EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 99
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rsoultin
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liancourt
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why is tube even a contender for lynch? what makes him scummy? | ||
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rsoultin
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He's a brand new player so in general I'm giving him more leeway than others...but I can see their point. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On December 13 2014 09:36 rsoultin wrote: Lol, mafia never kills VTs? Not even to take a present that you broadcasted to the entire thread out of play? You're not thinking of all the possibilities, SL, and you have a nasty habit of scumreading anyone who disagrees with you. Tell me where the hole in my logic is. What? Mafia had no idea I sent it to dandred. He even made a NO ONE SENT ME A PRESENT post. I just said I sent it to someone I town read. I never town read anyone this game lol. Like vote tube im probably out of posts but i have made a decent case go through my filter . His reads are bad and he made a horrible perfect information slip. Pre game he says there is likely 6 mafia in this setup. After he gets his role he says there is 5 mafia multiple times. Get rekt | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On December 13 2014 09:39 rsoultin wrote: People think he scum-slipped by saying there were 5 mafia up for lynch @ liancourt He's a brand new player so in general I'm giving him more leeway than others...but I can see their point. New players dont guess theres 6 mafia pregame they ask people what they think. And they certainly dont change their mind that theres 5 mafia after. New players slip the most anyways. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote: 2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.- Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand. Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this?? Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia. Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush Seriously guys. I haven't seen such and inconsistency game from holyflare. | ||
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Vivax
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In this game he has 1 page of filter and is constantly under the radar, doesn't try to have an impact on the game, and makes his entrance just pre-deadline for no particular given reason/excuse. | ||
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rsoultin
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On December 09 2014 11:54 sicklucker wrote: Think about it the Joyful Child role has no description but it is a role its basically vanilla town 2.0. I have a present and im a joyful child it adds up. Its pretty obvious. Im pretty sure something dandred said makes me ride or die with him maybe gb too. Let me look it up. Then: On December 09 2014 12:01 sicklucker wrote: Also Gb didnt get my child reference HE IS NOT OF THE CHILDREN. i need to stop spamming small posts for there is a limit Then: On December 10 2014 00:52 sicklucker wrote: Also Gb just said hes a role for no reason. Wtf man do not open that present. Then: On December 10 2014 01:02 sicklucker wrote: Ok I just sent my gift now to someone im sure is town and not going to get killed tonight. Open it if you think im town its not the death present I think. I think a mafia starts with that one but im not sure. You thought GB had claimed a role, you already said you'd ride or die with Damdred, and you say in your last post that you're sure they're town and won't be killed. Tell me that's not obvious? Pretty sure the only other you even mention as a townread before you said you sent your gift was HF. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On December 13 2014 09:56 Vivax wrote: Trfel is a decent lynch as well. I coached the guy when he was town in student mafia and he made high quality posts on day 1, leading him to be townread by the majority and subsequently nightkilled by the mafia on N1. In this game he has 1 page of filter and is constantly under the radar, doesn't try to have an impact on the game, and makes his entrance just pre-deadline for no particular given reason/excuse. seconded I was the one who town read him off one post that meta read on bats lol like who does that. Also this read tells me your town. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 13 2014 09:55 GlowingBear wrote: Seriously guys. I haven't seen such and inconsistency game from holyflare. What's inconsistent here? Help me out. He's saying you're null leaning scum, at least as far as I can tell. | ||
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liancourt
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On December 13 2014 09:39 rsoultin wrote: People think he scum-slipped by saying there were 5 mafia up for lynch @ liancourt He's a brand new player so in general I'm giving him more leeway than others...but I can see their point. for real that it? i thought nothing of that post and just went over it. I was also assuming that there's around 5 scum in 26 player setup. i thought there was something in his playstyle that was scummy with all the votes on him. | ||
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rsoultin
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On December 13 2014 10:06 liancourt wrote: for real that it? i thought nothing of that post and just went over it. I was also assuming that there's around 5 scum in 26 player setup. i thought there was something in his playstyle that was scummy with all the votes on him. He was also trying to talk like slam to slam and being obnoxious. I can see the read but I don't really agree with it. At least, I don't find it damning. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 13 2014 10:04 rsoultin wrote: What's inconsistent here? Help me out. He's saying you're null leaning scum, at least as far as I can tell. Sigh fiiiiiine. I'll explain then make the fucking case on him. Argh. He says in the beginning of the game he reads me town for doing things completely wrong. I just did one, in his point of view. He is reading me as mafia for it. Do you see the inconsistency? | ||
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rsoultin
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You I do believe are town. I trust a meta-read on you because you're generally haphazard (that's not a criticism in this context). The point was mafia!Rit can just shoot whoever you ask him to as mafia or town with a KS. Especially since probably more than one person will suggest who he should shoot, and probably not all of us will be on the same page. Even if all his choices were mafia, it could be considered the same as bussing to earn himself a lasting town read, or he could claim his KS was roleblocked. Regardless there is absolutely no way to verify his alignment by seeing what happens tonight unless he is killed by mafia/vig and flips town. The KS itself means nothing. | ||
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batsnacks
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rsoultin
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On December 13 2014 10:11 GlowingBear wrote: Sigh fiiiiiine. I'll explain then make the fucking case on him. Argh. He says in the beginning of the game he reads me town for doing things completely wrong. I just did one, in his point of view. He is reading me as mafia for it. Do you see the inconsistency? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 13 2014 10:11 GlowingBear wrote: What's inconsistent here? Help me out. He's saying you're null leaning scum, at least as far as I can tell. Sigh fiiiiiine. I'll explain then make the fucking case on him. Argh. He says in the beginning of the game he reads me town for doing things completely wrong. I just did one, in his point of view. He is reading me as mafia for it. Do you see the inconsistency? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
I see what looks like a progression of a read there GB. Or possibly a reaction to you trying to push him. Neither of those are necessarily mafia tells, and the first is flat-out townie. You saying he's being more inconsistent than you're used to is also pure meta. Just like most of Rit's haphazard case. @Bats Do you have a case? If you do, I haven't seen it. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! Part 1 Entrance On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote: Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it. Get rekt mafia His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. Froggynoddy's entrance Froggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote: Gogogo. RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking. On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options. + Show Spoiler [If you have no idea why his entrance i…] + This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective: "Gogogo" is completely forced. Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL. Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? So he also thinks this post is bad. Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: @ Slam @ Damdred Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves. And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post? While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote: What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched. I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game. The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense. Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote: I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off ##vote 27ninjabunnies Enjoy your date Why this comes from a mafia See, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) This is the end of part 1. Part 2 will be tomorrow, because I'm going to a party. | ||
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rsoultin
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Your second argument would carry more weight if he wasn't the first one to vote her. Froggy would have seemed to be a simple one to convince people of at the time, imo. Especially with the claim that if someone seems scummy to you, they should be voted as scum. Your first argument I can see. | ||
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