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On December 29 2014 08:17 Tubesock wrote: Can I shadow you? Mostly I'll just ask newby dumb questions. Shadowing, basically means I can pm you with questions? Sure. We'll have a QT to ourselves. | ||
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On December 31 2014 09:08 batsnacks wrote: It starts in 4 hours right? Or do we need ppl to sign up still? 5 hours. Given my current sleep schedule that's right when I go to bed ._. | ||
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This is a normal game. Let's not add in more variables like vig RNGs and stuff like that, please. | ||
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On December 31 2014 22:08 Koshi wrote: *trows some attention to Artanis* It seems like you need it. Thanks bbygirl <3, I needed that. | ||
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On December 31 2014 22:24 Koshi wrote: I kinda feel that the events in this game so far have been analyzed enough. I need something new and fresh. I should keep a log of my reading through the thread. Page 18. It has been 30 minutes since I started reading the thread. Since then, a man has made a joke about being too busy reading the scum qt. Another man made a joke about this joke and posted about how they should lynch all liars. Then a lot of words happened and somehow there are scumreads now. ...I was expecting it to be more epic than this when I started writing. | ||
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On December 31 2014 22:33 Koshi wrote: I blame America. That's very unpatriotic of you. Oh I really don't like TheChyz' entry, basically shitflinging from the side and concluding without attempting to become part of the discussion. He has a few opinions but none of them are strong and then he doesn't ask any questions to bolster his reads. Chyz why aren't you asking any questions? On December 31 2014 17:40 sicklucker wrote: Dude I was mafia in final 3 in a game where you were town. Thats why im calling bullshit on your reads on me. We have never been the same alignment and you wont even admit you have mafia meta on me. As for not listening to people who I thought were mafia I was right about every single one of them. Even hf I was stringing along who I said was 95% mafia. So like your reads totally wrong and made up im calling you out. Your my top scum so far. If there's one thing that rarely happens in mafia games, it's misrepresenting someone's meta intentionally. It's such an easy thing to check that I think it's more likely that Ritoky simply misremembered here. I like Dr. Helvetica's case on Chyz even if it's a bit repetitive. Though I also like Koshi's point about the strange lower than expected activity line which feels off. However, my problem with your defense of Chyz, Koshi, is that whilst Chyz might've been correct in that it wasn't going anywhere, he did make reads off it that weren't strong enough to vote for, so why doesn't he either pursue the issue with more questions or try to move the topic if he feels like it's been exhausted? Idgi. On December 31 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote: geript is sort of scummy in some respects. I have no idea why 20 minutes into the game he started wishing for random people to be there to talk to him. Also, everything he says is sort of... too clean? not dumb enough? I don't know how to describe it and it's just a feeling based on memory, I haven't gone back and re-read, so I'd need to confirm. Palmar confirmed town for making me laugh. I also kinda agree that we haven't really had a Geript moment of insight yet, which reminds me a bit of LXI where he just waddled through. I would like to hear Geript's dumb reasons for considering Dr.Helvetica town. | ||
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On December 31 2014 22:58 Koshi wrote: You think this is mafia entering the thread? Why? He is trying to stop the shitposting. 1) Did you find Dr.H. opening post alignment indicative? 2) Why do you think ritoky went after Dr.H. so hard? 3) Do you disagree with TheChyz that ritoky was just filling his filter? 4) He ended his opening post asking ritoky to do something constructive. That's right on the money. Pro town. 1) I agree that it isn't alignment indicative. 2) Because he thought he found a bone to pick on. It's too early to say whether that's because he just wants a target or because he legitimately believes he has something here. All I remember from Ritoky is his USA USA USA campaign in Cell. 3) I don't have enough information to say that one way or the other. 4) Telling people to do something constructive when you're not doing anything constructive yourself is not pro town. It's stating the obvious whilst not doing it yourself. Chyz has not asked any questions. He's not trying to solve the game. | ||
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What specifically bothers you by Geript enough to vote for him? | ||
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On December 31 2014 23:17 Koshi wrote: Two things Dr.H. said. First thing was about geripts buddying to Dr.H. The second thing was that geript just came by this morning to say "Koshi you are pretty awesome" after I made that post on Eden. And I guess I am missing some geripts starpower in this game. Kelsier his case was pretty good as well. I like this post because you made it in 3 minutes so you didn't think much about it and it instantly fit into the way you thought about the game with your suspicions on Dr. Helvetica. Feels very genuine. I like you this game Koshi, wanna be friends? I think I'll sheep you for being handsome. ##Unvote ##Vote Geript | ||
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On January 01 2015 00:24 geript wrote: My initial reaction to Marv was that I think he's mafia. I'll figure it out later on for sure. And I don't have great reasons why I think this, but I do have a 100% read on Marv. ??? Is Marv 100% mafia or not? Also the fact that you don't want to be friends with me makes me very sad and very angry. The pitchfork and noose kind of angry. On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz That's pretty much the exact reason I gave though; not following through with new discussion after saying the current one was pointless, so why do you say "people" are attacking him for the wrong reasons? | ||
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On January 01 2015 00:51 geript wrote: 100% as in I've never read him wrong as town. As for mafia or not, idk for sure yet. He is the only vet that I'm not leaning town on currently. We can be friends Artanis, but watch out after I flip people will call you scummy for buddying me. Best to leave that vote where it is wink wink. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TNsVA7h.gif) | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:06 KelsierSC wrote: Artanis can you give a read on some other players who have spoken. Ritoky and DrH specifically. I dunno what to think about Dr. Helvetica, probably leaning town because people with a critical mass of words tend to be town, and I agree with him on Chyz being suspect though that might be my own bias as documented before. I've already given my read on Ritoky. All I remember from him is a ridiculous USA USA USA campaign in Cell. He seems like a spazzy player. Need more info to discern between him going after someone for the sake of it or if there's method to the madness. | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:07 geript wrote: Actually, after reading/thinking about Koshi. I think I'm going to move him back into null. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Why? | ||
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On January 01 2015 01:18 geript wrote: Because it was mostly based off of him feeling Eden off initially. It's something that's harder to do as mafia and he posted ok-ish reasons. To some extent I even "got" why he suspected me. But when I read his 2-page filter (first page is really setup), there's nothing I find particularly insightful or Marv-lite how I remember him playing as town. Plus, I'm kinda scared because I think my past two games with him I've town read him for bad reasons and been wrong both times. Don't you feel that his response to my question about his read on you was pretty townie though? It showed intense clarity of thought on his behalf, with a very coherent story. Which I am now thinking about and I'm wondering what I was thinking because I don't understand myself anymore. Koshi was suspicious of Dr. H. Koshi found Geript's buddying of Dr. H suspicious. But that wouldn't make sense if Koshi thought Dr. H was suspicious because scum buddying scum doesn't help them as much as buddying town. Can someone explain me my own logic because I think I lost the plot | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote: Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:09 geript wrote: I've called him town twice so far I think. But shhhh, don't tell those people who think I'm mafia. It could look bad for me. It would be beneficial if you stopped being sarcastically passive-aggressive dear. I don't feel like lynching you at this point in time though. ##Unvote ##Vote IAmRobik <3 | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:12 IAmRobik wrote: Do you actually believe you'll get me lynched unless people vote me out of spite? Let me point you to something..... It will be 0/15 after this game. I think I'll get you lynched if you're scum or if you do not catch up to the thread. If you catch up and show that you are not scum, then I'll be happy to unvote you. Right now you are wasting space. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:16 IAmRobik wrote: We're getting off on the wrong foot -- see the thing is...i'm town, so even if i'm wasting space, you shouldn't lynch me...especially on day 1. Everyone here knows that I'm a super productive member of town, even if I'm a pain in the ass. So I implore you to give me the benefit of the doubt and just accept that I will come out firing when I have the time to put into the game -- which just so happens to be AFTER A FUCKING HOLIDAY Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such. On January 01 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote: So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that? Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:23 IAmRobik wrote: The issue is that I have openly admitted that I don't have it in me to try today/tomorrow. 1) I'm grinding HS ladder now trying to hit legend before tomorrow 2) I have a busy night ahead of me 3) I'm going to be nursing a hangover tomorrow and seeing my parents Just leave me alone!!!!!!!!  Plus, the only reason I kept posting hi was because no one was responding to me and no one acknowledged my existence .... that's why i kept posting it. If someone had responded to my hello last night, I might have actually conversed with that person You seem motivated to keep your streak as, I presume, unlynched town up so if you're town I expect you to step up. If you're mafia, you probably won't bother so I see it as the perfect test! | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote: Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff What's the point of this question? On January 01 2015 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for? Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts. Do you have a scumread on Koshi? | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote: @Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too. Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well. Missed this post earlier. I'd remove Chyz. I'm really torn on him right now. I think Eden is also likely town for prying into every little hole, though I haven't seen him play scum so I'm not sure if he does the same as scum but it fits his town meta even if the bit about Dr.H in the start was a bit weird. I definitely don't want to lynch him D1 in any case. I haven't paid much attention to sicklucker, and I like Kelsier for how he's been pressuring people and asking questions. | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:49 geript wrote: I find how much he holds onto the expected meta case a bit weird and wasn't sure what to think of it. That and I don't feel like spending an hour to read 4 other games when he only has a 2 page filter. Plus I don't want to go back and have to figure out his usual post count and content per day. Alright, let's reconstruct this. I believe it started here: On December 31 2014 14:35 sicklucker wrote: ##vote geript for voting for shitty reasons because mafia would do that right? ;p Geript replies 10 minutes later asking if he only played town before, then asks for a link to his previous scumgame which sicklucker declines. Sicklucker then brings it up again later (Geript asks for an opinion from Dr. H in the meantime) after which: On December 31 2014 15:57 geript wrote: It's ok babygirl. I've never meta'd anyone ever before. You'll be getting my meta v-card. Possibly a joke, but it could definitely be interpreted as serious. If he does interpret it as serious I can see someone like sicklucker chasing the bone. Given his pretty proactive game so far I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. Is that your only reason for finding him suspect? | ||
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On January 01 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote: + Show Spoiler [wall of reads] + finally caught up in the thread, don't have a lot of time because new years is a busy day in the ER; just gonna copy/paste my notes in the thread; sorry i can't be more engaged: note - trying not to null read anyone from this point forward, list everyone as town or scum unless they haven't posted koshi - his wording in certain cases seems like he is trying to appease (i.e. "TheChyz is not scummy to me. I am not saying he is a townread but the case Dr.H. makes is not how I read Chyz." and other cases of not saying people's alignment ex: calling me and drh meh), says needs something new and fresh doesn't make it happen. mafia pile gb - did his "not reading the thread" shtick which he did as town twice before, done nothing else. town pile *geript - start of game was town: jokes, prodding, pushing for answers, calling someone's case horrible. did mafia thing where promised information in terms of meta reads on people, hasn't delivered. dunno why, think this post is super town: "At some point yah. But I'd like to have a read on most of the people in the game. There's way too many inactives right now. Maybe when I reread I'll realize I'm being dumb idk. We'll see." could be wrong, look into again later. town pile for now* artanis - asking questions, pushing for answers to his questions, him being "torn" about chyz seems a little odd not enough to worry now, but watch to see how that read develops. town pile lazer - says won't lynch drh, then null reads me for essentially the same reason. makes not very much sense. has a torn sentiment on geript like me and skeptical of koshi like me. could be wrong, but read too strange. mafia pile marv - supposedly great town player, managed 2nd page of filter while doing remarkably little. read on me seems lazy and inaccurate. mafia pile ^jat - bleeding town out of every orofice. town pile^ *robik - made it to almost 2 pages of his filter while complaining about not having time to play, could have spent time playing. promises to wreck, worth waiting until tomorrow to see because strong town player. town pile* thechyz - posts seem incredibly honest...can't place finger on it. could be slight donkey, but really seemed concerned about thread direction. snap omgus'd drH, which seems more town responsive in the context. town pile palmar - agree with lots of his reads, don't like excuses. town pile damdred - has a non-lazy meta read on me as opposed to marv. pushing thread in productive direction and correcting others for misrepresenting people's arguments. town pile *batsnacks - someone (look up later) said batsnacks has been playing differently. seems like same town batsnacks to me. could have bad read on him. town pile* SL - bizarre play. seemed to be trying to defuse me and drH arguing early, has weird interaction where he demands i have a read on him, when i don't. formulates a bunch of random thoughts in regards to me not remembering previous game. no idea what he is talking about in the slightest. none of his other reads are formulated in a coherent way, done nothing townie. mafia pile vivax - no post *kels - evolving reads, when i was mafia last game with him had static reads that didn't change much of the game, currently his reads seem more fluid, probably town or got better at mafia. this was the guy who said bats playing differently, watch that read. town pile* ritoky - town jesus drH - guy contradicting himself all over the place. stupid policy crap, doesn't follow through. forgotten about it entirely at this point. no idea what he is doing. dumpster case on chyz, pot calling kettle black. calling out for hypocrisy not because he is actually scum. has largest filter, probably town unfortunately. is most likely donkey, be wary of his reads they may be bad. town pile eden - town town town. giving reads unprovoked, not folding when pressured, commenting when unsolicited. seems invested in reads makes very good point about the timing of chyz's post and people exploiting it to get a read on chyz even though the situation had kinda already defused itself. town pile *rebirth - "i'm here guys! notice me senpai!" into nothing. scum pile for now* superbia - no post Forcing yourself to have a read on people that are null is pretty dumb and I have no idea why you consider me being torn on Chyz when there's been so many words on him scummy. Can you explain that to me? I also have no idea why you think that geript quote is super town. Whyo do you feel JAT is "bleeding town out of every orifice"? JAT has completely ransacked a bunch of good town players in one game and I haven't seen anything from him that I think he's incapable of doing as mafia. Why is Robik on the town pile when your reads state nothing townie about him other than a vague promise, and why is RoL scum for saying the exact same thing? Dr. H, your wall of texts tend to K.O. me. Could you run the most important points by me as brief as possible? | ||
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Robik could you try not to be insufferable today? | ||
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On January 01 2015 23:13 IAmRobik wrote: Artanis...why are you so mean to me. I just want to be left alone I'm currently in bed with my gf and 2 other girls. That alone should give me a 3 day passLynch all liars. On January 01 2015 23:32 Palmar wrote: I just realized I'm on page 26. Jesus. Have fun. | ||
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On January 02 2015 00:59 Palmar wrote: a) I'm not rereading Lazer until I finish the thread (probably not this cycle). b) Robik and Chyz should probably be off the table based on the stuff I said about them in my big list. This leaves geript as your vote by process of elimination! Sweet! I really want to lynch Robik though. Also, I'm still waiting for Dr.H's tl;dr post for why Chyz is scum. I wonder if he can do it. And you should really reread Lazer because there's a good chance he's going to end up on the table this cycle and you might have to choose between two non-Geript entities. | ||
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On January 02 2015 01:06 Palmar wrote: I won't have to if you just support my case. By our powers combined I'm sure we can get geript lynched. A few other people also said they'd support a geript lynch. Time to put your money where your mouth is! But if we get Geript lynched we can't lynch Robik I enjoy having Geript in the game so it's much harder to motivate myself to lynch him. If he starts posting gifs I don't think I could. | ||
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On December 31 2014 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Maybe you're right. I just always have a strong averse reaction to people saying "go do something useful" whilst not doing something useful. It rustles my jimmies, so to say. What specifically bothers you by Geript enough to vote for him? On December 31 2014 23:17 Koshi wrote: Two things Dr.H. said. First thing was about geripts buddying to Dr.H. The second thing was that geript just came by this morning to say "Koshi you are pretty awesome" after I made that post on Eden. And I guess I am missing some geripts starpower in this game. Kelsier his case was pretty good as well. He hadn't really elaborated yet why he suspected Geript, but when questioned he instantly had a story without having to think about it. | ||
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@Lazer Though my desire to lynch Robik is strong, I don't actually believe he's the best lynch. I dunno whom between you and Geript I want to lynch. I think I'm leaning towards Geript because Palmar is pretty handsome. On January 02 2015 00:25 Palmar wrote: I feel like unlike Koshi, geript did basically nothing to actually advance his read or influence anyone to follow him. It's the difference of passively "being right" (in case chyz is town) and aggressively defending him (like koshi did). Geript feels so complacent about the lynch. He has a few candidates posted (sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier) for whom I've only heard arguments for sicklucker (which were pretty poor). That said, it's weird for both town and mafia Geript to be this complacent, but it's weirder for Town Geript to not push through what he thinks is the best lynch. | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Wonder how good the odds are that still no one will evem read all this I believe in the philosophy that if you can't explain a scumread in a few sentences it's not a good scumread. I think Syllogism once said something in that sense. Palmar did that quite well. I'm waiting for your tl;dr edition on your TheChyz read. | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm waiting for your tl;dr edition on your TheChyz read. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/53gxHD9.png) The point regarding the very different play from his old game is good though. On January 02 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote: What makes Chyz actually look worse for me is that he just disappeared when the pressure was over and didn't show up since then. Why did slam start this game at NYE -.- Agreed. The most damning point might still be how he told everyone to look elsewhere for discussion, then never really did anything himself. I'm good with both a Geript and Chyz lynch. Preferably carpet bomb them both somehow tbh. On January 02 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote: Marvs towngame is to play well and very active. Marvs scumgame is to not do jackshit. What do you think he is doing this game? The game didn't have a start date for the longest time. If Marv planned shit for NYE I'm not going to lynch him for it. | ||
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On January 02 2015 03:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think I'll just lynch whoever doesn't come back today between Geript and Chyz. On January 02 2015 03:45 TheChyz wrote: Happy New Years! I'll be catching up on the thread for the next few minutes. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NJOo3nF.gif) | ||
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It's not his only questionable read. I've got a few questions outstanding for him on his reads that I want him to address when he gets back. If he doesn't get back he's on the table to me too tbh. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote: don't like this list: people i don't want to lynch for some reason: 1; Koshi 4; Artanis[XP] 6; Marvellosity 7; justanothertownie 8; IAmRobik 10; Palmar 11; Damdred 15; KelsierSC 17; DoctorHelvetica 18; Eden1892 Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up: 5; Lazermonkey 9; TheChyz Wat r u doing 2; GlowingBear 14; Vivax 19; RebirthOfLeGenD 20; Superbia Some PoE title: 3; Geript 12; batsnacks 13; sicklucker 16; ritoky I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff. I'd put Chyz and Lazer at PoE and swap sicklucker there. Never played with sl but I have no issues with anything he's posted. He sits firmly in null for me. I don't mind batsnacks much either but haven't looked into him too much. I guess I should. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote: The townlist isn't actually a townlist. It is a do not lynch list. Unless I am really really wrong here. This is what I was going off too. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:50 Palmar wrote: If he's town, you're mafia. 100%. Just lay down and die if he flips town. We should really just use this flowchart. It's pretty much perfect. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yKtBr1g.png) | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:57 Palmar wrote: Yes. One thing that particularly stands out to me is that I'm sort of in the driver's seat on this lynch, and geript hasn't even mentioned or addressed me at all. Like all he has to do is change my mind, but for some reason he's shying away from any interaction with me. Well, you haven't been around until recently so that's a reasonable consideration. It's weird that he hasn't really defended the main points against him or really push anyone. Just calls Lazer an "ok lynch", calls Eden a "pretty good lynch", decides Marv is scum again yet he seems to have no interest in actively not getting lynched. It's really weird because no matter his alignment he shouldn't want to get lynched. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:03 justanothertownie wrote: Noone in this game ever gives reasons for his read on me. Dunno about Geript but you wrecked that one game as scum pretty hard and I'm never townreading you again. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:05 geript wrote: Also, fwiw Artanis, I saw this lynch coming yesterday. Considering the situation, activity, etc. It's a really hard lynch to get out of and all I can do is do my best to steer who to next. But you've been here plenty and none of what you've done helped steer the town into a good direction. I can't claim to have pushed strongly onto anyone either (mainly because of uncertainty) but it feels like all of your posts have just been weak observations that didn't go anywhere. Why have you been so complacent in the time that you did have? I see requests for clarifications and observations with a few exceptions, like when you asked me about sl/eden/kelsier, which you then didn't follow up on. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:23 Palmar wrote: If geript is town, JAT is confirmed scum too. I'm almost hoping geript is town now so we'll have back to back confirmed scum lynches. This sounds fantastic. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote: To be honest. There is more. I am town. Therefore geript must be mafia for TMI. How else would he know I'm town? Since you're certain Geript is mafia, if he's not you must be mafia too. 3 for 1. This is getting better and better. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:44 IAmRobik wrote: What if we lynxh ritoky...many people brought up his terrible list post and how it contradicted itself 300 times but no one wants to lynch him? Weird. Also, if he flips mafia, I'm definitely TMI cleared (I wanted to bring this up and then I saw palmar make a similar comment about himself and someone else...I only bring this up because I thought it was funny) Anyone know when end of day is? If he doesn't show up today I'll be happy to switch over. Friday, Jan 02 5:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:33 sicklucker wrote: when you dont give me any credit for being the first person in the thread to push them? yes What do you think of Lazer? | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote: Hes like my third its probably not happening. Does that mean your third suspect, or? | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:49 sicklucker wrote: Not really like hes third on my list more for policy. I suspect people over him just I dont expect him to contribute so a semi policy lynch. I dont lynch him today ever tbh. Hold on. Your primary suspicion on Marv as far as I understand is parroting you without giving you credit despite having the same 2 main scumreads, yet you don't really suspect Lazermonkey whom did the same thing? He even mentioned no one had made the point he made before. On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Later, when I call him out on it he acknowledges it. On January 01 2015 00:53 Lazermonkey wrote: Yhea, I know. Though you were (I think) the first person to say that. What's different about Marv's case where you were supposedly first that makes you suspect Marv over Lazer? | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote: + Show Spoiler [wall of text] + On January 01 2015 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Forcing yourself to have a read on people that are null is pretty dumb and I have no idea why you consider me being torn on Chyz when there's been so many words on him scummy. Can you explain that to me? I also have no idea why you think that geript quote is super town. Whyo do you feel JAT is "bleeding town out of every orifice"? JAT has completely ransacked a bunch of good town players in one game and I haven't seen anything from him that I think he's incapable of doing as mafia. Why is Robik on the town pile when your reads state nothing townie about him other than a vague promise, and why is RoL scum for saying the exact same thing? Dr. H, your wall of texts tend to K.O. me. Could you run the most important points by me as brief as possible? forcing myself to place people in a definitive pile in my notes is more beneficial for me; particularly on day 1. i think most people should take definitive stances on players personally. the prevalence of null reads being seen as okay only allows mafia to hide better by giving them frequently and ignoring partners. as for you being torn on chyz, i was quoting your post: On January 01 2015 02:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Missed this post earlier. I'd remove Chyz. I'm really torn on him right now. I think Eden is also likely town for prying into every little hole, though I haven't seen him play scum so I'm not sure if he does the same as scum but it fits his town meta even if the bit about Dr.H in the start was a bit weird. I definitely don't want to lynch him D1 in any case. I haven't paid much attention to sicklucker, and I like Kelsier for how he's been pressuring people and asking questions. Here's you stating you're torn on chyz and want geript to remove him from his town list. i see since you have moved on to placing geript as your top scum, will be interested in how you went from talking to him like he is pretty town right here to voting for him as scum when i get there in the thread. as for the read on geript. there's something really town about him electing to withhold information there when he is under pressure. like someone is prying into him for information and rather than be like "here you go to appease you" he tells the person to piss off and he will deliver it later. haven't caught up, don't know if he has. if he hasn't delivered then that's a probelm; if he has then he is town. re: JAT, he is town. read his filter, if you can't see why it is plain as day he is town then you're reading a different thread than i am. i think no one in the entire game is more town than JAT. i think i have only played with him once when he was mafia and like 4x when he was town. the 1 time he was mafia was really apparent based on his voting record. robik i am willing to wait a day on because i respect his aggro play as town, it makes an environment that is hard for scum to thrive in. he promises, if he doesn't deliver he dies tomorrow. plain and simple. i have some hesitations because he is doing a lot of reacting instead of acting which isn't his town style, but i am willing to hold off 1 day. you're misrepresenting my reads if you think my RoL read is the same: On January 01 2015 09:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: alrighty then. I apparently missed my role PM just got it. Hi everyone. Let me go catch up to the apparent 25 pages of most likely nonsense that has been posted. this post is a complete mafia lurker prototypical post. "hi i am here, everyone notice me for a second then forget about me, i am behind in pages that is why i am not doing well, will deliver on it later! also i don't have much time!" people who post like this especially early (that aren't named GB) never deliver the goods and usually squeak into the late phases of the game as mafia. I don't change my tone unless prompted when talking to my suspects. Geript remained civilized through the conduct and thus so did I. I find your reasoning pretty thin. You're inferring a lot from quite little with RoL and Robik and you're not being very specific with JAT. Maybe you can read him better than I can, or you haven't seen his Mafia A-game yet. I think you believe what you're saying though so I don't want to lynch you today. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:17 Vivax wrote: You can ask me about geript. I have no real guess about geript lol. I've read the bit where marv calls him out for trying to find holes in his list and geript then calls him 100 % mafia, and I've set it aside cause it just looked uninteresting. I didn't find what geript wrote about marv's stuff on two guys as outrageous as marv did, and for the moment I don't really care about geript and didn't spend so much time thinking over him as I did over LM's post and TheChyz. How can you not care for him when he's the leading lynch less than 5 hours before the deadline? | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:21 Vivax wrote: If I can make a point in my favour it's cause I focus on the stuff I find interesting in a specific moment rather than paying attention to bandwagon politics? Still gotta read what this geript stuff is all about but when I posted the bits I found interesting he kept being brought up and I didn't really get why. Usual stuff when you're not caught up it's like everybody talks past you. Will you have enough time to catch up before the deadline? | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Of course i will be switching to geript if there is a chance someone other than him thechyz is lynched. Second option is better than nothing I'm ok with both lynches tbh. It kinda sucks to have two martyrs and only one noose. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:38 GlowingBear wrote: Can someone link me to the reasons on why we should lynch Robik? Are there any reasons not to? No really, why are you bringing this up? | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:39 GlowingBear wrote: I mean geript* On January 02 2015 01:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: + Show Spoiler [snip] + JAT, I'm willing to write off Marv's and anyone else's inactivity on NYE. If he keeps playing like this on D2 he's a lynch candidate for sure though. @Lazer Though my desire to lynch Robik is strong, I don't actually believe he's the best lynch. I dunno whom between you and Geript I want to lynch. Geript feels so complacent about the lynch. He has a few candidates posted (sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier) for whom I've only heard arguments for sicklucker (which were pretty poor). That said, it's weird for both town and mafia Geript to be this complacent, but it's weirder for Town Geript to not push through what he thinks is the best lynch. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:41 Vivax wrote: Artanis you seem fairly confident on this geript stuff but halfway through his filter I refreshed and saw you urging Koshi to keep his vote on him, then went and looked at your filter and well... Other than some early Koshi-sheep-hand-holding on his geript case I don't really see why you think he's mafia. Can you sum it up for me? Post I just posted and this On January 02 2015 06:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: But you've been here plenty and none of what you've done helped steer the town into a good direction. I can't claim to have pushed strongly onto anyone either (mainly because of uncertainty) but it feels like all of your posts have just been weak observations that didn't go anywhere. Why have you been so complacent in the time that you did have? I see requests for clarifications and observations with a few exceptions, like when you asked me about sl/eden/kelsier, which you then didn't follow up on. On January 02 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And I do think people would've listened had you attempted to make an impact on the game. It just feels like you haven't tried to do so. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote: Like, THIS post is very townie. It correctly reads Eden and his reasoning seems very fluid. It also keeps discussion going on, and he keeps the push on Eden. I find this very townie. I agree that it's a good point, but I think it's also very straightforward. It's more like Geript was the first one at the crime scene, but more people picked up on it. It wasn't a grand insight. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:53 GlowingBear wrote: Filter length is alignment indicative for marv. Even he admitted it on Russia Today. You were ther, dude. He had 11 pages of filter. He has 3 here. This not being discussed goes towards the scenario where marv is mafia. I can't believe in a world where scum wouldn't pick this up and try to get marv lynched day one. It means a lot. I think Marv has a decent excuse, but I actually like your point about how scum would've picked up on it and tried to push Marv, though JAT did. Three possibilities. 1. JAT is scum and wanted to lynch townMarv 2. JAT isn't scum and scum were too scared to try and lynch townMarv fearing the wrath of his return 3. Marv is scum. It's something to discuss on D2 though, Marv isn't getting lynched today. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: More than one person pushed marv JAT's the only one I remember. The rest mustn't have tried very hard. | ||
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Oh right, that. Anyway, I feel like we should refocus our discussion on the lynchable targets. I'd say that's Geript, TheChyz and Vivax, maaybe Lazer. Get coherent thoughts on these people so we have something to look at after the flip. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:05 Vivax wrote: Yes Artanis and I already said why I don't like your arguments on geript. They are more meta-heavy and while you might see them as given ,everyone else who doesnt have experience with geripts meta won't simply accept them. Something more concrete like the points on Chyz would be appreciated, provided you really want to convince me on geript. At least the first half of his filter didn't scream mafia to me so if you had to bring up non-meta-stuff, what would it be? When you look through Geript's filter, do you see someone that's trying to solve the game? I see someone asking filler questions, stating the obvious with original thoughts few and far between. Now if you consider how long his filter is and how experienced and, according to many myself included pretty decent at the game, it's hard to reconcile that with a town alignment. It just feels like he's trying to stay alive. I dunno how my original argument was meta anyway. All it presumes is that Geript isn't a bad player. On January 02 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote: Didnt you already call my early 2 filter marv scum read bad? How do yo forget that. I want you to be my top town so much If I had to remember everything I called bad I'd need more brain capacity. On January 02 2015 10:16 justanothertownie wrote: I made that point ages before GB did and GB knows very well that we aren't lynching marv right now. GB expanded on it with that Mafia should've jumped on it though. Looking back a few more people accused him than I remembered so it's not as good, but that was new. Anyway, focus on lynch candidates please~ | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote: Artanis. You make me sad. You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town | ||
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-Holding back information until questioned (read reasons on Dr.H, read reasons on Koshi) -Laying out lines and never getting back to them (questioned me on what I thought of sl/eden/kels, never got back to me when I expanded upon it, so I pulled him back on it and it felt like he didn't have much thought behind it) -Doesn't care about getting lynched + Show Spoiler + On January 01 2015 05:44 geript wrote: Lots of people seem to think that I'm the lynch. Kinda scary because I doubt many people will actually ahve read the thread by the end of the day or half of it and most of the vets seem to be on that train. But meh. I really dgaf about that. People are just historically bad at reading me correctly. -A large part of his filter is just.. not saying anything. I mean scroll through it, put up a notepad and fill in what you've learned. -Throws suspicion in every which way but doesn't pursue anything. + Show Spoiler [examples] + On January 02 2015 04:23 geript wrote: First off, I'm really surprised that more people don't want to lynch Robik. New Years has fucked with us all I imagine in addition to the surprise start, but Town!Robik tends to play quite differently. He's aggressive; he bounces all over the place. He makes huge sweeping townreads that are the craziest shit I've ever seen. He's really passive. Nothing "turns his wheel" so to speak. Usually he'd be on something like a dog in heat by now. That's my first read. On January 02 2015 04:48 geript wrote: In looking at some of Lazer's past games, he's probably an ok lynch. Marv is right on that he's pretty much a background player. On January 02 2015 04:54 geript wrote: This is out of place in where I am int he thread. But I'm pretty sure that this is kinda exactly why I've been called scum this game. At least in part. Pretty odd that Eden defines that as my scumplay. The other thing about Eden that's been bugging me is that specific weird heuristics get dropped from the scene for no reason. Usually when town goes ham, they go ham. But there's a specific level of crazy but not too crazy that makes me think that Eden is probably a pretty good lynch as well. On January 02 2015 05:32 geript wrote: I don't like this list at all Marv. Back to scumpile. 4 different scumreads within the timeframe of an hour. Doesn't really follow up on anything but Marv, of which he just nitpicks the list and talks about fear lynching. -Excuses - Has a 6 page filter, yet talks about how he's busy. + Show Spoiler + On January 02 2015 06:03 geript wrote: I don't want to get lynched but I'm busy. Plus, I don't think people are going to listen to what I have to say whatsoever unless I get lynched. Granted most people will likely forget it and some people will likely just dismiss it. But just promise me to look back at my list and think about it. I'll try to be back later to explain things in more detail. But I still haven't had a shower or anything to eat or drink yet today and I have a shitton of stuff to do and I really want to play league. That's pretty much it. I'm still going to look into the filters of Chyz and Vivax to see if they're better lynches and make up my mind. | ||
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But no one's even voted batsnacks yet, I'll look into him D2. On January 02 2015 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Artanis, do me a favor and scan thru his filter from his last game...should make it v apparent I take it you're referring to your enfant terrible? Will do. | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:03 geript wrote: Not having the drive to post and reread 80 times like I normally do isn't playing poorly. I'm sheeping a good wagon. I've been the focus of attention for most of 2 days now at least part of which is due to the fact that vets "caught" me early and the fact that the day has stagnated due to NYE. Like, I don't feel like putting in 48 hours of work in this type of situation. Especially when a cop is probably going to red check me tomorrow. That's a really bad situation for town. You gotta look at it from my side too. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet to let town move the fuck on. If you think sacrificing yourself is a better play than proving you're town through good play then I don't think anything I say will help. What I expected from you was some form of direction, but I find it extremely lacking in your posts. To me, the most damning point is having 4 suspects within one hour, and asking none any questions or pressing them for anything (other than calling Marv 100% scum) If you post good gifs I might still lynch someone else though. On January 02 2015 11:05 justanothertownie wrote: Thats not an excuse. What difference is there between one vote on Vivax and 0 on batsnacks? There are still 3 hours until deadline and I might push for a batsnacks lynch. Two votes on Vivax. If you make a good case I'll look into it but I'm already doing more reading than I was planning at 3am. | ||
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In Cultured, Chyz seems a lot more upbeat, though he's also defensive about some flaws he's made in the start. The tone is very different even though people also want to hang him. + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2014 05:08 TheChyz wrote: Ok after a night rest I got to thinking and imo I still think Wave is the most likely to be scum. The scum really didn't have to do much other than have a decent day 1/night 1. After that it was just easy sailing so I don't actually think scum really had much to do apart from push the lynches of the "list". As such wave is the one that keeps bringing up to lynch by the list the most imo and as such that is mostly why I think he is scum. That is who I would vote for, but since I'm going to work atm and won't be back till around deadline (my 15 is roughly near break) I'll keep my vote on no lynch (don't wanna get modkilled to help town since thats cheating). I'm just gonna leave saying this last word. Nothing on concrete has really been put on me. The only thing that people keep rehashing is just the non vote on suki day 1. That argument alone is so weak but it seems the only thing you guys are doing is thinking each of you is confirmed town so the only one with a small question mark is going to get lynched. "Follow the list", pretty good plan scum, keeps you alive all game long. What seems more likely, a noobie's second game (being town last game) having nothing scummy except for some overblown vote argument thats super wishy-wash (similar to my town game) or a veteran scum being able to hide under voting in a list? Anyways, gg guys. Was fun  (and HELLA stressful  )That said, there's a difference between getting lynched on D1 when you're being tunneled throughout the whole day and getting lynched and during LYLO after a long, but seemingly fair battle. I still think there's a discrepancy, and a few points that you've made resonated with me, but I'm not as sure about it as you are. | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:21 geript wrote: Artanis, there's really not any more direction that I could post than I've already posted. You guys have been all like "OMG his stuff is so shit." People say that shit all the time when I'm town. I also tend to find the right answer in ways that other people don't. I look at games entirely differently than most here. All of what's happening is that my posts are being buried in my filter by me trying to explain this shit to you guys. You don't see Marv around actually caring who gets lynched or why. Why is he so focused on a town? Why has his game been exceptionally different from his town play? Why doesn't he want to lynch Robik? Why is Robik so nothing like the usual townplay I've seen? Why is GB changing his mind in 5 minutes when nothing of note in the thread has changed? Why is Vivax someone that most people are "considering" but few people have any actual drive to consider the situation? I don't feel like being tunneled for 3 more days which if I don't get lynched is my expected lifespan in this game. I've told you who I think is off and why. You might not understand it. But I don't think I can explain it better. Marv isn't town!Marv. Vivax has a decent shot of flipping scum. GB, idk. I've always had a hard time reading him and I don't think he's a great player. Chyz is town. DrH is maybe town but if he is then he's a large detriment to the game. Palmer is town. Damdred is town. Koshi is almost assuredly town (not because he doesn't want to kill me). You're town. I think sicklucker is probably town his play looks more similar to his townplay to me and when I reread him again I think he's getting a bad rap because people aren't looking at the towny hints. Kelsier is a tough read. But as scum he tends to be active and do things even when the thread's not moving or changing direction. He's alot like me in that he likes to think ahead a bit I think. I don't really see that in his filter. So he's probably town. JAT is town. Just trust me on this <3. You didn't post a gif | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:34 ritoky wrote: why you no comment on his jat read that is basically my read? Out of everything he said that's what you want me to comment on? Really? A strong scumread shares a strong townread with a null slightly scum leaning player. How interesting. I will respond to him once he posts a gif that adequately entertains me. | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:47 ritoky wrote: yes because out of my giant list post reading every1 in the game, that is what you got hung up on in regards to me. why are you unevenly applying criticism? I criticized you on a multitude of points. JAT was simply one of them. I'm also pushing his wagon, not yours. We can tangle on D2. | ||
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On January 02 2015 12:02 Vivax wrote: Artanis where do I get all the cool gifs If I told you I'd have to kill you. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LPH1FwW.gif) | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:21 geript wrote: Artanis, there's really not any more direction that I could post than I've already posted. You guys have been all like "OMG his stuff is so shit." People say that shit all the time when I'm town. I also tend to find the right answer in ways that other people don't. I look at games entirely differently than most here. All of what's happening is that my posts are being buried in my filter by me trying to explain this shit to you guys. You don't see Marv around actually caring who gets lynched or why. Why is he so focused on a town? Why has his game been exceptionally different from his town play? Why doesn't he want to lynch Robik? Why is Robik so nothing like the usual townplay I've seen? Why is GB changing his mind in 5 minutes when nothing of note in the thread has changed? Why is Vivax someone that most people are "considering" but few people have any actual drive to consider the situation? I don't feel like being tunneled for 3 more days which if I don't get lynched is my expected lifespan in this game. I've told you who I think is off and why. You might not understand it. But I don't think I can explain it better. Marv isn't town!Marv. Vivax has a decent shot of flipping scum. GB, idk. I've always had a hard time reading him and I don't think he's a great player. Chyz is town. DrH is maybe town but if he is then he's a large detriment to the game. Palmer is town. Damdred is town. Koshi is almost assuredly town (not because he doesn't want to kill me). You're town. I think sicklucker is probably town his play looks more similar to his townplay to me and when I reread him again I think he's getting a bad rap because people aren't looking at the towny hints. Kelsier is a tough read. But as scum he tends to be active and do things even when the thread's not moving or changing direction. He's alot like me in that he likes to think ahead a bit I think. I don't really see that in his filter. So he's probably town. JAT is town. Just trust me on this <3. It's been a while since I've played with you, but my memory dictates that you press your suspects far more than you've done this game. Perhaps I should put that to the test. As for a lot of your questions, I think NYE is a good excuse and that Day 2 will provide more clarity on their alignments regarding Robik and Marv. As for being tunneled for 3 more days; that all depends on what happens in those 3 days. There's plenty of games where a main suspect on D1 becomes a universal townread later in the game. If you think people will just tunnel you anyway, why did you sign up? Surely you must have some faith in being able to get townread if you're in fact town. | ||
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I think Chyz is a better lynch than Geript because Geript will probably actually try in D2 whereas I don't think Chyz will add much of value. I think they've got about the same chance of flipping scum. Geript didn't even really try to get me to not vote him but was more concerned with how to act afterwards. Could be WIFOM but I got the WoS-approved feels from it. | ||
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Vivax went to bed. That leaves me, Geript, Eden and yourself to have posted in the last hour. Actually depending on how the votes are divided that might be enough | ||
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On January 02 2015 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We dont need to switch to bats in an hour when no one is here to talk about it. Whats wrong with geript now? He just feels genuine. It's making me uncomfortable. I'd have expected him to either give up or fiercely fight for survival if he were scum. But he's not really doing either of those things. On January 02 2015 12:49 Eden1892 wrote: Something about claiming you were "too emotionally invested for my own health" seems... out of bounds, you know? Hm, you're kind of right. I can see BlazingHand pulling that, but it's a bit more difficult to see a newbie who hasn't played a game in 6 months pull that off. However, I'd argue that even if you're scum you can feel too emotionally invested at some point. I know I've felt that way. | ||
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On January 02 2015 12:52 justanothertownie wrote: Artanis: FFL2 batsnacks mafia Carol of the Bells batsnacks town Ugh it's 5am I don't want to do this ;_; I'm just going to skim through it and hope the differences are clear enough. | ||
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On January 02 2015 12:58 batsnacks wrote: ANyone want to ask me anything or...? Are you mafia? | ||
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1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia." I like this. | ||
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On January 02 2015 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Weird. Sounds like batsnacks intentionally wants to hide his vote because it sounds like he doesnt even have a scumread on thechyz in the first place. I can get behind this if enough people wanna switch now I think I'm about ready to switch. I like Eden's points on Chyz and how it's unlikely he'd make a case on Lazer only to go full Seppuku and I'm getting feels with Geript. An alternate lynch is preferable. ##Unvote TheChyz ##Vote Batsnacks | ||
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On January 02 2015 13:45 justanothertownie wrote: Huh? I thought marv was 100 % mafia? Town or Mafia it doesn't make sense if he doesn't post about it in thread since without that there's no way Vivax gets a majority, in fact it's more detrimental to him not to vote for Bats since that'd help himself to stay alive. It's just.. what. | ||
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On January 02 2015 13:49 IAmRobik wrote: who are we sniping? Choice between shennanying on batsnacks because he said you played different from both your town and scumgame then presumed it was scum rather than think about things like NYE amongst other stuff or one of geript/chyz for well documented reasons. Currently Bats seems like the best lynch but then Geript made this really weird Vivax vote. | ||
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On January 02 2015 13:54 sicklucker wrote: Like the only logical explanation I can come up with of why gerit would waste his vote is hes town trying to commit suicide for real. So like ill leave my vote for now If this is what he's doing and he flips town I'm going to get really angry. | ||
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On January 02 2015 13:57 justanothertownie wrote: How are you all so confident now but didn't do jackshit to push batsnacks earlier? I'm not confident but I'm even less confident about a geript/chyz flip because Geript felt pretty damn genuine earlier and what Eden said about Chyz not making sense to ragequit whilst just having built a case when he's scum also makes sense. Also liked Eden's point about Bats thingy with Robik. | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:27 KelsierSC wrote: My case on Sicklucker 1) Sicklucker has a strong scum read on geript throughout most of day 1. Nothing original in the reads though. You can see in his filter most of it is just a geript is scum. He is scum for an early read on me etc. What is striking about SL's play is that he doesn't really want to find scum he just wants to clear people and get himself cleared. This strikes me as scummy play. 2) SL has his only real scum read as geript. Most of the day that is his push. Then this. I don't know all 4 of his strongest town. But giving up your only real read to just "screw it" and vote someone else. This just looks like a shitty reason to jump onto the bats wagon. 3) He town reads dam for like the dumbest reason I can think of. This is really early in the game, I think even dam would admit he has no reason to be read town this game but SL is happy to give up his "top scum" read and follow dam because he made some joke start of d1? Again easy town read for no real reason and using this to justify jumping onto bats. 4) People may disagree with me here but SL has continuously overstated his importance in this game and tried to make his contribution seem more than it is. This is a scum tactic to me, false confidence and arrogance. Yeh I don't really like your case. What bothers me the most about sicklucker is how everything just happened around him and he just commented on it without trying to give it any direction. He didn't try to convince us Geript was scum over Bats even though that was as you said his read. This could be explained by a lack of confidence though, not necessarily scummy. On January 03 2015 03:29 Damdred wrote: I'm going to work on SL next I think while I have time. I probably won't comb through all of his games but will just look at this one since theirs more evidence. And yea I know JAT bu Koshi and I had a couple of words about it earlier and I went on and did the leg work for looking at all the games/filters. But yea, JAT is never getting lynched. He was the only person during the bats lynch that was getting cold feet in any way, he even mentioned it several times I think it was how people were coming from everywhere to vote bats. Bats play this game was really different from his town games lately I made a post about why I think it resembled his scum game and it really does. And at the end he wasn't really plaing he was dodging questions and all. That JAT was getting cold feet only matters if the alternate lynch was scum. If Geript is town then Mafia couldn't care less who gets lynched between the two. He also didn't really get cold feet until the end. On January 03 2015 03:40 Superbia wrote: What's up boys. I'm looking forward to your massive contributions to justify not hanging on D2. | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: RoL We will never forget his glorious contributions to the cause. God bless. | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:29 ritoky wrote: if you actually have that much control over your tone, that's a bit scary. and what reasoning is thin? gotta be more specific, and show me what "thick" reasoning on day 1 would look like. my read on robik is primarily from my personal value of him when he is town. i think he is great as aggro town, if you don't agree, meh don't care. RoL's only post is a prototypical mafia lurker post, it's not like i have a wealth of information to read him from and i am specifically not doing null reads in my notes. as for JAT, show me why he isn't town. I don't get angry without reason. I don't see a reason to get angry because I suspect someone is scum. It's their goal to try and stay hidden. As for "thick" reasoning, an example would be the point I made on Koshi. It's a concrete point that makes sense. What posts on Robik did you find that indicate him to be town to you? You say he's great as aggro town, but I haven't seen any aggression from him yet. I just don't understand how you can read him as town based on what he posted at the time of your post. | ||
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I did ask him to post a gif. The choice is quite questionable, though Geript was feeling a bit suicidal at the time. On January 03 2015 03:57 justanothertownie wrote: Exactly. It was crunchtime. Geript made an extremely weird vote. I didn't know what to make of it. I dunno if this is weird or not because I'm generally good with weird situations but I pretty quickly decided it was non-alignment indicative as it's just a vote that doesn't help his survival, so neither faction profits from it. I'd like to hear what other people that were there at the time thought of it. | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:14 Damdred wrote: I've never played with Dr. H before so I really can't comment on what he would do, however i've seen good scum players get 30 pages+of filters in game. And dr h spent the whole day tunneling one person and almost all of his posts are about that one person and geript then he switched and pushed dirt on people and took none of the blame himself and claims he panic'd. It just leaves me suspicious of him. He has posted suspicions on Batsnacks as well. I don't think I've ever seen someone be as wordy as Dr.H on D1 and be scum. DarthPunk has managed a 20 page filter on D1, but they were filled with oneliners. Dr.H's filter would be the longest in actual text for any scum I've ever seen here ever. That coupled with the fact that he seems to believe what he's saying and there being a certain line of direction in his thoughts make me feel that spending any time even thinking about him being scum at the moment is a waste of time. On January 03 2015 04:14 Vivax wrote: Dude don't interrupt the scumhunters with posting volume arguments. That's really out of place. Post a gif and shush Don't make me get Promethelax to throw your toys in the pram again Vivax. It's happened before and I can channel it to make it happen again. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zIKueYX.gif) | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote: Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration) Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote: That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ. I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second. | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:39 IAmRobik wrote: Man, my list is really different from yours haha I agree with DrH and Eden. I disagree on basically everyone else. Maybe koshi is but his "why can't you just just listen to me" felt forced and un-koshi-like. JAT seemed to spend too much time playing nice with me which bothered me and his explanation wasn't really satisfying. He also quickly turned on me come night phase. Plammmmar tried really hard in one post and didn't do dick for the rest of the day. Kelseir is a huge fucking question mark for me. His posts are really weird. Not sure if scum or I just don't understand what he wants to say I missed the Koshi post you're referring to. Can you quote it? JAT is probably town, read above. Plumber's one post secured a town hero spot for me. He hasn't really been here much otherwise so that's the only thing to judge him on. It was full of good stuff though, his read on Geript had solid reasoning and every opinion he had pretty much resonated with me, especially the one on me. What I like about Kelsier that I remember is how he questioned me and someone else, I think it was sicklucker but I'm not sure for jumping on Chyz' bandwagon. Then when he asked us both a question he found my answer to be townie and re-evaluated, whereas I think he kept his other suspect. It showed a certain thoroughness I expect from town much more than from scum. He's generally been pretty inquisitive and seems to follow up on it which I like. Is there anyone you townread that wasn't on my list? | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:43 IAmRobik wrote: So I partially agree and partially disagree with this. I do not think that GERIPT and JAT are scum together. I even stated so towards end of day. That's why I didn't feel so bad sheepish jat onto bats. However I do think that JAT can make a case on bats and switch a lynxh off of geript onto bat for town cred. Basically to get you to clear him for what you're clearing him. "If I was mafia, why would I switch from one town to another town that I've been pushing all game". That's basically what I did on a 2p2 game with Yamato a couple months ago. He could be town. I'm just saying why this isn't 100% correct Sure, it's possible, but the JAT I'm accustomed to is reactive. This was very proactive where it really wasn't necessary. He's been pretty much a universal townread for the town. Buying even more cred could actually be harmful to him later in the game as people will question why he's still alive. On January 03 2015 04:44 Damdred wrote: I won't argue with you that JAT is probably town here. and it is a good post. So tell me what you think about what i wrote. You mentioned how without the Chyz stuff his filter would look a lot less wordy, but that seems like a poor argument. He did make those posts and the amount of effort he's put into the game whilst never appearing disgenuine to me makes it so unlikely for him to be scum imo. That he went back on his word for not going for last minute shenanigans is worrisome, but in a completely different league compared to the arguments supporting a town Dr.H. | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:49 IAmRobik wrote: @artanis, nope not really. Maybe Dandred. I had to look back at the player list. Everyone has been fairly scummy. Obv I think you're town too Game is hard, only 4 town vs 10 mafia. I can get behind Damdred I guess, with some reservations. His suspects are kinda weird but he does seem to be prodding quite nicely and is pretty paranoid. I just hope you, Marv and Luigi come out to play on D2. | ||
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On January 03 2015 04:46 IAmRobik wrote: It's not a single post-it's the entire outburst regarding not lunching vivax, whose alignment he can't know 100% I can see Koshi getting a bit overexcited over lunching Vivax. He was pretty passionate about it and I don't consider it scummy at all. | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:03 IAmRobik wrote: I think that even though my filter size was lacking, I still managed to give decent substantiated reads d1. Basically what you are saying about DrHamd what others are saying about him is something I articulated early on into the game. I don't recall all the reads I gave but I think they've been decently solid. I also think (wifom) that I wouldn't be as self-aware as I am regarding my play. I stated that I was more nervous of people TRing me than scum reading me because I think the people who are scum reading me are probably analyzing and thinking about the game more clearly than those who are TRing me. I am town, but the people giving me town reads are more likely doing it based off of TMI If you feel you've given substantiated reads, why do you think people townreading you are more likely to be scum than people scum reading you? | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:16 IAmRobik wrote: They were town reading me before that for not playing. Ah okay, that's fair. On January 03 2015 05:16 Koshi wrote: Vivax Lynch Robik and geript after that. Why do you want to lynch Robik? | ||
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I find it weird how Palmar/Robik/Vivax all jumped on JAT at pretty much the same time. I have a retarded theory about that that I can only share post-night. Agreed with Marv that especially Vivax' case was reaching. Palmar's feels genuine. I remember him making a post about making no shenannies at night. Unfortunately, I'm a bad boy. On January 03 2015 06:11 IAmRobik wrote: I think I'd lynxh te shit out of kelsersc. I'd also look into sickly jet for clearing me for my vote. My vote looks really bad if geript is scum On January 03 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: I forget. It was something I read recently. Did you recover your memory yet? I saw you say something about a TMI accusation on Eden but it hasn't really been fleshed out as far as I can see. What the fuck is Vivax doing this game On January 03 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote: Like this game is actually madness. My only decent town reads left are like marv and robik and now they want to kill each other. Explain your townread on marv please. What did he do to put himself on top of all those other names? On January 03 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote: That was me. Hidden behind double quotes for readability: Anyway, I don't think geript answered this (not hiding for readability): So can anyone else explain how this makes sense from... any POV? His explanation is obviously BS to me and I feel like he has to be mafia because I can't see why a townie would do that. I was reading the thread some at work and I think I'm on top of things, but it's possible I missed something. Did Superbia ever say anything that mattered? I saw ritoky did. I think I want to kill Superbia and/or geript today. I also think sicklucker's recent posts are rather suspicious but I don't want to kill him because he's adorable. Everything he posts makes me want to hug him and say "Bless your heart boy" and reach for a swig of sweet tea while sitting in my rocking chair on my front porch. I admit this is atrocious reasoning and will probably be talked out of it if sicklucker is the kill tomorrow but can we keep him? please??? Is there a reason for scum Geript not wanting to lynch Bats though? It's just weird, not alignment indicative. On January 03 2015 07:48 GlowingBear wrote: Registering: I don't like Artanis because at page 24 he gives a town lean to DrH because "people with a critical mass of words tend to be town" is completely shit. Also, I'm amazed that TheChyz opening caused so much controversy when there's nothing wrong with his opening, while DrH has the worst opening I have seen since I started playing. It's just plain ridiculous. Check previous games. Townreading people for being wordy and having long filters is perfectly fine. Ask Marv or other vets. This is a terrible reason to scumread me. There's only a few players for whom this is false like DarthPunk. On January 03 2015 08:53 Eden1892 wrote: Someone else brought him up as a possible kill when there was roughly an hour or so left. I want to say Artanis without looking, but I don't know. I don't remember remembering anything batsnacks had done to that point, and I remember saying I would read batsnacks instead of someone else (I think Lazermonkey and Vivax?). I read his filter, examined the context of the posts I thought were important and made the case in a larger post. I certainly wouldn't call it "right at the deadline," I think I made it with about 50 minutes left in the day, with at least a half-dozen people online to see it. Close, but not so close that people didn't have time to evaluate it for themselves. I have to admit I don't really understand where your question is going. JAT brought Batsnacks up initially. I reminded him of it and told him I might be willing to when I felt both Geript and TheChyz were becoming unwanted lynches. Going forward I'm part of team Koshi and would like to see Vivax hang. Going after JAT and Eden, two of my strongest townreads whilst grasping at straws feels really off. I also didn't like how he conveniently had to go to bed after I tried to talk to him about Geript, and Koshi's stuff with Vivax lying about not having caught up. The biggest problem I have though is that nothing of what he's doing seems to make sense. The random list post, the catching up without catching up and spending the time he does have before the lynch pretty wastefully, and then the attack on JAT/Eden rather than spend time on the people other people actually consider scum, especially when you haven't been caught up yet is pretty iffy. | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:29 IAmRobik wrote: Cause it's an interesting question which I thought about posing earlier and it shows that he's thinking about the game and that he might be the cop -.- I thought of it too but I think the cop is pretty useless until millers and the framer start dying. It feels more like pointless filler at this point. | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:41 Lazermonkey wrote: Yhea, but the argument is not that he was voting with his townreads but how he did it. He went from being SUUUPER confident in his geript read to voting batsnacks solely based on the fact that 4 of his town reads did that. DH on the other hand, was clearly suspicious of batsnacks long before he actually voted him. He clearly states what he disliked about batsnacks at all times as well. I really don't think this comparison is very good. I've done something similar once. I tunneled Vivax for a while, Vivax tunneled me and eventually I started reading Vivax strongly as town. Then Promethelax came along and made an emotional appeal on me. I hammered Vivax. People can be influenced even from their strongest reads. Though Dr.H was suspicious of Bats, he clearly favoured a Chyz or Geript lynch as well. | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:42 sicklucker wrote: I town read marv because he was the first person to understand me voting my 4 town reads is not that scummy. My first game I subbed in day 2 and was in final 3 with subia and some donkey who voted me all game. While not a total lurker sub tacticly checked out of the game at convient times. No idea what hes doing here hes probably medic actually. This is way too much lurk even for him. Why do you think that Marv opposing that point on you makes him town? | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Yes but there is a clear difference between going from voting your top scum read to voting your second or third scum read to voting your top scum read to voting someone you didn't even have a read on at all. Of course, but I still find it understandable. In my example I even had a townread on Vivax. I was town. | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:00 justanothertownie wrote: I can't believe a town Vivax would not reconsider his read on me after how many people told him what a piece of crap it is. Like Koshi is confirmed town now for example. I think at this point Vivax is just talking to keep discussion on him for the entire day. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:20 KelsierSC wrote: Ty slam can you post the vote on bats ty Not slam but I can! On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): TheChyz (2): DoctorHelvetica (0): geript (6): marvellosity (0): Lazermonkey (0): IAmRobik (0): sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched. until deadline. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:22 KelsierSC wrote: Do you? I think there are better lynches. I might. I didn't like how he had a scumread on you for some reason then never got back to telling us why as well as the thing Vivax pointed out. He's also been pretty useless for the most part, drawing attention to stuff like sicklucker's question about who the cop should check. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:30 KelsierSC wrote: Artanis will you be in the thread about 3 hours from now? I need to have a chat with you. Here is what is breaking my brain here. before the night kills. We have people who scum read geript. We have a few people who late vote on bats, I think I made good cases on dam and SL I have been pressing these people. But after the night kills we get this "ooh Viv is confirmed scum" i am like the only person along with hat who actually tries to question him or even consider the night kills. A lot of people come in and vote afk. They dont even question just attempt buries . No one is even considering other people and all these geript scum reads are now forgotten because "i dunno he felt sorta town actually" I think my brain is exploding. Again people consider my cses on SL and dam, explain why geript is town now because i don't get this at all. I can't promise 3 hours specifically but I'll be around. As for why Geript is town (though I still have doubts), I posted it before. His end of D1 play made no sense from a scum perspective and I could make sense out of it from a town perspective in leaving a legacy. He didn't try to survive at all costs, nor did he quit entirely. It just seems like a high risk low reward play for mafia to make, whereas the town reasoning is simple: Provide a guideline for town to go on after his death. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:32 KelsierSC wrote: Also people are completely glossing over how perfectly the night kills incriminate Viv Koshi and Eden were townread by the stark majority of town. I don't see a need for additional reasoning for mafia to shoot them. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:36 KelsierSC wrote: If he is scum where should his vote have gone? If you say bats I already explained why that doesn't work. There are plenty of good cases on geript. My case, palmers case are good. Also people had scum reads on geript n1 but after the night kills suddenly no one gives a shit. Your filter is too long for me to find it. What were your reasons for Geript not being able to vote Bats? Also my case was the best. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:44 justanothertownie wrote: How is this so hard to understand? If geript votes batsnacks NOONE will scumread him for that alone because every townie would do exactly that. Stop being dense. This. Voting for self-preservation is as alignment unindicative as it gets. Unless there's a jester in play. Geript are you a jester? | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:45 KelsierSC wrote: The only reason people have this townread on geript is because of his weird vote, which is a shit reason anyway. If you think he votes on bats and doesn't get lynched today I just.. I just told you why I have a townread on Geript. It had nothing to do with his vote and everything to do with his posts about 4 hours leading up to the lynch. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:48 KelsierSC wrote: Artanis you just said you townreas geript because you didn't understand.scum motivation for his vote I never said that. I said I didn't understand the town nor scum motivation for his vote so I considered that action null. I townread Geript because His end of D1 play made no sense from a scum perspective and I could make sense out of it from a town perspective in leaving a legacy. He didn't try to survive at all costs, nor did he quit entirely. It just seems like a high risk low reward play for mafia to make, whereas the town reasoning is simple: Provide a guideline for town to go on after his death. | ||
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On January 04 2015 04:34 IAmRobik wrote: this is describing my town play to a T btw. strong clearing people i think are town and leading conversation away from them because its useless and i will not let them get lynched...also, while you may think im dumb and ballsy, i dont spend my last 4 posts talking about how im going to kill eden for making good posts and then kill him. This is wifom, don't do that. | ||
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On January 04 2015 03:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually, he did say he was going to post the case about why Kelsier is scum today. I look forward to it. Robik? On January 04 2015 04:50 IAmRobik wrote: its a bit wifomy, but it is true, so why cant i use that to towns advantage. also, do you or do you not agree with me that town is more likely to be posting come phase shift than scum, given that it was late arriving and scum are probably waitingfor flips to see if they hit roles and so they wouldnt tallk/slip about their night kill It's more than a bit wifomy. If you use it as a defense as to why you'd be town then that means it has no value as you could've planned it as scum very easily. I guess a little bit but I wouldn't put too much stock on it. | ||
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On January 04 2015 05:45 justanothertownie wrote: Take a look into his filter and you will find it. Artanis, you around? Hai. | ||
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Why are you bringing that up now? It's been 2 days and he explained it by saying he forced himself to choose between a town/scum read. I think it's a shit explanation but I don't think that makes him very mafia. | ||
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On January 04 2015 06:00 Lazermonkey wrote: Artanis/Superbia/Robik/anyone else that is here: comments on Damdred? I still need to read his filter since your case is pretty much "he hasn't been doing this, check his filter". Will you vote Superbia with me? Superbia4lynch '15. | ||
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On January 04 2015 06:03 justanothertownie wrote: Could you explain this now? Oh right. I figured that there might be scum in there trying to incriminate you long enough for a medic to decide not to heal you that night so they could shoot you. Guess I was wrong since 2 people died and none of them were you. | ||
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On January 04 2015 06:11 justanothertownie wrote: Superbia is doing something he did when he was mafia the last time. Interesting. Can you elaborate on that? | ||
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-Not chasing scum -Focussing attention on defending himself and answering questions rather than developing reads -Asking the wrong people questions -Doesn't take a stance on Vivax Tell me if I missed anything. | ||
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On January 04 2015 02:21 Damdred wrote: Ok back from taking the wife. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e4AUnin.jpg) I'm not willing to call him scum just yet. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:06 marvellosity wrote: i'm coming round on you Robik. Why? | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:21 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, maybe I'm blind but I'm not seeing this. He is saying Vivax got a point, attacking VE for being "to hard" on Vivax and stuff like that but never actually saying that he thinks Vivax is town. If he thinks Vivax is town he is being very unclear about that. He hasn't said Vivax is town, but he clearly doesn't want to lynch him right now. In that sense, his stance is clear. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:37 sicklucker wrote: Oh super started talking. So like super and ritoky both wasted their votes. In a two town race thats what mafia usually does. Also people who waste their votes are more likely mafia. Also there probably gonna bus each other now. What? If both Bats and Geript are town there's no reason for scum not to be on one of the wagons. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote: Artanis marv robik your all town stfu. Help me find zee scummy vets If you're looking for scummy vets why are you talking about superbia and ritoky? Also if you think we're all town then that doesn't leave many options. Depending on your definition of vet that'd include Palmar, Dr.H and JAT and I think the latter two are clearly town. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote: I disagree with this, even if hes poking at a universal town read thats stiill doing something, while the fighting isn't useful for town he is doing something even though he knows hes more than likely being lynched. I fully expect him to give a full list of reads at some point though. Sure, I think he misrepresents things on purpose to make people look worse, my earlier case I think still stands and he is overtly defensive whenever he gets attacked. Instead of giving reads on people and trying to poke and question them to figure them out he tunnels people when they start receiving attention. If you look at his filter it looks like the reason his main focus shifted to me was because Kel started in on me and called me scum and thats when the barrage really came full force. I really do not think hes scum hunting in this regard either, for example he posed a list of things i'm not doing and instead of showing how i'm not logically doing this he said go check my filter, and doing this he has painted me in a scummy light trying to influence people to read my filter in that way instead of showing it himself. Feels like he is trying to bias people in that sense. My earlier case still is their on him as well. I'm gonna have to read back on his opportunism then. I don't feel like he really tried to frame you because he's been asking other people on opinions and encouraging us to check for ourselves. Speaking of Kelsier though, where is he? He wanted me to be here and then he doesn't show up. I feel like I've been stood up to a date. | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote: His eod vote. If gerits town robiks 100% town no reason to make that switch in a two town race bad players see that as scummy . Even if gerits not town its not that likely robik would throw in that preemptive vote to keep his partner from getting hammered because no one wanted to change at the time but it is possible just alot less likely. Robik can be confirmed with a gerit flip so we never kill robik before him anyway. Marv was the first to defend me so I give him mad town points hes been pretty useful regardless of his filter size. The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit. Hmmm. It could be for exactly this argument, but you're right. If Geript is green that does help clear Robik a bit, but I wouldn't say he's confirmed town for it. I missed JAT in your town list though and he went above and beyond the call of duty by organizing a switch onto Bats. Do you also consider him cleared if Geript flips green? | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:06 sicklucker wrote: Well I dont think it clears jat actually. He could just be setting up the next mislynch so no. He honestly didnt give it much effort it was eden and others that lead bats to getting kill. He kind of just had a thowaway vote on bats seeing what sticks which makes him pretty scummy if gerit is. And the fact he doesint want to see a gerit flip What? JAT set up the lynch on Bats. JAT made it happen. JAT and no one else. He earned that townie lynch with blood, sweat and tears and he deserves the credit. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:08 ritoky wrote: + Show Spoiler [words] + There's a lot of things really wrong with this defense of SL. 1) It is a post-flip justification not a pre-flip justification; there's a large difference there. He waited around until after people brought up points against him to lay out why he decided to vote swap. If he had been forthright then maybe this is a point, he wasn't so it is not. 2) Sheeping the people you read as town is something people do as either alignment particularly when all of them move. The 2nd part of this seems to imply that geript is mafia. If SL is mafia and both geript is town and bats was town, then it looks equally bad regardless of which you finally land on. However this looks really bad because of points I brought up earlier that I will reiterate in a moment. 3) Talk is cheap, post flip-excuses are easy to find. Votes and vote logic or lack thereof are definitive things, SL drastically lacked. This is a person who is SO adamant about his own reads. He spent an entire phase developing a scum read on geript and from everything I have read up until here that read has not evaporated in the slightest. Only to defer to SOMEONE ELSE'S read that is based on meta. Like I cannot get over this. Why would he as town, with the way I remember him playing town, switch from a non-meta read that he devoted effort into developing to someone else's meta read? It makes absolutely no sense, and he is mafia for it. Damn, you're right. Eden's defense makes no sense. Let's lynch hi- oh wait. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote: Didn't you say Koshi was the most obvious medic save earlier? How is he a medic dodge now? This is actually a good point. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: Ready for me to call you an idiot again? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/50OstzL.gif) | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote: then tell me why SL is town. i have asked multiple times and no1 is giving a reason. I feel his reasoning has been dumb at some points and insightful at others. He seems to be trying to solve the game by poking and prodding places. I don't have a strong townread on him though. He sits at null for me which means there's plenty of better candidates. | ||
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Superbia Vivax Geript Robik Maybe GlowingBear too. He's been mentioned a few times as well but no one's actually bothered to check into him as far as I can see. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:39 geript wrote: Going to play some league and take a dump. Then I'll read filters specifically. You going to be around in an hour or two Artanis? I think so. | ||
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He made a dumb point about my townread on Dr.H being because of it being wordy when Marv used it as a metric as well in this very thread, yet he never pointed that out. All his reasoning this game has been incredibly shallow. Yes. I want to lynch GlowingBear as well. I would like to lynch all the things. | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: I've never seen GB this inactive idk if its because of travel or what. Even as mafia gb is active or more so then this, so idk Can you go through his filter and actually look at what he's said though? I don't recall him being this superficial as town. | ||
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On January 04 2015 09:21 geript wrote: Fwiw Artanis, GB has a bunch of random inconsistencies. But for the most part they're actually pretty towny. He's not really a player who would show his balls as mafia and be carefree about what he's posted. He doesn't really even defend against or deflect from his inconsistencies. Rather it looks more so like he's town from the attitude of how he comments toward JAT in their spats. It actually make me question if JAT isn't just being the high posting scum. It's not like he hasn't done it before. But his analysis is so shallow. Is that not something that you get whilst reading his filter? It's just.. ugh. Presuming you're green I think it's really unlikely JAT is scum. No reason for him to create a last minute voteswitch onto Bats, WIFOM is a terrible reason as he wasn't exactly in need of towncred. | ||
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Further it is almost like you're distinctively attempting to avoid reading what people call "tier 1 players". You don't give definitive stances in terms of scum reads on almost any major thing happening in the game. So either you think all of these people are town fighting in which case you're not doing much to stop it or you are positioning yourself to have no real definitive stance so you can fall on whatever side is best for you. Gonna have to check if this is true but I like this observation just for how its developed. | ||
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On January 04 2015 09:49 geript wrote: Fuck no. Don't use this. Even trying to do this is flat out cheating and I will fucking lynch you and push for you to get a huge fucking ban for this type of shit. This type of shit is totally unacceptable. Not only am I guessing that your system won't actually be correct, but this is the reason why hosts and cohosts shoudl always be very careful about how they post in and out of thread. The game should be about what happens int he game and not about OGI. On January 04 2015 09:56 geript wrote: It is cheating. If it's true, then it's bad of Slam to do. If it's intentional (which I doubt), then it's exceptionally bad form as a host and he should never host again. This is not a theme game; this is a normal (albeit a slightly odd one because of the open setup). You should never ever use OGI (partly because it's wrong sometimes or in the least misinterpreted) but also because it breaks the spirit of the game. It's why there isn't out of thread communication. It's really, really wrong. Seriously stop this shit. [2] | ||
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On January 04 2015 10:00 sicklucker wrote: Im working angles son. and if im right or wrong thinking ofdoing it gerit just claimed mafia like theirs no way around that Geript claimed being a decent human being. I believe his claim. On January 04 2015 10:01 geript wrote: Have you read Russian? That was in part a reason why I was townread in it. I helped switch off of Damdred and helped look for an alternate lynch (as mafia). Prima facie it's a townie move; but it's also very good play as mafia to do it as well. It helps keep town focused on town in stupid ways. JAT in my experience is a much better mafia player than town player; I wouldn't put him past it whatsoever. As for GB's analysis, I haven't ever really seen him have great amazing deep reads on people. I actually don't think his townread on me was awful; if anything, the better argument against him is TMI especially if Vivax is mafia. His response towards the mislynch (Hey I was on Vivax) in addition to they miracle read on me would be better points. But were you universally townread at that point? No one voiced suspicion on JAT at that point, only I was a bit paranoid. Maybe you're right on GB. I like your point. It's pretty pointy. I don't think I want to lynch you anymore. | ||
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On January 05 2015 04:50 justanothertownie wrote: What makes me hesitant is that I just don't really see geript giving up like that as scum while as town he might believe in some retarded logic where him dieing somehow makes sense. In general I think his play as town is way more likely to suck like this than as scum. On the other I don't get how someone who is being shadowed would play this way anyways. The same applies to GB. I think his complacency is more likely to come from scum than town. You mention that you think it's more likely for him to suck as town than scum, but I feel like his play in the first half of D1 has been geared towards survival, then when he felt that wasn't working he tried a different approach on the second half. On January 05 2015 05:04 geript wrote: Two reasons. PoE. I almost have too many town reads which concerns me more than anything else. Second, early-ish D2 I decided to throw out my D1 reads and reevaluate people based on play and shit. Asking me why I have Chyz as scum is just as dumb as asking why I have Kelsier as town. Can you explain some of those townreads on people that aren't universally read as town because I'm not equipped with as much luxury. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: What I am also wondering is why geript tried to make Dr. H tilt yesterday. Is he just genuinely acting like an arrogant prick as town or is he trying to make a townie ragequit on purpose? He was being hilarious. Geript's the second funniest player in the game and it makes me sad that he'll be leaving us shortly. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:10 justanothertownie wrote: He isn't even capable of being hilarious. At least not voluntarily. This read is so wrong I'm considering lynching you for it. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:21 Lazermonkey wrote: I agree with you on geript but lets face it, the time you've spent on pushing geript is very negligibel if we compare it to marv/jat/DH. Marv is unlynchable? | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:25 justanothertownie wrote: Certainly not. The more time he just avoids doing anything the more I think he is scum. If he doesn't come back today I might want to shenanny onto him. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote: I do think its highly unlikely that we will be lynching him today, and it was even more unlikely when vivax was pushing marv the hardest. It didn't gain any traction yet Vivax spent super much time attacking marv. I think he's a viable lynch target and I don't mind Vivax going on about him. Putting him on the table is fair. Geript, you didn't put Marv in your weakest Townreads list so that suggests you have a pretty decent townread on him now. What makes him town to you? | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:30 justanothertownie wrote: I don't remember it this way. In my memory it was marv that attacked vivax. Yeah I just checked and you're right. It started with Marv unbolding GB and bolding Vivax as being so bad it hurts, then went from there. | ||
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On January 02 2015 17:39 VisceraEyes wrote: marv has done a couple of stylistic things that make me lean town in spite of the lean filter - for one he said the magic words "it should be pretty obvious I'm town by now" which is almost a dead giveaway, but he also did this thing I noticed at the time that is both (imo) adorable AND (imo) alignment-indicative that he's town: This what you mean VE? He does seem to be enjoying the game. But if he is, it makes me wonder why he isn't posting more. A 9-page filter marv is a shamefur dispray. Speak of the devil. Hi Marv. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I would sooner poetically lynch Robik, but there's no poetry in lynching him if he's mafia. You make me realize how many people I'd actually like to hang today. It's kind of depressing. We need more nooses. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:48 justanothertownie wrote: I would actually prefer a few dayvigs. Nukes would be more spectacular. I miss making nuke posts. | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vivax was jobbed. I would like to lynch geript today and justanothertownie tomorrow. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tnpIZxr.gif) | ||
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On January 05 2015 08:44 sicklucker wrote: Anyone else notice how super just scum reads people who scum him but never really contributed. Shannanies? On January 05 2015 08:49 Damdred wrote: Can we please lynch super, I have a real feeling this is scrum. Please trust my gut this isn't town Super, totally different tone and posting. So does anyone want to put their vote where their mouth is? ##Unvote ##Vote Superbia | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:03 Superbia wrote: You just summed up all the small misrepresentations of what I've done so far into one blatant misrepresentation. What's your goal here? Have you even read my filter? Which part of my post was a misrepresentation? You have been abrasive for no reason. You have not contributed much to discussion, your meta read on Geript was wrong and you bitched about an uncounterclaimed cop. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:05 Superbia wrote: The burying is so sickeningly obvious it's disturbing. Are you all mafia or what? Why should you not be lynched today? | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:10 Superbia wrote: How was my meta-read on geript wrong? Why don't you start there? I have been abrasive for no reason? I've had plenty of reasons. Not all of them contributing to the game. I bitched about un-cced cop? I said I was salty because SL blatantly avoided my questions (which were insanely good) by claiming cop. Yeah, he's probably dying tomorrow to a CC, but it's still pretty fucking annoying when you've just put energy into the game and the pretty much confirmed mafia you've just caught sneaks his way into the next day. I'll let geript get into the meta read thing because he pointed it out iirc. You've been abrasive in this game despite not contributing anything. Everyone you bitched about had contributed more to the thread than you such as On January 04 2015 06:15 Superbia wrote: Why the fuck am I on top your scum-list, Robik? There's really no reason to be frustrated about stuff like that when you've been afk for the first three days. Do you really think SL would hard claim cop as scum and trade himself for the real cop when he wasn't even in danger? That's almost too dumb to be scum tbh. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:19 sicklucker wrote: Ya kill super and if he flips I have like two confirmed mafia and we win the game. Which two if he flips which alignment? | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:21 Superbia wrote: Didn't you think Geript was scum? Why the hell would you even trust geript on this without any second thought? Like you answer to why my meta-case on geript is wrong is "because geript said so" WHILE YOU WERE READING HIM AS SCUM. What are you doing? Who the fuck cares about who contributed more or less to the game?? What relevance does it have? I can't give reads on people who have contributed more? What? I was not frustrated with Robik at all, I just wanted to see his reasoning and his reaction. SL read lazer as town, which he had no business doing. He scum-read him without wanting to lynch him and essentially never changed his opinion on him, and then all of a sudden called him town today. Like the fact that I'm the only one picking up on this shit is disgusting. And apparently I'm not contributing anything. Marvelous. I think he's scum but I also want to hear what he has to say about it. If it conflicts with your explanation I can take a look and lynch whoever's lying. Of course you can give reads, the point is that you're acting frustrated towards them for no reason. They didn't cause you to not post. That was your own doing. You were also clearly frustrated with Robik. Also, regarding "picking up on shit".. On January 04 2015 09:41 Superbia wrote: Also, SL, why is lazer town? This was all you asked. If that's your prime contribution... congrats on making the cop out himself I guess. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:31 sicklucker wrote: Lazermonkey was not my real check. Im 90% sure he ment to post this in scum qt their scum together and its why their so confused about my scum claim. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/trKQY0g.gif) | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:35 Vivax wrote: Dunno still have to evaluate, will do. I'm no big fan of shennanies though and would prefer to head steadily for geript as having him slip through a lynch on two consecutive days would be pretty bad play for town if I'm indeed right on him. Also getting the feeling that Damdred is trying to steer clear of his lynch since the start of the day and when I look at Palmar's view of the game it makes me paranoid about him. You're right. Geript escaping through two lynches by shenannies is kind of problematic as it'll probably dominate D3 talk as well. Bleh. Let me know what you think of Superbia though. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:40 geript wrote: I think someone said this on D1. I can't remember who it was. Artanis can do you remember? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1bUOEz8.gif) | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote: Well shit that didnt have the reaction I hoped. Regardless of that scum slip its still a decent reason to think supers scum. I don't think it's a scum slip though. Teamliquid and quicktopic look miles different. He'd have to be pretty damn dumb for that error to happen. As much as I'd like to see Super hang this isn't a good reason for it. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:42 geript wrote: Oh was the genius who said it, was that me? How sweet of you to remind me. You can sheep my god tier reads after I'm dead. Presuming you're town we wouldn't have to wait for you to die if you were as good in projecting your towniness as moi. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Explain why Superbia is a better lynch than Geript. On January 05 2015 08:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He's been pointlessly abrasive and his posts have been pretty poor, he misrepresented Geript and his focus on the cop thing was really bad. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:58 Superbia wrote: Why am I scum again? Try not to repeat the points which I've already demolished. You didn't demolish anything. I don't know why Geript isn't replying to the question I raised about his meta though. This bothers me. | ||
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On January 05 2015 10:08 geript wrote: I'm actually quite town if people actually read me. It's the first impressions that are giving people a real hangup. I'd even put money that I've read more filters and reread teh thread mroe than anyone else on D2. I disagree and think that's too easy. If you get lynched, you have yourself to blame, always. Did you get anything out of those rereads that you haven't shared yet that could be useful? | ||
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On January 05 2015 10:13 geript wrote: Have you seriously not fucking read my filter artanis? Seriously? I did read your massive post with all the reads. I'm asking about anything additional. | ||
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Yes. I don't think Chyz, Dr.H, Vivax and Ritoky are good lynches. I would also not townread half of your list. I'd put GB/Robik/Marv/One of VE and Kelsier there instead. | ||
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On January 05 2015 10:23 geript wrote: Have you read the Koshi cases? Like if you think he's town after that then I will have no respect for you as a player ever again. Whatever. Just remember that when you lynch me, it's your bad read. Yes, I have. I found them convincing at the time, but on D2 a lot of stuff has happened. Vivax has greatly shaped up and I feel he's null at worst now. Also, that emotional appeal is disgusting. On January 05 2015 10:23 geript wrote: It also means we can lynch sicklucker. Because only a retard town would not immediately out his greencheck. I understand that your desire to lynch bad townies is within your win condition Geript but try to make it less obvious. | ||
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On January 05 2015 14:16 Alakaslam wrote: Night 2 Geript, as Forrester Road, was lynched. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DsbYU7h.gif) | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:16 sicklucker wrote: Like why are you interrogating me I dont want mafia to think im the cop oO. Most people dont Probably because if you're not serious about your cop claim you just made a play that could've very well outed our real cop meaning I really want to lynch you if you're unclaiming after hardclaiming. | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:37 justanothertownie wrote: I can and will blame him. It is not forbidden to use your brain from time to time. I firmly disagree with that statement. | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:54 justanothertownie wrote: Marv confirmed scum for being mad at the WIFOM. Flawless logic, voting marv the minute D3 starts. | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:02 sicklucker wrote: So like I really hope people are mad at me so we vote between me and ritoky and when I win that shit we finally find mafia What if slam is a bastard host and there are no mafia and he's just killing random people at night? | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:04 justanothertownie wrote: Nah, that would mean ritoky is town and I refuse to believe this. What makes Ritoky scum and not just incredibly bad though? That's been my impression of him. | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:07 justanothertownie wrote: Oh, he is incredibly bad. Generally he tries while being incredibly bad though if I am not mistaken. There has been a lack of trying, this is correct. I guess I should look into it but I'm worried I'll get an infection from looking at his filter again. | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:16 justanothertownie wrote: Clue 6 and 7 are pretty bad in my opinion. Also I did not lynch geript and unlike you I tried to make other people not lynch him too. I wish I were around during deadline | ||
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Well I already wanted to lynch you so not much changed in that regard I guess. | ||
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On January 06 2015 03:42 sicklucker wrote: We put marv and palmer in a cage and they fought about stuff we dont care about and we chose marv. Marvs reads are really good. Like hes trying to hard as mafia I think is a great read after last game. Like a gladiator match? Neat. G2g | ||
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On January 06 2015 07:06 IAmRobik wrote: THE VOTE THAT I SAW WAS 5-5 GERIPT AND VIVAX YOU JACKASS | ||
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On January 06 2015 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: It's fine. When I die tonight remember how pretty Robik looked on that silver platter before you threw it in the garbage. If you die tonight you'll be a dead townie and as Robik says we should listen to dead townies more. | ||
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On January 06 2015 07:22 IAmRobik wrote: WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE SO SAD THAT I'M TOWN!?!?? You should probably reflect on that as a person. | ||
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On January 06 2015 07:29 IAmRobik wrote: I've been on my best behavior this game. Besides superbia or sicklucker who got offended by me calling one of his posts/arguments dumb, I haven't done a single thing, besides calling people clowns and poop poop. I was kind of joking. | ||
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On January 06 2015 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Im the medic. Good luck town. Now I'm a troll you cunt. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/K3OUgXf.gif) | ||
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On January 06 2015 01:04 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy you look like mafai. I can't exactly say why. I have this feeling. Palmar is mafia JAT could be, gotta work on him. Sicklucker reasoning to rescind is bad. To me, he just saw the chance of claiming being cop when Robik pointed out he could be the cop when he said "who would you check?". Which is stupid but whatever. I disagree with marv, it's not a suicidal play as mafia exactly because you're reading it as too suicidal to be mafia, therefore, town. I don't thing his claiming and rescind should be taken in account to read him as either alignment. KelsierSC night push on the cop at night is bad. But he does look like he is trying to figure out the game for himself which makes me have a slight townread on him. As hard as it is to me to say this, Robik looks townie to me. I can't really say why, also. His mafia play looked more underwhelming on Guilty Mini Mafia. I don't like how GB basically calls Damdred scummy and Robik towny based on a feeling. Nor the ignoring of the cop claim. I've heard Geript say that he's always got pretty superficial arguments but ugh. Marv 17 page filter before D3. Probably town. Sicklucker is bad at posting image links. This Marv/Palmar thing about what he'd do/wouldn't do is hard to comment on. I don't know if Scum!Palmar would really stress how he's 100% certain about a read. The scum!Palmar I've seen is more complacent. It's such a weird argument to make if he were scum. On January 06 2015 01:40 GlowingBear wrote: I was already townread before coming to the thread against people. I could keep the lurkage and survive days over. I'm not lurking anymore because finally I have a stable internect connection at home. If you really can't see this as obvious town, nothing will. This post from GB feels kinda towny in its brashness though. It seems I like GB's posts where he doesn't scumhunt more than where he does. This is problematic. On January 06 2015 01:53 marvellosity wrote: you're being silly. the point is this: when Palmar has been town, he's treated me in x way (and yes i was mafia in those two games, dem's how the dice rolled) here he is treating me in a completely different way (even though he has called me mafia all game) Do you feel that even after he called you scum for 100% he's still scared to lynch you? Seems pretty clear to me. On January 06 2015 02:02 IAmRobik wrote: If medic isn't on kelsier tonight, you're getting your balls ripped off I think you should be on Kelsier tonight bb. Maybe invite Marv too, I'm sure he's into that kinda thing. I heard Vivax brought up and I don't think I've seen him tonight. It is pretty convenient that he's disappeared when the action went off him. His D2 did seem pretty decent though so we'll see how D3 goes. On January 06 2015 02:30 marvellosity wrote: People town should never lynch: jat DrH sl People town should have to have amazing reasons to lynch because i really think they are town: Artanis Kelsier Pretty decent list. Kelsier, in your Lazer case you mention him waffling on Vivax a lot. Do you think he's a better lynch than Vivax? On January 06 2015 03:03 IAmRobik wrote: There's like a 90% chance I lead a lynch on VE tomorrow since his predecessor was mafia and replaced out before of it How did you make that out from his 2 posts? Kelsier why do you still think Marv is scum? GB why do you suddenly read Damdred as town? On January 06 2015 03:24 sicklucker wrote: Ya ritoky looks super bad for last second voting on a 3-5-7 vote. He voted on the 3 Reminds me of Geript's Vivax vote. Just seems like a badclaim rather than a scumclaim. | ||
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Justanothertownie - A Eulogy ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EX8VCro.jpg) Can I see another's woe, And not be in sorrow too? Can I see another's grief, And not seek for kind relief? Justanothertownie was a man. A great man. During his short time here in Liquidia he made a sizable contribution to the town. His passing will create a gap that no man can fill. Justanothertownie was, unlike his name implies, not just another townie. He was the greatest townie that this town has ever seen, with miraculous insights that only the greatest of players could have. He was also fearless in his reads. When faced by adversaries, he refused to give in and spread his knowledge amongst all those who wished to listen. Unfortunately, the brightest flames burn out the quickest. JAT's flame has been extinguished, but the memoires of his fire will continue to burn inside all of us. To remind us of his great contributions, I have selected a few of his best posts to be remembered for all eternity. + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2015 03:57 justanothertownie wrote: Exactly. It was crunchtime. Geript made an extremely weird vote. I didn't know what to make of it. It takes a remarkable amount of brain power to succintly notice and point out just how often I make good posts, but JAT had that talent. He also had a remarkable talent in leadership. Whenever town wasn't sure who to lynch, he made sure his lynch target got lynched in at least 50% of situations. Granted, the results weren't always satisfactory, but he made it happen and there are few people in this town who can say the same. To honour his memory, I would like to increase that percentage to 100%. A wise video game character once said "Justice demands retribution". Superbia has evaded that justice for too long. He has descecrated JAT's grave by not dying when JAT told him to die, and instead killed him in cold blood. This is a crime deserving of but one punishment; execution. ##Vote Superbia | ||
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Anyway, we should really lynch Superbia today. I really can't imagine a scumteam without Superbia in it. He's said some really weird stuff like doing things not to get NKed N1, his random abrasiveness out of nowhere, his scumread on SL that surpassed any cop claim. He also somehow didn't have a read on Vivax and barely on Geript, the main two wagons of the day other than himself. On January 05 2015 13:04 Superbia wrote: I found geript to be scummy early on but now I just don't know anymore. He has said some decent things and his reads feel somewhat okay-ish. I also don't feel like the mafia-meta I had on him also is that relevant after checking one of his town-games. I also feel like there's literally no one supporting him, which makes it hard to see him as scum. I don't think scum busses this hard this fast. Especially on a vet. Literally feels like he's alone in the game. Vivax I don't even have a read on. I checked his filter early on but kind of lost interest after seeing nothing standing out. I have read Koshi's case on him but meh. The only decent thing he did was about Robik's read on him changing but since Robik seems to have claimed town that doesn't help him very much anymore. | ||
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Marv: Do you feel that even after Palmar called you scum for 100% he's still scared to lynch you? Seems pretty clear to me. Kelsier: In your Lazer case you mention him (Lazer) waffling on Vivax a lot. Do you think he's a better lynch than Vivax? Why do you still think Marv is scum? Also to everyone: Opinions on a Superbia lynch please. | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:02 Chezinu wrote: Can someone be kind enough say hi to me and acknowledge my existence and not get killed in a few hours? Hi Chezinu! I'm glad to have you in the game. How are you today? Will you lynch Superbia with me? | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:11 Chezinu wrote: Wait.. does this mean your going to die next? I hope not, I'm too young to die | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:18 sicklucker wrote: This is artanis last day on earth. The mafia told me so ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hBgZGOf.gif) | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:18 Chezinu wrote: If we are all a flame, can they stop a forest fire? Only if the wind blows the right way. | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:21 sicklucker wrote: Lets all have a moment of silence for the great ve, who claimed medic and took a bullet for artanis | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:51 IAmRobik wrote: artanis, why do you think i'm town after today and not after last night Because yesterday you were questioning people about dumb shit and today you're trying to figure shit out. | ||
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On January 07 2015 06:04 IAmRobik wrote: who is mafia besides superbia? Do you think sicklucker is town? if so, do you think there's any way that vivax is town? I haven't looked at associations but I guess something like Palmar/GB/Vivax/Lazer. I guess SL can be scum if he's not actually the cop, I'm not sure. Vivax could be town but it's pretty unlikely because there's a decent amount of people I think are pretty town. | ||
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On January 07 2015 06:28 marvellosity wrote: ritoky everything you post is so god-damn dry He's made a complete 180 in that regard. I like him better this way tbh. | ||
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On January 07 2015 04:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I really can't imagine a scumteam without Superbia in it. He's said some really weird stuff like doing things not to get NKed N1, his random abrasiveness out of nowhere, his scumread on SL that surpassed any cop claim. He also somehow didn't have a read on Vivax and barely on Geript, the main two wagons of the day other than himself. The only decent thing he did was about Robik's read on him changing but since Robik seems to have claimed town that doesn't help him very much anymore. | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:14 GlowingBear wrote: Yes He is not here And I would expect that lurking mafia would come to the thread to defend himself at this point. Or he's basically conceded because everyone's reading him as scum and he doesn't want to give associations? | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:31 GlowingBear wrote: Do you really believe this, Art? Like, he isn't even the top discussion. Vivax was. I also went through his filter and saw nothing wrong. Gonna read your post. Tbh, at this moment, I just want to sheep koshi on Vivax or VE on Robik. That's all I want to do. I've most interest in the game very quickly and this game is turning into a shitfest :/ He's the leading wagon, he almost got lynched yesterday and his filter looks like shit. How can you say there's nothing wrong? Also, this is the case on him. | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote: Oh I thought it was clear I was town. Lol. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6iKYWcK.gif) | ||
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On January 07 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote: Well, I saw nothing wrong with geript and he was town after all. And I do feel Superbia is coming from a town perspective. "I really can't imagine a scumteam without Superbia in it. He's said some really weird stuff like doing things not to get NKed N1, his random abrasiveness out of nowhere, his scumread on SL that surpassed any cop claim. He also somehow didn't have a read on Vivax and barely on Geript, the main two wagons of the day other than himself." What weird stuff? Didn't see it. I said it right in the post there. He said he wasn't doing things so he wouldn't get NKed N1. What is abrasiveness? Is it like... Getting mad? Because if it is, I don't see that much or I simply see it justified. Yes, and there's plenty of it. And all of it is injustified because he's been inactive. Would you be on a high horse when you get called out after having like 6 posts coming into D2? I'm also scumreading SL. His cop claim was off. Day1 cop claim with no reason. Do you see it coming from a blue perspective? I don't. I don't see it coming from a red perspective. I guess I should brush this off as a bad claim given how many players have gone after it though. As for someone who was afk, not having a read is okay. I had a town read on geript but I didn't have a read on Vivax at that time. I actually don't know what to do with Vivax, my main reason to want to lynch him is sheeping koshi, who I think was too certain of Vivax being scum. He died night 1 instead of any other power player. This bothers me. I just can't fathom not having opinions on the strongest lead candidates near the end of the day from a town perspective. It just.. huh. So, I think this is weak. No u. | ||
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On January 07 2015 23:52 marvellosity wrote: when did you decide ritoky was likely mafia rather than terrible town? His complete 180 in attitude. Even though I like the new Ritoky better it makes me question the sincerity of him earlier. | ||
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On January 08 2015 00:05 Lazermonkey wrote: Why is theChyz so townie, Artanis and SL? He made a case and then he literally ragequit when people didn't listen to him. | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:14 IAmRobik wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOL. Have fun Artanis ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9h9yQOj.gif) | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:15 IAmRobik wrote: Ritoky fake claimed under pressure. I counter-claimed, but am considering rescinding and letting him live one extra day in order to lynch someone else who I think is mafia with him. Can I claim too? | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:19 IAmRobik wrote: confirmed. is that the mascot of victoria's secret? No, but I was a mascot for the World Cup in South Africa. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UTzejE9.jpg) | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:22 IAmRobik wrote: I thought the mascot for SA WC was the vuvuzela Don't remind me, bitches stole my job. | ||
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On January 08 2015 08:24 IAmRobik wrote: can you just claim cop with a red check on ritoky so i can rescind my claim and then you can get night killed and then i'll get another check I don't want to upset Palmar. He looks pretty upsettable. | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:08 Vivax wrote: Like if I had it my way we'd be lynching Robik, SL and marv right now and then I'd bother about the other scum. L o L | ||
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On January 08 2015 01:33 sicklucker wrote: So if theres no replacement for dr that means we only have 1 mislynch left. We only have 1 mislynch left either way. Presuming Dr.H flips town we'd be at 7v5 MYLO without the modkill, 6v5 LYLO with it. | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:06 KelsierSC wrote: I know right now there is a scum QT of something like Robik,SL,dam,artanis and chyz who are all laughing hysterically at me If I were in that QT I'd be having the time of my life | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:08 IAmRobik wrote: Are you in one with ritoky and a bunch of AFKers instead? That would be depressing I do have a qt but it's with trfel and tubesock and they're mocking me | ||
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I'm tempted to swap Palmar and Damdred's locations on my list but a scumteam of Superbia/Ritoky/Damdred/Vivax/Lazermonkey getting this far and making it past balancing is hard to imagine. Ritoky's checks are so bad it's hard to imagine him actually faking them. Like he went to scumqt and said "Hey guys I'm faking cop and I'm claiming "DrH n1 was green SL n2 was green". and then claim I still don't believe my own SL check. Sounds good right?" "Sure, that's cool and totally not retarded to claim green checks on two people everyone thought were town." | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:43 IAmRobik wrote: Have I not claimed cop yet? This is where I'm at. On January 08 2015 06:52 IAmRobik wrote: Jesus christ. If I claim cop, will you lynch him? I'm literally about to fucking claim cop just to get that to happen because it's so painfully obvious to me Should I get my out? | ||
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On January 08 2015 10:44 KelsierSC wrote: I can see ritoky making a hail mary play to survive. if someone said, rit you just should just claim cop to try and 1-1 because you are probably getting lynched today. Then he makes checks which don't incriminate anyone. Note how he prefaces the SL check with thoughts that a framer probably was on him. WHY CHECK HIM THEN! Dam and LM can't be scum together imo If it's a play to make me think he might be a dumbass instead of scum it's a pretty good play. I agree that it's unlikely, which means I'm probably giving Palmar too much credit since Marv's up to 24 pages and Robik's town. Okay, Robik hardclaimed cop so I guess Ritoky is scum after all unless he's pulling a SL too. The amount of people claiming cop then rescinding has been annoying. | ||
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On January 08 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: Marv isn't town Marv isn't town Where's chez and Artanis? Hi GB! | ||
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On January 08 2015 13:43 IAmRobik wrote: it's gonna look so bad if super flips town and then i don't get night killed We can share in looking bad then. It'll be fun. | ||
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On January 08 2015 20:07 DarthPunk wrote: What do people think about robik at the moment? Town. On January 08 2015 20:21 marvellosity wrote: = I'll go read Lazer's filter myself and line it up with what you said Did you do this yet and if so what did you find? On January 08 2015 20:26 Vivax wrote: Okay boss. Well currently I'm kinda clueless as I didn't expect super to flip scum and SL being on his wagon, I think I'll just sheep my strongest townread at this point: Artanis. So my vote in future days will just go wherever Artanis vote is. I don't want to cause more damage to this game. My life for aiur. Well, this is awkward. On January 08 2015 21:04 Lazermonkey wrote: If ritoky is scum then I was chosing between two scum so how does my indecision point in any direction anyway? Its more and more obvious to me that you are at the very least tunnely town, could very well be scum. You keep on tunneling me, attacking me for reasons that don't make sense. I can actually get some of the suspicion that I have on me, but yours feels very forced. Its like you are really trying to make my actions fit a scum agenda instead of actually trying to figure out my alignment. I will read into you more when I get home and try to figure you out. For now, I will not be able to much at all. Why is this post longer than one sentence? On January 08 2015 22:50 GlowingBear wrote: Marv is town, Vivax. I've just realised that. He isn't dying tonight because mafia wants to WIFOM the shit out of him. They want you to exactly think that he is scum because he is still alive. That's why he won't die tonight, and DP will What changed that made you townread Marv all of a sudden? Robik can you please stop defending yourself from Vivax, it's really boring to read. Damdred's case on LM is pretty solid. Could sheep after ritoky/10 On January 09 2015 02:45 IAmRobik wrote: maybe artanis is scum who had a try-hard d1. His filter isn't as long or great as I thought it was...granted i didn't read it and i'm just selectively remembering things ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ykBx4Fb.gif) | ||
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On January 09 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote: I think Lazer is scum, here is my case repeated on him Day 1 he is guilty of the same things he goes hard after chy because of thread sentiment. He moves his target around using thread sentimen He misrepresents things constantly in the thread and back tracks constantly D2 he hard defends a push to lynch Superbia (known mafia now) He states d3 that he thinks ritoky is the cop and won't lycn an un cc'd cop but his vote is on him anyway He states during the day that Super looks bad but shouldn't be the lynch. Right before he leaves he parks his vote on Superbia, with his main scum read whos been vocal about wanting a super bia lynch. I think his vote looks more like a bus and hes mafia to me. | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:16 Vivax wrote: I don't think I've ever witnessed marv being so disengaged from important stuff, and marv not trying to force his opinion into you with a pneumatic hammer of words, so yes I think he's mafia. For Artanis atm I'm going with no but I have no clue why he thinks you're town. Wasn't I your top town just a bit ago? I already read Robik as town then but yet your opinion on me seems to have changed. Why? | ||
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On January 09 2015 07:00 KelsierSC wrote: Artanis can you make a legacy post Lynch Ritoky tomorrow Lynch between Vivax and Lazermonkey the next day If you lynched Lazer and he didn't flip scum lynch Damdred, if that didn't happen lynch Palmar at this point unless he bleeds town. Never lynch Robik/Chez/DP/SL/Marv/Kelsier unless you have a really really good reason. Robik has been trying to figure the game out strongly. Chezinu is town because Chyz was town for making a case then going MIA. DP is town because Dr.H was obvtown with his rants on Chyz. SL is town because of shenannies with the cop. Scum would never claim cop in an open setup unless they really had to. Marv is town because 27 page filter and he's been doing stuff. Kelsier is town because he's been figuring stuff out all game and making cases. | ||
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On January 09 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote: Cause you posted "Robik is town" after I decided to sheep you since you were so townie for the eulogy stuff on a scummer and I Was posting all the arguments against him, so I basically reverted my opinion on sheeping you in the mood of the moment since I thought you were #teamRobik and Robik was mafia. I still don't think you're scum but I won't sheep you. Don't mind that I said I wanted to kill your homeworld with fire. What? JAT was town and that was what most of the post was about. The push on Superbia came in a post after that. I don't understand the rest of your post either. Also, despite my Protoss avatar and Protoss hero name, I play Zerg because Protoss is too ezmode (also BW master race). On January 09 2015 08:59 Vivax wrote: And if you want to decide between LM and me do it now cause your Eulogy post seemed soconfident I thought you were the cop at the time (since JAT had multiple suspects but somehow only Super came into question for that post, and that post basically had zero arguments except that super was ONE of the guys JAT wanted to lynch),so now that you put me back into the mindset of rethinking you it could have been an elaborate bus on second thought THE EULOGY POST WAS BASICALLY A JOKE THE REASONS FOR LYNCHING SUPERBIA CAME LATER I think both you and LM have been doing a lot of scummy shit. You in just about every thought diverging from myself (like the SL/marv/robik list wtf) and everyone else I deem town and LM for defending Superbia and defending Ritoky then still voting him and trying to move people off the Superbia lynch then eventually hopping on anyway. Both of you look p. awful. On January 09 2015 09:08 Vivax wrote: Artanis I wanta reply to this that isn't a gif before the flip. [img]http://i.imgur.com/HOoiMiu.gif/img] First: You ignore all the shit I said about Robik. Now if Robik is really the cop I don't really know what makes you confident about it, what makes you ignore all the stuff I've posted about why I think he isn't 1. Robik is clearly town. 2. Robik is unlikely to fakeclaim in this situation. 3. If Robik were scum and would fakeclaim he would make it look better than a check on a dead townie and a check on a universal townread. 4. Ritoky is as scummy as a Marv with a 3 page filter on D3. Second: you put me into the next lynch slot "between Lazer and me " and in my opinion Lazer is miles more scummy than me so I figured you'd have a much more crisp opinion on who is town and who is scum between us. It's like you only put me there cause everybody thinks I look like shit now cause I suspect what everybody thinks to be the real cop. Your reads are completely different from the rest of the town. There's a clear convergence between most of my townreads which leads me to believe that either someone's playing a really really good scumgame, or more likely, that everyone in that circle is town and scum is trying to break the circle. Your arguments have been poor this game for the most part (with an exception somewhere in D2). Basically you're not being the town!Vivax I expected you to be. Third: If Robik is the real cop scum knows it and if ritoky is scum he's the only guy who's going to speak up against him and so far I didn't really see people speaking up against Robik being the cop iirc. Scum won't go against who they know is the real cop as it puts them under scrutiny. On January 09 2015 09:11 Vivax wrote: LIke if I'd be scum right now and Robik is really the cop I'd align with all the people who believe him, say lynch ritoky, and call it a night and stop posting, and not talk endlessly about why I think he isn't. I'm not that tryhard and ballsy as scum, I even shoot my teammates and then claim I'm a town vig who shot them before I hard defend them, that's how much i'm pussy as scum. You know, the problem with self-metaing like this is that it loses all value once you use it as an argument to defend yourself. Your entire game has revolved around going right in against thread sentiment, it'd be suspect to let go of it now. If you don't reply I will strike you with my full wrath the next day. I'd almost backspace everything here just to see it happen. On January 09 2015 09:15 Vivax wrote: Now back to Terran icon cause zerg sucks and doesn't need mechanic skillz. But still more than Protoss cheesy scum. I will fight you. | ||
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Marv I remember that you said you'd look into Lazer after Damdred's case. Did you ever actually do that? | ||
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On January 09 2015 10:14 Vivax wrote: Also Artanis differentiation between me and LM in terms of scumminess is very wishywashy, I'd figure he'd want to get a clearer picture instead of leaving it at that "both of you have done scummy shit etc.". But when he considers LM he doesn't consider that LM still hopped on super after all the defense which is way more indiciative of him being scum than me. I at least thought a thing and then pulled it through and didn't correct it in th fear that being on the wrong wagon would make me look bad. Why doesn't this reasoning appear in artanis argumentation. You're more experienced as scum and you know how bad it can look to switch back later on. The entire game you've been consistently wrong. It'd be weird for the character you're playing to suddenly swap. LM was already riding the "but I'll vote Superbia if I have to" thing for a while whereas you didn't leave yourself any room to do so. | ||
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On January 09 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote: Well that is fucking retarded as fuck, Let me get this straight. Cop!Robik sees a cop claim, Cop!Robik counter claims in order to lynch the fake cop for sure. Cop!Robik then says he doesn;t want to Lynch into the cop claims because he wants to get more checks off. THEN WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT IN COUNTERCLAIMING THE INITIAL CLAIM???!?!? The whole point in counterclaiming is to lynch one of the claims. That makes no sense to me at all. Am I missing something? This is actually a good point. I really hope I'm not in bizarro land where Vivax is actually right and Robik is somehow, someway scum. | ||
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On January 09 2015 10:59 Vivax wrote: Oh and you're implying I wouldn't leave myself any room for switching to superbia cause I'm more experienced since it would look bad if I switched to superbia since I would think it would look bad if I did so. Well, just no. Anyone who leads a lynch on scum looks like town hero unless he's the only possible scum left by PoE, and anyone who defends scum will be subject to scrutiny. Point in case: Leads. You were never going to lead a lynch on Superbia. All this discussion however shows one thing: You inherently want to not lynch LM but want to lynch me since you leave the option open that LM is town for his attitude on superbia and don't display it when you say "then we lynch one of LM or Vivax". Now instead you argue in favour of LM who has been misrepresenting things on multiple occcasions (especially about me) before being pointed to the parts that showed that he read something incorrectly. So basically I take from all of this that your attitude towawrds superbia and me isn't equal like you suggested, but instead you see me as more likely scum but didn't explicitly say so, which makes you suspicious. If you say so. | ||
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On January 09 2015 11:01 Vivax wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAH But when I say that Robik is full of shit in what he's saying cause he prefers to get more (possibly unreliable) checks rather than lynching obvious scum you just keep your ears shut and add me to the possible scum? I stopped listening to you on Robik for quite some time because Robik was pretty much confirmed town in my eyes so your posts were boring. I still think he's very likely to be town. | ||
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On January 09 2015 11:05 Vivax wrote: So does this mean you agree with me? You say LM kept an option open to switch to super, and I didn't cause I figured it would look bad, which means you scumread me more than him but didn't say it openly? No, I'm saying both actions easily fit within the scum narrative for both of you. | ||
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On January 09 2015 11:10 Vivax wrote: Well if you think I'm scum you should listen to me cause there might be valuable hints in what I say. The point is: I'm not fucking scum. I even talk so much you get bored so I have no idea how you can think I'm scum. I pointed out what's wrong with Robik since EoD2, no matter what his excuse is. If he was busy modding a game but still wasn't busy enough to keep posting in the thread and looking a the posts then something was odd. I want to see Robik answer DP's points. I still find it almost impossible to believe that Robik played this kind of D3 as scum. It's one of two things in your filter that give me pause; filter length and your D2 play where I felt you picked up the slack. I need to filter dive you properly but I'm not doing that at 3:15am. On January 09 2015 11:12 DarthPunk wrote: All we should be discussing right now is which claim to lynch. Ritoky. The way he took Robik's "rescind" seriously is so dumb there is no way he believes it. | ||
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On January 09 2015 11:19 Vivax wrote: Why wouldn't he believe it? SL already fakeclaimed cop and he shat on him for that, he could have had all reason to assume that Robik's rescinding was just another retarded fakeclaim, only claimed in order to get ritoky lynched cause maybe Robik was so super confident. It's the way he said it. If he actually wanted to rescind he would've done it in a serious manner, not like this: On January 08 2015 07:12 IAmRobik wrote: Actually -- this is brilliant. I rescind my claim. Let's lynch vivax and then see what scum does | ||
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##Vote Vivax On January 09 2015 17:04 DarthPunk wrote: I already told you why I think he is town. I wouldn't mind lynching glowingbear actually he looks pretty scummy. GB is likely town due to Palmar's case. It made a lot of sense and he either believes in it as town or he knows he's right if he's scum. + Show Spoiler [case] + On January 08 2015 05:27 Palmar wrote: Tone read. He wrote "O hai!" which sort of feels like one of these "Look how casual and chill I am, totally not mafia" (think what I said about marv's "bitch" last game. Some scum points for that. is the bolded TMI? He was defending geript at the point but was completely unsuccessful in stopping the wagon on him. Also the reasons he thinks this is townie are quite fluffy. "keeps discussion going" is hardly a thing.Some more scum points I gave him town points for this at the time, and probably still should. Then again, marv is unlikely to dispute this as town, because it's essentially correct AND has very little chance to actually be pushed through. Don't know if town, or calculated risk, or scumbuddies (another form of calculated risk). Slight town points. GB seems to have changed his mind a lot during day 1: Complete 180 on Eden. In the wrong direction in my opinion (I started out thinking Eden was mafia for some interaction, with DrH I think? The one marv agreed was weird, but he kinda grew on me). I also think he had some back and forth with his vote on geript. But I can't remember what it exactly was. Town points for this. Calling everyone mafia is usually rather townie, because mafia tends to want to make friends rather than enemies, and calling everyone mafia is a good way to make enemies. *** Actually I'm just stopping here. I read his case on me, and it is essentially correct. It just doesn't mean I was mafia (he was 100% correct that I wrote that post because I wanted to contribute despite being somewhat behind, I just wanted to do it to help, not to look like I was helping. Like I wanted to throw some ideas out there). Like I'm literally gonna give him a townread for writing a wrong case on me. He has a ton of post that look sort of town actually, so despite most of the posts I wrote above I'm just gonna assume GB is town. Here's a few examples of posts I saw while skimming his filter that oculd be from town. Also I think I got from his filter that he wanted to kill sicklucker for the claim. I think that's actually a fairly town move because mafia would most likely not want to push an un-ccd cop even if that cop is being a bit of a dick with it. Idk, too much of GB's filter feels sort of unforced, although there are some bad spots in there too. I'm not 100% certain on it, but I think it's enough to give him a pass. He changes his mind a lot, calls a lot of people mafia, seems not worried about his own look at all, doesn't try to make friends etc etc. Imma not lynch GB. On January 09 2015 21:19 Lazermonkey wrote: I've adressed all points allready I think but I'll try to summarize very fast. - Its nice that I, in the first sentence, am attacked for being tunnely and in the next am accused of moving my target around. I agree with that my push against Chyz was stupid but I fail to see how it is indicative of me being scum. - I misrepresennt things all the time. Take this for what you want. If you really want to push this point read some of my other games I guess. English is not my mother tongue so sometimes I just suck a bit a understanding stuff in the thread. TBH I'd say scum is more likely NOT to misrepresent things, but yhea, I'm a bit biased here : D. - I agree (that me defending Superbia in favour of a geript lynch that is) this makes me look scummy as shit. All I can say is that townies sometimes are wrong. - I don't understand this argument? Its true I kept my vote on ritoky for a while. But what matters is where it ends up, no? I was very clear about that I wanted to not lynch ritoky if he wasn't counterclaimed. - Yes, I did say Super looked bad. I never said I was super hard against his lynch. Just that I thought Ritoky was a better lynch. - I have answered this 1000 times. My vote swap is 100% justified if you just read my filter. I think Damdred is implying on the first point that you're going hard after Chyz for arguments that could be used to describe your own play. Point on Ritoky vote: I guess, it doesn't make sense that you wouldn't unvote there if you didn't believe Ritoky was the cop but I view it as a minor point anyway. You seem to be pretty much agreeing with the rest. You did explain your Superbia vote but the way you went about it felt forced and looked to be coming more from a scum perspective of "oh I want to end up on the right lynch". On January 09 2015 21:42 Vivax wrote: Read this if you think I'm scum. This does make your reads look more fluid than I gave you credit for. Gonna have to re-eval stuff. | ||
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On January 10 2015 03:30 GlowingBear wrote: If SL is town then batsnacks wagon was pure town Which means mafia was comfortable with both lynches day1 Which means Chyz is town On January 10 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote: The read post was earlier and I specifically asked for attention. I could jus the e posted the reads and when confronted, showed them, instead of actually asking for town to care about what I write. I've posted a lot of POV's why I'm town. Palmar read me as town weirdly. So did Ritoky. And so did Artanis at some point. They're keeping me alive if they are mafia, which I believe so. I've being scumreading them since the beginning. I heavily criticised a post from palmar. Why would I scumread possible townies that are reading me as town? The list goes on, DP. I'm an uninvolved townie, not a lurker scum. On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): TheChyz (2): DoctorHelvetica (0): geript (6): marvellosity (0): Lazermonkey (0): IAmRobik (0): sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched. until deadline. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IjjSSL2.jpg) Somehow GB is scumreading me whilst stating everyone who voted on Batsnacks "if SL is town". | ||
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On January 10 2015 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote: @Artanis, do you mind expand on why my vote felt forced? Because the entire day you kept edging closer and closer to a Superbia lynch despite not wanting to initially whilst keeping a bigger suspect all the while. I asked both Kel and Damdred why but I think the failed to answer in a statisfying way. You could say that during D1 your focus on Chyz which consisted only of rehashed arguments of people already made (such as my argument about him not doing anything useful after stating his problem with the Eden/Dr.H argument) made you a bit of a hypocrite in that regard, but I don't consider it a strong point unless Damdred/Kelsier can expand on it. How would a townie act in my position? There were no other counterwagon but super and I'd rather kill someone who I defended and who my scum read voted for than a uncontested cop. Of course it's understandable, but yet the way you got there feels scummy to me. | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:03 Vivax wrote: This actually tells you how good I can be at scum if it wasn't for me being lazy since I have nothing to solve. If you upped your activity as scum no one would be able to tell your games apart because as neither alignment do you make any sense. | ||
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LIST TIME, because it's the cool thing to do. Town Me, myself and I SL Kelsier TheChez Leaning Town Vivax Dr. H Marvellosity ??? Damdred Glowingbear Leaning Scum Lazermonkey Palmar Scum ritoky The problem here is that Lazermonkey doesn't make sense to be scum with Damdred and Glowingbear doesn't make sense to be scum with Palmar which means I'm either wrong on one of those associations or one of my townreads is scum. | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:11 Vivax wrote: Artanis might be scum just for saying "lean town" and not "supertown" about me. Don't push your luck mister. I want an explanation from GB about what I posted initially though. Vivax what do you think about GB's statements? It was my first post back in the thread. | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:12 sicklucker wrote: Like heres a list of people who have me as there top top Artanis robik jat marv Like if im mafia here just give me the win those are hard people to fool. Lets find mafia If you're mafia this game I'm going to the nominations thread and nominate you for best scumplay this decade. | ||
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On January 11 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote: Why aren't you scumreading me, Artanis? Whoever builds a scum team with me LM and palmar is stupid. Sorry. It had to be said. Answer my point first. Why did you say everyone on Bats has to be town if SL is town when you were scumreading me? | ||
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On January 11 2015 09:04 Vivax wrote: ---- ignores it Why doesn't marv mention that he disliked Palmar for saying he was bad instead of outright not playing properly when trying to give an opinion? What I dislike more about Marv here is that he's essentially saying he doesn't know how to read Palmar when he's been pretty clear to me in the past that a Town Palmar is usually either a 0 or 10 whereas a scumpalmar is a 5-7 in terms of effort. | ||
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On January 11 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because the entire day you kept edging closer and closer to a Superbia lynch despite not wanting to initially whilst keeping a bigger suspect all the while. You could say that during D1 your focus on Chyz which consisted only of rehashed arguments of people already made (such as my argument about him not doing anything useful after stating his problem with the Eden/Dr.H argument) made you a bit of a hypocrite in that regard, but I don't consider it a strong point unless Damdred/Kelsier can expand on it. Of course it's understandable, but yet the way you got there feels scummy to me. pls respond | ||
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On January 11 2015 11:55 Damdred wrote: LM entered the thread I believe with his accusations on chyz that sheeped what the rest of the thread had said and threw his vote down instantly, it didn't seem t be a pressure vote it seemed to be an actual vote that had intentin to kill. He never tried to really figure out alignments at that point in the game which was just hours into the game at that point I believe. He never asked questions to the person being scum read at that point just straight voted. Can you point out to me in the vote thread when LM voted for Chyz exactly? BH once said to me that a towny is scared to throw his vote around quickly and often in a serious fashion because townies on a whole are scared of getting it wrong and would rather have more understanding. (paraphrase obiously). I think I need to have a talk with BH if this is actually what he believes. Votes are the best way to pressure people. Has every vote you've made this game been with the intention of killing that person and only that? | ||
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On January 11 2015 12:08 Damdred wrote: his is the post i'm talking about...however i was looking at the voting thread and he never actually voted chyz...so maybe that point isn't as important anymore if at all Holy ninja batman. | ||
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On January 11 2015 12:11 Damdred wrote: yea it wasn't in the vote thread it seems his first vote in the vote thread was for geript. His first post indicated a vote on chy but wasn't in the vote thread would have to ask lazer if it was pressure or if he was unaware of the vote thread. Does it matter? He indicated a desire to lynch Chyz. | ||
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On January 11 2015 12:15 sicklucker wrote: im obvious j/k with my last post but thats basically how your tunneling on me. You found like 1 thin you think is scummy on a 40 page filyer You only have 34. Confirmed scum for lying about your filter size. | ||
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On January 11 2015 09:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Somehow GB is scumreading me whilst stating everyone who voted on Batsnacks "if SL is town". Pls respond Marv: On January 11 2015 11:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What I dislike more about Marv here is that he's essentially saying he doesn't know how to read Palmar when he's been pretty clear to me in the past that a Town Palmar is usually either a 0 or 10 whereas a scumpalmar is a 5-7 in terms of effort. I want to know why you haven't been willing to call Palmar scum when you've provided clear guidelines in the past for what makes him scum. | ||
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On January 12 2015 00:18 GlowingBear wrote: I've said after that something like "nevermind, there are a lot of nulls there" But you said that everyone else was town on there with such conviction. It's hard to ignore, especially when you corrected it an hour later. | ||
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I'm happy to lynch him for having too much information on alignments though. | ||
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Then again GB's reasoning for voting Vivax is pretty bad. His main reasoning was because "Koshi was obvious town". | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:40 Damdred wrote: How am I a potential list? I think claim games are stupid scrum has fakes this far into game more than likely and I am at work You're a potential lynch because you're not cleared. Palmar has a scumread on you, I don't know what to think of you and SL seems to have doubts on you as well. This isn't about the claim, but just your play overall in this game. I liked your LM case but you haven't really been here pushing him as much as I'd expect. | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:47 Damdred wrote: I'm not pushing a case when we have a mafia up for lynch? I pushed super begged until he was lynch so no I've been pushing things. You claim Palomar case is to selective so why's it matter he has a scrum read? Rit scrum read me. I think Palomar is mafia to so yea. Point is you're not universally townread and there's a decent amount of universal townreads out there so anyone that isn't on that list is a potential lynch. | ||
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You wanted to know why I was nullreading you yet you seem to have stopped caring. | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:50 Damdred wrote: Nobody in the game is universally town read? Besides dp I think. I think what you said is untrue Me, SL, DP and Kelsier are townread by just about everyone that matters. | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:51 GlowingBear wrote: I don't remember it anymore lol I'm fed up with this game But you can answer it if you want I've named plenty of points against you. Point in favour of you being town would be if Palmar is scum since his case on you being town looked forged in a way that I suspect he knew your alignment before he made it. Like he starts out with points that make you scummy, then 180s on that read on a very trivial point and immediately stops reading and makes a conclusion. + Show Spoiler [case] + On January 08 2015 05:27 Palmar wrote: Tone read. He wrote "O hai!" which sort of feels like one of these "Look how casual and chill I am, totally not mafia" (think what I said about marv's "bitch" last game. Some scum points for that. is the bolded TMI? He was defending geript at the point but was completely unsuccessful in stopping the wagon on him. Also the reasons he thinks this is townie are quite fluffy. "keeps discussion going" is hardly a thing.Some more scum points I gave him town points for this at the time, and probably still should. Then again, marv is unlikely to dispute this as town, because it's essentially correct AND has very little chance to actually be pushed through. Don't know if town, or calculated risk, or scumbuddies (another form of calculated risk). Slight town points. GB seems to have changed his mind a lot during day 1: Complete 180 on Eden. In the wrong direction in my opinion (I started out thinking Eden was mafia for some interaction, with DrH I think? The one marv agreed was weird, but he kinda grew on me). I also think he had some back and forth with his vote on geript. But I can't remember what it exactly was. Town points for this. Calling everyone mafia is usually rather townie, because mafia tends to want to make friends rather than enemies, and calling everyone mafia is a good way to make enemies. *** Actually I'm just stopping here. I read his case on me, and it is essentially correct. It just doesn't mean I was mafia (he was 100% correct that I wrote that post because I wanted to contribute despite being somewhat behind, I just wanted to do it to help, not to look like I was helping. Like I wanted to throw some ideas out there). Like I'm literally gonna give him a townread for writing a wrong case on me. He has a ton of post that look sort of town actually, so despite most of the posts I wrote above I'm just gonna assume GB is town. Here's a few examples of posts I saw while skimming his filter that oculd be from town. Also I think I got from his filter that he wanted to kill sicklucker for the claim. I think that's actually a fairly town move because mafia would most likely not want to push an un-ccd cop even if that cop is being a bit of a dick with it. Idk, too much of GB's filter feels sort of unforced, although there are some bad spots in there too. I'm not 100% certain on it, but I think it's enough to give him a pass. He changes his mind a lot, calls a lot of people mafia, seems not worried about his own look at all, doesn't try to make friends etc etc. Imma not lynch GB. Like he brings up a lot of points, comes across one thing that he thinks is townie (I want to lynch half the playerlist) then stops there and makes his conclusion. So if Palmar is scum I suspect that you're town. If Palmar is Town and simply being bad, then this reason disappears. | ||
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On January 12 2015 01:56 Damdred wrote: Not sure about that. SL is scrum read by at least one person. Kel isn't consensus and neither are you atm even viv has second feelings about you at points I did say everyone that matters. | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:00 Damdred wrote: Yeah whatever if people would of listened to me super would of died a day sooner. So who are these people again? Well, there's only one person that truly matters in this game. I think you know who it is. Also I lead the Super lynch on D2 initially. | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:01 GlowingBear wrote: Doesn't it feel like palmar was skimming through my filter, trying to discover my alignment and that when he reached a conclusion, he stopped filter diving, which looks townie? Like, I don't expect mafia to do such thing, although it's possible. So you think that this "stream of thought", in which he flips 180, is also fabricated? It felt like he had a forced change of heart based on a trivial post. Presuming he's scum I suspect he tried to scumread you at first but didn't feel like putting in the time and ended up with a townread that was poorly explained. | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote: Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town. Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum? This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case. | ||
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On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan. Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? | ||
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On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote: What difference does it make to what I'm saying? Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? | ||
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On January 12 2015 04:53 Lazermonkey wrote: Nope. Read my filter (like this and last page probably) for more details :D Found it, looks fine. I'm curious what makes you scumread Kelsier. He was the first name you mentioned with "scum is somewhere in here" yet you haven't really mentioned him since. | ||
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On January 12 2015 04:59 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans. | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:05 GlowingBear wrote: Can you explain to me what happened then? The most simple explanation is that scum didn't care because they were both obvscum. | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:07 DarthPunk wrote: Scum wanted Ritoky to die over Super but couldn't get it done. Wouldn't Super vote Ritoky and have Ritoky selfvote at the end if this was what they wanted? | ||
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Oh right that would look pretty bad yeah. If they really wanted Ritoky dead though at the very least Superbia would be voting him. | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:44 Lazermonkey wrote: Need to look into Artanis tomorrow I think. He pushed superbia hard D2 which is nice but he ended up on geript. Had voted superbia instead we would've killed superbia D2 and saved geript. I went to bed at a time when there were 3 votes on superbia and everyone was hesitant to vote for him. I initiated the push but couldn't get it off the ground because a lot of people simply called him a lurker and went on with their lives. You might want to look into that when you reread it. That's actually a good idea to do myself. On January 12 2015 06:24 GlowingBear wrote: After saying to marv that he would fake claim he was the cop the get ritoky lunched, his claim was pretty unclear. I can't agree with this. Yes, there was a little doubt given that Robik could've just claimed to get Ritoky lynched but it's such a gigantic risk to take as it could trigger the real cop to claim after all that it was very unlikely not to be him. | ||
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Oh hello. Damdred did join me on voting Superbia. Vivax was around but didn't comment on him. I believe everyone else has died or was afk at the time. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 02 2015 07:45 TheChyz wrote: Ok I'm back and refreshed a bit cause I think I was getting too emotionally invested for my own health. Anyways I still think we should lynch laser over geript. If anything we can just have geript lynched day 2 if he still continues to play the way he is, but it really seems like it is more out of not being too invested in the game. I still think geript is scummy but not as much as laser. So first he says it is scum mentality for doing all of this and then proceeds to say that what I did is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE and that the real problem is my motive? Unless you know what my motive is that is a HUGE jump to conclusions off of my first post. During this time in the thread people liked jumping on me and as such laser seems to be trying to find different angles to attack me from. More on this jumping onto the hype train later on. So this is super wishy washy to me. Not really attacking anybody or defending anybody (which is ok) but literally it sounds like im just reading a synopsis of what happened in the thread. Seems like someone not having reads but making some in order to look pro town (yes u can say im hypocrite, but I think i have given a few okish cases, kk?). Hmm, seems contradictory to a something a few posts ago. Really looks like trying not to give a real read and offer little to the town. Same complaint that people use on me can be applied here. Says something, but has no point other than having something to make it seem like he is contributing to town. Like i've said before, this is reading super "I'm sorry for doing what I did yesterday, forget about it and I will be town today. Lets lynch scum. GO TEAM GO". BLEH, try to hide more? So this is pretty interesting. Seems like he is trying to push koshi a little but still not commiting. I don't have anything to add other than laser described himself perfectly in his 3rd point about koshi. Next immediately he forgets about koshi and goes onto geript. The only time before that he talked about geript is that he is slightly towny to him. So from going to leaning towny to super fine with lynching is a pretty big jump and his points he brings up don't merit that much of a jump. So what happened is koshi stuff died off a bit and then geript train was just starting. This would be a great vote for him if geript gets lynched because he was one of the first few but not the lynch starter so it seems like hes just trying to put himself in a good position if geript gets lynched. "I looked at him, not lynch worthy, but lynch tmrw is ok". Seems like he is trying to give rikoty a free pass to live another day...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also following the general town wagon because rikoty not doing so hot so this gets him + town points. So he drops his accusation on me (remember, at this point only dr.H was on my ass, everybody was mostly like, meh about me). Again super bandwagony. And up to this point his only real reads that I have seen that aren't rehashed stuff is a little on koshi (which also applies to him) so basically garbage. So from going from, "I'm not lynching till day 2 cause marv is a strong player and I don't have a read on him or is playing bad" into, "well people are talking about marv, might aswell seem interested now". And finally after getting his points for being suspicious of marv he goes back to saying that geript is the best lynch so far. Again this is all unoriginal and is just following w/e the thread seems to be heading towards. I have not seen him give a good reason why he thinks geript is scummy and he just follows the threads flow. Not doing any scum hunting and when does they are pretty weak cases. Always seems to agree with the general tone of the thread and never has anything useful to add. Just lurking on through while still pretending to be "active". Overall I think he is a better lynch the geript and I think people should at least look more indepth on him. Also I have a feeling the ritoky and him are buddied scum. Sorry for long post, I know how you guys hate it but I really think laser is the best lynch today. On January 02 2015 08:47 TheChyz wrote: ya im done, this game has been such a mispleasure to play. Thanks dr.H, great game played by you. Best town player by far. You caught the scum. Here are my current notes btw. koshi - too good at defending me and making no other good reads. hasnt really contributed anything to town. scummy glowingbear - nada, not good sign geript - null to scum. Started fine but I expected more. Not leading town like I remember. Kinda just lurking but still in thread. Still nothing really. Expected more and his scum read on keslier is wtf? Scummy Artanis[XP] - somegood reads, some terrible ones. still making them and pushing them alright imo. towny. lazermonkey - bandwagoned onto me. made garbage about other people. need actual reads and not garbage at this point in the game. Tries to apologize, every post he makes makes him seem worse and worse. Tries to cover up his tracks. scummy marvellositty - apparently this great player but nada? something doesn't feel right. but terrible start can be excuse? slightly scummy justanothertownie - bothers me with some posts but I can kinda feel his train of thought. leaning townny Iamrobik - doesn't do anything but still in thread? weird. lazy. scummy theChyz - SUPER TOWN palmar - Keeps thread in good direction. If anything only look at day 3 since anything helping town (even if in wrong direction) is not worth a thought of lynching. town damdred - nothing jumps out, feels way too much of doing nothing for my taste, null to slightly scummy batsnacks - kinda weird play. posts sometimes good info, and then shit later. null sicklucker - I don't really like any of his reads hes making and they all seem kinda out in left field. scummy-ish vivax - don't like atm, not enough but just his posts are pretty off. scummy but weak at best kelsierSC - seems to be steering the town whenever he talks, pretty clear train of thought. slightly town. I like him more now, just seems to keep towny vibe. town ritoky - garbage opener, nothing since. garbage large post for no reason and terrible reads. scum Dr.H - rode me hard but kinda like how I did when town. Town. Big d bag tho. Eden1892 - nothing really sticks out too much, need to read closer, null. Also kinda just lurking around but does bring up good points every so ofter, towny. RebirthOfLegend - nada, not good sign Superbia - nada, not good sign scum list if I had to pick: -lazermonkey -ritoky -geript -koshi -a lurker/sicklucker/damdred ##Vote: TheChyz Do you find it reasonable to believe that a scumplayer would actually ragequit like this? The slot is pretty much confirmed town imo. | ||
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Will you join us today a little longer There are many questions waiting for you If you do not answer, you will become poo When you are scum, you tread the middle of the road Whereas as town, you go hard or play like a toad This game you have been mostly invisible Where is the Palmar that makes his alignment divisible? Your case on GB was most curious And your case against Damdred dubious You helped lynch Geript, a member of our town What have you done this game that hasn't made us frown? Oh Plumber, dear dear plumber We know you love cutting lumber Yesterday, a tree fell on DP's head And now we must make you dead. ##Vote Palmar | ||
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Also, you stated before that Marv was 100% scum, then you said later that Marv should read you as town whether he's town or scum implying that you do in fact doubt your read on him. Why and where did that happen? | ||
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On January 13 2015 00:25 Palmar wrote: Because the closest thing in the thread to an actual accusation, I'm just going to respond to Artanis' poem. Also, he's one of the people I want most to actually talk to, because he's basically stayed away from me throughout the game (it feels like, at least, I've interacted with vivax, gb, marv, sl etc, but him I've sorta never talked to). Don't know what you mean by curious. It's super townie if you know how brains work. If I am mafia, I already know GB's alignment, so why would I bother with the whole "start out piling some scum points on him, pretend to read more, then completely flip my conclusion and call him town". Like I'm not good enough at scum to do that. Now obviously you can argue this, but I'd think that because I have perfect information as mafia, I wouldn't have bothered with the whole changing my mind in the middle of the post/filter read. I think I'd rather have tried to strengthen whichever conclusion I wanted to reach by mostly citing examples pointing in that one direction. Stopping mid-filter when I feel confident he's town after questioning some of his early stuff, is something not many mafia would do. I've expanded on this in an earlier post. It feels to me like you arbitrarily decided he was town halfway through the case when you couldn't find enough to incriminate him with a fairly meaningless post in "I suspect half the players". I find it hard to imagine that you find it hard to imagine for a scum player to say it as much as to go from scumreading to townreading someone, especially after you criticized him for creating a fake tone earlier. After that you suddenly view his posts in a townie light and do a decent job at that, which I suspect is because you know his alignment. I don't doubt that it could be forged. What do you think of Damdred? Do you disagree that he's played this game very much in the background? He's not taken any kind of a leadership role in town and even now, with just a handful of players remaining, almost nothing he has written really stands out. Sure, voting superbia on day 2 builds the case for him being town somewhat (also, remember, I didn't know superbia was mafia when I wrote my stuff on Damdred, as he hadn't flipped). But it all depends on whether or not we think superbia actually had a real chance to die that day. Also, I cba checking, but was geript firmly in the lead? or was Vivax right there? We may have to check that.[/quote] I think you're right in that he's mostly been in the background. He's been a question mark for me most of the game. He played a good Day 1 where he drew conclusions (albeit the wrong ones initially, town on ritoky/scum on Dr.H), asked a lot of questions and seemed to be on the hunt for information. On Day 2 he was on the right lynch as well but he hasn't been very impactful, no, and that leaves him in the question mark area. He was the second person to get on Superbia after me when there was no idea if it was going to take off or not. So what? Being wrong on my first target happens all the time. Weren't you on his wagon too? I made a case, I believed in it, geript's non-response made me want to go through with it. Do you doubt that I believed geript was mafia? Or at least he had a good chance of being one? Of course I doubt it, because I think there's a good chance you're scum. I was on the wagon reluctantly because I felt he was a better lynch than Vivax and it looked like Superbia wasn't going to get lynched when I went to bed. On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What have you done this game that hasn't made us frown? Can't argue with that. Guess you're town after all! On January 13 2015 00:34 Palmar wrote: Marv is the big x factor this game. At 2-3 occasions I've basically jumped up "aha, marv must be mafia", but then he keeps being reasonable and I can't convince myself he's 100% mafia. Like he does some weird things, but comes back to sound reasonable again. He reacted almost exactly the way I did to the ritoky claim (ie: we get the counterclaim, we lynch whoever is less believable). The last time I started thinking he might be town was when he posted this: Because it's 100% true, it's a very reasonable post by me, and marv takes it as such. The only sort-of-weird thing is that DP was much quicker to pick up on how amazing that post was than marv, which might mean marv was parroting him, might mean MARV NOT READ SO GOOD TAKE TIME, or maybe he just wasn't around. But yeah, I see no scenario, even if I'm cop checked green that I'm leading a lynch on marv today. I think, by far, the best target is Damdred, and I have to read Vivax and LM. I keep forgetting LM actually exists, which sometimes means people are mafia. I'm curious how you have an opinion on Damdred but not on Lazer, whom Damdred has been talking about ever since Superbia died. | ||
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On January 13 2015 00:51 Palmar wrote: Obviously we're going to disagree on this one. Here's the thing, I am trying to explain what I did when I went for GB. I sort of admit I actually went into his filter, or shortly after reading the first few posts (which I criticized) expecting to find mafia. Then I basically ran into post after post where I actually thought he looked really town. Like I _think_ I am not capable of faking this kind of a 180 mid-filter. Maybe I am, but why bother with the scum-stuff to begin with. Like at this point of the game, he's a vaguely viable lynch target later. Also, just for later days, if you end up lynching me. After I posted my "gb is town" thing, he said something like "the buddying is real", which basically confirms him as town. He is always going to flip town this game. Obviously if you're scum you want as many potential lynch targets as you can which would explain starting with trying to paint him off scummy. Reading through his filter, you figured TownPalmar would not be able to justify scumreading him so you changed your intent to look townie instead. As for GB always being town, that depends. If you're scum, I agree. If you're town however, I can see a scum GB being cheeky and making comments like that. With how often he's done it this game it could definitely be a deliberate strategy. | ||
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On January 13 2015 00:53 Palmar wrote: The reason he's a question mark for you and literally everyone else in the game,is that Damdred hasn't said or done anything of value throughout the game. Asking questions with no intention of followup isn't at all townie. Like Marv said, he's pushed Superbia on D2 and he's been pushing LM ever since. Speaking of which, I'd still like to hear your opinion on LM. I'd also like examples of questions from Damdred that you feel were pointless or without followup. On January 13 2015 00:57 Palmar wrote: Chicken and egg bro. If you decide I'm mafia and then look at my actions through that lens, we're gonna have a bad time. You should first go read my push on geript, responses to it etc, and THEN you should decide if I am mafia because of it. You cannot scumhunt backwards. That's called guessing. I always feel like there's two narratives for every person; a Town narrative and a Scum narrative. If you try hard enough either can fit. The problem is that with your filter and approach to the game I feel a scum narrative is more likely to be the case. I'm trying out both lenses but to confront you with the town narrative for your actions wouldn't really help establish my read on you any better. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:01 Palmar wrote: So you believe that a) I read his filter attentively b) I actually changed my mind And that I'm still mafia? I don't know how to argue with this... I didn't know changing your mind was an exclusively town trait. If so, I'm pretty sure everyone in the game is town and Slam is fucking with us. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote: Palmar do you understand how your play this game hasn't really fitted into either your usual town or mafia frameworks? Marv can you explain exactly how you usually read Palmar? The interactions between you two have been so weird. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:10 Palmar wrote: I need to read LM's filter. The examples of Damdred's weird questions were in my big post on him. Do you really need me to dig it up for you? If they're in your case on him I guess I'll reread it myself. God damn, the effort you require of me is enormous. Well fine, as long as you actually accept my answers and reconsider if now maybe the town narrative fits. | ||
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If they're in your case on him I guess I'll reread it myself. God damn, the effort you require of me is enormous. | ||
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On January 06 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote: Because of this post, if super is mafia, you are too. Also I'm honestly going to just chill. There is literally no one being not bad in this town at the moment. Everyone has either lynched townies, or failed to push alternative lynches. This means mafia has no idea whom to shoot tonight, because the doc save is guaranteed. So I guess I'll just see who they shoot, and figure the game out tomorrow. I may start reading tonight, but I'm not going to conclude much for now. Why did you arrive at this conclusion? Damdred is asking a lot of "clarifying" questions, you're right, and that along with his opposite reads on Dr.H and Ritoky does point to scum. However he did hop on the Superbia lynch over two town wagons and did not stray which I feel offsets it a bit. I also like how he's gone after Lazer. However I just decided to go look at an older game. His most recent scumgame according to the database was Fantasy Football 2 and towngame Russian Today. I believe I've heard before that Damdred doesn't engage his scum suspects when he's scum. In this game he has, so I wanted to collaborate that. First thing I notice in his scumgame is this: On October 23 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote: God thank you, I hated rolling scum in the game that just finished. Damdred totes town Joking about being town. The opposite and yet similar to what he did this game. Not sure what it means but it could be significant. In the game, he engages a few of his suspects at the start but then basically only starts conversing with GlowingBear and makes random oneliners here and there. In this game, he looks more engaged with a variety of other people rather than the narrow focus he had in FF. So, Russian Today: On November 28 2014 08:18 Damdred wrote: Hey guys I'm town with great success. I'm finishing up this service at work so I'm going to be catching up on break and posting thoughts Starts the other game with a joke about his alignment as well. Guess it has no significance after all. In Russian today he's a lot more insightful, engages a lot of people in discussion. In the Towngame he also asks a few seemingly silly questions, but that's hard to check since that'd require going through the thread and seeing if it makes sense and I aint got time for that. This game he looks more like Russian Today so I'm going to go with Damdred being town this game. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote: This isn't true Artanis. Damdreds play in this game fits his scum meta. He is asking questions without clear intentions. His thoughts aren't well exposed in the thread. He just asks questions and let those answers drown in the thread. I read him more as null because he did things that looked townie, although I don't remember exactly what they were. There was a post of him that he asked people to give thoughts on when he got ignored, which I thought was townie. Reading through his filter in the Russian Today game he looked like he had a bunch of random questions without much purpose either. They seem to be rhetorical rather than clarifying in nature though. A few examples: On November 30 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote: So my scum team is all the people who swiched to gb at the last minute? On November 30 2014 03:29 Damdred wrote: I had more than one scum read and you made a general statement so you say you are just making these statements from OMGUS? Hm. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:43 Palmar wrote: I don't think anyone thinks you're mafia bro. Actually, Vivax does. You could read his last few pages but you might need eye protection. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:46 GlowingBear wrote: The thing is that he doesn't do anything with those questions. There is a pattern on damdreds play which is clearly trying to solve the game. He gathers information and post a long post trying to solve it. I don't see it here. Specially late game, I don't think he is one to be so passive like he is now. The problem with Damdred being scum is that it'd probably mean that Lazer is town and I find that a really difficult world to imagine. Also, Palmar, why is Chez in your potential scum candidates? Did you miss this? On January 12 2015 09:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: DP check these posts by Chyz, two of the last posts he made before ragequitting the game. + Show Spoiler + On January 02 2015 07:45 TheChyz wrote: Ok I'm back and refreshed a bit cause I think I was getting too emotionally invested for my own health. Anyways I still think we should lynch laser over geript. If anything we can just have geript lynched day 2 if he still continues to play the way he is, but it really seems like it is more out of not being too invested in the game. I still think geript is scummy but not as much as laser. So first he says it is scum mentality for doing all of this and then proceeds to say that what I did is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE and that the real problem is my motive? Unless you know what my motive is that is a HUGE jump to conclusions off of my first post. During this time in the thread people liked jumping on me and as such laser seems to be trying to find different angles to attack me from. More on this jumping onto the hype train later on. So this is super wishy washy to me. Not really attacking anybody or defending anybody (which is ok) but literally it sounds like im just reading a synopsis of what happened in the thread. Seems like someone not having reads but making some in order to look pro town (yes u can say im hypocrite, but I think i have given a few okish cases, kk?). Hmm, seems contradictory to a something a few posts ago. Really looks like trying not to give a real read and offer little to the town. Same complaint that people use on me can be applied here. Says something, but has no point other than having something to make it seem like he is contributing to town. Like i've said before, this is reading super "I'm sorry for doing what I did yesterday, forget about it and I will be town today. Lets lynch scum. GO TEAM GO". BLEH, try to hide more? So this is pretty interesting. Seems like he is trying to push koshi a little but still not commiting. I don't have anything to add other than laser described himself perfectly in his 3rd point about koshi. Next immediately he forgets about koshi and goes onto geript. The only time before that he talked about geript is that he is slightly towny to him. So from going to leaning towny to super fine with lynching is a pretty big jump and his points he brings up don't merit that much of a jump. So what happened is koshi stuff died off a bit and then geript train was just starting. This would be a great vote for him if geript gets lynched because he was one of the first few but not the lynch starter so it seems like hes just trying to put himself in a good position if geript gets lynched. "I looked at him, not lynch worthy, but lynch tmrw is ok". Seems like he is trying to give rikoty a free pass to live another day...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also following the general town wagon because rikoty not doing so hot so this gets him + town points. So he drops his accusation on me (remember, at this point only dr.H was on my ass, everybody was mostly like, meh about me). Again super bandwagony. And up to this point his only real reads that I have seen that aren't rehashed stuff is a little on koshi (which also applies to him) so basically garbage. So from going from, "I'm not lynching till day 2 cause marv is a strong player and I don't have a read on him or is playing bad" into, "well people are talking about marv, might aswell seem interested now". And finally after getting his points for being suspicious of marv he goes back to saying that geript is the best lynch so far. Again this is all unoriginal and is just following w/e the thread seems to be heading towards. I have not seen him give a good reason why he thinks geript is scummy and he just follows the threads flow. Not doing any scum hunting and when does they are pretty weak cases. Always seems to agree with the general tone of the thread and never has anything useful to add. Just lurking on through while still pretending to be "active". Overall I think he is a better lynch the geript and I think people should at least look more indepth on him. Also I have a feeling the ritoky and him are buddied scum. Sorry for long post, I know how you guys hate it but I really think laser is the best lynch today. On January 02 2015 08:47 TheChyz wrote: ya im done, this game has been such a mispleasure to play. Thanks dr.H, great game played by you. Best town player by far. You caught the scum. Here are my current notes btw. koshi - too good at defending me and making no other good reads. hasnt really contributed anything to town. scummy glowingbear - nada, not good sign geript - null to scum. Started fine but I expected more. Not leading town like I remember. Kinda just lurking but still in thread. Still nothing really. Expected more and his scum read on keslier is wtf? Scummy Artanis[XP] - somegood reads, some terrible ones. still making them and pushing them alright imo. towny. lazermonkey - bandwagoned onto me. made garbage about other people. need actual reads and not garbage at this point in the game. Tries to apologize, every post he makes makes him seem worse and worse. Tries to cover up his tracks. scummy marvellositty - apparently this great player but nada? something doesn't feel right. but terrible start can be excuse? slightly scummy justanothertownie - bothers me with some posts but I can kinda feel his train of thought. leaning townny Iamrobik - doesn't do anything but still in thread? weird. lazy. scummy theChyz - SUPER TOWN palmar - Keeps thread in good direction. If anything only look at day 3 since anything helping town (even if in wrong direction) is not worth a thought of lynching. town damdred - nothing jumps out, feels way too much of doing nothing for my taste, null to slightly scummy batsnacks - kinda weird play. posts sometimes good info, and then shit later. null sicklucker - I don't really like any of his reads hes making and they all seem kinda out in left field. scummy-ish vivax - don't like atm, not enough but just his posts are pretty off. scummy but weak at best kelsierSC - seems to be steering the town whenever he talks, pretty clear train of thought. slightly town. I like him more now, just seems to keep towny vibe. town ritoky - garbage opener, nothing since. garbage large post for no reason and terrible reads. scum Dr.H - rode me hard but kinda like how I did when town. Town. Big d bag tho. Eden1892 - nothing really sticks out too much, need to read closer, null. Also kinda just lurking around but does bring up good points every so ofter, towny. RebirthOfLegend - nada, not good sign Superbia - nada, not good sign scum list if I had to pick: -lazermonkey -ritoky -geript -koshi -a lurker/sicklucker/damdred ##Vote: TheChyz Do you find it reasonable to believe that a scumplayer would actually ragequit like this? The slot is pretty much confirmed town imo. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:50 marvellosity wrote: confirmed town is really a stretch. more townie than mafia on probabilities, definitely. On January 13 2015 01:51 Palmar wrote: It's unlikely, and I think I even defended him on day 1. But it's been a long time since day 1. I can't say with any sort of conviction he's town. Chez replaced into the slot though, and you know what to expect from Chez which makes developing that read pretty tough. I don't feel like time elapsing has any bearing on the initial read. I have a really hard time seeing Chyz be scum from those two posts though. | ||
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On January 13 2015 02:13 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi. This is a terrible argument. If I was scum, what motive does scum have for casting doubt on you? I mean, they would know you were lying but they are obviously not going to go into the thread saying "hey, SL is lying about being cop because Lazer is scum with us". I can see an impulsive response happening there. You figure someone isn't the real cop so you feel you can still go after them whereas a townie would be more likely to take pause. On January 13 2015 02:34 sicklucker wrote: All the confirmed towns did the right thing and didnt bring it up. While 2/3 people who were actively against me being the cop are dead mafia. You see a pattern? Actually this makes it more likely that Lazer is town to me. Would 3 scum really pile up on a fakeclaim like that? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vWXlLdp.gif) Damdred why have you asked so many seemingly useless questions today? Palmar quoted a few; could you tell us their purpose? On January 13 2015 04:24 Lazermonkey wrote: Not really sure. I really think GB is the best lynch today. Palmar would probably be my second bet. Being on all the wrong wagons, not having a very impressive play overall. Unsure about the last one but if I'd had to guess it would be either marv or kel. Kel because of his interaction with ritoky and superbia. Marv because his play has been quite unimpressive this far + he is still alive. But TBH I haven't read marv yet so I'm still relativly unsure about this. Alot of this also comes down to PoE. I think you, Vivax, and Chyz are very very unlikely to be scum. SL and Artanis are also unlikely to be scum. This narrows down my list of possible scum quite a bit. I actually really like this list and it's making me come around on Lazer. Palmar/Kel/Marv aren't exactly the easiest targets to come around and I share about all the townreads. On January 13 2015 04:44 Vivax wrote: I would totes lynch marv today after reading what DP posted on him in the night. The excuse is that marv is apparently trying to apply a less shouty townplay so he doesn't get caught as easily in future town games. I wouldn't be surprised if DP got killed for saying that. Like, town marv is usually the guy who sits in the thread, with a clear picture of his reads, and then he will reach out to everyone in the thread in order to get his scumreads lynched. Anyone who disagrees with him is subject under scrutiny, and if you call him mafia and he's town he'll insult you. Ooor DP got killed because he was a greenchecked vet that literally no one scumread and would never get lynched. I can't see Marv being scum without Palmar though because they're supposed to have good reads on eachother and they seem to be on similar wavelengths this game. Also the problem with Marv being scum is a 31 page filter. When's the last time you've seen Marv have a 31 page filter as scum? On January 13 2015 05:10 Vivax wrote: Maybe you forgot to switch modes between alignment and name for a moment, and instead only wrote the alignment for the corresponding name. Something like that. Why ask the question if you're just going to give him an out like that?! On January 13 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote: Palmar, would you lynch marv? Palmar, would you lynch Artanis? LM, would you lynch marv? LM, would you lynch Palmar? Artanis, would you lynch marv? Damdred, would you lynch marv? Have you read the game? Palmar has said I'm a townread and he's waffling on Marv. I'm not sure. Not right now. I'm waffling on LM like a mofo. I think I'm thinking between Palmar and GB now. Maybe Damdred. | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:11 Damdred wrote: @Artanis early questions help me understand people's views and thoughts. It helps me but can seem meh, I take heat all the time for that. I don't think I've asked pointless questions today however. Actually I was going to say that it doesn't conform with your town meta but I didn't really see it in your scum meta either so I'll drop it. | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:17 Palmar wrote: Like is there a chance the mafia team is damdred/ksc/marv? It's definitely possible. | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:20 Lazermonkey wrote: I why is damdred scum? His push on superbia looks really townie to me. He hasn't really had a strong presence in this game. Lazer you had me as potential scum earlier but now you think I'm likely town. What changed your perception of me? I'm also curious on Palmar what in the JAT post made him consider me town as well. | ||
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I don't think it's the case, but I don't have a confirmed townread on any of you three. KSC used to be there but he's fallen off the edge of the earth. | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:31 marvellosity wrote: then you're being a little disingenuous with "it's definitely possible", aren't you A 0.1% chance is definitely possible too though. But it's probably a bit bigger than that. Don't ask me to put a percentage to it. | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:34 marvellosity wrote: any mafia grouping is "definitely possible" then. well whatever. False, any mafia team with me in it is 100% impossible. | ||
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On January 13 2015 06:49 Palmar wrote: Because it looked like you really wanted to lynch Superbia even with the joking framework. Like exactly the opposite of what a bus would (probably) look like. Basically if Superbia gets lynched and this is your vote post, you can claim very little credit compared to if you made a case you already knew was right. You could make the argument that due to my post barely being about Superbia itself, the push didn't have much weight and thus wouldn't contribute to actually getting him lynched. I find it weird you townread me on this. | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote: He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote: Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote: I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. | ||
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On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote: 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote: Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative? | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:30 Damdred wrote: Can mafia look towny and make good points? If [alignment unknown] that we believe is mafia makes good points, should we not re-evaluate them? | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:28 Chezinu wrote: 14; Vivax - just say hi ... plz? 2; GlowingBear - easy for mafia to paint scum 5; Lazermonkey - Have you ever been town before? 6; Marvellosity - demands colors 11; Damdred - Who are you? 9; TheChez - totes the bank 4; Artanis[Xp] - bestest friend cause he said hey 10; Palmar - PAAAALMMARR!!!! 15; KelsierSC - stays alive cause what he did to super! 13; sicklucker - Well, he decided to jump on friend wagon.. so you can live for now. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0L1KPmc.gif) What did Kelsier do to Super? Please refresh my memory Chezfriend. | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:44 Damdred wrote: Of course we should re-evaluate them every day. Which is why i said i'm shaky on LM right now, but in my mind I still have him as mafia. And sadly palmar went away after i answered him and we got on this stream It's just that I don't see your re-evaluation of LM in the thread. I don't see you engaging him. You've asked him one question since he's started to act, as you say it, better. | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote: One way I re-evaluate people is when i'm here to ask questions such as reads, reads are harder to fake as mafia than as town. I can see his intent and work from here. Read his filter see if earlier stuff lines up with later suff, see if if still read things the same way etc., re-evaluating players just isn't interacting with them necessarily. So from this I take it you've gone through Lazer's filter again recently and came to the conclusion you still feel he's scum? | ||
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On January 13 2015 10:09 Chezinu wrote: WOW ARTANIS YOUR AMAZING!!! I TOTES DIDN'T read any of KelsierSC's posts cause lazy. So, I made that super thing up. But now that I reads ~3 pages of his filter.... wow! Just WOW!!!! KelsierSC cannot hide his anger toward his teammates or the host. LOOKIES! Chez, please walk me through this. You suggest that Damdred and Kelsier are a team, and that Kelsier has been mad at his teammates (Ritoky, Superbia, you've also implied Vivax) and the host, yet name no examples of Damdred other than Kelsier finding a Dam + Superbia team unlikely. Can you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion? | ||
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On January 13 2015 21:13 marvellosity wrote: I think GB is mafia. I find it so hard to believe a player like him would be disaffected with the game like he has been this game, he should be in his absolute element. not going to push this one until at the least i've been through LM though. How come you've been putting this off for so long? | ||
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On January 14 2015 00:57 Vivax wrote: In the titanic game I linked Palmar was a lot more pushy and aggressive as scum, then again he was cornered from the start thanks to two incompetent teammates, can't remember who. I don't know why I have to laugh at this for 2 minutes straight, probably cause I believe it myself. Went back to the post where I was thinking that and it just makes me more confused cause it reminds me how much I'd love nukes to be in this game. Stuff that just removes players from the game in batches. Anyway I'm obviously not as confident any more, mostly ignoring that possibility for simplicitys sake. I'd much rather hear if you think Kelsier is scum rather than answering why I think he's town, unless you think we're scum together but then just explain why one of us is scum and why he has to die today. I think you're practically confirmed on filter size and effort alone, so no I don't think you're scum. You went through Kelsier's filter already so I was hoping you could tell me memorable things about him because I don't remember anything about him and I was hoping you could spare me having to go through his filter. | ||
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Okay, I'm ready. I also added cinema 3D glasses up front for the double protection. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YiW5pmK.jpg) | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:20 Vivax wrote: Is that a Swedish flag in the background Artanis It's the flag of my province, Gelderland, or Guelders in english. I wasn't aware the Swedish flag had a black stripe at the bottom. | ||
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I'll also check the Kelsier thing. | ||
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Reading through D2 a bit I noticed Kelsier asked me if I'd be around in 3 hours from now and then never got back to that even though he got back. Kinda bothers me. However I also dismissed this at first On January 04 2015 03:32 KelsierSC wrote: Also people are completely glossing over how perfectly the night kills incriminate Viv But he might've been on to something there. Then there was this weird thing where he additionally scumread Geript for not voting on Bats which was pretty bizarre. He did also have a townread on Robik from the start which given Robik's play is questionable. Robik himself said he was more suspicious of people townreading him than scumreading him in the start because he intentionally played poorly. Then again he did try to switch to Superbia, but looking at the votecount it wouldn't have made any difference. I'm not as sure about him as you are from reading the D2 interactions, but I guess the situation will resolve itself. He'll either come back or be removed from the game. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:29 Vivax wrote: Very early D1, from the point on marv scumreads ritoky. Also he doesn't bring that point up again, just asks Damdred slightly later why he doesn't scumread ritoky and doesn't pick up on his reply, and basically after the ritoky read he reappears in a list that was based on PoE according to marv. In my totally unbiased opinion it looks to me like he was aware more than others at the time that the push on DrH looked terrible, he posted it, then started diluting that suspicion by finding other people to jump on so at least he had a reason to not push his scumbuddy D1. I just went back and I share your concerns, though I do remember that Day1 was NYE and the day after so Marv probably wasn't up to his usual standard. He did vote Ritoky from the start and tried a little to get him lynched but it wasn't what we'd expect from Marv. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote: You look Turkish, Artanis. That's probably the lighting. Is there any reason we shouldn't lynch you today GB? | ||
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On January 14 2015 00:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, Marv, why did you unvote Palmar? What vindicated him to you to the point that you don't want to lynch him today? | ||
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How does relieving pressure from Palmar help us find scum today? | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote: yw. you've not had to deal with a mad vivax and you seem no closer yourself, so how is asking me that question helping you find scum today? see i can do it too. Had the answer been enlightening, it might've provided me with an additional reason to read you as townie. As it stands I don't really see a reason for the unvote other than you both being scum and as such you don't want the lynch to end up on Palmar today. | ||
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Any reason that doesn't require us to have perfect information? | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:56 marvellosity wrote: you've repeatedly banged the (correct) filter size argument for me. If the answer to that question was what you require to additionally read me as town, you're doin the game wrong. The problem here is that a lot of people have a big filter. The game is 388 pages long. Although I consider it a strong reason to make you town, there's a bunch of things that make me doubt. The interactions between you and Palmar feel so unproductive, for example. You two have so much history together that I'd imagine if you were both town you'd have townreads on each other by this point. Similarly, if one of you was scum and the other was town (though I consider this more of a stretch) I'd expect the suspicions to be much more grounded. It feels like you're kind of avoiding reading each other much like a syllogism/sandroba scum couple would. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:04 marvellosity wrote: if I were scum with Palmar I'd know he wouldn't give a good defence, and I wouldn't set him up in a grand fashion to have to do it either. Get a grip. Presuming you'd both be scum you could both expect him to be motivated to set up a great scumgame. Palmar might've believed it himself, then ended up not having as much motivation as he thought he would. The interactions ended up not looking as good as you were hoping for and the plan fell apart. It's really not that hard to imagine. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:06 marvellosity wrote: ok dear. Go and join Vivax in the crazy corner like a good boy. That's okay. I like the company of townies more anyway. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:08 marvellosity wrote: like there is nothing I can say to reasonably deconstruct a conspiracy theory. that's the nature of a conspiracy theory. Actually, there's plenty you could do. I already figured a counterargument to my point: Why would I (you) expect Palmar to step it up and become more active when he has been thoroughly demotivated throughout the game? You're welcome. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:10 Artanis[Xp] (the better marvellosity) wrote: Why would I (you) expect Palmar to step it up and become more active when he has been thoroughly demotivated throughout the game? That's a good point. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:12 Artanis[Xp] (the better marvellosity) wrote: So are you dropping the point on Marv? I dunno. I think I still need to think about it a bit more. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:19 Palmar wrote: We've basically made a pact that if you're mafia you win the game. Also, I'm trying to yolo lynch marv. Terrorists are after me. I'll email you some hot water from geysers. Can I PM slam and cash in on the pact? Why are you yolo lynching marv? Who are the terrorists? This is an acceptable bribe. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:27 Palmar wrote: ok so we kill marv? 36 page filter doe. | ||
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Metal Mini Mafia - 3 page filter Showdown Mafia - 2 page filter Shadow Mini Mafia, where he basically went to the brink on what he can do - 23 page filter in 10 days -> 2.3 page per day. This game, 36 page filter in 14 days -> 2.6 page per day. It's possible, but he'd have to be in even more tryhard mode than during Shadow which was one of the most hyped up games in recent times as it was an invite game. He hasn't tried as mafia since and he just rolled mafia last game. It's hard to imagine he could charge himself up for this. Possible, but hard. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:38 Palmar wrote: The other two games you cited is where I lynched him day 1 I don't even know how to respond to this. Why do you think he got lynched Day 1 there? Because he had no motivation to live. That's clearly different here. | ||
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On January 14 2015 07:58 Lazermonkey wrote: So noone wants to kill GB then??? I'm up for the idea but I need to read more critically and I just came off a 3 hour philosophy session so my brain is tired. | ||
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Your suspicions, they are who? Your masses of quotes have been confusing And even though you have been very bemusing I require help to solve the game If you do not, we only have ourselves to blame | ||
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On January 14 2015 08:03 KelsierSC wrote: @artanis who is the mafia team with gb I can't work that ouy I dunno, there's a lot of uncleared people. The only ones I'm quite sure of that aren't scum are Vivax, Sicklucker and Chezinu. Anyone else is possible. The only combo that I really can't see with GB is Damdred. I also can't really see LM with Damdred, which makes Damdred unlikely to be scum. | ||
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On January 14 2015 08:08 Lazermonkey wrote: Now, as to why I flipped from Palmar being my second scum read to marv being my second scum read. It was based on partly his interactions with Palmar but also how he seems to refuse to actually push scum. His GB read is a prime example of this. Its clear by reading his filter that GB is his (top?) scum read right now. But instead of trying to kill GB, he comes in and insults everyone. This troubles me about Marv too. He's just defending himself rather than pushing his top suspect. | ||
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On January 14 2015 08:12 Palmar wrote: I'm basically leaving now. it's 11 pm and I have to wake up at 7 tomorrow. Can you run down your most important points one more time before going to bed? | ||
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I thought Palmar went to bed. | ||
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That's actually not too farfetched tbh. Maybe we should lynch him just in case Slam did. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:35 Palmar wrote: okay, Jesus told me to lynch LM This is final. good night ## vote Lazermonkey It actually worries me how many people are suddenly willing to vote LM. | ||
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Chart is irrelevant. Vivax is town. I wish it were different. | ||
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35 page filter and he has reads you just can't make up as scum. You just can't. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:38 KelsierSC wrote: So what is your town and mafia artanis? I know you are confused but I want to know who you feel good/bad about This is the list of people we're not lynching this game: Me Vivax Chezinu SL Damdred if one of GB/LM flips scum. LM if Damdred flips scum This is the list of people I'm questioning: Damdred if GB/LM don't flip scum (but at that point we've lost so probably before that) Palmar Marvellosity KelsierSC LM GB I think I want to lynch GB the most out of the list right now just because of how easily the bandwagon on LM formed as soon as he went offline. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:51 sicklucker wrote: You know we can just lynch both (and I probably will) if we hit on both gb and Lm. If you think vivax is town how are gb and lm ever town in this game? One could be town if two of Kelsier/Palmar/Marv are scum. | ||
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On January 14 2015 10:56 KelsierSC wrote: Artanis what does your heart tell you right now I think out of the suspects I've named you're the least likely to be scum as the main reason for scumreading you is your disappearance and a few minor things throughout the game. It's also a bit of PoE. I know I don't want to lynch Marv today because 36 page filter and he cares about not getting lynched which he hasn't in his last few games. I know I don't want to lynch Damdred today because he doesn't make sense to be scum with two of my other suspects and there's things I've pointed out before. He was also quite persistent in our argument about his LM read changing in strength. It was an annoying but ultimately acceptable defense. Reasons I want to lynch Palmar have been scattered throughout the thread. Main reasons are I can think of a fair scum narrative for his play and the town narrative is more difficult to understand. His play has been erratic; not good and not bad, which exactly fits his scum meta. He's also been busy with lists rather than making keen observations, which he's only done a few times (and occasionally rescinded). Palmar also made this case on GB that smelled like someone whom had an initial idea for a case but couldn't find enough evidence to support what he wanted to, so he modified it over something that was actually quite trivial. What makes me doubt is that somewhere there's a feel of genuineness in his play and all the mentions about postgame give me the feeling he would actually laugh at me in the postgame and that would make me sad. However, post-game mockery shouldn't be an argument. Reasons I want to lynch GB are, amongst other things that I feel his reasoning has been mostly shallow. Does lots of things on feelings which are easy to fake as they don't require an explanation. He didn't have opinions on the biggest wagons on D2, plus he defended Superbia. Then there was the thing where he claimed if SL was town everyone on Batsnacks was probably town when he still suspected me, which brings me to the point that it feels like he's had too much information. He seemed to know Geript was town when no one did. He seemed to know I was town despite suspecting me. It's troubling. Point in his favour is the case Palmar made on him which also felt like a case of TMI. Should Palmar flip scum, I'd expect GB to be town. Doubly so now that GB has voted for him. LM, well, there's plenty to go around. I'm just going to go and quote Damdred's case. On January 09 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote: I think Lazer is scum, here is my case repeated on him Day 1 he is guilty of the same things he goes hard after chy because of thread sentiment. He moves his target around using thread sentimen He misrepresents things constantly in the thread and back tracks constantly D2 he hard defends a push to lynch Superbia (known mafia now) He states d3 that he thinks ritoky is the cop and won't lycn an un cc'd cop but his vote is on him anyway He states during the day that Super looks bad but shouldn't be the lynch. Right before he leaves he parks his vote on Superbia, with his main scum read whos been vocal about wanting a super bia lynch. I think his vote looks more like a bus and hes mafia to me. He has stepped it up in the past two days, but then instead of voting for his main scumread, GB, he parked his vote on Marv. Problem with his lynch is that lots of unconfirmeds are voting him. So out of all this, I think my preferred lynch is still Palmar. Feel free to debate it though. | ||
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Throughout the game he's been waffling hardcore on Marvellosity. It wasn't until he was on the lynching block, and then even only on the second day that he truly went after Marv after a series of weird interactions. Suddenly, he decided Marv was scum when he was still undecided the day before and nothing had happened in between. His cases on both GB and Damdred fit into the lazy 5-7 score play that Mafia Palmar usually goes for. He figured he made his point, decided upon an alignment and called it a day without looking further. I think it's likely that a town Palmar would put in more effort to discern people's alignments than that. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:22 GlowingBear wrote: Art, I can understand him parking his vote on marv as I've already explained. His wagon was easily formed and from that wagon, I HATED how KSC easily jumped on it. I can't see why Palmar, who said he would lynch damdred, refuses to do so, and parks his vote on LM, WITH MARV, HIS MAIN SCUMREAD, AGAIN (he voted with marv day3). Does it make sense to you? Like, in the risk of being lynched, he decides to NOT VOTE ONE OF HIS SCUMREADS (Damdred) but votes someone he didn't even had a read (LM) with his MAIN SCUMREAD? I can see a scum Palmar and Damdred team for sure. Their relationship has been odd at best. Palmar's had a lot of odd relationships this game. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:27 Damdred wrote: But would mafia!Palmar sit back when hes up for lynch and can get Damdred out and go ok, maybe we can work together. And ask me for reads, and decide not to go for me? Would he re-evaluate like that? If you're scum with him, yes. If you're town, it seems the lynch on you never really took off. Even if he jumped on you, there were a few other people reading him town. If Palmar is scum and you're town the people who called you town are probably town too as that would motivate him not to try and risk exposing his team. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:30 Vivax wrote: Artanis, I'd lynch GB before I lynch Palmar at this point. Although the information argument would be tempting, but I prefer to sheep DP than lynch a guy for information. I think Palmar is a better case than GB. I also don't think Palmar and GB can be scum together. What don't you like about my case? What do you disagree with? | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:35 Vivax wrote: That Palmar actually tried this hard and sacrificed two or three hours of his sleep to get his points across. A scum just posts his wifomy shit and goes to be thinking "W/e I still got two teammates". Unless he really needed 3 hours to plant a lot of wifom, but I doubt it. Also that his reads coincided with mine for a good part. I think that's a good point, but the flip scum side to it is that this game has clearly been at least a decent game for scum with lots of effort put into it. I don't think anyone is under 15 pages at this point. Even a scum Palmar would feel some obligation to try his damnest, and he was feeling the heat when he was going to bed. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:42 Damdred wrote: ....to survive? Town should think that they are important to the game and that they need to survive to find and kill mafia. Its not just a scum trait you know I don't buy that. Had Palmar stayed on Marv, he could've forced the situation in which town has to pick between him and Marv. Instead, he adds a third party to the fray. An easy target that already went to bed and won't resist as much as his main suspect. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:45 Damdred wrote: I don't buy this Palmar was more of a lynch risk and the way LM switched his vote to Marv looked really scummy. Plus isn't Marv asleep around deadline anyway so part of your argument is invalid i think Marv hadn't announced he was going to bed, LM did. Palmar also basically said not to trust his read except on that Marv was uncertain in the end, which suggests that he still feels more sure on Marv than LM, yet his vote is with Marv on LM. It doesn't make sense. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:48 Vivax wrote: SL JUST CLAIMED SCUM. FUCKING VOTE HIM Damn, you're right ##Vote Sicklucker | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5O6GumI.gif) Go on town, onto Plumber you go. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:54 sicklucker wrote: Artanis are you sure vivax is town? like really really sure? Because when you die tonight I cant promise I wont kill him as of now. So tonight we should have a talk about this If you lynch him this game you are bad. Please don't be bad, it would make me sad. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Go on town, onto Plumber you go. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:59 Vivax wrote: Damdred why are you ignoring the sicklucker stuff. Why is artanis not taking this seriously Because any post you make that isn't about a potential scum is instantly discarded and mocked. If you lynch SL this game you are bad. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:02 Vivax wrote: He also fucking said he was under pressure from KSc questioning him thinking he was cop and himself miller. He fucking said such a thing. This is actually a reasonable point. If he claims he was under pressure, even if he wasn't that means he felt he was under pressure. I guess it's possible. I'm going to be angry if I actually have to consider this though. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:06 GlowingBear wrote: We can consider it after Palmar's lynch, though. Few time to evaluate SL now and SL is one of the Palmar's lynch supporter. Palmar needs to flip. Agreed. The lynch continues. | ||
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Probably true but there is a little bit of merit in what Vivax says. I haven't looked into you ever since the fake cop claim and even though I doubt you're scum his point deserves some attention tomorrow. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:15 Vivax wrote: Like I'm literally voting for my townread here to get my scumread lynched tomorrow. If DP is reading this he already punched holes into his wall. You will see the light in 2 hours. It is known. Or at least I hope so. It would be quite embarassing if not. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:16 Damdred wrote: I'm about to go in shower but ues What is your current proposed scumteam? Does it include anyone currently on LM? | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:19 sicklucker wrote: I havent really settled on palmer btw. you sure we cant kill gb? Its like either dandred is mafia or lm and gb are mafia. I dont think thats a particularly hard decision I think I've given plenty of reasons to lynch Palmar. I don't have as many reasons not to lynch him other than feels. The same is not true for gb (Palmar's case that smelled of TMI) and lm (buncha scummy folks voting for him) | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:19 Damdred wrote: Right now I don't have a full scum team Palmar threw that on its head, I have to find the third shortly. I think lm GB Do you believe I'm Town? Do you like a warm shed and lots of acres of grass to graze upon freely at your leisure? Consider becoming a sheep on my farm. I assure you, it's most rewarding. | ||
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Reasons I want to lynch Palmar have been scattered throughout the thread. Main reasons are I can think of a fair scum narrative for his play and the town narrative is more difficult to understand. His play has been erratic; not good and not bad, which exactly fits his scum meta. He's also been busy with lists rather than making keen observations, which he's only done a few times (and occasionally rescinded). Palmar also made this case on GB that smelled like someone whom had an initial idea for a case but couldn't find enough evidence to support what he wanted to, so he modified it over something that was actually quite trivial. I forgot two more points on Palmar: Throughout the game he's been waffling hardcore on Marvellosity. It wasn't until he was on the lynching block, and then even only on the second day that he truly went after Marv after a series of weird interactions. Suddenly, he decided Marv was scum when he was still undecided the day before and nothing had happened in between. His cases on both GB and Damdred fit into the lazy 5-7 score play that Mafia Palmar usually goes for. He figured he made his point, decided upon an alignment and called it a day without looking further. I think it's likely that a town Palmar would put in more effort to discern people's alignments than that. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:27 Vivax wrote: Maybe marv and Palmar are scum together and we witnessed some pro distancing before marv started a counterwagon on LM, could explain some of the shit that happened earlier and that actually made me suspicious of Palmar before his latest performance. Just sheep Artanis, he's trustworthy. I've actually thought of this before. It's in my filter. Their interactions do look odd, particularly on the first 24 hours of this day phase. Regardless, due to filter size and current votes Palmar dies first. On January 14 2015 12:28 sicklucker wrote: No I unvoted so its 4-3 for Lm and if I revote palmer he losses the tiebreak so I just made my vote useless lol. You still need to vote for Plumber so that Chez or Damdred can break the tie. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:30 Damdred wrote: Yes I think your town art, but I don't think I should sheep onto a town read... I don't like being on a fully afk wagon though gives me the jitters Read my cases on Palmar again and try to explain all of it from a town perspective, then try again from a scum perspective. Also revisit his filter. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:33 Damdred wrote: I'll think on it and read. However in the mean time art, that was some shady shit SL just did We'll consider SL the next day. There's too much info to revisit for that. | ||
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On January 14 2015 12:42 sicklucker wrote: Actually screw this I want lm dead as of now so why dont I hammer him? Then we can kill my second/third choice tomorrow (palmer) because the brain dead towns will all think im with him so I get both the kills I want. Gonna read lms filter once more before I decide to send him to hell. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/41ocWAx.gif) | ||
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You underestimate my godly powers. | ||
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On January 14 2015 13:47 Chezinu wrote: Making choose between a Palmar, a dear friend, and LM, who I never knew as a town. I am afraid that your friend has deceived you. He is not of green like you or me. | ||
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Oh Chezinu, my dearest friend Your hair is beautiful I must complement But this game we need to win For that, Plumber must go in the bin. | ||
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Artanis and Vivax are scum Marvellosity is clear town It would be such a shame if we wouldn't have confirmed town Marvellosity here tomorrow. | ||
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On January 14 2015 11:51 Vivax wrote:  I don't share the same enthusiasm as Vivax but he did change his reasoning for claiming within 15 minutes. | ||
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Wouldn't it just make sense that ritoky made a play to try and save Superbia? | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote: this doesn't make sense either because superbia never did anything to save himself That's entirely false, he had a very convincing martyr at the end of his life. | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:49 Damdred wrote: Thats weird all of my time stamps in the vote thread are showing up after he claimed in that post for me? I'm probably just dumb ignore that then Quotes appear in the Korean timezone whereas they show in your local timezone when you just view them in the thread. It can be quite confusing. | ||
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On January 14 2015 23:50 Damdred wrote: No he didn't he wasted his vote on someone? You need to update your sarcasm detector. | ||
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Vivax I want you to throw everything SL-related at me to take a look into. I'll actually read it this time. | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: artanis do you not realize dandred hammered to save lm right? Like this really happened? I know you want to take credit for persuading him but it was his choice. My actions were just mafias blatant excuse. If I recall correctly you were on Palmar too. Why is Damdred scum for it but you're not? | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:47 sicklucker wrote: Because Lm was his stronger scum read all game. Palmer was my stronger scum read Okay that's fair. | ||
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On January 15 2015 07:58 Damdred wrote: Art, do you believe what SL did around lynch time was towny in any way? Even the way hes going about this night phase do you see a towny trying to confirm himself town by doing what hes doing, and throwing dirt. Saying someone is town 100% in another then turn around instantly say we must lynch them? I dunno. I still need to look over it again with fresh eyes, but I was just commenting on the point I made initially. | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:43 Vivax wrote: Thought that too but I think he's wrong on Dam If we eliminate Dam I'm left with Marv/Kelsier/LM/maybe SL. I guess I need to stop procrastinating from that SL stuff. Here we go. | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:47 Vivax wrote: Welcome to the club. So let's club them. Question: Did you see marv try to solve the game with the new information tonight? He seems to have a clear suspicion of LM which he's not been pushing much yet. It is troubling. | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:51 Vivax wrote: Oh jeez nevermind. I totally misinterpreted that I was wondering if I missed something. | ||
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On January 14 2015 14:26 Damdred wrote: See you can't even see anything we are saying, you are overly defensive at this point. you call me confirmed town and echo robs thoughts until thread changes and you discard half of them and cling to still trying to confirm people as town. I honestly think you've played a great scum game AND going through Marvs filter I found a ritoky quote. Theory time, ritoky was ok with SLs cllaim at the time even said that it takes SL off the lynch table. I have to dig more to see what ritoky did with it afterwards, but if rit plays the cop card the next day... Why didn't he do it then when SL a much easier person was up that he could of potentially mislynched if SL was town? Instead gives the claim credit at this point and then claims the next day? Damdred explain this to me like I'm 4. I think I've asked this before but my memory is shit. Kelsier softs cop, SL fakeclaims, Kelsier rescinds, mafia doesn't counterclaim anywhere. Mafia (ritoky) fakeclaims, robik (real cop) CCs. This makes SL scum how? | ||
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On January 15 2015 08:57 Vivax wrote: Artanis, wanna hear a new theory before I do that? I'll need to get my sunglasses again. | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:00 Vivax wrote: Cause ritoky didn't try to lynch SL for what he did, and instead cleared him. Not an argument I would use however. Ah okay. Kinda weak point since ritoky did decide not to believe him. This reminds me though of SL's claimed greencheck on LM that caused two flipped scum and LM himself to riot. I almost forgot about that. | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:03 Damdred wrote: This theory I think doesn't make SL scum as its a narrative in retrospect, and i was reading timestamps wrong becuase i'm an idiot and was taking both as an effort to get the real cop Out. Its still a possibility because of ritokys attack after SL rescended instead of when he first claimed. But I can't substantiate this theory anymore Ah right, that thing. | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:04 Damdred wrote: Actually the bolded is untrue, ritoky didn't attack sl until after d3 started I believe. So it was well after sl took it back That actually makes me consider LM a bit more because I felt it was unlikely 3 scum would all go after LM for the same reason. | ||
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Think of it. ScumSL fakeclaims cop. Town, or Town-1 if LM is town buys it. Two scum go after their own buddy whom was perfectly in the shadows at the time. | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:13 KelsierSC wrote: Where Marv and I vote lm last night and afk? If you all pushed for Palmar you would've been exposed pretty badly. You got quite lucky that I tunneled the shit out of him. | ||
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I'm sorry I ever doubted you. | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:24 KelsierSC wrote: I'm interacting with you, my scum read , ive made it clear I want to lynch lm aswell. I also made the point that you deliberately gave yourself an out to not vote lm by saying to artanis.. "I will sheep you unless you vote who Marv votes for" Makes it likely you and him are mafia I have an easy way to solve this: We start by lynching LM tomorrow and see who blinks. | ||
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On January 15 2015 09:24 Vivax wrote: I think you will die, I'm not as charismatic I'm counting on my wits and charms being too much for the nk. It just won't hit me. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:10 GlowingBear wrote: You guys are basically saying lazermonkey risked having his mafia partner killed instead of voting palmar for survival If it's Lazer/Kelsier/Marv they're all in danger and need to do some sort of bus to gain cred. Chez can't be scum because 1. He's reading the game and giving his own input 2. Chyz made a case, made a bunch of reads then literally ragequit 3. And most importantly, Chez is my friend. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:24 KelsierSC wrote: So just to Math this out. In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch. If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game. If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead. There's a few bobs and screws left that I don't fully understand myself. That is one of them. My best guess is that you felt the bus would get you enough cred to make this argument. Had Lazer lynched Marv, Lazer would have a great chance of surviving the entire game. Same goes to a lesser extent for you and Marv on LM. It's sacrificing time for a better shot at winning at endgame. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:27 GlowingBear wrote: Also, this needs to be explained, if you believe LM is part of the scum team. I see two scum wagons. What needs to be explained about this? | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:33 GlowingBear wrote: If they knew Robik was the cop, why keeping ritoky alive just to be auto lunched the next day? I don't know if they knew Robik was the cop. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:37 KelsierSC wrote: You think mafia do all this, have an extra day make extra night kills to give town info all for vote cred, and have to get 2 mislynches. When instead they can just get a town lynched and then win the next day by convincing 1 member of town to vote with them. Like I said, I'm not entirely happy with the explanation, but eh. Marv not leading a lynch on mafia throughout this game would get to him, so I can see him trying, and at that point you may as well join in to add to the cred. Basically Marv would be super screwed if he led/was part of a wagon that lynched town today if he were scum. It'd be possible to sac Marv and just go full on Palmar, but he's had a 38 page game so I doubt he'd be willing to do so. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:39 GlowingBear wrote: Vivax, Artanis, who should we lynch first? LM is the biggest point of contention because both Marv and Kelsier suspect him and have indicated they still suspect him. Seeing if they blink with only one mislynch required is a good plan. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:45 KelsierSC wrote: Arts is have you read mu points on Viv? Yes. Town numbers are low. Vivax shows willingness to sacrifice his vote to the strongest townread of the thread despite being pretty clearly townread by 90% of players as well to consolidate. I consider that a town trait. | ||
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On January 15 2015 10:50 KelsierSC wrote: He doesn't willingly sacrifice his vote to you. He wouldn't have voted on lm if you had. In fact he set it up so he would only vote on palmar or Marv. Read my point about him. Actually this does make me curious why Vivax flipped his read on LM. Vivax explain. | ||
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Lynch LM tomorrow. 98% sure it's the best play. Lynch Kelsier next. 90% sure it's the best play. Lynch Marv last. 100% sure it's the best play. Either he's going to be massively upset as town or we win the game. Don't take this as gospel though. Keep your ears open. Listen and converse with all three of them. Tunnel vision leads to losing games. Finally, listen to this song. Seriously, it's good. Wardruna is fantastic. On January 15 2015 10:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Here's my funeral song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0PvZGVPiJU | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:09 sicklucker wrote: So like I told myself tonight if artanis didnt die hes no longer confirmed town. So like I pretty much confirmed gb as mafia (unless you believe slam made two highway 89's or whatever) and artanis shrugged it off and made everyone ignore it. Could you be owning the shit out of us right now in a vivax gb team? Is this possible? This actually makes me think scum chose a great target if they're the team I put them on. Marv is smart enough to think out consequences like this. Feel free to scrutinize my filter though. | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:19 Vivax wrote: Yep, I forced them to do that with the post where I say that I wouldn't kill you cause you're a bro Oh shit that comment was gold looking back at it. | ||
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On January 15 2015 11:23 Vivax wrote: I'm lynching Kelsier before LM. I'm okay with this too. I chose the lynch last time, I'll sheep you this time. ##Unvote ##Vote KelsierSC | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:35 GlowingBear wrote: If it is for him to rescind in the middle of the night and get town read for his stupid thing, then yes. Did it look planned to you? Because if it was planned it'd have to be with Kelsier who originally triggered it. | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:38 GlowingBear wrote: And I'm okay with Kelsier being mafia, so... yes But not only would this mean that 4 mafia were involved in a fakeclaim that was high risk low reward, not only that, but then SL also never pointed out how retarded this is when people brought up suspicion to get the towncred that he wanted with this action. Yeah, no. | ||
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Chezinu ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/X5KFscN.png) It was a cold and windy January day, When my friend sadly passed away. This was the day when a boy with a knife, took away my friends life Today, we commemorate the loss of a valued member of our town and world citizen, Chezinu. He was a man without a home, wandering from place to place and rarely feeling welcome. I remember him visiting the town of Twitch, where people feared him for not being able to tell his visage. He speaks in riddles, often misunderstood, but those that approached him know the warmth and unwaivering companionship that he offered. Yet, people he touched seemed to die in front of his eyes. On January 06 2015 14:21 Chezinu wrote: Geez, my first two townreads die... It's like the mafias knows... I'm proud to say that I was a friend of Chezinu until his final, untimely death. His problems in communication make his death all the worse. It means that mafia discriminates against the verbally disabled. The perpetrators must be brought to justice. Chezinu, I swear on all the gods, the old, the new and the chupazi that you shall be avenged. Your death will not be in vain. | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:54 GlowingBear wrote: Artanis, what are your reasons to scumread LM excluding PoE? I want Marv to answer that because he's been awfully waffly on actually addressing him. | ||
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On January 15 2015 22:53 Damdred wrote: Artanis you looked at my games town and mafia a like I think earlier. Activity wise is this less than my town games like GB and SL are claiming at this juncture? I'm trying to find my post on you I made earlier because it's a bit fuzzy. I don't think I actually checked you activity wise. | ||
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On January 13 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why did you arrive at this conclusion? Damdred is asking a lot of "clarifying" questions, you're right, and that along with his opposite reads on Dr.H and Ritoky does point to scum. However he did hop on the Superbia lynch over two town wagons and did not stray which I feel offsets it a bit. I also like how he's gone after Lazer. However I just decided to go look at an older game. His most recent scumgame according to the database was Fantasy Football 2 and towngame Russian Today. I believe I've heard before that Damdred doesn't engage his scum suspects when he's scum. In this game he has, so I wanted to collaborate that. First thing I notice in his scumgame is this: Joking about being town. The opposite and yet similar to what he did this game. Not sure what it means but it could be significant. In the game, he engages a few of his suspects at the start but then basically only starts conversing with GlowingBear and makes random oneliners here and there. In this game, he looks more engaged with a variety of other people rather than the narrow focus he had in FF. So, Russian Today: Starts the other game with a joke about his alignment as well. Guess it has no significance after all. In Russian today he's a lot more insightful, engages a lot of people in discussion. In the Towngame he also asks a few seemingly silly questions, but that's hard to check since that'd require going through the thread and seeing if it makes sense and I aint got time for that. This game he looks more like Russian Today so I'm going to go with Damdred being town this game. | ||
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On January 15 2015 23:03 sicklucker wrote: Its not that far fetched to think super asked dandred to kill him to get town cred not that I think dandred was the #1 driving force that got super lynched. Super was sooooo inactive. He probably didnt want to play I cant give dandred too much credit for this. I'm not giving him too much credit for it either. I just feel it offsets the initial suspicion based on the dr.h/ritoky thing. | ||
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On January 16 2015 02:04 Lazermonkey wrote: Like my post about GB defending Palmar was such an obvious mistake. You can say something like marv did, i.e. "sure it doesn't have a scum motive, but you are more inclined to do stuff like this as scum you are lying about half the game already". W/e. Even if that is true, its still based on WIFOM. I think its so silly that Vivax and Artanis would go from saying I'm town to I'm scum for that. Its like next level silly. That's not why I scumread you, I also never said you were town but that you were looking better. I just realized that I have a problem with my suggested scumteam though due to a reason for scumreading you. It was that your greatest suspect was GB yet you plopped your vote onto Marv in the end when there were plenty of people that suspected GB (I believe SL and myself voiced concerns quite openly). However, if you were scum with marv it wouldn't make sense to bus him instead since you were broadly suspected by the thread. Though I gave the bussing argument earlier I feel it doesn't add up for you because you're likely to get lynched even if you support a scummarv lynch. It'd make more sense for Marv to go after Palmar in that case, or for you to go after GB. Yeah, there's too much bussing in my proposed team. Not buying it anymore. | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:15 Vivax wrote: I'm aiming for best town award I think I'll nominate you for best traitor play this game tbh | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote: It clears the team Artanis Vivax and Damdred which is possible. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg) | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:17 Damdred wrote: Team Artanis Vivax and Damdred isn't possible, if you played a game with scum vivax you would understand this. Anyway Art is right that isn't in OP if we can at all, nor if scum can hold a shot Oh yeah, if scum can hold their shot then it's pointless other than gaining time too. | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:22 Damdred wrote: Artanis idk how you can think hes scum based off of weird NK. I think vivax is right that its made to discredit him a bit maybe wifom way into a lynchable status And i'm not scum I wasn't implying he was scum. I was implying he was town playing in the best interest of scum for most of the game. | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:34 GlowingBear wrote: Your explanation scares me damdred. Specially when you said in this game you don't like meta plays that much after Hearthstone. Damdy I can't believe a thing you say in this game. I don't buy Vivax being scum because we had the exact same idea regarding the teams earlier. I doubt Damdred is scum because I don't believe Vivax/SL can be scum and I doubt he can be scum with you or LM which leaves his only potential team at precisely Damdred/Kelsier/Marv. I might actually have to investigate that team though. | ||
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On January 16 2015 03:44 Vivax wrote: Did anyone actually bother rereading the game from D1 with all the flips in mind? I remember doing that at some point during D3 which was when I noticed ritoky's push on DRH looking like a fake scum push. Then I posted it in the thread and marv was like "yes vivax absolutely". Yet he didn't start shouting for a ritoky lynch immediately, instead at some point later when I wasn't in the thread all the "Robik vs ritoky" business started. Meanwhile my vote was parked on SL for the shitty push on me on D3. With 450 pages, fuck that. I wanted to analyse the votes though but the final votecount for D2 seems to be missing and the vote thread is a mess in general. I just checked the D1 votes presuming a kels/marv/damdred team but that was inconclusive. What I do take away from this is that if it was a Kelsier/Marv/Lazer team they really wanted geript dead. Maybe geript's reads D1 will shed some light. Confirmed alignments in bold. D1 ritoky (1): Superbia TheChyz (2): Vivax, TheChyz geript (5): Palmar, Lazermonkey, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, batsnacks sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote: @Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too. Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well. On January 02 2015 04:48 geript wrote: In looking at some of Lazer's past games, he's probably an ok lynch. Marv is right on that he's pretty much a background player. On January 02 2015 06:01 geript wrote: Meh, whatever Marv. I'm really hungry and don't feel like posting 4 pages on how you're scum. You are. Congrats you got me lynched; well Koshi got me lynched. Here's a tl;dr version that people need to sheep: 1. Read on Robik is fucking terrible. Robik is scum 2. No interactions with Koshi--normally these two are absolutely fucking hilarious to play with 3. Not fun; little to no sarcasm, wit, or fun factor that makes Marv fun to play with 4. Wouldn't read me like he does. He'd be more scared to lynch into me (looking elsewhere first) and less sure on his read on me. 5. Marv wouldn't fear lynch on D1 6. Really fucking terrible list post. @Artanis, Palmer and Doc. Look at Marv. He's not right. Doc get your head screwed on straight and actually think about the game critically. I'm pretty sure your read on Chyz is wrong. Town: Artanis[XP]--Not as active as I'd like. But I'm prettty sure he's town DoctorHelvetica--Way off track Palmar--First time he's read me wrong as town. lolz TheChyz--He's just new. But he's town. Damdred--He's town. But force him to post a bunch tomorrow because he notices some good things here and there justanothertownie sicklucker--I initially had him below this in the unsure pile. But I had a townread on him when I read him before I slept. Cursory view of his meta points towards town; that said, it's not wholly applicable because of different game situations imo. Unsure but active pile: batsnacks--of these two, bat is the most likely to be mafia. KelsierSC--felt towny but i forget why GTFO: RebirthOfLeGenD Superbia Vivax GlowingBear Mafia lean: Eden1892--Went ham but not fully ham. Then drops ham and never goes back to ham land. Really odd start. ritoky -- He townread me at a weird point. His read on Robik was pretty weird. Marv wants to lynch him but doesn't really follow up on it. Koshi --Could be wrong here Mafia: Marvellosity IAmRobik Lazermonkey--From a cursory view of his past 3-4 games + Show Spoiler [Batsnacks reads] + On January 02 2015 13:47 batsnacks wrote: I've already said this. marv and lazer for how they sheeped the geript vote. robik because he's not calling people out or calling people bad. thechyz - claimed scum, self voted, left the thread under pressure. Other interesting people that have been talked about today: vivax - scum vivax I usually associate with being very active d1 then falling off in activity later on in the game. I have played with vivax as scum once and that is how he described his scum meta to me. so this game doesn't exactly align with that scum meta but he's someone I think should be focused on. DrH - had the easiest 15 page d1 filter ever. all he did the entire day was dissect every sentence thechyz wrote. Both of them wanted Marv/Lazer dead and both of them had Damdred in their townreads. I guess that doesn't solve help. | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:12 Vivax wrote: Kelsier, GB, marv or Kelsier, LM, marv is my current question. I'm currently tempted to say GB rather than LM because LM just cleared a potential mislynch if he's scum and Dam is town. I did just mind meld with GB though. | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:21 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, GB is so scum it isn't even funny. He is scumreading everyone at this point. "I'll just lynch lazer tomorrow" "I'll vote SL" "Damdred is totally scum" "Kel is very likely scum" "Marv is part of the scum team" He is just bandwaggoning whatever the fuck is hot at the moment... What I don't like about GB recently is how he pointed out to SL that his reactions to the nightkill were odd and that I'd shoot Vivax if I were scum, proceeds to call SL scum despite 2 flipped scum having pushed on his fakeclaim, then turns around and calls a team of me/Vivax/Damdred very possible. He also made this meta case on Damdred which he then doesn't get back to when the conversation topic doesn't concern Damdred. When it does once again, he doesn't even bring it up. If he actually thought it was strong why isn't he telling people to read it and why is he going along with every suspicion of the thread rather than pushing his own thing? | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:22 GlowingBear wrote: Artanis, almost every scum team you bring up, you have marv in it. We should lynch marv instead. We can start with a marv lynch. I kinda wanted to save him for last to see him cry as his team falters around him but okay. | ||
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On January 16 2015 04:31 GlowingBear wrote: I'd rather see him screaming that his filter is too long for him being scum for 48 hours straight. To be fair, if he's town voting for him is the best way to find out. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:47 KelsierSC wrote: the part where he ensures he doesn't vote on LM, yes that part does fall apart if LM is town. But the rest of the case still stands. But I am 100% convinced LM is mafia. Viv was but now apparently LM is a ?. So he wants to lynch marv instead. Remember when you talked about the person who "blinks first". viv is blinking here. Dam is town I have presented good arguments for that. LM is the right lynch here not marv You're right that my argument does suggest we should vote for LM. However, I'm not entirely certain on him anymore. Marv seems like a safer bet as he doesn't seem very concerned with anything but survival this game. One exception in his favour on this is that he voted for LM over Palmar, but I'd say that at the time it was likelier that LM would get lynched rather than Palmar. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:47 Vivax wrote: Artanis. Marv is alive, he isn't doing jackshit all day, and they shot a fucking Chezinu. We're not lynching anyone but marv today and do I have to point you to your flowchart? What did you say about tunnel vision again last night? I'm highly likely to agree with you, but I'm going to hear him out. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote: Give me the name of a recent town game of yours. You should probably look here. We have it for a reason. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:51 Vivax wrote: Will have to go with Artanis, which would hurt my feelings. Vivax dear, have you ever seen my scumplay? If you did you would not entertain the idea that I could even be scum. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:55 Vivax wrote: Just skimmed your boadwalk filter and am iinclined to agree I'll be complete here in that I did have one good scumgame in I'm a Cop You Idiot, but it was a 7-player IML game so I knew the game would be very short. All other scumgames I've pretty much been under heavy suspicion if not lynched D1/D2. | ||
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On January 16 2015 09:58 Vivax wrote: Ok. We go into a world where I'm scum for a moment. So apparently I killed Koshi N1 cause I was his top scumread. Eden cause fuck knows why. During the night I was wondering if he's scum. Then I killed JAT cause I pissed him off or something. VE cause he claimed medic. Robik cause he claimed cop. I also spent the whole night arguing with him why he isn't for some strange reason when I should already have known he was. Then I kill...Chezinu?????????? Why didn't I kill Kelsier? I'm obviously not afraid to kill people who could be a threat to me. The lovely thing with night kills is you can always just say WIFOM. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:00 GlowingBear wrote: Artanis, answer me seriously to this: Are you sure you're town? Yes. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:01 GlowingBear wrote: Do you think everyone in the obs qt is reading you as town? Anyone who has been in a game with me as scum, yes. Is this going anywhere? | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:01 Vivax wrote: True dat. Just wanted to get this out here quickly. Did you read why I think Kels is scum from his latest actions? I did, but I need to read it again to comment on it. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:09 GlowingBear wrote: Nah, just checking some WIFOMy meta. I went through your games and I don't really believe there is much difference between your scum and town play. What I did see was that you have a tedency to say something like "I'm so fucking town" in your town games. Loved the part where you said in a town game that "I am town because read the thread", like it was obvious Uh, there's this difference in my scum play that I tend to get lynched D1 or D2 whereas as Town I look clearly town. I also post way less and am less motivated in general as scum. You're pretty bad at meta if you didn't get that out of it. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:05 Vivax wrote: Time to get back to where I last was at my D1 analysis. I just read it again and though your point on Kelsier could be accurate it's a bit circumstancial. You can easily explain it from a town narrative too: He was simply curious on SL. That'd comply with his pressure on SL in D2. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:15 Vivax wrote: Does this read like TMI, Artanis? Or why would he assume he'd call all of them town. Note: Marv is in there so it's kinda odd. I'm feeling my tin foil hat. What if Kelsier is scum, Marv is town and he's defending him to feel like there's a fight going on? If that's true Marv will come back in full body armour though. His meek statement that he'll just sheep Kelsier doesn't look like that. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:23 GlowingBear wrote: This is extreme WIFOM. You're making me uneasy. That's why I said it's tin foil hat dummy. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:45 KelsierSC wrote: Or maybe the crazy theory that I want to get a read on artanis so I ask him a question. The problem with this is that, if I'm getting Vivax right, you just made a case on Geript. Generally when you make a case you want attention for it and your focus is on getting that person lynched. Why wouldn't you ask me my opinion on Geript? Why Dr.H/Ritoky? | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:53 KelsierSC wrote: I was trying to get a read on you, geript isn't the only person in the game and I already made my case on him. You'd already made your case on Dr.H being town too so that can't be an argument. | ||
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On January 16 2015 10:56 KelsierSC wrote: I ask you a question to get a read on you. I don't understand why that makes me scummy. You went from Point A (Townreading Dr.H) to Point B (Scumreading Geript) to Point C (asking me questions to get a read on me). You say you didn't ask me about Geript because you already made your case on him. That's in contradiction with asking me about Dr.H, because you already made your case on him too (but Town rather than scum). In fact, it makes less sense to ask me about Dr.H than Geript because when you're town you want people to think about your scumreads, not your townreads. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:05 GlowingBear wrote: Artanis, can you make a list from most town to less town? SL Vivax GB Damdred LM Kelsier Marv | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:09 KelsierSC wrote: I find it fascinating that I make a well constructed argument on viv that spans his entire game and points out glaring inconsitencies, looks at vote logic, takes into account the view of the confirmed town. and GB and artanis say "good case" thats it. Yet viv makes a post saying "you asked artanis a question on p24, start of d1, SLAM DUNK CASE" and people act like I'm confirmed mafia. I have to be dreaming. A good case doesn't mean someone is scum. Half the case on Vivax is that LM is scum and Vivax/LM makes sense. I'm not convinced LM is scum yet. It's also how Vivax' thought process aligned with my own at the end of last night. Plus by sheer effort alone, looking at his scumgames he's highly likely to be town. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:25 KelsierSC wrote: one point is that vivax and Lm are together , when he says he will follow you unless you vote on the same guy as marv. The rest of it stands by itself. There's also that Lazermonkey doesn't want to lynch him. You also said that this was your main point about him. Some points are also bullshit, like Vivax not posting for 4 hours, so he had 4 hours to catch up. Surely he could've also just been afk for 4 hours? | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:29 KelsierSC wrote: if it is by sheer effort... why the fuck is marv the lynch when he has a 40 page filter rather than LM who has a filter size of 18. Because the vast majority of those are oneliners and he hasn't really been pushing much. He's just been present but not really present. LM and Marv are different players which require different expectations. I did not expect LM to have the largest filter this game regardless of alignment. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote: HAHA I can see Robik and Koshi spitting fire on the obs qt. Artanis, I have this feeling you will turn out to be mafia and I'll be like ![[image loading]](http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Emma-Watson-Is-Crushed-That-She-Actually-Trusted-You-In-Harry-Potter.gif) Can you substantiate this because these fleeting suspicions are really annoying. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:34 sicklucker wrote: Theres gotta be a scum between gb and dandred. Im not sold on lm being scum . So if you think gb is town And I think Lm is town doesint that make dandred scum? If both gb/lm are town it's likely damdred is scum. We already went over why Damdred probably isn't scum though; he's actually been pushing Superbia strongly D2 and he had this emotional outburst today that looked quite genuine. | ||
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On January 16 2015 11:35 KelsierSC wrote: Can someone town please speak up and ask wtf is going on here I read your explanation on your question on me, but I don't buy it. It's possible but it's just weird to imagine. The pressure on the cop claim feels scummy because you seem to be a rational player and there was no reason to doubt his claim at the time because which scum player would claim cop without any pressure? That you were right does not mean that it was the townie response. I presume GB has actually read your meta a bit more thoroughly than that. He played that towngame with you so he should have a sense of the bigger picture that game. The phone point is retarded though. Additionally, another reason you look scummy to me is that most of the other players simply look townier for various reasons. | ||
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On January 16 2015 23:45 Vivax wrote: Artanis you just suspected Kelsier yourself when I pointed out how he asks you about ritoky but not about geript. Why not dig further about Kelsier afterwards? Like, I have this theory floating in my mind that you and Kelsier are actually scum and marv just gave up fighting cause he wants to be a dick and make me look like an idiot when he flips town and you guys win. Because I had to go to bed and since then haven't had time for digging yet. Why are you trying to derail an obvscum marv lynch? | ||
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On January 17 2015 00:00 Vivax wrote: Another thing I noticed while rereading this. When Kelsier asked Artanis this question, Artanis already made his entrance in the thread and...Surprise surprise surprise, Artanis voted geript. So it was obvious Kelsier wouldn't ask him on geript but instead about ritoky. And Artanis should have known this when he questioned Kelsier himself. But they both forgot that they already were voting geript at the time, and so KElsier said to his defense "to get a better read on Artanis" (who already had the same scumread as him) and Artanis faked suspicion on Kelsier even thought he should have known that Kelsier couldn't possibly ask him any other question cause they already shared the same scumread. Artanis + Kels so far. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FHJQ2wn.jpg) | ||
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Scum explanation: Artanis heard from Vivax that Kelsier made a case on Geript at the time yet asked him about Dr.H/Ritoky, finds it odd and questions Kelsier on it. He forgot his vote was on Geript already because it's weeks ago and he doesn't remember every detail. | ||
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On January 17 2015 00:18 Vivax wrote: Artanis, give me one reason or more to not lynch Kelsier today instead of marv. Kelsier is defending himself. Marv has gone afk. | ||
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On January 17 2015 00:21 Vivax wrote: Yes cause if he's town he wants us to lose right now to make me look like a shitter. Or he's busy and will come back in full fighting mode. But for now, I want reasons that aren't related to activity, Why not lynch Kelsier? What happened to following the flow chart? What happened to your desire to lynch marv? Why are you suddenly having second doubts? Marv has pushed nothing strongly. He's on the lynching pole and he's not here. That's all the evidence you need. | ||
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On January 17 2015 00:26 Vivax wrote: What was Kelsier's point of asking you for a read on DrH and ritoky when you already gave it before? What was the point of him being suspicious of you when you were already voting the same target? He probably asked it to me because he saw me, figured there had been talk about ritoky and Dr.H before without checking my filter first. Spur of the moment thing. I'm voting the same target as you are yet you're suspicious of me. What gives? | ||
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On January 17 2015 00:32 Vivax wrote: There is no point in asking you that question without reading your filter first if his purpose was to get a better read on you like he claimed lately. It gives that I noticed all this stuff rereading D1, Kelsier is scummy as hell, and you didn't further inquire on him when I pointed out that he asked for your read on DrH and ritoky. Or he asked that question, then checks my filter to see if it makes sense. Or if he's scum he's just saying it to look good. I'm not saying Kelsier is not scum, I'm saying that connecting him to me makes fuck all sense. I did further inquire on it. I asked him a bunch of questions on it. I just didn't go back to that specific time before asking him those questions. | ||
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On January 17 2015 00:33 Vivax wrote: And Kelsier asked you for a read on ritoky while calling DrH supertown but not giving any statement on ritoky. So if Kelsier asked anyone else for a read on someone he hadn't given a read on himself yet they're scum too? Let's see how many people I can get into your scumteam. | ||
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On December 31 2014 19:48 KelsierSC wrote: sicklucker can you explain what the issue is with ritoky attacking doctor? you have a huge town read on doctor at that point? Guess SL's scum since he hadn't given a statement on those two yet. On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? I guess Lazer is scum because he hadn't given reads on most of the "other players in the game" yet. Wait, that means we have 4 scum left because I'm scum with Kelsier, SL and Lazermonkey. Guess Slam must've messed up in the role PM's. | ||
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On January 17 2015 00:41 Vivax wrote: Are you kidding me? SL was calling ritoky scum at that point and Kels focuses on the DrH townread. While Kelsier doesn't ask Lazer about ritoky in specific. The point I'm trying to make is that making an association based on a question on someone he hadn't made a statement about yet himself is absolutely idiotic. How does Kelsier being lazy on checking my filter make ME scum? It's tin foil hatesque. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:02 Vivax wrote: Yes but Artanis, you should have to agree on Kelsier being scum here and yet don't want to lynch him for the pure reason that marv isn't playing, in spite of all the evidence posted. I want to lynch Kelsier! Why don't you? Marv isn't playing means he's 100% scum. Kelsier playing very scummily means he's 95% scum. Why would I lynch 95% scum over 100% scum? If you can convince me of that I might vote for Kelsier. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:30 marvellosity wrote: well I guess I decided I should play now. Then again Kelsier seems like a real risky lynch to me. I look forward to your contributions. You should read the last 20 pages for starters. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:48 marvellosity wrote: Artanis could be mafia. GB/LM/Artanis, Artanis used towncred to push Palmar, GB followed, saves LM from the righteous lynch. If you honestly think I could be mafia with how I've played I find it hard to believe that you can't be mafia. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:52 sicklucker wrote: Thats a stupid request. Because marv thinks ksc is town and voting a town is the same thing as marv dying in lylo. You get that? There's a certain degree of sense to it. Marv would KNOW he's town, he might be wrong on ksc and voting to save yourself would always be better than having yourself die. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:53 marvellosity wrote: yes, it's definitely in my best interests to refuse to vote for the only possible counterwagon (apparently) and call a universal townread mafia. That *must* make me mafia. You had to keep your story straight. Couldn't well falter on KSC now that you've come this far. Also, both Vivax and GB have expressed concerns on me so it's not actually universal anymore. You of all people should know how bad my scumgame is though and know that this is impossible for me. | ||
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The difference is you usually actually try to figure the game out as town. You just seem to be going with whatever you think will not get you lynched this game. On January 17 2015 01:56 marvellosity wrote: let's also not pretend you didn't fool the entire game when you were mafia before. That was a 7-player mini whose only decent players were Xatalos and BH. It was extremely short and incomparable to this game. You know just as well that this is extremely unlikely to be my scumgame. | ||
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On January 17 2015 01:59 marvellosity wrote: your only hardpush was Palmar to save LM QED That might be a good point if I hardpushed a lot as town. I don't. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:00 marvellosity wrote: yeah i'm definitely doing that right now, taking the easy route, right??? right?! you also know when i am caught as mafia i return to the thread approximately 0% of the time. It is rare, and I'll admit it does create some doubt. Besides, you can't go after KSC because you've been townreading him the entire game. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:09 Vivax wrote: I don't care if they don't shoot, just means we have more time. I want more time. The thought of having to argue with marv for another 3 days is not one I'm very inclined to. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:24 sicklucker wrote: Artanis are you ever wrong about vivax here and its the obvious team I thought it was since like day3? Very unlikely. It's possible because it feels like vivax is pushing scum agendas so hard left and right with all these nutjob conspiracies, but I just can't imagine a 50 page scum Vivax. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:36 sicklucker wrote: Like my sleep schedules fucked. Id like to decide and sleep soon. And im a swing vote soo.... Any way you can sleep now and wake up before deadline? | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:40 GlowingBear wrote: Extreme bullshit. If you can't imagine a 50 page scum Vivax you can't imagine a 50 page scum Marv. I can, because Marv can potentially be a high volume poster as either alignment whereas I haven't seen that from Vivax. There's also the massive difference in posts in that Vivax actually pushes hard for the things he believes in whereas Marv hasn't. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:47 sicklucker wrote: No id rather just stay up but then my mind will be dull Did you read all the KSC stuff? What do you think about him? | ||
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On January 17 2015 03:02 GlowingBear wrote: Why is SL universally townread again? 2, maybe 3 scum tried pushing him after he fakeclaimed cop. Why would scum fakeclaim cop in an open setup and then push their own? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. | ||
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On January 17 2015 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: Artanis, if Vivax was scum, what would be the possible partners? I can't see any team with Vivax in it because I can't see Vivax being scum like ever here. | ||
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On January 17 2015 05:45 Damdred wrote: Ok. Do you think something like this would be try hard scum!Marv or town!Marv in your experience I'd be surprised if it was townmarv but it's making me doubt enough that I'd prefer a Kelsier lynch atm. The fact that he tried at all when he looked to be at the gallows, and that rather than going for the easy Kelsier lynch (which is only a point that counts if Kelsier is town, but if he's not we lynch scum anyway) he tried to lynch LM are points in his favour. Yeah I think I'll vote Kelsier instead. ##Unvote ##Vote KelsierSC | ||
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On January 17 2015 05:51 GlowingBear wrote: Artanis, if marv is town, who is scum with KSC and LM? I'm not Vivax isn't SL isn't Damdred is? Maybe. I see a slightly bigger chance for Kelsier to be scum than for Marv. | ||
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On January 17 2015 05:56 Vivax wrote: Artanis really my bro this game. I'll send you brofist for christmas, stolen from the dept. of anatomy You're a looney sometimes Vivax, but I love you. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/covy9vSl.png) | ||
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On January 17 2015 06:24 Vivax wrote: Yes but what you just mentioned is an argument for actually lynching marv first. No, because it means the situation where marv is town and kelsier is scum doesn't exist whereas the reverse does imo. | ||
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On January 17 2015 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, because it means the situation where marv is town and kelsier is scum doesn't exist whereas the reverse does imo. Er, the opposite! | ||
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Marv Scum, Kels scum: Irrelevant who we lynch first, could do anything. Marv Town, Kels scum: Marv actually tries to get scum lynched rather than the easiest lynch. We know the first situation isn't true so Kels pretty much has to be scum. | ||
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On January 17 2015 06:24 Damdred wrote: Idk I know I have to consolidate and all my reads are on kel. I'm kinda nervous though Did you read everything Vivax, GB and I wrote on him? What do you have doubts on? | ||
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On January 17 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote: NO WAIT. I want to lynch marv now, you just fueled my paranoia artanis ##Unvote ##Vote marv If you so desire. ##Unvote ##Vote Marvellosity | ||
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On January 17 2015 06:33 Damdred wrote: Yes I've read everything, I just hate lylo or mylo. i'm confident that vivax and you are doing the work here and the stuff found is really convincing. Ok. Vivax are you going to change your vote or not? | ||
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On January 17 2015 06:38 Vivax wrote: Marv scum, Kels town: Marv would have a hard time finding reasons to switch to Kels after they both pushed LM. Marv scum, Kels scum: Applies. We lynch marv first though cause I don't want him around spreading chaos tomorrow. Marv town, Kels scum : Kels doesn't want to lynch marv, directs attention to LM who could be his scumbuddy but gave up, and marv believes them. Marv scum, Kels town: As he said he townread me too. With the time he was afk and all that was posted he could've easily justified a Kels switch. Marv town, Kels scum: Fair point. He did say he didn't want to lynch Marv earlier already and nothing had changed since then so it would've been hard for him to change his mind. This was different for Marv. | ||
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On January 17 2015 06:51 Vivax wrote: Can anybody explain why SL goes from voting his scumread to voting his scumread's target? I just glossed over the votecount and it doesn't seem to make sense to me. SL is town because of aforementioned reasons. That he doesn't make sense is unfortunate, but doesn't mean he's scum. Now that Damdred and GB are both afk on Kels we might have to switch back before LM reaches 4 though. | ||
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On January 17 2015 06:53 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi im here for about 30 minutes max. Don't really have time to read a lot. Who are we lynching? Marv or kel? Marv has Vivax' preference but GB/Damdred have parked their votes on Kelsier and afked so we might not have much choice. | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:19 Vivax wrote: Yes I'm tired. But to me that votecount is proof that scum wants to lynch either Kelsier, or marv, but never marv. I know I'm town, I think GB's town, I think Damdred is likely town and I think Lazer is likely scum. Lazer is handing his vote to us. I disagree strongly with your assertion. | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:20 GlowingBear wrote: Yes we can switch Okay, let's do it just to shut Vivax up. | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:25 Vivax wrote: Yes if we make that votecount a 3-5-0-0-0 with mavr leading the lynch I can finally go to bed But everyone's switching back to Marv, shouldn't you second guess your marv scumread now? | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:28 Vivax wrote: No cause that SL vote on LM supporting marv not getting lynched was sketchy as fuck. and he was on marv previously. I'll hunt him down like a feral dog once marv flips red. SL IS NOT SCUM On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. On January 17 2015 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is why SL isn't scum: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. On January 05 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Fuck this shit. SL softs cop and all of a sudden has to explain nothing? Whatever. CC better come during EoN, don't believe SL. On January 05 2015 06:56 Superbia wrote: I was on his fucking ass, reading lazer town there made NO SENSE from his filter. The cc would net us instant mafia, and if he somehow turns out to be cop I'm literally done. On January 05 2015 13:49 KelsierSC wrote: plus SL isn't here to confirm either way. he wont explain why he checked dam even though dam is "an easy town read" i'm not voting on someone else right at end of day just because someone who I read as scum makes a retard cop claim. | ||
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-Lazer claims not to have a read on eden, DrH or rit, but attacks Chyz for not having strong reads. I saw the latter but not the former. Found the former myself, might be relevant. On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. -Copies thread mentality -Weak read on Robik, seemingly random -Rit townreading LM for a read on Damdred (okaaay) -Wants to lynch GB yet votes Marv -Swaps read on GB due to a meta read. I think your case is alright, though the point on Rit townreading LM for a townread and him swapping his read on GB for his case feel a bit farfetched. I actually need to think about it and reread him a bit more. | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote: No answer me, lm has been fighting Kels lynch the whole game and has to be told to vote marv because he tried to kill him today? Wait, are you saying LM was against or in favour of a Kelsier lynch? I'm just glancing through his filter now and he doesn't say much about Kelsier at all. | ||
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On January 17 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote: By fighting Kels lynch I mean fighting against Kels case all game. And he walks in in lylo and just says I don't have time who do I vote and keaves? Super anti town at best.,.and makes his vote seemed dorced Do you mean that he wanted Kels lynched or not because your wording is really unclear. | ||
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On January 12 2015 05:27 Lazermonkey wrote: Yhea, I skimmed through his filter yesterday actually. I was kinda lazy though so I didn't post anything about it. So Kelsier was actually one of first guys to list superbia as possible scum. This is obviously nice from a town PoV. But he didn't really push him at all untill D3. He does barely mention ritoky untill D3 also. This does make him look quite suspicious I'd say. But I feel that I really need to read him more carefully to be able to make a full judgement. He was also the first person to vote superbia. Lynching him now is probably not optimal but if nothing changes we definately need to consider lynching him. He hasn't really pushed him since. A few days later he states: On January 16 2015 05:04 Lazermonkey wrote: But I said I think marv is my second highest scum read?!? Just that I'd rather kill GB. He's interacted with Kels a few times after that but never mentioned any read on him. But if it's LM/Kels/Marv then today is so stupid because we're trying to decide which of the three scum to lynch first. Would they really put themselves in that position? :/ | ||
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LM/Marv/GB LM/Kels/GB Damdred/Marv/Kels LM/Damdred/Marv LM/Damdred/Kels If one of Vivax and SL is scum they can have the win because I really don't believe they can. First opton: LM/Marv/GB. Marv's push on GB was reasonable, but is actually a decent distancing tactic if they're both scum together. Definitely possible, but that combination still doesn't explain LM and Marv bussing the shit out of each other. Marv's also had LM and GB in his top scumreads for most of the game and has no other strong scumreads, just a slight suspicion on me. It's unlikely he'd bus this much. Second option: LM/Kels/GB. Kelsier has two strong suspects: LM and Vivax, with a side dish of GB. He's been going after Vivax' credibility hard but votes LM. As scum, he can't reasonably vote off Vivax, but a LM lynch wouldn't gain him much credit either given LM's status at the time. One thing that is worthy of note here is that LM has barely mentioned Kels in his filter, and ended up townreading GB despite these two still pushing him. In this sense, this option makes more sense than the LM/Marv/GB option because there's one side that provides the opposition to the lynch to create a counterwagon (Kels), one side to take all the credit and win at endgame (GB) and LM as the sacrificed pawn for Plan B. It still feels like a bit of a stretch. I'd imagine GB would push for Kelsier's lynch harder, and the way he replied to us potentially switching from Marv to Kelsier seemed more of shock and dismay than of willingness, though he did switch moments later with a vague reason. Third option: Damdred/Marv/Kelsier. In this case there's been almost nothing but buddying except from Damdred's side. Marv and Kelsier have consistently called Damdred anywhere from null to town, whereas Damdred scumreads both. In this option Damdred would be the lategame player, and LM simply misguided in his townread of Damdred. Both players would be setting up Damdred for the lategame. I'd imagine however that Damdred would've set himself up to vote LM earlier in hopes of getting to 4 before a Marv lynch and just win today rather than dragging it out. He's also accepted Kelsier as scum pretty quickly where with SL against it he could've easily sided against it. He had a townread on Kelsier earlier. Fourth option: LM/Damdred/Kels or Marv. Same problems as LM/Marv and LM/Kels had earlier with the added bonus of Damdred/LM having had very complicated interactions that make it very unlikely. Though the LM/Damdred/Kelsier team does have the idea of LM/Damdred never being on a team together implanted by Kelsier. I'm going to need to see if there's actually some truth to that, because if that's the play mafia made then that's pretty smart. | ||
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On January 17 2015 09:34 Damdred wrote: Ty for the synopsis art. Is lazer still Scum reading GB do you know? On January 16 2015 22:20 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, GB is looking far better now I think. He was very posty and put up two pretty comprehensive meta reads, which I don't really expect scum to do. But this puzzles me, because it means someone I had previously as town is scum. If I had to guess it would be SL, but I really need reread alot before I can draw any clear conclusions. I really think Kel is scum now also. | ||
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On January 17 2015 09:37 marvellosity wrote: is there anything I need to read in the last few pages other than paranoia and wifom team scenarios, or can I actually get people here to think about what happened last cycle? Paranoia and wifom team scenarios has been the general trend. Breaking it down would be your best bet. | ||
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On January 17 2015 09:39 Damdred wrote: Ok, what changed when GB was making meta cases earlier in the game and then? Lm literally scumread GB while he was doing that. Later days he townreads gb? I dint get it Yeah I don't like it either how he changes from scum to townreading GB all of a sudden. He's been on his case all game and suddenly a short streak of posts and GB is town. | ||
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Marv tell me more on the blablabla in Namely GB's push on Palmar, Lazer being saved by a whisker, Lazer pathetically pushing GB only to end up on me when it mattered yesterday while avoiding all the important interactions, blablabla. | ||
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On January 17 2015 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And I want to know if you think Vivax can be scum this game because I'm having trouble forming a team that has neither you nor Kels in it. | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:05 sicklucker wrote: Can I go back to bed? SL help me. What do you think of Marv's recent posting? I'm starting to have severe doubts and wonder if you were right after all. | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote: Well im reading. Its hard to read because all I see is people think im scum when you clearly explained for a long time why I cant be I actually think Vivax might be scum. | ||
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I'm still puzzled how it's possible that it took this long, but that along with the filtersize makes me feel this is the best option. | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:19 sicklucker wrote: Oh wow artanis I want you to look at the vote count where gerit gets killed. Do you see the same anomly I do? Im gona look at it more closely now that im awake I did see a lot of [Xp]'s spelled wrong (which I now fixed), but I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that Marv voted for scum and Lazer for town? On January 05 2015 14:12 Alakaslam wrote: I Count this vote sons Vivax (3): IAmRobik, Superbia (4): IAmRobik (1): sicklucker (0): TheChyz (0): geript (6): Vivax, Geript is lynched. Deadline is in | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote: All 3 mafia left voted super in this vote. Its very unlikely. You mean the team isn't Damdred/Marvellosity/sicklucker? Well I'll be darned. | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:31 sicklucker wrote: So its a 5-5 vote between vivax and gerit. But the only people left in the game that can be marvs partners (damdred, ksc , me if your crazy) all end up on super and he almost gets lynched. Its very unlikely its a super,ritoky,ksv, marv , dandred team That's actually a pretty good point. | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:36 sicklucker wrote: So artanis lets do some level 1 thinking because its always the most likely. Your alive today. Chez prevoted lm. You prevoted the world where vivax and gb are town. If mafia is lm/gb /vivax they would kill chez not you The fact that I'm alive also implicates Vivax, yeah, since we pretty much entirely agreed on the scumteam. What furthermore implicates him is that he wanted to vote LM first, then suddenly found reasons to townread him and got Marv/Kelsier on the chopping block instead. | ||
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On January 17 2015 11:08 liancourt wrote: I'm actually waiting for Slam to do the flip. He said he'd be on today. Please have patience. Thank you. [http://i.imgur.com/vRVG5Ek.gif | ||
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On January 17 2015 11:08 liancourt wrote: I'm actually waiting for Slam to do the flip. He said he'd be on today. Please have patience. Thank you. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vRVG5Ek.gif) * | ||
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Eyes closed, arms open, godly, peaceful, strong Why doesn't everyone raise their arms to the grateful sky and soak in the golden bath of golden sun, to feel for once in their lives golden Why do I seem alone in my gentle facial curve while they seem bland and gray, straight lined lips across their face, a line of soldiers, unforgiving and unbreakable. Why do I only feel joy? Thoughts shoot through me like tommy gun bullets through the streets of old Chicago, covered in hot blood, hot money, and hot nights. Drugs in my veins, matches in my pockets, all eyes on me and my mafia heart raising a pistol to my brain and conquering its control. | ||
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On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote: one thing before bed: justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted 01-16-2015 07:06 PM ET (US) I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this? because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? Yeah pretty much. | ||
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On January 17 2015 02:17 marvellosity wrote: By the way Look at the timing of GB's hardpush on Palmar 1.he vaguely threatens that he's going to vote Palmar unless he votes Damdred (lol!!!) 2.he indeed does so 3.marv says "do not lynch Palmar, lynch LM!" 4.Palmar goes to bed 5.LM is a distinct possibility 6.NOW, FUCKING NOW, GB hardpushes Palmar. Not before. | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote: It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players. I understand that, but when I saw the supposed shadow posting in the thread all I thought was "oh, I guess I should link my shadows to the qt too." and didn't give it a single further thought because it wasn't my shadow. I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense. | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:29 justanothertownie wrote: That might be true. But those things have absolutely nothing to do with each other and making more mistakes that favor different factions does not make it acceptable. I agree, that's not what I mean. It's just that you said it shouldn't be in the database and all that when I feel on a game-impact scale it had a minor if not zero effect. | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:52 justanothertownie wrote: It's less the fluff posts and more the switch off super day2 and the ridiculous push for obvious town Palmar day5. There is no way town Artanis does not see that Palmar is clearly town that day. Worst lynch in a long time. Yeah, this. I make those fluff posts as town all the time too because that's what gets me the enjoyment out of the game. The switch off Super was justified meekly with him not being able to get lynched anyway and favouring a Geript over Vivax lynch, but of course the real reason was that I'd prefer to lynch town over scum. I don't think I would've gone for the Palmar lynch were it not for GB being completely convinced on him and town having given me so much credit, as well as knowing that the lineup that would be left after Palmar gets lynched is quite managable. | ||
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On January 17 2015 21:58 justanothertownie wrote: That's the only positive thing about this game. I think I learned a few things about the scumplay of super, marv, artanis and damdred. I honestly wouldn't be able to discern a motivated scumgame of mine from a towngame other than the pushing of a mafia agenda I did this game, and that was only because of how strong the townreads on me were that allowed me this luxury. Had people nullread me or if they were suspicious of me, I would probably have never pushed Palmar. | ||
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On January 17 2015 22:04 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe I learned the least about you. But there are most definitely things that I picked up about the other 3. I'd actually like to hear what you learned about me, and it's not to gloat as I'm actually curious to the difference in order to get a better view of my game in general. I think I might also have been a little more detached from the game, not too rushed with finding things out left and right and a few joking posts at times when town would be frustrated and trying to figure out the game hard. | ||
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On January 17 2015 22:10 justanothertownie wrote: If you think that I will share my findings before I am able to use them at least once then you are crazy ^_- Daaaaaamn youuuuuuuu | ||
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On January 17 2015 23:45 justanothertownie wrote: Then you should probably wait a while before you join a mafia game again. Just sayin. Ergo my intention to not play again for a bit. | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote: maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote: You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv. | ||
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What do you feel was different about it? It was a very concise point on why LM was scum. | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:34 Palmar wrote: Because by day 5 townmarv has actual reads to base things on. He had been going after LM for a while. It was a continuation of that case, but much more concise and to the point than he had been before. I'm talking about the posts in a vacuum rather than considering it was D6 and all. | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote: Koshi made a great point in QT actually how i managed to paint myself into a corner by townreading everyone i should be townreading, leaving me with 3 scum by PoE who i kinda hadn't pushed at all. Yeah, I think your biggest flaw (other than not pushing your suspects as strongly) as scum is clearing people too quickly, but I guess you kind of have to since that's what you do as town. | ||
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On January 18 2015 02:25 geript wrote: See what happens when a bunch of baddies lynch Geript. I am accepting apologies for your stupidity now. I'm sorry Geript, I didn't know you were town! | ||
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On January 19 2015 04:43 Eden1892 wrote: Lol no it won't. What kind of false dichotomy is that? I guarantee town would have been fine if we had only had 7000 posts instead of 10000. Or 6000. That's silly to suggest otherwise. Especially since so much of it was bad witch hunts. Vivax tin foil hat theories are best theories. He totally nailed me by association of Kelsier. | ||
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