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Had a break from work, thought I'd drop by.
On December 13 2014 05:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Xat, mass claiming was a thing on Arnies.
Anyway, I think it's an important topic to discuss at some point.
All I'm reading are things that don't really make people mafia, which worries me.
I can easily see HF as mafia in this game. I need a computer to properly show why.
I can basically agree with almost all of this post, and it's partly why I'm so lost.
Also agree with what Xatalos said about Vivax.
The ritoky push is really stupid and needs to stop. If he actually is mafia, everybody just made him impossible to lynch because nobody is going to lynch him after these awful present shenannies that don't mean anything.
I don't have time to fully analyze GB's case on HF, but it looked okay enough at a glance to consider looking into while I have time.
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If ritoky is town gb is town (mafia would never send a present to a town imo especially not a mislynch target)
Then that makes hf look pretty bad
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On December 13 2014 05:31 sicklucker wrote:
If no one claims. Then we know mafia has it because a town would claim. If a mafia fakeclaims that could help us too
Why on earth does it matter and how will it help you, dammit?
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It just does but dont worry about it. Like lights just clicked on in my head. Gb and ritoky are always the same alignment. Very most likely town. This makes the game alot easier
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Templar, thoughts on my brief case on HF.
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Filter diving now...and imagining a world where Holyflare is scum.
Offhand, the one thing that jumped out at me in my interactions with him was him asking me why I should ask Ritoky for the Hearthstone mafia link, though he did provide it himself - I just wanted to see Ritoky's support for his meta case against HF since I'd never played with HF. It just seemed overall weird that HF would question that from me. But I didn't think too much beyond that.
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Hmmm. It's true that HF hasn't really talked about some relevant things. Could be a bit detached for being scum, perhaps? I don't think he's a lynch for today regardless. He's contributed more than almost anyone in the game.
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On December 13 2014 05:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Templar, thoughts on my brief case on HF.
On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote:
HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe.
His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum.
HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time.
He is scum.
Bolded: where did he say that?
Otherwise I agree with this case. HF looks worse than he did halfway through day 1
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On December 13 2014 03:08 batsnacks wrote:
I hate you all
##vote: Half the Sky
What are you doing batsnacks?
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On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts
gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible
Is this it?
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On December 13 2014 06:04 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts
gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible
Is this it?
Yes.
And I've just realised he talked about froggy looking bad, but he townreads him out of nothing later, when I ask him about Vivax and froggy.
That's it guys. HF is scum. I'm voting noone else.
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On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: Show nested quote +On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:Setup Information All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role. It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.
I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship.
On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it.
Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh.
I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves.
Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail?
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On December 13 2014 06:18 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:Setup Information All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role. It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship. On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it. Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh. I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves. Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail?
I can rig RNG pretty easily. That's not very important at this stage.
I haven't paid any attention to Kelsier except that he is friendly and I treat him in a friendly way.
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So your case is its 6 not 5? Then why did you say 5. And why are you talking in code to slam all game
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But you still said im one of "the five" not 6 You seem to have perfect information so id go with your slip over a mod using an example.
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It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0.
Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?
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Oh ok this is your post not the mods. So pre game you think theirs 6 but now you think theirs 5 its not looking good.
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On December 11 2014 12:32 Tubesock wrote:
This will likely be my 1 night post.
Rit I think you are wrong on HF. There wasn't much new to discuss about NB and lots of people were talking about it and to her. I was one of them. I pointed out the "iffy" and "needs to be looked into" discrepancy but I'm certain others saw it. But she didn't seem to have 1 town post all day.
If you think his behavior is scummy then push every NB voter.
Tube defending hf probable mafia partners.
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[QUOTE]On December 12 2014 07:55 Tubesock wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote:
to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.[/QUOTE]
Ritoky my 3rd 100% Nice. Too bad his "present" kills. This isn't that kind of present. Another Nice dies but it wont be FecalFeast, LightningStrike, nor I. We are too important for the Naughty Lynch.
GlowingBear bolds Damdred's meta lie, then sights his previous Arnold role and again sights previous game "Arnie's Got A Gun?". Sicklucker, the naughty friend later reveals he thinks he knows this Arnold.
Both GlowingBear and Sicklucker and NOW The_Templar appear!! Three Naughties and two lurking in the shadows.
Kushm4ster needs to Go West in his Holiday Lear. Somehow won't.
ALPA protects me ssson.
+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote:
People i won't listen about:
Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush
[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum[/QUOTE]
Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point.
On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role.
I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon.
Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though.
The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point.[/QUOTE]
[quote]The bolded is you lying. If you really believe it, you're forcing a read based on only one scum game (Arnold).
I've went to high profile people very recently as town (against marv day1 on that game I forgot the name)[/QUOTE]
He calls ritoky town right after he claims wtf I had the opposite reaction and im town so scummy.
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On December 13 2014 06:18 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:Setup Information All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role. It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship. On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it. Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh. I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves. Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail?
There is a missing piece in your case. You have to clarify to me WHY everything you said about these people MAKES THEM SCUM.
For example, why Templar defending Kelsier makes him scum? Ir kelsier flips town, is templar scum? If he flips mafia, is Templar scum? Answer: I don't know, because it can be from both alignments equally. What you say doesn't me he people scum. Worse: you're calling people scum using unflipped association.
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Hes also still amusing theirs 5 mafia in the above post after saying theres before the game started (and he found out theres 5 mafia). This is the easiest lynch of are lives. This was not a one time slip he says theres mafia in multiple posts. He says me gb the templar + two lurkers 3+2=5 mafia
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