EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 94
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 13 2014 00:50 kushm4sta wrote: hi Shut up. You're dead. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17323 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
##Vote ritoky | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
1) why you thought there was only 5 mafia (as far as I can tell you haven't really answered Templar's question) 2) your read on Vivax - you call him scum for suggesting the vig kill Alakaslam but don't have any further support? Lightning, I read further on 3 of the links you gave on Oats, and while he is less involved this game generally speaking in comparison, what is bothering me more is that this game he's going off Froggy a second day for mostly null posts. D1 was acceptable as a pressure vote since I've seen this done in Student Mafia IV by other town, but today, we have 2-3 cases floating, a possible scumslip (Tubesock) and he's still going after a null at best. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On December 13 2014 02:58 Half the Sky wrote: Tubesock, I know you have a load of crazy posts, but you at least answer 1) why you thought there was only 5 mafia (as far as I can tell you haven't really answered Templar's question) 2) your read on Vivax - you call him scum for suggesting the vig kill Alakaslam but don't have any further support? Lightning, I read further on 3 of the links you gave on Oats, and while he is less involved this game generally speaking in comparison, what is bothering me more is that this game he's going off Froggy a second day for mostly null posts. D1 was acceptable as a pressure vote since I've seen this done in Student Mafia IV by other town, but today, we have 2-3 cases floating, a possible scumslip (Tubesock) and he's still going after a null at best. It's concerning yes but you may want to look at his scum games I posted to compared his play this game to his scum play in other games to see if there is similarities to this game to his scum games. But for now I would prefer a rito lynch atm because of his present claim. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
##vote: Half the Sky | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On December 13 2014 03:08 batsnacks wrote: I hate you all ##vote: Half the Sky Okay explain why you voting HTS? | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
Do you -really- think she read those filters you quoted? As if there isn't already enough shit to read in this game already. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On December 13 2014 03:15 batsnacks wrote: Do you -really- think she read those filters you quoted? As if there isn't already enough shit to read in this game already. Yes I really think she did read those filters because she did ask for them earlier in the thread so why would she not read the filters? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
I re-read everything from Ritoky's onwards from the time I went to bed, and I'm trying to picture in what universe a town would do something like this even to bait since we don't want to make it easier for scum to take out town power roles. We're hosed for KP, there's too many flaws in Ritoky's defence from last night, I don't like Tube's scumslip (I don't know how anyone can take his quoted post out of context) but Ritoky is an even higher risk. ##vote Ritoky | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare. By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died. It will narrow our lynches A LOT | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker. What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not? | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On December 13 2014 03:32 batsnacks wrote: HTS is mafia. Ritoky isn't. Let me ask you this how is Ritoky not mafia yet HTS is scum? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 13 2014 03:30 Half the Sky wrote: Bats, if you're going to make a case on anyone using meta, I would think reading filters would be required, otherwise your case is going nowhere. GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker. What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not? Why mafia roles are relevant? If people mass claim, mafia will have to counter claim in order to survive for long. This means that, at least, we will have to decide between 2 claims, when one is true and the other is false. Considering Scrooge is dead, we have 3 confirmed roles for town. There's obviously a Santa. That's 4 people we are not considering lynching today already. It's a lot. I don't care much for power roles. All we have to do to win the game is to lynch mafia, that's all. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
This game is getting easier. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
Out of the current wagons, I think the KSC wagon is the worst. He's made several plays that are unlikely to come from scum (baiting reactions by making himself look bad, suggesting delaying the 27nb lynch when he's next in line himself, etc.) and his posts during N1 seemed fine. The wagon on him also looks all but inspiring (all the voters are sketchy or at best somewhat nullish players). ritoky didn't look that good during D1 so I can understand the wagon a bit better. I don't really get how the claim is Mafia motivated though. Let's look at the different scenarios: 1) If he's scum, what does he gain by claiming like that? I'd never even consider doing such a claim as scum (no matter if the claim is real or fake) and it'd have to be a pretty bad scumteam to coach him into doing that. At best he might create some chaos in the thread (not that bad of a scum motivation, but not great either) or perhaps prevent himself being checked/Vigi'd at night (since there's a good chance he might just die from the present). The gains aren't non-existent, but we also have to consider the costs. If the claim is real, he might well die for no gain at all. If the claim is fake, he's basically dead to a counter-claim (remember that he didn't know about the fate of Damdred's present when he claimed and there would still be two (or at least one) more presents floating around now). He also invites heavy scrutiny from every player in the game when instead he could just lay low or try to improve his own credibility. I think the costs far outweigh the gains. 2) If he's town, there are two plausible scenarios. Either he's A) fakeclaiming having opened the present and actually planning to pass it on while eating a KP/RB or B) actually opened the present and still wanting to eat a KP/RB. Option A seems to make much more sense as town, but naturally he wouldn't want to admit that now if possible. Option B is a bit stupid, since he could get all the benefits of option B without actually wasting the present with option A, but I don't think it's all that implausible either. As a solo town player he wouldn't have the scumteam coaching him and his judgment may have been faulty. That at least seems more likely than him doing this play as scum with a whole team coaching him..... So I agree that ritoky doesn't look great as a player, but there are several players who seem more likely scum and I fail to see how this claim is scum-motivated when no sane scumteam would go through with it (and it's decently plausible that he would do it as town, and if it's a fakeclaim, it would even be a pretty decent play... though it might more likely be a real claim since he's been so insistent about it... regardless it's more plausible to do a dumb play as town than scum). ritoky, do you at least agree that even if you insist on option B being the case here, option A would have been a lot better for town? Tubesock hasn't exactly looked good at any point and he's looked even worse today. I looked at his D1 play and there are several slightly concerning points such as playing the noob card, having a somewhat weird focus on roles (too interested?) and lastly sheepvoting for me even when he disregarded the case against me. It was certainly the most ridiculous vote on me and looking back on it, it might just be scum (instead of too scummy to be scum). What's more worrying, though, is the shift in his posting style. At first he was relatively calm and blended in, but after the massacre of night kills he suddenly got more bold and altered his posting style drastically. Inconsistencies in posting style (especially significant changes such as large changes in activity or tone) are usually associated with scum since they're fabricating everything to begin with and it's more natural to change your playstyle when it's just a fake to be changed (as town you're naturally posting what comes to your mind usually). It doesn't end there, though. He also slips that there would be exactly 5 scum in the game here: It does seem like a reasonable amount of scum, but how in the world could he just casually mention that exact amount as town? It looks far too much like a casual slip rather than a deliberate troll or something like that, considering that it's a quick reply to another post. This is the best case of TMI (too much information) I've seen all game and perhaps even in my game history. In addition he complains about town's play during D1 (which more often comes from scum), although this is more of a minor point. I think Tubesock is by far the best out of these 3 candidates for lynch, so I'll put my vote tentatively on him and look again through FF/GB/OWS and probably others to see if there's a higher reason for lynching one of them instead of Tubestock. In the meanwhile I'd like everyone online to comment on my arguments in this post. ##Vote Tubesock | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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