EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 95
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Xatalos
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Vivax
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Another townie bit I noticed about someone else was Obi saying "I don't have the grasp of what's going on in this game and that bothers me" which is something a townie will be subject to, not a scum. Don't see much reason for a scum to post such a thing. Just a thought that came to my mind and I'd like to share. Having narrowed down the list of the NKs suspects eliminating ritoky, I'd focus more on Fecalfeast and the fact that I don't see him being pushed a lot, overall he doesn't have anything memorable to begin with and that usually alarms me. Playing doto atm will analyse him thoroughly afterwards. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
I asked some players how many mafia they though there were and they gave me the answer I had myself. NO CLUE | ||
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Xatalos
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Contributes nothing to the discussion, in fact degrades it by hitting at the credibility of others without any reason. On December 11 2014 13:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Finished Counting For Today ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast 27ninjabunnies (11): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel, Fecalfeast Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, Koshi The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi ObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultin Vivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslam sicklucker (0): LightningStrike liancourt (0): LightningStrike GlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (3): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesock froggynoddy (1): Half the Sky Not Voting (0): 27ninjabunnies was lynched! If you look at the final count I was on 27nb Claiming credit for nothing (ninjavoting 27nb at the last moments). And so on. Mostly sheeping and making useless comments all around. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 13 2014 03:25 GlowingBear wrote: You guys are out of your minds. I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare. By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died. It will narrow our lynches A LOT I know the balance team hates mass claims so I'd wager a bet that this setup is rigged not to favor them overall. For example, there's that Branch Manager role to kill VT's and killing Cop/Doc would naturally be nice for scum. Well, there *is* the point that Scrooge died so early. It might now be just barely worth it. I can't imagine it being an overall optimal strategy though. Not sold on the HF push either. If HF is still alive at LYLO, it should probably be considered. Overall GB's D2 doesn't seem productive for town, but at least he's doing stuff, so maybe he shouldn't be a lynch option today. | ||
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Xatalos
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On December 13 2014 04:11 Vivax wrote: Not really sold on the ritoky wagon from what I've read of him lately. Most arguments are based purely on his gift claiming and scumreading somebody off that is insanity, if you want to convince me you will need more than that. His defense appeared townie to me and so did his push on his scumread. Another townie bit I noticed about someone else was Obi saying "I don't have the grasp of what's going on in this game and that bothers me" which is something a townie will be subject to, not a scum. Don't see much reason for a scum to post such a thing. Just a thought that came to my mind and I'd like to share. Having narrowed down the list of the NKs suspects eliminating ritoky, I'd focus more on Fecalfeast and the fact that I don't see him being pushed a lot, overall he doesn't have anything memorable to begin with and that usually alarms me. Playing doto atm will analyse him thoroughly afterwards. I actually agree 100% with this post. Vivax is almost certainly town. | ||
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sicklucker
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Xatalos
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Xatalos
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On December 13 2014 04:35 sicklucker wrote: Its interesting to note that if mafia has no rb they have all the incentive in the world to push ritoky hes already got alot of votes Yeah and even if they have a RB'er they would most likely prefer not using it on ritoky. Who do you mean specifically though? I think HF is town and LS is probably too (his claim shenanigans seemed pretty genuine). HTS and rsoultin could be candidates, I guess. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On December 13 2014 04:00 Xatalos wrote: 2) If he's town, there are two plausible scenarios. Either he's A) fakeclaiming having opened the present and actually planning to pass it on while eating a KP/RB or B) actually opened the present and still wanting to eat a KP/RB. Option A seems to make much more sense as town, but naturally he wouldn't want to admit that now if possible. Option B is a bit stupid, since he could get all the benefits of option B without actually wasting the present with option A, but I don't think it's all that implausible either. As a solo town player he wouldn't have the scumteam coaching him and his judgment may have been faulty. That at least seems more likely than him doing this play as scum with a whole team coaching him..... I'm thinking the mechanics through with the present, do you really think a scumteam would believe what he had or would they just try and continue to rolehunt? Also I'm just trying to understand why any town would claim any present period (and especially what Ritoky has claimed) when scum have the advantage in KP (across all nights, not just the one night the present is used) and I would imagine the proportion of blue roles to VTs/named VTs is still small. Absolutely I agree Tube is scum and he needs to go at this point, but I think a few of us were worried about that extra KP. I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. | ||
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Xatalos
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Fecalfeast
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Xatalos
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On December 13 2014 04:44 Half the Sky wrote: Xatalos, I looked over your explanation: I'm thinking the mechanics through with the present, do you really think a scumteam would believe what he had or would they just try and continue to rolehunt? Also I'm just trying to understand why any town would claim any present period (and especially what Ritoky has claimed) when scum have the advantage in KP (across all nights, not just the one night the present is used) and I would imagine the proportion of blue roles to VTs/named VTs is still small. Absolutely I agree Tube is scum and he needs to go at this point, but I think a few of us were worried about that extra KP. I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. I'm not sure what you mean in the first paragraph? The most sensible explanation (out of all the possible explanations) for ritoky's claim is that he's fakeclaiming it as town to eat a kill/RB. The second most sensible explanation seems to be that he actually opened it and revealed it as town (same approach as the first explanation but with the drawback of wasting the present so it's pretty stupid). I think the least likely explanation is that he's scum and the scumteam somehow thought this was a great plan.... *facepalm* | ||
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Xatalos
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Half the Sky
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(town and scum) and how the other side would react. But you are right, scum have a lot less to gain and a lot more to lose. It is possible he could have made an honest mistake with claiming too. Since Tubesock is the most likely scum given the slip, I'll go ahead and change my vote. I've had FF scumlisted for awhile given the inconsistencies, not answering the questions (as I cited before) and continued apathy, but Tube is definitely the better lynch at this point. He still hasn't explained that post. | ||
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Vivax
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On December 09 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I thought being thick was a prerequisite for sumo. "You are already breaking the rules , resigned to the outside of the ring . Why are trying to order you still fight" No rules were established beforehand but if you don't want to fite I wont force you. I was about to comment on the 27NB post but HF beat me to it. Her 'easy scum read' is in her scum pile because only scum is looking for easy scum reads... One interesting bit I find in retrospect is this one. He wanted to talk about the 27nb stuff apparently and when catching up with his comment he seems to rehearse what HF said but without taking any opinion on it. 27nb also doesn't appear in his further reasoning. As shown here: On December 09 2014 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd lynch templar because his posts, while long, are full of more fluff than slam's. idk who kita is but it's still early so give him a break I'd lynch sicklucker because I wanted to plynch him last game and he was scum. This reply, in context, is meant to imitate what GB wrote, not really sure if trolling. I'll assume he isn't for now. I really hate posts like these cause they are so ambiguous. It's the sort of stuff people can use to say "but look I have made reads", or if you question their validity they can say "nah man I was just joking as a reply" as they see fit in a specific moment. Needs clearing up from FF. ______________________ Another matter is how he starts the game going after Alakaslam in a dramatic sumo-suit fashion. Again ambiguous so hard to tell if he's joking or serious, assuming serious again, then this later post of his doesn't make much sense: On December 09 2014 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Developing a read on slam seems like something nobody can reliably do so I may as well try On December 09 2014 10:20 Fecalfeast wrote: I think slam seems the exact same in every game. Any tips for reading him? So he's telling us he can't read Slam but still tries to at the start of the game. Obviously a futile effort. I have the same opinion about reading Slam and my solution to it is to ignore his posts until it really becomes a pressing matter to decide on him. Yet he tries it at the start of the game but sees 27nb as a secondary issue he barely comments on. As of now I'd lynch this guy for making so little sense and talking about stuff that should be irrelevant to him (Alakaslam), and when he pretends it's relevant (comment on 27nb without ever further elaborating something on her) it really isn't. Overall his play is a pain to read and I have a hard time imagining him as town. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 13 2014 04:58 Half the Sky wrote: Alright, I see what you are saying now. First paragraph, I mainly was trying to think of him doing this from both sides (town and scum) and how the other side would react. But you are right, scum have a lot less to gain and a lot more to lose. It is possible he could have made an honest mistake with claiming too. Since Tubesock is the most likely scum given the slip, I'll go ahead and change my vote. I've had FF scumlisted for awhile given the inconsistencies, not answering the questions (as I cited before) and continued apathy, but Tube is definitely the better lynch at this point. He still hasn't explained that post. I think the claim was definitely a mistake UNLESS he's fakeclaiming to have opened it as town, but it's more likely that he'd make a big blunder as town than as scum (with several other players discussing strategy with him). | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
Also who would have gave him a present anyway. Did gb claim to? I find it odd no third player claimed to have a present to give its so townie to say this only me and gb did. That means to me its probably in mafia hands so claiming he has it makes some sense. Expect another present claim when were about to lynch a mafia because I think they have one in there possession. regardless if its ritokys or not. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 13 2014 05:01 Vivax wrote: One interesting bit I find in retrospect is this one. He wanted to talk about the 27nb stuff apparently and when catching up with his comment he seems to rehearse what HF said but without taking any opinion on it. 27nb also doesn't appear in his further reasoning. As shown here: This reply, in context, is meant to imitate what GB wrote, not really sure if trolling. I'll assume he isn't for now. I really hate posts like these cause they are so ambiguous. It's the sort of stuff people can use to say "but look I have made reads", or if you question their validity they can say "nah man I was just joking as a reply" as they see fit in a specific moment. Needs clearing up from FF. ______________________ Another matter is how he starts the game going after Alakaslam in a dramatic sumo-suit fashion. Again ambiguous so hard to tell if he's joking or serious, assuming serious again, then this later post of his doesn't make much sense: So he's telling us he can't read Slam but still tries to at the start of the game. Obviously a futile effort. I have the same opinion about reading Slam and my solution to it is to ignore his posts until it really becomes a pressing matter to decide on him. Yet he tries it at the start of the game but sees 27nb as a secondary issue he barely comments on. As of now I'd lynch this guy for making so little sense and talking about stuff that should be irrelevant to him (Alakaslam), and when he pretends it's relevant (comment on 27nb without ever further elaborating something on her) it really isn't. Overall his play is a pain to read and I have a hard time imagining him as town. Yeah. Perhaps the most scummy single post from him, I think, was where he claimed credit for his 27nb vote even though it was just a late sheep/ninjavote. | ||
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GlowingBear
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Anyway, I think it's an important topic to discuss at some point. All I'm reading are things that don't really make people mafia, which worries me. I can easily see HF as mafia in this game. I need a computer to properly show why. | ||
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