just "weird". Also, look at the bolded on these next quotes. They are similar to some excuses Kelsier brings to the game: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2014 09:43 KelsierSC wrote: I made it clear I thought OO was scum after he just abandoned the thread. Was there a really huge push by anyone d1 of any consequence. you pushed on lian, yep. can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Palmar came into the thread really late and I gave a pretty hard scum read of him, I also gave good reasons why liam is mafia, some of them you included in your big post. but I am not going to push a lynch on someone and maybe ML when it is clear OO is mafia. I wasn't directing pressure away. at the time bh came in with his RNG I really felt it was disruptive to the thread. I don't see how that makes me scummy if I get annoyed when town gets disrupted. and this obi thing is just silly, he was scummy, lots of town agreed with me. I led a push on him. I didn't just sit back or switch to an easier target. On October 15 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote: Slammed at work today, will make my case tonight. my reads haven't changed, slam is still mafia I think palmar is poisoner. given obi is cop. I imagine he checked hf n1 and then n2 he checked someone who died and that is why he didn't reveal. maybe bh was a good check for him. Either way i think the only relevant thing from obi being cop is that he called hf clear town. for palmar he kind of lurked and didn't contribute until d3 and that point his agenda was to kill hf and then wanting the medic to come out. Didn't agree with the logic. I don't like how he has such a strong town read on me. Yeh ive played a town game but my reads have been off considering i wanted to vote obi. for slam, what bugs me is that he admits the mafia is between him and me, then he proceeds to vote on dam, why, does he think dam is poisoner, i don't see how anyone can have that belief , again it just seemed like he wanted to lunch anyone that wasn't him. He also spoke nonsense for two days and was happy to vote obi because bh was doing it. I don't like his reasons. His play yesterday was illogical and he seemed to be wanting to cover his tracks. He was happy to be on a hf is psnr wagon with palmar, why isn't he concerned that palmar is suddenly alive and pushing the lynch on hf. he said "i think palmar and hf are both right" but they were saying different things. then you look at his votes and it doesn't look good either. i will make a case with quotes etc tonight, but csnt really do it in my phone. as for me. Ive been less active last day and night phase but i was still figuring out the game and did some excellent analysis on palmar being poisoner which people just ignored. The main scum read on me is i voted obi. I explained i found him scummy however it is not true that i jumped on a wagon ,.i led the push beginning d2 i had excellent reasons for it. tldr palmar psnr, slam mafia all of GB's meta cases are shit-tier. Seriously the way he introduces townreads in Carol and the way Kelsier introduces them here simply aren't the same by any stretch. And picking up on little bits of wording like that? that's terrible. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I look forward to your contributions. You should read the last 20 pages for starters. yeah not sure when that's supposed to happen. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:37 Vivax wrote: The way he cried for joy when we were lynching Palmar and SL was waffling so hard on switching to him, while GB was believing Palmar to flip red. THen some other point where he went nuts out of joy when Kelsier was uncovered as scum. Can't remember exactly this part and cba to go read it now. so overreactions based on reads pushing a mafia agenda? beautiful | ||
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why do i need to explain to you how a townie narrowly getting voted out over another player is notable? | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote: No, overreactions when he believed that a scum was trying to not switch to another scum. right, so manufactured, given we know how shit went. | ||
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##Vote: Lazermonkey Like I'd really love to vote Kels to save myself, but at this stage of the game saving myself isn't enough to win | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Marv you need to do the thinky thinky for me if you want me to thinky thinky you're town. only got brains for one babe. | ||
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GB/LM/Artanis, Artanis used towncred to push Palmar, GB followed, saves LM from the righteous lynch. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:49 Vivax wrote: Marv if you want me to unvote you, will have to vote Kelsier. you're asking me to choose a 10% over a 0% when I could have a 90% why would i do that? | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you honestly think I could be mafia with how I've played I find it hard to believe that you can't be mafia. yes, it's definitely in my best interests to refuse to vote for the only possible counterwagon (apparently) and call a universal townread mafia. That *must* make me mafia. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:53 Vivax wrote: It's obvious you glossed over all the arguments for why Kels is scum. Simply cause you are buddies. I can't exclude that LM is scum, but I can speculate that you and Kelsier bussed him yesterday to kill him and get the cred required to win the game. Which is why I will vote Kelsier or you, but not LM as that gives Kelsier and you more room to talk yourself out of getting lynched cause you will argue that you called for his lynch so badly. no, it's obvious that you and mafia are pushing Kelsier. Did you actually read, in detail, GB's meta case on Kelsier? It's absolute shit-tier and it attempts to bury Kelsier when his play between the two games is not similar at all. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You had to keep your story straight. Couldn't well falter on KSC now that you've come this far. Also, both Vivax and GB have expressed concerns on me so it's not actually universal anymore. You of all people should know how bad my scumgame is though and know that this is impossible for me. back at you. | ||
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GB's waffling to save his scumpartner is ridiculous. town-mafia-dunno-town-mafia-oh wow this is so hard-blablablabla. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The difference is you usually actually try to figure the game out as town. You just seem to be going with whatever you think will not get you lynched this game. yeah i'm definitely doing that right now, taking the easy route, right??? right?! you also know when i am caught as mafia i return to the thread approximately 0% of the time. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:02 Vivax wrote: You'd like that. Cause there's still the small chance he's just a bad townie and SL the third between you and Kelsier, gonna have to look at the cop claim D2 between SL and Kel to figure if it was all scum-scum interaction to lure out the real cop. you're awful. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:09 sicklucker wrote: hum say you get my vote. Thats 3 you still need 1 more I'll have to lobby Damdred when he's here. And cross my fingers that I can get Vivax on-side, because if I can't get Vivax on-side at some point, then the game is lost regardless | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:13 Vivax wrote: Honestly I can't believe marv isn't scumreading Kelsier after I pointed out how he behaved with ritoky and Artanis D1. They must be scum together. Because his play is totally dissimilar to his scumplay look i'm sure he did stuff that looks dodgy, that's gonna happen in 35 pages of filter or however much it is. you've had a bunch of dodgy shit in your infinity pages too. Like if it came down to the deadline and I had a choice between marv and KSC, I vote KSC. But that's not a good option right now | ||
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Look at the timing of GB's hardpush on Palmar 1.he vaguely threatens that he's going to vote Palmar unless he votes Damdred (lol!!!) 2.he indeed does so 3.marv says "do not lynch Palmar, lynch LM!" 4.Palmar goes to bed 5.LM is a distinct possibility 6.NOW, FUCKING NOW, GB hardpushes Palmar. Not before. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:23 Vivax wrote: No, I ignored each and everyone of GB's meta cases this game cause mafia is an extremely situational game. but YOU SHOULD because GB is misrepresenting KSC horribly, and *that is important* | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote: Marv this reads like you claiming scum and now putting in all effort you can to not lose this game. it's just me poking fun at myself. a) i wouldn't even bother to come back to the thread to say it b) i wouldn't then carry on posting and arguing like what's the point in claiming scum and then trying to play the game :/ | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:30 sicklucker wrote: Unless its something stupid like gb/lm/dandred and they just decided to bus each other all game from day 1 that seems really silly and unlikely though. even though it kinda would be working, it shouldn't be. if you know what i mean | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:31 GlowingBear wrote: Meta case on Kelsier isn't damning, I know it's weak, but the way he played his first game is completely different from the way he played as scum. I couldn't find his other towngame. Some situations are clear: he promises cases but tell he can't do things because he is on a phone, which is do posts bullshit as I'm always on a phone and could do A LOT. These excuses are convenient and can't be found on his towngame. What you can't say, marv, is that my meta case on damdred is bad, because it is really straight forward. And you completely skipped that. Intentionally. your meta case on damdred rests on similar contentions - he made a couple of longer posts in the towngames, and he treats you in a certain way in Russia today that he doesn't here, whereas it seems to me he did his absolute best in this game to engage you. you're just pushing a ml on him too. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:31 GlowingBear wrote: Meta case on Kelsier isn't damning, I know it's weak, but the way he played his first game is completely different from the way he played as scum. I couldn't find his other towngame. Some situations are clear: he promises cases but tell he can't do things because he is on a phone, which is do posts bullshit as I'm always on a phone and could do A LOT. These excuses are convenient and can't be found on his towngame. What you can't say, marv, is that my meta case on damdred is bad, because it is really straight forward. And you completely skipped that. Intentionally. like I could go back in KSC's filter and pick out many posts from this game with a clear direction, and you can't do that in Carol. that's meta. you're cherrypicking him to make him look bad, like you did the same to Damdred. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:36 GlowingBear wrote: The blue fishing is just the same. The townreadings are just the same. Completely fabricated. This may be the biggest line of bullshit in the game. In Carol Kelsier goes around going "oh i'm going to add so and so to my circle because sexypenguins" and has like 10 townreads at the end of d1 for no reason. Like this is such an awful comparison. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:40 GlowingBear wrote: Extreme bullshit. If you can't imagine a 50 page scum Vivax you can't imagine a 50 page scum Marv. 42 page :< | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:41 GlowingBear wrote: I've posted a ridiculous townread on DrH he gave. 9th post of his filter. I can bring more. "Tryhard town", give me a break. er, that's a perfectly good read, especially for early in the game. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever. Looks like you can take any townread he gives and give it a scum narrative. As a townie, he is allowed to give townreads. | ||
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Well let's be honest, i don't come back to the thread as mafia anyway, but i'll let that slide. like I literally come back and push a lynch that only one other player is interested in (Kelsier) which is totally useless in all cases except where i'm town. i don't know why people are coming up with all these ridiculous scenarios of teams and what have you and not going with specific reasoning and passages of play. Namely GB's push on Palmar, Lazer being saved by a whisker, Lazer pathetically pushing GB only to end up on me when it mattered yesterday while avoiding all the important interactions, blablabla. | ||
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On January 17 2015 03:21 Vivax wrote: But I find the last votecount interesting cause it supports the LM + Kels + Marv scumteam. Lazer left his vote on marv before peacing out, which would give him further cred after Lazer flipped. Plus I don't recall Kelsier being around at EoD like the usual times to try and push us onto Lazer. But it's from my memory so can't guarantee I'm right. so what the fuck am I doing today? and yesterday for that matter? I'm in massive trouble, so I come in saying "let's not kill my buddy (KSC), let's kill my other buddy (LM), because then I'll be in so much better a spot tomorrow and things will definitely be ok" also yesterday, marvmafia is going "let's not lynch townpalmar who is hardpushnig me as mafia, let's lynch my buddy" why do people with brains not see this makes no sense. Like people *even noted* I left the door open to read Palmar however I wanted because I was non-committal, but at the end of the day I bloody made my mind up that we shouldn't lynch him ARHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH | ||
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it's bloody lylo and we're sleepwalking towards this? | ||
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On January 17 2015 09:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax and SL said they'd be waking up near deadline. Marv tell me more on the blablabla in Like what more do you need than what I said? It's hard facts rather than speculation that can't be proven one way or another, and that's what we bloody need to use. Here is LM's voting filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474333-imperial-mafia-voting-thread?user=Lazermonkey Note how on the first 2 days, he's solidly on geript. No doubt, no vote moving, geript is *it*. Now obviously I can't justify LM being mafia for this alone, but I'd gently point out I got on Super. And we have points like these: On January 04 2015 19:56 Lazermonkey wrote: lolwtf is this? That claim doesn't make any sense at all. But w/e. If your town you are getting shot anyway. Superbia is a meh lynch right now. Not terrible but basically 100% a lurker lynch. Lurking isn't very alignment indicative and I feel Vivax/Damdred both have a much higher chance of being scum. Seriously, LOOK AT THIS. or this On January 05 2015 09:10 Lazermonkey wrote: waitwat¨ Why lynch super except for that he sucks? or this On January 05 2015 09:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Explain why Superbia is a better lynch than Geript. Superbia was a very viable lynch target on day 2. On January 06 2015 06:36 Lazermonkey wrote: LOL, you said you thought super was scum. You said you were fine with a super lynch. You said you were unsure of geript you OBSERVED that Vivax wasn't lynched but Super was Why wouldn't town switch in this situation? The argument is very good in fact. This is often something I see scum do, since they don't really care what person dies as long as its not one of their team mates. Townies on the other hand, are will try to lynch their best scum read but if that doesn't work out they will lynch their second best and so on. Bingo. BINGO. | ||
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Does anyone remember how long and how hard LM was scumreading GB? Now, how long was his vote on GB? hardly any time at all right? | ||
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On January 08 2015 05:04 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay after after reading superbias and ritoky I think that they both look very bad. But superbia is not here which makes me feel meh about lynching him. I'd rather wait untill he responds before I kill him. #vote: ritoky Look, just look at this post. Two very important things: 1.for some reason he doesn't want to lynch superbia - "meh" 2.this is despite saying superbia looks very bad so this is twofold. first superbia looks very bad but somehow he doesn't want to lynch him. secondly, HOW DOES SUPERBIA LOOK VERY BAD WHEN HE WAS JUST A COINFLIP LURKER LYNCH EARLIER hello town town pls pls | ||
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don't care, all that matters for me right now is town not losing this game right here right now | ||
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plus i was feeling salty at town but 492 page game is too long to lose for being annoyed. anyway, that's a really stupid question. it's much more important to actually look at what i'm saynig right now. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:05 sicklucker wrote: Can I go back to bed? can you try to help me? it's getting down to the wire and i don't want us to lose it all today | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote: Well im reading. Its hard to read because all I see is people think im scum when you clearly explained for a long time why I cant be that's because for mafia, having everyone under some doubt is fricking awesome. | ||
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things will look SO GOOD for us after we lynch LM today and he flips mafia because of the sheer amount of shit today. | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote: All 3 mafia left voted super in this vote. Its very unlikely. yes, it would be absolutely ridiculous. ergo it isn't the case. | ||
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finally it seems like there is some clarity | ||
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if it's Vivax, then well, he did, yes | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:41 sicklucker wrote: I mean someone played good scum here. You guys were making me pick between a world of it being marv or you. I dont see why it cant be vivax. This is a pretty epic game everyone stepped it up. yeah that's the thing. this game is hard as fuck | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:43 liancourt wrote: might as well count a vote lazermonkey (5): Damdred, artanis[xP], sicklucker, marvellosity, KelsierSC marvellosity (3): lazermonkey, Glowingbear, Vivax Currently lazermonkey is set to be lynched. so it seems like maybe mafia went all-in on voting me and just fell short right at the end? | ||
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if he's not on this minute, could we get a flip please? | ||
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hts had zero effect on anything at all. so there's not much point getting salty about it. | ||
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justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted 01-16-2015 07:06 PM ET (US) I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this? because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? | ||
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On January 17 2015 19:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Artanis, really really well played yo. Damdred, you played well also. The buss was really well done IMO. so little credit, lol :< the main thing that baffled me was how many townies pushed on people who were almost certainly town. like Vivax pushing on jat and sl just made my mind 'splode. And then Vivax constantly attacks me for not agreeing with his narratives when the narratives are always nonsense :/ | ||
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not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one. edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide! Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs. | ||
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Palmar and GB caught Damdred because Damdred was totally uninteresting compared to his towngame. But there was so much extracurricular noise that it just didn't matter. | ||
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On January 17 2015 20:22 Lazermonkey wrote: but calling people obvious townies was kinda what made us lose in a sense, no? no, because you lynch the mafia in front of you (Damdred, marv) and you give yourself the time you need to figure out the sleeper (Artanis) at a later date. | ||
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On January 17 2015 20:30 Lazermonkey wrote: I dunno. Its possible you would've nailed everyone if you were town. i should clarify that i am not claiming that at all :p | ||
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On January 17 2015 20:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Haha, okey. But still. And regarding Damdred, his push on superbia seemed very genuine. I seldom see scum players make bussus of that kind. So even though it may be true that he wasn't invovled, I still felt good about him. it's not uncommon at all babe. especially on 'dead' members (totally inactive, looking really scummy already) | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote: It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Unfortunately a lot of people do that.. for no apparent reason. ![]() yes, like you, lol. you just justify it at the time/after saying it was reasonable, when actually it's just the same ![]() | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well then it was probably bad play. that's an incorrect viewpoint to look at it really. Probably sl shouldn't have fakeclaimed, and on several of the times you fakeclaimed, neither should you. "what did the other townies think" seems to be a rather bankrupt way to look at it. "I made a great case on all 5 mafia individually and collectively, but town all thought i was scum for it" - well, you can't blame the outcome on the original action. sl fakeclaiming was silly, but the way it went down made him absolutely town (esp. when it came to light later that multiple mafia had pushed the claim), and GB and Vivax being suspicious of him was insanely dumb. | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:34 justanothertownie wrote: I said this when I thought HTS had nothing to do with this game at all. fwiw, if like DP had appeared in the QT making the occasional comment, i'd have definitely wondered what was going on. I knew several players had shadows, though, and I knew HTS was a newbie, so I just assumed that's what it was. So in that fashion the experience of HTS was relevant (as to one of your posts above) | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:37 justanothertownie wrote: GB and Vivax both have a thing for being suspicious of obvious townies though. So there is that. GB is still pretty new, and hopefully he should grow out of it. Vivax should have absolutely been able to see that sl was clear town though. And with you also. | ||
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There's little to no point arguing with you about it really. | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote: It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it. Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points. But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well. I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything 1st paragraph: ye 2nd: i may try to elaborate at some point, but i don't think it's the fluff 3rd: thx bbe 4th: they're both important, and usually they should work together. For example, Artanis was forgiven for the Palmar push because of his "gameplay" but it actually massively pushed mafia agenda (and Palmar instantly called Artanis certain mafia when he woke up dead and saw) | ||
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On January 17 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh damn jat you're right. I didn't process it was a shadow saying that, but yeah that's obviously unacceptable and it could've been game altering depending on if we would've seen it and what slam would've said if we submitted a doublestack. no. I knew we couldn't double stack. | ||
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On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote: I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote: It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:11 justanothertownie wrote: The way I see this is that you will try to manage this and get scumread for it. Then you will have to post more anyways to not get lynched. Or you will have to post more to get the lynch you want naturally. And if you do that you will have to cut all those little unimportant posts that can also show that you are town. This is not the best idea you ever had. don't you remember hogwarts? | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:15 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, I do. But you smurfed in hogwarts which is an important difference. it is, but i still looked extremely town regardless. so it's definitely possible. | ||
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marv town Palmar mafia no world at all | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What do you feel was different about it? It was a very concise point on why LM was scum. probably the thing that looked most like me in many days at any rate lol. i could see myself going after that (wrongly) as town too :< | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:37 Palmar wrote: Yes, didn't I try to force you into that position at one point? yes, you did, and it was essentially successful. like there's a bunch of players i know (like you) and a bunch of players who townmarv should be reading as town, and then there's mafia I'm trying not to bus (If i bus Damdred, damdred dies), and... that leaves me with nothing. you were right to do it | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote: yep he has to. Marv will should win a scumteam a game. His job is to distract town for long enough to allow his team to sweep up. Most higher profile players need to take this role because in the end it will be obvious they are mafia. The alternative option is sooo difficult to pull off. Yeah, this all over. Artanis definitely mafia MVP but there's no way I can possibly be alive on d6 and not be obvious mafia in this game, it's basically impossible. Not getting lynched (and winning the game) is essentially as good as I can possibly get in a game like this. I think this is the 7th time i've survived lylo as mafia... | ||
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On January 18 2015 02:25 geript wrote: See what happens when a bunch of baddies lynch Geript. I am accepting apologies for your stupidity now. you did yourself zero favours buddy. | ||
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