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On January 13 2015 01:37 Palmar wrote:
So this is where I'm at:
Town:
Palmar
Artanis
SL (36 pages of filter, gj bro)
GB
Maybe scum:
Chez
Marv
Ksc
Vivax
LM
to respond to your previous, i'ma tier people, leaving you out:
marv
SL
Artanis
Kelsier
On January 12 2015 08:36 KelsierSC wrote:
Crazy weekend for me, going to read over the events
Ag the moment I dont like
Viv,palmar,lm
Def town
SL,dam,artanis,drh
Sorry I was inactive , I'm surprised more people didn't vote Viv.
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I'm having a problem with Kelsier in that his activity is non-existent and this reads list seems out of date/repeated for the sake of it. The problem with having a problem is that I was very sure he was town before and it's very rare that I'm wrong on these
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Damdred
Chez - other people seem to be convinced that Chyz's ragequit makes him town. I've never really shared this absolute conviction, but meeeeh, i guess it's more likely to come from town?
Vivax
GB - don't buy your buddying argument, and DP seemed convinced he was mafia
LM - few reasons to call him town, which isn't great at this stage
somehow i doubt the bottom 3 are all mafia, which means i would need to introduce damd/chez/kelsier into the equation (again under the assumption that you are town). But with 3 mafia left there's bound to be mafia in there.
tbh i was kinda hoping you were going to roll over and die, but there remains the real possibility that you're town still
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On January 13 2015 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:On January 13 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 06 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2015 00:44 Damdred wrote:
Ok just caught up and woke up,
I am upset at you SL, if you are trying to draw a bullet you do not unclaim during the night you let the medic make the wifom decision. I'll talk more about this tomorrow if it comes up.
I'll be honest though I really hate it how vivax and LM hard defended super during the eod, i'm not really sure why you shouldn't be ok to lynch super. Kels reasoning I think made sense to me, he didn't hard defend super.
Because of this post, if super is mafia, you are too.Also I'm honestly going to just chill. There is literally no one being not bad in this town at the moment. Everyone has either lynched townies, or failed to push alternative lynches. This means mafia has no idea whom to shoot tonight, because the doc save is guaranteed. So I guess I'll just see who they shoot, and figure the game out tomorrow. I may start reading tonight, but I'm not going to conclude much for now. Why did you arrive at this conclusion? Damdred is asking a lot of "clarifying" questions, you're right, and that along with his opposite reads on Dr.H and Ritoky does point to scum. However he did hop on the Superbia lynch over two town wagons and did not stray which I feel offsets it a bit. I also like how he's gone after Lazer. However I just decided to go look at an older game. His most recent scumgame according to the database was Fantasy Football 2 and towngame Russian Today. I believe I've heard before that Damdred doesn't engage his scum suspects when he's scum. In this game he has, so I wanted to collaborate that. First thing I notice in his scumgame is this: On October 23 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:
God thank you, I hated rolling scum in the game that just finished. Damdred totes town Joking about being town. The opposite and yet similar to what he did this game. Not sure what it means but it could be significant. In the game, he engages a few of his suspects at the start but then basically only starts conversing with GlowingBear and makes random oneliners here and there. In this game, he looks more engaged with a variety of other people rather than the narrow focus he had in FF. So, Russian Today: On November 28 2014 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys I'm town with great success.
I'm finishing up this service at work so I'm going to be catching up on break and posting thoughts Starts the other game with a joke about his alignment as well. Guess it has no significance after all. In Russian today he's a lot more insightful, engages a lot of people in discussion. In the Towngame he also asks a few seemingly silly questions, but that's hard to check since that'd require going through the thread and seeing if it makes sense and I aint got time for that. This game he looks more like Russian Today so I'm going to go with Damdred being town this game. This isn't true Artanis. Damdreds play in this game fits his scum meta. He is asking questions without clear intentions. His thoughts aren't well exposed in the thread. He just asks questions and let those answers drown in the thread. I read him more as null because he did things that looked townie, although I don't remember exactly what they were. There was a post of him that he asked people to give thoughts on when he got ignored, which I thought was townie. Reading through his filter in the Russian Today game he looked like he had a bunch of random questions without much purpose either. They seem to be rhetorical rather than clarifying in nature though. A few examples: On November 30 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Elvis's completely different playstyle
Reads on ezlynch players
Getting bailed out at the last moment
You're cum and I know it So my scum team is all the people who swiched to gb at the last minute? On November 30 2014 03:29 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 30 2014 03:23 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 30 2014 03:20 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 30 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Elvis's completely different playstyle
Reads on ezlynch players
Getting bailed out at the last moment
You're cum and I know it So my scum team is all the people who swiched to gb at the last minute? No, just JAT I see, to be truthful i was surprised people swiched off me and onto GB at the last second. My list of scummy people is debatable, if someone does something scummy though shouldn't you scum read them even if they are an easy lynch? I can't comment on elvis part It ain't scummy, it just has the appearance of being so So you don't think sno is acting scummy? I was talking about your reasoning on me I had more than one scum read and you made a general statement so you say you are just making these statements from OMGUS? On November 30 2014 08:13 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 08:11 justanothertownie wrote:On November 30 2014 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
if people can read that set of quotes and tell me damdred is town, i am all ears
that's all i care about now If he flips scum can we finally lynch HF then? When i flip town what then? Hm. The thing is that he doesn't do anything with those questions. There is a pattern on damdreds play which is clearly trying to solve the game. He gathers information and post a long post trying to solve it. I don't see it here. Specially late game, I don't think he is one to be so passive like he is now.
The problem with Damdred being scum is that it'd probably mean that Lazer is town and I find that a really difficult world to imagine.
Also, Palmar, why is Chez in your potential scum candidates? Did you miss this?
On January 12 2015 09:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:DP check these posts by Chyz, two of the last posts he made before ragequitting the game. + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2015 07:45 TheChyz wrote:Ok I'm back and refreshed a bit cause I think I was getting too emotionally invested for my own health. Anyways I still think we should lynch laser over geript. If anything we can just have geript lynched day 2 if he still continues to play the way he is, but it really seems like it is more out of not being too invested in the game. I still think geript is scummy but not as much as laser. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 01:19 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 01:07 Koshi wrote:On January 01 2015 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 00:53 Koshi wrote:On January 01 2015 00:50 Lazermonkey wrote:
Its not necesarily wrong with making a post saying that a discussion is stupid. The problem is when the only post you have is a post calling a discussion stupid. Why is it, after all the of the discussion and multiple people calling out rikoty, that all Chyz did was saying that the discussion was stupid? Just like Artanis said, why say "do something usefull" and proceed to do nothing yourself?
Granted, he did put up some reads later but only after he was called out.
Don't you think there is a scum motive in trying to look active while not really pushing the thread forward? Because I would argue that is what Chyz did. Show me a game in which Chyz is a townleader. My read on Chyz is not based on meta. I have never played nor read one of his games. Is this how he normaly plays as town you think? 2 people were doing something that nobody so far found useful for 20 posts in a row. 1 guy said to those 2 people to stop their shitposting and asks on of them to do something useful in 1 post. The 1 guy gets crap for doing not more pro-towns things in his 1 post and the 2 people who made 20 shitpost together are not discussed. --- I don't get it. Is it meta? Scum generally do exactly 1 protown thing in their post? I get that TheChyz could have also done more digging himself, create more content, actively question people and look for scum. But unless he has a meta for doing those things, I am already content with him doing the 1 thing. It's more than others. And like you said, he did scumhunting after that. It doesn't matter that people had to ask him for it. It is important that he did it, and I don't see you commenting on the value of those posts. You just say: "He did scumhunting because he was asked for it, so it doesn't count". The reason I asked if you knew his meta was because you dismissed my by implying that unless you generally act as a townleader, stuff like this isn't scummy. I disagree. Saying to two people that they should stop arguing over stupid shit is protown. But it is very non-commital. Its okay to do stuff like that as long as you are pushing scum as well. But Chyz wasn't hunting scum, not untill people called him out for not hunting scum. It does not matter if he scumhunted after he was called out. If you are town and get called out for that, you scum hunt because it helps town. If you are scum, you scum hunt to avoid suspicion. The fact that he started scum hunt after he got called out for it IS not alignment indicative. I feel what is relevant here is what his motive was. Its clear that he was reading the thread, its clear that he wrote a post, its clear that he didn't care to post any reads untill he got called out for it. What alignment does these action make sense from? So first he says it is scum mentality for doing all of this and then proceeds to say that what I did is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE and that the real problem is my motive? Unless you know what my motive is that is a HUGE jump to conclusions off of my first post. During this time in the thread people liked jumping on me and as such laser seems to be trying to find different angles to attack me from. More on this jumping onto the hype train later on. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. So this is super wishy washy to me. Not really attacking anybody or defending anybody (which is ok) but literally it sounds like im just reading a synopsis of what happened in the thread. Seems like someone not having reads but making some in order to look pro town (yes u can say im hypocrite, but I think i have given a few okish cases, kk?). Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters. I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read. However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum Well, if your argument is "you should be able to pick a more clear stance" I cannot argue against it. I don't feel like making up a read on any of them just to please you. Also, my read on Eden is not a scum read. He is null. Hmm, seems contradictory to a something a few posts ago. Really looks like trying not to give a real read and offer little to the town. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I dislike Koshi this far. Not only does his reads seem pretty off but he doesn't push geript one single bit, despite the fact that he is voting greipt. If you are town and think someone is scum but noone else is voting that person, you push that person. Koshi is not doing that.
I have to go now, will be able to post more tomorrow.
Same complaint that people use on me can be applied here. Says something, but has no point other than having something to make it seem like he is contributing to town. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi again.
I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can.
As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! Like i've said before, this is reading super "I'm sorry for doing what I did yesterday, forget about it and I will be town today. Lets lynch scum. GO TEAM GO". BLEH, try to hide more? Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 01:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm posting my thoughts as I go.
I said yesterday that I dislike Koshi. After looking at his filter, I still think he looks bad. He didn't post much since yesterday evening so most of this is simply rehashing.
1. (Palmar was already touching on this but I think its a strong point which is worth repeating)
Koshi was very very eager to defend Chyz in the early game. I'm not making any preflip associations here, but just by looking at his filter you can see how much time he spends on defending Chyz. This makes it looks like he is making alot of contributions (which in a sense he is) but he is in no way doing alot of scum hunting. Why is it that Koshi felt the ned to defend Chyz so hard in the first half of D1?
2. Not pushing geript despite voting him.
3. Afraid to actually call people scum. Instead saying things like "Your excuses come over scummy". Why not say YOU look scummy? Trying to set up a vote if possible, yet not pushing the lynch or having me against him as much as he could have. So this is pretty interesting. Seems like he is trying to push koshi a little but still not commiting. I don't have anything to add other than laser described himself perfectly in his 3rd point about koshi. Next immediately he forgets about koshi and goes onto geript. The only time before that he talked about geript is that he is slightly towny to him. So from going to leaning towny to super fine with lynching is a pretty big jump and his points he brings up don't merit that much of a jump. So what happened is koshi stuff died off a bit and then geript train was just starting. This would be a great vote for him if geript gets lynched because he was one of the first few but not the lynch starter so it seems like hes just trying to put himself in a good position if geript gets lynched. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
As for rikoty, I think he is mildly suspicious but not lynch worthy. He didn't really do anything but tunnel DH yesterday for a pretty retarded reason. By doing this, he essentially avoided talking about most other things. Making a massive list of all his reads is not bad, but with no follow up this isn't really helping us in any way.
I think he could be a potential candidate for lynch D2 though. "I looked at him, not lynch worthy, but lynch tmrw is ok". Seems like he is trying to give rikoty a free pass to live another day...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also following the general town wagon because rikoty not doing so hot so this gets him + town points. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.
Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.
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##Vote: geript So he drops his accusation on me (remember, at this point only dr.H was on my ass, everybody was mostly like, meh about me). Again super bandwagony. And up to this point his only real reads that I have seen that aren't rehashed stuff is a little on koshi (which also applies to him) so basically garbage. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 03:02 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:51 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:21 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:
Lynching Marv is a terrible idea btw. Elaborate. Basically what Artanis said. marv will be posting more on D2 no matter what alignment he is. We will be able to judge him better at that point. If he sucks then, sure I can kill him. To kill the strongest player because he is inactive D1, when there are legitimate reasons to be inactive, is hardly worth it. Besides, even if your really think he is a good target, do you really believe he is the BEST target? If marv is scum he will probably be happy to even survive day1. On January 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
You didn't even give a read on marv. I'm not super impressed by marvs play this fair but TBH I don't have a strong read on him nor do I prioritize getting a better read on him atm. My point still stands though, I'm not willing to kill the strongest player because he is playing bad/is inactive D1. I once thought so too but this logic is actually retarded. If he is the strongest player he may aswell show us that he is town. So you would rather kill someone for not playing the game the way you want it to be played than to actually kill the most likely scum? Besides, if you really think marv is playing that bad does it make him more scum? It doesn't make sense for scum marv to suck so I feel this is a flawed argument. Marvs towngame is to play well and very active. Marvs scumgame is to not do jackshit. What do you think he is doing this game? o.O really? I've never played with scum marv. I guess that makes your argument more valid. Still, do you think he is the BEST lynch for today? So from going from, "I'm not lynching till day 2 cause marv is a strong player and I don't have a read on him or is playing bad" into, "well people are talking about marv, might aswell seem interested now". And finally after getting his points for being suspicious of marv he goes back to saying that geript is the best lynch so far. Again this is all unoriginal and is just following w/e the thread seems to be heading towards. I have not seen him give a good reason why he thinks geript is scummy and he just follows the threads flow. Not doing any scum hunting and when does they are pretty weak cases. Always seems to agree with the general tone of the thread and never has anything useful to add. Just lurking on through while still pretending to be "active". Overall I think he is a better lynch the geript and I think people should at least look more indepth on him. Also I have a feeling the ritoky and him are buddied scum. Sorry for long post, I know how you guys hate it but I really think laser is the best lynch today. On January 02 2015 08:47 TheChyz wrote:
ya im done, this game has been such a mispleasure to play. Thanks dr.H, great game played by you. Best town player by far. You caught the scum. Here are my current notes btw.
koshi - too good at defending me and making no other good reads. hasnt really contributed anything to town. scummy
glowingbear - nada, not good sign
geript - null to scum. Started fine but I expected more. Not leading town like I remember.
Kinda just lurking but still in thread. Still nothing really. Expected more and his scum read on keslier is wtf?
Scummy
Artanis[XP] - somegood reads, some terrible ones. still making them and pushing them alright imo. towny.
lazermonkey - bandwagoned onto me. made garbage about other people. need actual reads and not garbage at this point in
the game. Tries to apologize, every post he makes makes him seem worse and worse. Tries to cover up his tracks.
scummy
marvellositty - apparently this great player but nada? something doesn't feel right. but terrible start can be excuse? slightly scummy
justanothertownie - bothers me with some posts but I can kinda feel his train of thought. leaning townny
Iamrobik - doesn't do anything but still in thread? weird. lazy. scummy
theChyz - SUPER TOWN
palmar - Keeps thread in good direction. If anything only look at day 3 since anything helping town (even if in wrong direction) is not worth a thought of lynching. town
damdred - nothing jumps out, feels way too much of doing nothing for my taste, null to slightly scummy
batsnacks - kinda weird play. posts sometimes good info, and then shit later. null
sicklucker - I don't really like any of his reads hes making and they all seem kinda out in left field. scummy-ish
vivax - don't like atm, not enough but just his posts are pretty off. scummy but weak at best
kelsierSC - seems to be steering the town whenever he talks, pretty clear train of thought. slightly town. I like him more now, just seems to keep towny vibe. town
ritoky - garbage opener, nothing since. garbage large post for no reason and terrible reads. scum
Dr.H - rode me hard but kinda like how I did when town. Town. Big d bag tho.
Eden1892 - nothing really sticks out too much, need to read closer, null. Also kinda just lurking around but does bring up good points every so ofter, towny.
RebirthOfLegend - nada, not good sign
Superbia - nada, not good sign
scum list if I had to pick:
-lazermonkey
-ritoky
-geript
-koshi
-a lurker/sicklucker/damdred
##Vote: TheChyz Do you find it reasonable to believe that a scumplayer would actually ragequit like this? The slot is pretty much confirmed town imo.
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Marv why do you still suspect Vivax? He's got a longer filter than you and he has similar problems with volume posting as scum.
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confirmed town is really a stretch. more townie than mafia on probabilities, definitely.
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On January 13 2015 01:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On January 13 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:On January 13 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 06 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2015 00:44 Damdred wrote:
Ok just caught up and woke up,
I am upset at you SL, if you are trying to draw a bullet you do not unclaim during the night you let the medic make the wifom decision. I'll talk more about this tomorrow if it comes up.
I'll be honest though I really hate it how vivax and LM hard defended super during the eod, i'm not really sure why you shouldn't be ok to lynch super. Kels reasoning I think made sense to me, he didn't hard defend super.
Because of this post, if super is mafia, you are too.Also I'm honestly going to just chill. There is literally no one being not bad in this town at the moment. Everyone has either lynched townies, or failed to push alternative lynches. This means mafia has no idea whom to shoot tonight, because the doc save is guaranteed. So I guess I'll just see who they shoot, and figure the game out tomorrow. I may start reading tonight, but I'm not going to conclude much for now. Why did you arrive at this conclusion? Damdred is asking a lot of "clarifying" questions, you're right, and that along with his opposite reads on Dr.H and Ritoky does point to scum. However he did hop on the Superbia lynch over two town wagons and did not stray which I feel offsets it a bit. I also like how he's gone after Lazer. However I just decided to go look at an older game. His most recent scumgame according to the database was Fantasy Football 2 and towngame Russian Today. I believe I've heard before that Damdred doesn't engage his scum suspects when he's scum. In this game he has, so I wanted to collaborate that. First thing I notice in his scumgame is this: On October 23 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:
God thank you, I hated rolling scum in the game that just finished. Damdred totes town Joking about being town. The opposite and yet similar to what he did this game. Not sure what it means but it could be significant. In the game, he engages a few of his suspects at the start but then basically only starts conversing with GlowingBear and makes random oneliners here and there. In this game, he looks more engaged with a variety of other people rather than the narrow focus he had in FF. So, Russian Today: On November 28 2014 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys I'm town with great success.
I'm finishing up this service at work so I'm going to be catching up on break and posting thoughts Starts the other game with a joke about his alignment as well. Guess it has no significance after all. In Russian today he's a lot more insightful, engages a lot of people in discussion. In the Towngame he also asks a few seemingly silly questions, but that's hard to check since that'd require going through the thread and seeing if it makes sense and I aint got time for that. This game he looks more like Russian Today so I'm going to go with Damdred being town this game. This isn't true Artanis. Damdreds play in this game fits his scum meta. He is asking questions without clear intentions. His thoughts aren't well exposed in the thread. He just asks questions and let those answers drown in the thread. I read him more as null because he did things that looked townie, although I don't remember exactly what they were. There was a post of him that he asked people to give thoughts on when he got ignored, which I thought was townie. Reading through his filter in the Russian Today game he looked like he had a bunch of random questions without much purpose either. They seem to be rhetorical rather than clarifying in nature though. A few examples: On November 30 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Elvis's completely different playstyle
Reads on ezlynch players
Getting bailed out at the last moment
You're cum and I know it So my scum team is all the people who swiched to gb at the last minute? On November 30 2014 03:29 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 30 2014 03:23 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 30 2014 03:20 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 30 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:
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So my scum team is all the people who swiched to gb at the last minute?
No, just JAT I see, to be truthful i was surprised people swiched off me and onto GB at the last second. My list of scummy people is debatable, if someone does something scummy though shouldn't you scum read them even if they are an easy lynch? I can't comment on elvis part It ain't scummy, it just has the appearance of being so So you don't think sno is acting scummy? I was talking about your reasoning on me I had more than one scum read and you made a general statement so you say you are just making these statements from OMGUS? On November 30 2014 08:13 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 08:11 justanothertownie wrote:On November 30 2014 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
if people can read that set of quotes and tell me damdred is town, i am all ears
that's all i care about now If he flips scum can we finally lynch HF then? When i flip town what then? Hm. The thing is that he doesn't do anything with those questions. There is a pattern on damdreds play which is clearly trying to solve the game. He gathers information and post a long post trying to solve it. I don't see it here. Specially late game, I don't think he is one to be so passive like he is now. The problem with Damdred being scum is that it'd probably mean that Lazer is town and I find that a really difficult world to imagine. Also, Palmar, why is Chez in your potential scum candidates? Did you miss this? Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 09:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:DP check these posts by Chyz, two of the last posts he made before ragequitting the game. + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2015 07:45 TheChyz wrote:Ok I'm back and refreshed a bit cause I think I was getting too emotionally invested for my own health. Anyways I still think we should lynch laser over geript. If anything we can just have geript lynched day 2 if he still continues to play the way he is, but it really seems like it is more out of not being too invested in the game. I still think geript is scummy but not as much as laser. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 01:19 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 01:07 Koshi wrote:On January 01 2015 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 00:53 Koshi wrote:On January 01 2015 00:50 Lazermonkey wrote:
Its not necesarily wrong with making a post saying that a discussion is stupid. The problem is when the only post you have is a post calling a discussion stupid. Why is it, after all the of the discussion and multiple people calling out rikoty, that all Chyz did was saying that the discussion was stupid? Just like Artanis said, why say "do something usefull" and proceed to do nothing yourself?
Granted, he did put up some reads later but only after he was called out.
Don't you think there is a scum motive in trying to look active while not really pushing the thread forward? Because I would argue that is what Chyz did. Show me a game in which Chyz is a townleader. My read on Chyz is not based on meta. I have never played nor read one of his games. Is this how he normaly plays as town you think? 2 people were doing something that nobody so far found useful for 20 posts in a row. 1 guy said to those 2 people to stop their shitposting and asks on of them to do something useful in 1 post. The 1 guy gets crap for doing not more pro-towns things in his 1 post and the 2 people who made 20 shitpost together are not discussed. --- I don't get it. Is it meta? Scum generally do exactly 1 protown thing in their post? I get that TheChyz could have also done more digging himself, create more content, actively question people and look for scum. But unless he has a meta for doing those things, I am already content with him doing the 1 thing. It's more than others. And like you said, he did scumhunting after that. It doesn't matter that people had to ask him for it. It is important that he did it, and I don't see you commenting on the value of those posts. You just say: "He did scumhunting because he was asked for it, so it doesn't count". The reason I asked if you knew his meta was because you dismissed my by implying that unless you generally act as a townleader, stuff like this isn't scummy. I disagree. Saying to two people that they should stop arguing over stupid shit is protown. But it is very non-commital. Its okay to do stuff like that as long as you are pushing scum as well. But Chyz wasn't hunting scum, not untill people called him out for not hunting scum. It does not matter if he scumhunted after he was called out. If you are town and get called out for that, you scum hunt because it helps town. If you are scum, you scum hunt to avoid suspicion. The fact that he started scum hunt after he got called out for it IS not alignment indicative. I feel what is relevant here is what his motive was. Its clear that he was reading the thread, its clear that he wrote a post, its clear that he didn't care to post any reads untill he got called out for it. What alignment does these action make sense from? So first he says it is scum mentality for doing all of this and then proceeds to say that what I did is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE and that the real problem is my motive? Unless you know what my motive is that is a HUGE jump to conclusions off of my first post. During this time in the thread people liked jumping on me and as such laser seems to be trying to find different angles to attack me from. More on this jumping onto the hype train later on. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. So this is super wishy washy to me. Not really attacking anybody or defending anybody (which is ok) but literally it sounds like im just reading a synopsis of what happened in the thread. Seems like someone not having reads but making some in order to look pro town (yes u can say im hypocrite, but I think i have given a few okish cases, kk?). Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters. I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read. However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum Well, if your argument is "you should be able to pick a more clear stance" I cannot argue against it. I don't feel like making up a read on any of them just to please you. Also, my read on Eden is not a scum read. He is null. Hmm, seems contradictory to a something a few posts ago. Really looks like trying not to give a real read and offer little to the town. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I dislike Koshi this far. Not only does his reads seem pretty off but he doesn't push geript one single bit, despite the fact that he is voting greipt. If you are town and think someone is scum but noone else is voting that person, you push that person. Koshi is not doing that.
I have to go now, will be able to post more tomorrow.
Same complaint that people use on me can be applied here. Says something, but has no point other than having something to make it seem like he is contributing to town. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi again.
I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can.
As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! Like i've said before, this is reading super "I'm sorry for doing what I did yesterday, forget about it and I will be town today. Lets lynch scum. GO TEAM GO". BLEH, try to hide more? Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 01:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm posting my thoughts as I go.
I said yesterday that I dislike Koshi. After looking at his filter, I still think he looks bad. He didn't post much since yesterday evening so most of this is simply rehashing.
1. (Palmar was already touching on this but I think its a strong point which is worth repeating)
Koshi was very very eager to defend Chyz in the early game. I'm not making any preflip associations here, but just by looking at his filter you can see how much time he spends on defending Chyz. This makes it looks like he is making alot of contributions (which in a sense he is) but he is in no way doing alot of scum hunting. Why is it that Koshi felt the ned to defend Chyz so hard in the first half of D1?
2. Not pushing geript despite voting him.
3. Afraid to actually call people scum. Instead saying things like "Your excuses come over scummy". Why not say YOU look scummy? Trying to set up a vote if possible, yet not pushing the lynch or having me against him as much as he could have. So this is pretty interesting. Seems like he is trying to push koshi a little but still not commiting. I don't have anything to add other than laser described himself perfectly in his 3rd point about koshi. Next immediately he forgets about koshi and goes onto geript. The only time before that he talked about geript is that he is slightly towny to him. So from going to leaning towny to super fine with lynching is a pretty big jump and his points he brings up don't merit that much of a jump. So what happened is koshi stuff died off a bit and then geript train was just starting. This would be a great vote for him if geript gets lynched because he was one of the first few but not the lynch starter so it seems like hes just trying to put himself in a good position if geript gets lynched. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
As for rikoty, I think he is mildly suspicious but not lynch worthy. He didn't really do anything but tunnel DH yesterday for a pretty retarded reason. By doing this, he essentially avoided talking about most other things. Making a massive list of all his reads is not bad, but with no follow up this isn't really helping us in any way.
I think he could be a potential candidate for lynch D2 though. "I looked at him, not lynch worthy, but lynch tmrw is ok". Seems like he is trying to give rikoty a free pass to live another day...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also following the general town wagon because rikoty not doing so hot so this gets him + town points. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.
Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.
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##Vote: geript So he drops his accusation on me (remember, at this point only dr.H was on my ass, everybody was mostly like, meh about me). Again super bandwagony. And up to this point his only real reads that I have seen that aren't rehashed stuff is a little on koshi (which also applies to him) so basically garbage. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 03:02 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:51 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:21 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:
Lynching Marv is a terrible idea btw. Elaborate. Basically what Artanis said. marv will be posting more on D2 no matter what alignment he is. We will be able to judge him better at that point. If he sucks then, sure I can kill him. To kill the strongest player because he is inactive D1, when there are legitimate reasons to be inactive, is hardly worth it. Besides, even if your really think he is a good target, do you really believe he is the BEST target? If marv is scum he will probably be happy to even survive day1. On January 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
You didn't even give a read on marv. I'm not super impressed by marvs play this fair but TBH I don't have a strong read on him nor do I prioritize getting a better read on him atm. My point still stands though, I'm not willing to kill the strongest player because he is playing bad/is inactive D1. I once thought so too but this logic is actually retarded. If he is the strongest player he may aswell show us that he is town. So you would rather kill someone for not playing the game the way you want it to be played than to actually kill the most likely scum? Besides, if you really think marv is playing that bad does it make him more scum? It doesn't make sense for scum marv to suck so I feel this is a flawed argument. Marvs towngame is to play well and very active. Marvs scumgame is to not do jackshit. What do you think he is doing this game? o.O really? I've never played with scum marv. I guess that makes your argument more valid. Still, do you think he is the BEST lynch for today? So from going from, "I'm not lynching till day 2 cause marv is a strong player and I don't have a read on him or is playing bad" into, "well people are talking about marv, might aswell seem interested now". And finally after getting his points for being suspicious of marv he goes back to saying that geript is the best lynch so far. Again this is all unoriginal and is just following w/e the thread seems to be heading towards. I have not seen him give a good reason why he thinks geript is scummy and he just follows the threads flow. Not doing any scum hunting and when does they are pretty weak cases. Always seems to agree with the general tone of the thread and never has anything useful to add. Just lurking on through while still pretending to be "active". Overall I think he is a better lynch the geript and I think people should at least look more indepth on him. Also I have a feeling the ritoky and him are buddied scum. Sorry for long post, I know how you guys hate it but I really think laser is the best lynch today. On January 02 2015 08:47 TheChyz wrote:
ya im done, this game has been such a mispleasure to play. Thanks dr.H, great game played by you. Best town player by far. You caught the scum. Here are my current notes btw.
koshi - too good at defending me and making no other good reads. hasnt really contributed anything to town. scummy
glowingbear - nada, not good sign
geript - null to scum. Started fine but I expected more. Not leading town like I remember.
Kinda just lurking but still in thread. Still nothing really. Expected more and his scum read on keslier is wtf?
Scummy
Artanis[XP] - somegood reads, some terrible ones. still making them and pushing them alright imo. towny.
lazermonkey - bandwagoned onto me. made garbage about other people. need actual reads and not garbage at this point in
the game. Tries to apologize, every post he makes makes him seem worse and worse. Tries to cover up his tracks.
scummy
marvellositty - apparently this great player but nada? something doesn't feel right. but terrible start can be excuse? slightly scummy
justanothertownie - bothers me with some posts but I can kinda feel his train of thought. leaning townny
Iamrobik - doesn't do anything but still in thread? weird. lazy. scummy
theChyz - SUPER TOWN
palmar - Keeps thread in good direction. If anything only look at day 3 since anything helping town (even if in wrong direction) is not worth a thought of lynching. town
damdred - nothing jumps out, feels way too much of doing nothing for my taste, null to slightly scummy
batsnacks - kinda weird play. posts sometimes good info, and then shit later. null
sicklucker - I don't really like any of his reads hes making and they all seem kinda out in left field. scummy-ish
vivax - don't like atm, not enough but just his posts are pretty off. scummy but weak at best
kelsierSC - seems to be steering the town whenever he talks, pretty clear train of thought. slightly town. I like him more now, just seems to keep towny vibe. town
ritoky - garbage opener, nothing since. garbage large post for no reason and terrible reads. scum
Dr.H - rode me hard but kinda like how I did when town. Town. Big d bag tho.
Eden1892 - nothing really sticks out too much, need to read closer, null. Also kinda just lurking around but does bring up good points every so ofter, towny.
RebirthOfLegend - nada, not good sign
Superbia - nada, not good sign
scum list if I had to pick:
-lazermonkey
-ritoky
-geript
-koshi
-a lurker/sicklucker/damdred
##Vote: TheChyz Do you find it reasonable to believe that a scumplayer would actually ragequit like this? The slot is pretty much confirmed town imo.
It's unlikely, and I think I even defended him on day 1.
But it's been a long time since day 1. I can't say with any sort of conviction he's town.
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On January 13 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Marv why do you still suspect Vivax? He's got a longer filter than you and he has similar problems with volume posting as scum.
because the people above him are townier
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Like his thing is not that he's mafia, it's just that I can't know he's town.
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I don't know if it's eerie that marv says a lot of things I think (regarding chyz/chez etc).
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On January 13 2015 01:52 Palmar wrote:
I don't know if it's eerie that marv says a lot of things I think (regarding chyz/chez etc).
100% spooky
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On January 13 2015 01:50 marvellosity wrote:
confirmed town is really a stretch. more townie than mafia on probabilities, definitely.
On January 13 2015 01:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 01:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 01:46 GlowingBear wrote:On January 13 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:On January 13 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 06 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2015 00:44 Damdred wrote:
Ok just caught up and woke up,
I am upset at you SL, if you are trying to draw a bullet you do not unclaim during the night you let the medic make the wifom decision. I'll talk more about this tomorrow if it comes up.
I'll be honest though I really hate it how vivax and LM hard defended super during the eod, i'm not really sure why you shouldn't be ok to lynch super. Kels reasoning I think made sense to me, he didn't hard defend super.
Because of this post, if super is mafia, you are too.Also I'm honestly going to just chill. There is literally no one being not bad in this town at the moment. Everyone has either lynched townies, or failed to push alternative lynches. This means mafia has no idea whom to shoot tonight, because the doc save is guaranteed. So I guess I'll just see who they shoot, and figure the game out tomorrow. I may start reading tonight, but I'm not going to conclude much for now. Why did you arrive at this conclusion? Damdred is asking a lot of "clarifying" questions, you're right, and that along with his opposite reads on Dr.H and Ritoky does point to scum. However he did hop on the Superbia lynch over two town wagons and did not stray which I feel offsets it a bit. I also like how he's gone after Lazer. However I just decided to go look at an older game. His most recent scumgame according to the database was Fantasy Football 2 and towngame Russian Today. I believe I've heard before that Damdred doesn't engage his scum suspects when he's scum. In this game he has, so I wanted to collaborate that. First thing I notice in his scumgame is this: On October 23 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:
God thank you, I hated rolling scum in the game that just finished. Damdred totes town Joking about being town. The opposite and yet similar to what he did this game. Not sure what it means but it could be significant. In the game, he engages a few of his suspects at the start but then basically only starts conversing with GlowingBear and makes random oneliners here and there. In this game, he looks more engaged with a variety of other people rather than the narrow focus he had in FF. So, Russian Today: On November 28 2014 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys I'm town with great success.
I'm finishing up this service at work so I'm going to be catching up on break and posting thoughts Starts the other game with a joke about his alignment as well. Guess it has no significance after all. In Russian today he's a lot more insightful, engages a lot of people in discussion. In the Towngame he also asks a few seemingly silly questions, but that's hard to check since that'd require going through the thread and seeing if it makes sense and I aint got time for that. This game he looks more like Russian Today so I'm going to go with Damdred being town this game. This isn't true Artanis. Damdreds play in this game fits his scum meta. He is asking questions without clear intentions. His thoughts aren't well exposed in the thread. He just asks questions and let those answers drown in the thread. I read him more as null because he did things that looked townie, although I don't remember exactly what they were. There was a post of him that he asked people to give thoughts on when he got ignored, which I thought was townie. Reading through his filter in the Russian Today game he looked like he had a bunch of random questions without much purpose either. They seem to be rhetorical rather than clarifying in nature though. A few examples: On November 30 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Elvis's completely different playstyle
Reads on ezlynch players
Getting bailed out at the last moment
You're cum and I know it So my scum team is all the people who swiched to gb at the last minute? On November 30 2014 03:29 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 30 2014 03:23 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 30 2014 03:20 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 03:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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No, just JAT I see, to be truthful i was surprised people swiched off me and onto GB at the last second. My list of scummy people is debatable, if someone does something scummy though shouldn't you scum read them even if they are an easy lynch? I can't comment on elvis part It ain't scummy, it just has the appearance of being so So you don't think sno is acting scummy? I was talking about your reasoning on me I had more than one scum read and you made a general statement so you say you are just making these statements from OMGUS? On November 30 2014 08:13 Damdred wrote:On November 30 2014 08:11 justanothertownie wrote:On November 30 2014 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
if people can read that set of quotes and tell me damdred is town, i am all ears
that's all i care about now If he flips scum can we finally lynch HF then? When i flip town what then? Hm. The thing is that he doesn't do anything with those questions. There is a pattern on damdreds play which is clearly trying to solve the game. He gathers information and post a long post trying to solve it. I don't see it here. Specially late game, I don't think he is one to be so passive like he is now. The problem with Damdred being scum is that it'd probably mean that Lazer is town and I find that a really difficult world to imagine. Also, Palmar, why is Chez in your potential scum candidates? Did you miss this? On January 12 2015 09:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:DP check these posts by Chyz, two of the last posts he made before ragequitting the game. + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2015 07:45 TheChyz wrote:Ok I'm back and refreshed a bit cause I think I was getting too emotionally invested for my own health. Anyways I still think we should lynch laser over geript. If anything we can just have geript lynched day 2 if he still continues to play the way he is, but it really seems like it is more out of not being too invested in the game. I still think geript is scummy but not as much as laser. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 01:19 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 01:07 Koshi wrote:On January 01 2015 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 00:53 Koshi wrote:On January 01 2015 00:50 Lazermonkey wrote:
Its not necesarily wrong with making a post saying that a discussion is stupid. The problem is when the only post you have is a post calling a discussion stupid. Why is it, after all the of the discussion and multiple people calling out rikoty, that all Chyz did was saying that the discussion was stupid? Just like Artanis said, why say "do something usefull" and proceed to do nothing yourself?
Granted, he did put up some reads later but only after he was called out.
Don't you think there is a scum motive in trying to look active while not really pushing the thread forward? Because I would argue that is what Chyz did. Show me a game in which Chyz is a townleader. My read on Chyz is not based on meta. I have never played nor read one of his games. Is this how he normaly plays as town you think? 2 people were doing something that nobody so far found useful for 20 posts in a row. 1 guy said to those 2 people to stop their shitposting and asks on of them to do something useful in 1 post. The 1 guy gets crap for doing not more pro-towns things in his 1 post and the 2 people who made 20 shitpost together are not discussed. --- I don't get it. Is it meta? Scum generally do exactly 1 protown thing in their post? I get that TheChyz could have also done more digging himself, create more content, actively question people and look for scum. But unless he has a meta for doing those things, I am already content with him doing the 1 thing. It's more than others. And like you said, he did scumhunting after that. It doesn't matter that people had to ask him for it. It is important that he did it, and I don't see you commenting on the value of those posts. You just say: "He did scumhunting because he was asked for it, so it doesn't count". The reason I asked if you knew his meta was because you dismissed my by implying that unless you generally act as a townleader, stuff like this isn't scummy. I disagree. Saying to two people that they should stop arguing over stupid shit is protown. But it is very non-commital. Its okay to do stuff like that as long as you are pushing scum as well. But Chyz wasn't hunting scum, not untill people called him out for not hunting scum. It does not matter if he scumhunted after he was called out. If you are town and get called out for that, you scum hunt because it helps town. If you are scum, you scum hunt to avoid suspicion. The fact that he started scum hunt after he got called out for it IS not alignment indicative. I feel what is relevant here is what his motive was. Its clear that he was reading the thread, its clear that he wrote a post, its clear that he didn't care to post any reads untill he got called out for it. What alignment does these action make sense from? So first he says it is scum mentality for doing all of this and then proceeds to say that what I did is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE and that the real problem is my motive? Unless you know what my motive is that is a HUGE jump to conclusions off of my first post. During this time in the thread people liked jumping on me and as such laser seems to be trying to find different angles to attack me from. More on this jumping onto the hype train later on. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. So this is super wishy washy to me. Not really attacking anybody or defending anybody (which is ok) but literally it sounds like im just reading a synopsis of what happened in the thread. Seems like someone not having reads but making some in order to look pro town (yes u can say im hypocrite, but I think i have given a few okish cases, kk?). Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters. I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read. However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum Well, if your argument is "you should be able to pick a more clear stance" I cannot argue against it. I don't feel like making up a read on any of them just to please you. Also, my read on Eden is not a scum read. He is null. Hmm, seems contradictory to a something a few posts ago. Really looks like trying not to give a real read and offer little to the town. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I dislike Koshi this far. Not only does his reads seem pretty off but he doesn't push geript one single bit, despite the fact that he is voting greipt. If you are town and think someone is scum but noone else is voting that person, you push that person. Koshi is not doing that.
I have to go now, will be able to post more tomorrow.
Same complaint that people use on me can be applied here. Says something, but has no point other than having something to make it seem like he is contributing to town. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi again.
I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can.
As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! Like i've said before, this is reading super "I'm sorry for doing what I did yesterday, forget about it and I will be town today. Lets lynch scum. GO TEAM GO". BLEH, try to hide more? Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 01:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm posting my thoughts as I go.
I said yesterday that I dislike Koshi. After looking at his filter, I still think he looks bad. He didn't post much since yesterday evening so most of this is simply rehashing.
1. (Palmar was already touching on this but I think its a strong point which is worth repeating)
Koshi was very very eager to defend Chyz in the early game. I'm not making any preflip associations here, but just by looking at his filter you can see how much time he spends on defending Chyz. This makes it looks like he is making alot of contributions (which in a sense he is) but he is in no way doing alot of scum hunting. Why is it that Koshi felt the ned to defend Chyz so hard in the first half of D1?
2. Not pushing geript despite voting him.
3. Afraid to actually call people scum. Instead saying things like "Your excuses come over scummy". Why not say YOU look scummy? Trying to set up a vote if possible, yet not pushing the lynch or having me against him as much as he could have. So this is pretty interesting. Seems like he is trying to push koshi a little but still not commiting. I don't have anything to add other than laser described himself perfectly in his 3rd point about koshi. Next immediately he forgets about koshi and goes onto geript. The only time before that he talked about geript is that he is slightly towny to him. So from going to leaning towny to super fine with lynching is a pretty big jump and his points he brings up don't merit that much of a jump. So what happened is koshi stuff died off a bit and then geript train was just starting. This would be a great vote for him if geript gets lynched because he was one of the first few but not the lynch starter so it seems like hes just trying to put himself in a good position if geript gets lynched. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
As for rikoty, I think he is mildly suspicious but not lynch worthy. He didn't really do anything but tunnel DH yesterday for a pretty retarded reason. By doing this, he essentially avoided talking about most other things. Making a massive list of all his reads is not bad, but with no follow up this isn't really helping us in any way.
I think he could be a potential candidate for lynch D2 though. "I looked at him, not lynch worthy, but lynch tmrw is ok". Seems like he is trying to give rikoty a free pass to live another day...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also following the general town wagon because rikoty not doing so hot so this gets him + town points. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.
Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.
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##Vote: geript So he drops his accusation on me (remember, at this point only dr.H was on my ass, everybody was mostly like, meh about me). Again super bandwagony. And up to this point his only real reads that I have seen that aren't rehashed stuff is a little on koshi (which also applies to him) so basically garbage. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 03:02 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:51 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:21 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote:
Lynching Marv is a terrible idea btw. Elaborate. Basically what Artanis said. marv will be posting more on D2 no matter what alignment he is. We will be able to judge him better at that point. If he sucks then, sure I can kill him. To kill the strongest player because he is inactive D1, when there are legitimate reasons to be inactive, is hardly worth it. Besides, even if your really think he is a good target, do you really believe he is the BEST target? If marv is scum he will probably be happy to even survive day1. On January 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
You didn't even give a read on marv. I'm not super impressed by marvs play this fair but TBH I don't have a strong read on him nor do I prioritize getting a better read on him atm. My point still stands though, I'm not willing to kill the strongest player because he is playing bad/is inactive D1. I once thought so too but this logic is actually retarded. If he is the strongest player he may aswell show us that he is town. So you would rather kill someone for not playing the game the way you want it to be played than to actually kill the most likely scum? Besides, if you really think marv is playing that bad does it make him more scum? It doesn't make sense for scum marv to suck so I feel this is a flawed argument. Marvs towngame is to play well and very active. Marvs scumgame is to not do jackshit. What do you think he is doing this game? o.O really? I've never played with scum marv. I guess that makes your argument more valid. Still, do you think he is the BEST lynch for today? So from going from, "I'm not lynching till day 2 cause marv is a strong player and I don't have a read on him or is playing bad" into, "well people are talking about marv, might aswell seem interested now". And finally after getting his points for being suspicious of marv he goes back to saying that geript is the best lynch so far. Again this is all unoriginal and is just following w/e the thread seems to be heading towards. I have not seen him give a good reason why he thinks geript is scummy and he just follows the threads flow. Not doing any scum hunting and when does they are pretty weak cases. Always seems to agree with the general tone of the thread and never has anything useful to add. Just lurking on through while still pretending to be "active". Overall I think he is a better lynch the geript and I think people should at least look more indepth on him. Also I have a feeling the ritoky and him are buddied scum. Sorry for long post, I know how you guys hate it but I really think laser is the best lynch today. On January 02 2015 08:47 TheChyz wrote:
ya im done, this game has been such a mispleasure to play. Thanks dr.H, great game played by you. Best town player by far. You caught the scum. Here are my current notes btw.
koshi - too good at defending me and making no other good reads. hasnt really contributed anything to town. scummy
glowingbear - nada, not good sign
geript - null to scum. Started fine but I expected more. Not leading town like I remember.
Kinda just lurking but still in thread. Still nothing really. Expected more and his scum read on keslier is wtf?
Scummy
Artanis[XP] - somegood reads, some terrible ones. still making them and pushing them alright imo. towny.
lazermonkey - bandwagoned onto me. made garbage about other people. need actual reads and not garbage at this point in
the game. Tries to apologize, every post he makes makes him seem worse and worse. Tries to cover up his tracks.
scummy
marvellositty - apparently this great player but nada? something doesn't feel right. but terrible start can be excuse? slightly scummy
justanothertownie - bothers me with some posts but I can kinda feel his train of thought. leaning townny
Iamrobik - doesn't do anything but still in thread? weird. lazy. scummy
theChyz - SUPER TOWN
palmar - Keeps thread in good direction. If anything only look at day 3 since anything helping town (even if in wrong direction) is not worth a thought of lynching. town
damdred - nothing jumps out, feels way too much of doing nothing for my taste, null to slightly scummy
batsnacks - kinda weird play. posts sometimes good info, and then shit later. null
sicklucker - I don't really like any of his reads hes making and they all seem kinda out in left field. scummy-ish
vivax - don't like atm, not enough but just his posts are pretty off. scummy but weak at best
kelsierSC - seems to be steering the town whenever he talks, pretty clear train of thought. slightly town. I like him more now, just seems to keep towny vibe. town
ritoky - garbage opener, nothing since. garbage large post for no reason and terrible reads. scum
Dr.H - rode me hard but kinda like how I did when town. Town. Big d bag tho.
Eden1892 - nothing really sticks out too much, need to read closer, null. Also kinda just lurking around but does bring up good points every so ofter, towny.
RebirthOfLegend - nada, not good sign
Superbia - nada, not good sign
scum list if I had to pick:
-lazermonkey
-ritoky
-geript
-koshi
-a lurker/sicklucker/damdred
##Vote: TheChyz Do you find it reasonable to believe that a scumplayer would actually ragequit like this? The slot is pretty much confirmed town imo. It's unlikely, and I think I even defended him on day 1. But it's been a long time since day 1. I can't say with any sort of conviction he's town.
Chez replaced into the slot though, and you know what to expect from Chez which makes developing that read pretty tough. I don't feel like time elapsing has any bearing on the initial read. I have a really hard time seeing Chyz be scum from those two posts though.
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Besides I could never lynch Chez. He's my friend. Friends don't lynch each other.
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Hum I think we kill lm first if palmer survives his sentencing I think that gives us the most information and he probably totally slipped on d2 and we shoulda lynched him then.
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I actually expect more from Chez than what he's given us if he's town, but the town-allure from the Chyz ragequit is quite strong.
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On January 13 2015 01:55 sicklucker wrote:
Hum I think we kill lm first if palmer survives his sentencing I think that gives us the most information and he probably totally slipped on d2 and we shoulda lynched him then.
linky?
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I agree that lynching LM is probably the best thing to do today. I still want Palmar's stance on him first though.
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Chez is also my friend, and he has also said some very townie things which is hard for him to do.
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On January 13 2015 01:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 01:55 sicklucker wrote:
Hum I think we kill lm first if palmer survives his sentencing I think that gives us the most information and he probably totally slipped on d2 and we shoulda lynched him then. linky?
Links kind of pointless without the context. Basicly on d2 out of nowhere he said "hey ritoky can you stop with this cop stuff im trying to survive the lynch today"
This was as ritoky was questioning my uncced cop green check on lm. Its out of context because Lm was never considered for a lynch that day . It could be he ment to type that in scumqt but its not enough to kill him on this alone.
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The most damning thing about LM is that a lot of people have been suspecting him all game long but he never garnered any votes.
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On January 13 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote:
Chez is also my friend, and he has also said some very townie things which is hard for him to do.
Like?
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I think a more damning thing on lm is that when I green checked him mafia thought it was a good idea to attack an un cced cop. Like they look really bad If im the real cop. I think they knew I was fake because I green checked their partner (LM).
A huge reason they died is because all they did day2-3 was try to put scum on me. Bad strategy but that was their strategy I think they assumed because I faked cop people would want to lynch me and they would look town for being the first people to lynch me.
If that makes any sense
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