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GlowingBear
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November 14 2014 12:32 GMT
#10
/in

Phone posting
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GlowingBear
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November 14 2014 18:53 GMT
#15
Jesus if you write like I'll never be able to read you
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GlowingBear
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November 15 2014 14:33 GMT
#26
Meh
I've downloaded a paint app but I can't copy the URL imgur gives to me.
Does anyone have any idea of what to do?
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GlowingBear
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November 16 2014 13:18 GMT
#29
On November 16 2014 00:15 Holyflare wrote:
Isn't there a button that auto copies it?


I don't think so. It just gives the URL link but it is "unclickable" to me.
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GlowingBear
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November 16 2014 15:08 GMT
#31
On November 17 2014 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
get the imgur app then or if you're using the app use the website instead?


Oh I'm using the website. I didn't know there was an app. Gonna search for it. Thanks!
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GlowingBear
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November 18 2014 01:56 GMT
#56
[image loading]
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November 18 2014 02:41 GMT
#58
[image loading]
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GlowingBear
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November 18 2014 03:39 GMT
#65
It seems #Holyflareisscum is a trend
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GlowingBear
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November 18 2014 12:54 GMT
#88
On November 18 2014 18:30 justanothertownie wrote:
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On November 18 2014 16:36 Holyflare wrote:
You should rng this game so jat will join

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 11:51 Chezinu wrote:
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I hate you Sentinel...


Well, I'll probably have to out due to time constraints so, if you wish to take my spot...
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 03:19 GMT
#109
Oh this is bad... Deadline will ne during my sleep hours
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 17:35 GMT
#394
Hi
I'm drunk
I haven't read the thread
Talk to me.
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 17:38 GMT
#397
Hi Rayn
I love you
Who is scum?
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 17:39 GMT
#398
On November 21 2014 02:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi
I'm drunk
I haven't read the thread
Talk to me.

first question..what time is it where you are?


4pm. We went to the sugar loaf by the morning and we were drinking there until now.
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 17:43 GMT
#407
Hopeless, I'm waiting for your follow up. You question was aimless enough to make me have a scum lean on you.
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 17:51 GMT
#414
Ok so we are discussing obs qt posts?
Because that's not very accurate instrument to catch mafia. Opinions change from game to game. The solidest proof of what I'm saying was damdreds case on me on Hearthstone. He read me scum for having different opinion from the one I had on FFL 2 mafia, and I was town in both.

Bring me something solid and constant, and thread-only. Reads differ from obs to thread because there is a difference on pressure.
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 17:53 GMT
#418
On November 21 2014 02:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On November 21 2014 02:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Hopeless, I'm waiting for your follow up. You question was aimless enough to make me have a scum lean on you.

You're just like VE. I think rayn is town but I disagree with him about VE and Templar. Can you be of assistance?


No, because, as I said, I haven't read the thread yet and I have no idea.
What answer did you expect when you made that question to me?
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 17:58 GMT
#423
Lol good luck discussing sterile arguments for town. I'm going to the beach and when I'm done I'll read the thread.
Kthxbai
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 21:01 GMT
#516
On November 21 2014 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu following the Chezinu Rule is pretty townie Chezinu imo. Anyone disagree? Like yeah, he could do it as both alignments...but if you assume he's mafia then what do you think that means about Hopeless? And why does he unvote Hopeless only to vote sicklucker if he's mafia?

Anyone disagree with my line of thinking here? Like, if Chez is mafia then the assumption is that Hopeless is town (based on Chez voting for him), so Chez voting for sicklucker (also presumably town for Chez vote) doesn't make much sense if he's mafia. It doesn't really make sense from any perspective other than Hopeless/Chez mafia, which if that's the case then why does he vote for him in the first place?

For the moment I'm going to go ahead and say that I'll never lynch Chezinu today.


1st Paragraph) it's easier for mafia to follow a rule (or policy) than actually putting thought on the game. Following rules seems to be more scummy than townie to me. I can't understand your insistence in calling Chezinu town. I also don't understand why you say that Chezinu is probably town and then assumes it's a null tell right after and justifies calling him town using associative reads. Are you calling him town for using a rule or because you're doing associative reads? These are two different sources of read.

Unvoting hopeless to vote sicklucker is a null tell.

2nd) Unflipped association. Lol. I prefer to think this way: "can this be done by a mafia? Is it more likely, less likely or equally likely to do as mafia?" And my answer is Yes and Equally likely.

3rd) For the moment or you're never going to lynch Chezinu?

VE, you simply repeated your idea on both first and second paragraph. Your writing style doesn't look fluid, but fabricated, full of hesitation ("does anyone agree?" "for the moment I'll say I'll never lynch him[/b])

Meh, I found this post horrible.
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 21:08 GMT
#520
On November 21 2014 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
for the moment i'd say GB sober up or get lynched.


I'm already sober.
Read what I've brought and give thoughts.
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 21:12 GMT
#528
On November 21 2014 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 21 2014 06:08 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 21 2014 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
for the moment i'd say GB sober up or get lynched.


I'm already sober.
Read what I've brought and give thoughts.

You are taking things out of context. Why?
(i mean the VE shit you brought up)


I'm not taking things out of context, I'm objectively evaluating VE's post.
Can you tell me where I took things out of context/had bad logic?
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 21:18 GMT
#534
Lol Rayn. You're saying my read is off without specifically pointing out what I did wrong.

Let's start this way:
You're saying VE posted something and I said he posted a completely different thing.
Explain what VE said
Explain what it's different from what I said VE said
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 21:19 GMT
#539
On November 21 2014 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i misread something.
That post from VE is a big pile of ???????????????????????????????????????

VE, wtf?


LOL NO.
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 21:24 GMT
#543
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 21:28 GMT
#546
On November 21 2014 06:27 Damdred wrote:
What are you on about this time rayn?


LSD
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 22:52 GMT
#567
Is there a votecount anywhere?
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 23:14 GMT
#571
Templur, it's a red rain.
I thought it was self explanatory
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 23:30 GMT
#582
On November 21 2014 08:23 The_Templar wrote:
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On November 21 2014 08:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Templur, it's a red rain.
I thought it was self explanatory

Oh. I thought blood for some reason >.>


Hahaha no, I'm just very very bad at drawing
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 23:35 GMT
#585
[image loading]
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 23:42 GMT
#591
I find funny that people are ignoring my scumread on both VE and Rayn. Lol
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 23:44 GMT
#594
On November 21 2014 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh

I get it now. red rain = red rayn

the face is ve?


Yes )))
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 23:48 GMT
#598
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 23:51 GMT
#600
On November 21 2014 08:48 liancourt wrote:
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No.

VE is mafia because I quoted a horrible post from him that was scummy. He didn't address to it.
Rayn is mafia for calling my post out for faked reasons. He tried to dismiss what I've brought but when he got pressure he couldn't attack my post properly, so he simply said he "misread something".

Associative reads for the win.

If VE flips mafia I would go against Rayn.
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GlowingBear
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November 20 2014 23:57 GMT
#603
No, he is just cluttering the thread :/
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 00:00 GMT
#606
On November 21 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:
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On November 21 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
No, he is just cluttering the thread :/

Ok just checking. You know, you're sort of doing that too.


But I was kinda hinting I find them both mafia.
He is just spamming pictures or you being mafia.

I'm lazy right now. I will step up in the game tomorrow
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 12:26 GMT
#629
[image loading]

I think VE is mafia based solely on that post I've analysed. I still have to read the thread properly but I'm busy/lazy.
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 14:14 GMT
#633
On November 21 2014 22:58 Holyflare wrote:
this game just isn't very fun and i don't know why


Because no one is trying.

Vote VE with me. If VE was town, he would flip the fuck out when I posted my analysis on his post. Or he would try to reason it better. Instead, he just avoid giving traction to that call out because he knows I've nailed him and he didn't want to draw attention.

VE has no confidence in this game. He is just throwing random questions and not taking hard stances
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 14:20 GMT
#634
On November 20 2014 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my first instinct when I want to appear active as mafia is to just get in the thread and comment on something - ANYTHING. Like, it doesn't even have to be important, it just has to be a random comment about something happening in the thread.

As town to appear active your first instinct is to just post. But that's different from the above. What mafia want to do is comment on something. Because it can be seen as some kind of contribution. Townies will post just anything.

Arguably that's what fecal is doing in response to Chezinu's posts, but the difference is that fecal is making Paint pictures to comment on Chez, and he's basically saying "This is all I see when you post that", which is frankly a pretty townie response to Chezinu imo.

Chez pointed out Hopeless, and I don't disagree so I like him.

Damdred is a gut read. If I'm wrong it's about Damdred.


Horrible post. He can't draw all these conclusions already at page two. It's funny that in his first paragraph he does exactly what he says mafia always does.

Second paragraph isn't true. I started to give traction in a game I was town by calling an entrance out. That's my way to drive discussion.

Third paragraph is so NULL, so NULL that hurts. That's not alignment indicative at all.

Again, nothing that hopeless have posted at that time was alignment indicative. It makes no sense to me.
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 14:29 GMT
#635
Nevermind the "not taking hard stances" thing. He is
But he is taking them weirdly. He suddenly thought HF was mafia when he was pretty sure hopeless was scum. It did not follow a stream of thought, a process of sudden realisation. He saw Rayn calling out HF and THEN he started to drop reasons on why HF was weird. He didn't show any attempt of trying to figure HF out before.

Like, if you are town an you START to believe SOMEONE ELSE is scum, it's because you saw something weird. You see it and you push it. THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. What happened was Rayn saying HF is weird (without giving reasons) and then VE IMEDDIATELY flips his vote and attention to HF, and locks on him.
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 14:44 GMT
#638
I was wrong about you not taking solid stances, but that's all.
Your stream of thought fits much more a mafia mindset than a town mindset
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 14:53 GMT
#642
Yeah, right.

You can't even attack my posts point to point.

Downgrading my gameplay won't help. You should attack the argument, not the player. All you're saying is that I'm wrong and my read is bad because I haven't thoroughly read the game. The essence of your counter-argument is me, not my post.
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 14:59 GMT
#645
On November 21 2014 23:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not attacking the player. I'm saying that you're calling me mafia without reading the game. I don't give a shit how good or bad you are, there's no way you can have that read on me without reading the game. So I give literally zero weight to anything you post about me because you've said multiple times that you're not reading the game.


I didn't read it properly. But I skimmed.

It actually doesn't matter when I'm attacking specific posts and not overall gameplay. So I'll keep my vote on you and if you can't reveal why I'm wrong I'll get you lynched.
Enlighten me.
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 15:05 GMT
#653
Having interactions is much less demanding than reading the whole game VE.
Why don't you simply convince me I'm wrong????
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 15:15 GMT
#665
On November 22 2014 00:12 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 00:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.

Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.

Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:

I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle.

This is why I'm voting for Holyflare.


Stop being lazy VE, you haven't really tried to convince anyone that HF is mafia you have just kinda took pot shots at him and put your vote their. And I really just don't see scum!HF from what the little you are showing us


He actually is.
I just find weird his sudden shift.

Anyway, VE isn't caring to get me on the right direction if he thinks I'm wrong, so I'm sticking my vote on him.
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 15:27 GMT
#667
On November 21 2014 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
Towny looking

7. VisceraEyes
6. raynpelikoneet
14. Alakaslam
8. Fecalfeast
4. liancourt

Could be towny
13. ritoky (maybe up a tier)
11. Chezinu (undecided whether up or down so middle but townyISH)


meh

2. The_Templar
3. KillerSOS
5. Hopeless1der
9. sicklucker
10. GlowingBear
12. Damdred


4 mafia is quite large


LOLOLOLOLOL HF no way.
No way.
Your vote is stuck in ritoky yet you believe he could be town. You call out lian for being very very strang and yet he looks townie.
Now you're going against VE who was on you top town list.

What are you doing?
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 15:36 GMT
#673
Who's mafia then, HF?
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 17:01 GMT
#685
Why are you ignoring VE, Rayn?
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November 21 2014 17:09 GMT
#690
HAHAHA
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY BELIEVE VE IS TOWN WHEN HE SAYS HOPELESS IS MAFIA, THEN WHEN SUSPICIONS ARE BROUGHT TO HF, HE VOTES HOLYFLARE, THEN WHEN RAYN SAYS TEMPLAR IS MAFIA, HE SIMPLY CHANGES HIS VOTE, DISMISSING HIS PREVIOUS SCUMREADS
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November 21 2014 17:26 GMT
#697
On November 22 2014 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shut up gb, ve is town.


Yeah.
Good luck with the game
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 19:20 GMT
#718
Gawd...
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 20:06 GMT
#726
Just lynch VE and get one mafia down. Jesus Christ.
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 21:25 GMT
#785
Just a thought for you Templer wouldn't try to Lynch VE when there are another good wagons going on
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 21:25 GMT
#786
I mean Mathia Templar
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November 21 2014 21:29 GMT
#787
By the way VEE do you think holy flare is still scum our town? if you think he is down what changed?
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November 21 2014 21:37 GMT
#801
I am driving so I am not drunk I will explain myself later but Slam there were a lot of people with just one vote
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 21:53 GMT
#812
Lian did that in a game he was town. He thinks he is a "scum bait". That's why he is voting for someone who thought he was scum at the first place.

Which is a horrible logic, as town will scumread him for that also, or he will be shot.

Slam, Templar could simply vote on an easier wagon. Instead, he decided to push VE, who is a strong and very vocal player.

I HATE the fact that Rayn says he misread VE but didn't question him for the thinks I've brought.

I also hate hopeless in this game.
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 21:58 GMT
#817
On November 22 2014 06:54 The_Templar wrote:
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On November 22 2014 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:
I also hate hopeless in this game.

Reason or general vibe?


General vibe
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 22:07 GMT
#821
On November 22 2014 07:02 sicklucker wrote:
The templars defense has stepped up some, I always sheep rayn its what I do im easily the newest player in the game. That being said his reads after his first 2 I liked really sucked. Sheep mode off


[image loading]
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 22:13 GMT
#824
I won't lynch anyone today other than these (in order of preference):

Sick licker
Killer SOS
Ritoky
Chez
Hopeless
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GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 22:18 GMT
#832
On November 22 2014 07:16 sicklucker wrote:
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On November 22 2014 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
I won't lynch anyone today other than these (in order of preference):

Sick licker
Killer SOS
Ritoky
Chez
Hopeless


You hard push ve now hes not even on your list? Is this because everyone sees him as town and your trying to save face?


One of the biggest filters in the thread. Wrong strategy to kill him today. I'll go to day2 with good information on him and I can also get more stuff from him to solidify my read on him.
I can't afford going to day2 with people I have too little information. I like to lunch the scummiest lurker day1
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November 21 2014 23:14 GMT
#877
On November 22 2014 08:11 ritoky wrote:
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On November 22 2014 06:32 The_Templar wrote:
On November 22 2014 06:17 Holyflare wrote:
ok templar just write like a mini paraphrased thing on ve for me and then summarise what you think of other ppl VERY briefly

He formed a few opinions early in the game, never really let go of them even when it was really obvious he should have, agreed with rayn and other likely towns about just about everything they said.
He never really justifies his opinion, but instead makes everyone's contradictions seem pointless.

Holyflare: Mostly focused. While a lot of the posts are 1-line or filler, there are a lot of posts that actually explain some sort of thought process instead of admitting there is proof. Town read
The_Templar: --
KillerSOS: Lurker that made a strange post. Null
liancourtyboy: Not playing the game
Hopeless: Null, as all he's done is argue with the same 2-3 people.
rayn: I'm too biased currently to read him
VE: Scum as explained earlier
Fecal: He jumps in whenever he finds a chance to say something really quickly. Not much I can say.
sicklucker: Bad logic in general, sheeping is the basis of the majority of his ideas
GB: Town read, he is focusing too much on one thing at a time but he has the right idea.
Chezinu: Lurker
Damdred: this followed by this is really weird. "I don't know about templar's lynch" generally means he is definitely considering it until very recently. He keeps saying I look better.
ritoky: I didn't even realize he had posted
Alakaslam: Not even the slightest clue how to read him


this doesn't seem like a reads post a mafia about to be lynched would make. although i find it weird that templar has sheeped almost word for word a couple things i have said and responded directly to some of my posts yet doesn't know i exist.


I agree with you. Cool.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 21 2014 23:17 GMT
#883
Wow I'm having a sudden avalanche of town reads.

Damdy, I'm town. Let's work together.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 21 2014 23:17 GMT
#884
On November 22 2014 08:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:
On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:
On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me.


Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads.

Can you be a bit more specific?


on phone so quotes will be limited

Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going.

You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process.

so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying

ok

Let's kill Liancourt


Not a good day1 lynch
Let vigi deal with him
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 21 2014 23:21 GMT
#890
On November 22 2014 08:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:16 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:
On November 22 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote:
On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!!
If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me.


Templar has done a good bit and even though its in list post form he draws attention to some good things so yes he does have reads.

Can you be a bit more specific?


on phone so quotes will be limited

Your list post that you just posted had reads to a degree as in they showed thought behind it and you actually brought a few decent points of contention towards me. While they aren't rock solid I think that it shows where you are and where you are going.

You show effort in your defense and while writing long posts isn't totally town it still shows reading and thought process.

so yea i think rayn is wrong in what he's saying

ok

Let's kill Liancourt


Not a good day1 lynch
Let vigi deal with him

I disagree. I am questioning the likelihood that VE is not actually vig since he seems content that HF is not getting lynched.

Ja.


VE isn't vigi and I didn't say he was.
He is most likely not vigi so... I don't know why this matters?
We do have a vigi because it is an open setup
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 21 2014 23:22 GMT
#894
On November 22 2014 08:20 Alakaslam wrote:
In other words I am starting to actually believe VE is Vig.

And he will shoot holyflare.

Yeah.


Oh ok
Have in mind VE said he was going to shoot me on Hearthstone but he wasn't vigi
I'm not sure if it was hearthstone now. But it was a game where he was town
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 21 2014 23:23 GMT
#897
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 23:30 GMT
#910
On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?


His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new.

He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 23:47 GMT
#924
On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?


His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new.

He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?


So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly?

Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz.


I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating.
He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.

I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads.
But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 21 2014 23:53 GMT
#934
On November 22 2014 08:50 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?


His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new.

He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?


So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly?

Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz.


I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating.
He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.

I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads.
But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other.


you don't think anything of HF leaving his vote on a town read all phase instead of using it to pressure people and indicate who he wants to lynch?


Yes, I've pointed it out before.
I admit HF is acting weirdly. But well, so is VE and so is Rayn. I am extremely confused on who to lynch between these.
But they are three of the most vocal people in the game. I think it's okay to let Themis and reevaluate them on later days.

What is very dumb thing to do is to let scummy lurkers live. We won't have enough information on them.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 21 2014 23:56 GMT
#939
On November 22 2014 08:55 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:54 The_Templar wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:52 Alakaslam wrote:
like templar, wjho do yo uwant to lynch

VE, followed by either sicklucker or damdred depending on what happens

Before I lynch damdred I want to see if he ever does anything more specific than constantly softly mentioning me as towny


I have a very strong FEELING damdred is town
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 21 2014 23:57 GMT
#943
On November 22 2014 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?


His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new.

He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?


So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly?

Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz.


I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating.
He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.

I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads.
But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other.

GB can you expand on this? i feel confused.


(Why on red?)

I'm on the phone so I won't quote the games, but:
FFL2 mafia: he claims scum the entire game. He was town.
Hearthstone mafia: he shows logical thinking and seriousness. He was mafia.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 21 2014 23:59 GMT
#948
On November 22 2014 08:58 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?


His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new.

He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?


So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly?

Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz.


I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating.
He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.

I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads.
But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other.

GB can you expand on this? i feel confused.


(Why on red?)

I'm on the phone so I won't quote the games, but:
FFL2 mafia: he claims scum the entire game. He was town.
Hearthstone mafia: he shows logical thinking and seriousness. He was mafia.

that's not enough data


It's enough to understand he is null atm
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 22 2014 00:01 GMT
#952
On November 22 2014 08:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:53 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:50 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?


His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new.

He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?


So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly?

Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz.


I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating.
He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.

I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads.
But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other.


you don't think anything of HF leaving his vote on a town read all phase instead of using it to pressure people and indicate who he wants to lynch?


Yes, I've pointed it out before.
I admit HF is acting weirdly. But well, so is VE and so is Rayn. I am extremely confused on who to lynch between these.
But they are three of the most vocal people in the game. I think it's okay to let Themis and reevaluate them on later days.

What is very dumb thing to do is to let scummy lurkers live. We won't have enough information on them.

as opposed to towny lurkers? again, can you expand on the who and why's here?


Well, town lurkers are most likely to be busy but when they come to the thread they post genuine content.
Mafia lurkers tend to come to the thread, throw random comments, sheep and goes into lurkage again.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 22 2014 00:03 GMT
#957
On November 22 2014 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:53 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:50 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:26 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
[quote]
This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker lynch is a good day1 lynch btw


have you explained why and i forgot, or could you do the splainin?


His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new.

He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town?


So which is worse, someone refusing to play the game and antagonizing others or someone who noob claims incessantly?

Also have you given an HF read, I would like an HF read from you plz.


I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating.
He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone.

I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads.
But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other.


you don't think anything of HF leaving his vote on a town read all phase instead of using it to pressure people and indicate who he wants to lynch?


Yes, I've pointed it out before.
I admit HF is acting weirdly. But well, so is VE and so is Rayn. I am extremely confused on who to lynch between these.
But they are three of the most vocal people in the game. I think it's okay to let Themis and reevaluate them on later days.

What is very dumb thing to do is to let scummy lurkers live. We won't have enough information on them.

as opposed to towny lurkers? again, can you expand on the who and why's here?


Well, town lurkers are most likely to be busy but when they come to the thread they post genuine content.
Mafia lurkers tend to come to the thread, throw random comments, sheep and goes into lurkage again.


Or, asking questions, doing nothing with the answers, not taking hard stances, and sheeping.

I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 22 2014 00:04 GMT
#961
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 22 2014 00:08 GMT
#970
On November 22 2014 09:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Filter dive me, hope. I've made a list

Q.
Is liancourt a "lurker"?


Yes, he is.
He is also giving me a null read. I know where you're trying to lead your logic to
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 22 2014 00:09 GMT
#973
I'm totally ok with lynching killer
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 22 2014 00:22 GMT
#984
On November 22 2014 09:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:14 KillerSOS wrote:
I was lurking because I had my final paper due for appellate advocacy this evening, I have my life back now

you had your life back 3 hours ago according to timestamps.


And you said you were playing dota.
LOL.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 22 2014 00:28 GMT
#991
You used the dota as an excuse, then you told us about the law thing. You've kept being quite until we started pointing you out. You look very scummy.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 22 2014 00:33 GMT
#996
[image loading]

Boy, drawing on the phone is impossible
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 22 2014 00:45 GMT
#1000
NO!
NO DAMDY!
WE CAN'T READ OURSELVES AS TOWN WHEN WE ARE BOTH TOWN IN A GAME
YOU'RE BREAKING THE SACRED RULE
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 22 2014 00:49 GMT
#1003
On November 22 2014 09:46 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:45 GlowingBear wrote:
NO!
NO DAMDY!
WE CAN'T READ OURSELVES AS TOWN WHEN WE ARE BOTH TOWN IN A GAME
YOU'RE BREAKING THE SACRED RULE

what


Just a joke. I think this is the first time we reciprocally read one other as town.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 22 2014 00:52 GMT
#1006
[image loading]
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 22 2014 01:08 GMT
#1012
On November 22 2014 09:53 The_Templar wrote:
Both of you explain your votes a bit better please


Nah, it was just a reaction vote
I thought holyflare could be following the thread but not posting, so I tried to bait him into posting.
Which didn't work, as you can see.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 22 2014 01:16 GMT
#1016
On November 22 2014 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:53 The_Templar wrote:
Both of you explain your votes a bit better please


Nah, it was just a reaction vote
I thought holyflare could be following the thread but not posting, so I tried to bait him into posting.
Which didn't work, as you can see.


I actually just made a post + Show Spoiler +
On November 22 2014 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
I won't lynch anyone today other than these (in order of preference):

Sick licker
Killer SOS
Ritoky
Chez
Hopeless


On November 22 2014 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 07:16 sicklucker wrote:
On November 22 2014 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
I won't lynch anyone today other than these (in order of preference):

Sick licker
Killer SOS
Ritoky
Chez
Hopeless


You hard push ve now hes not even on your list? Is this because everyone sees him as town and your trying to save face?


One of the biggest filters in the thread. Wrong strategy to kill him today. I'll go to day2 with good information on him and I can also get more stuff from him to solidify my read on him.
I can't afford going to day2 with people I have too little information. I like to lunch the scummiest lurker day1

but w/e i'm not really bothered

damd has moved up to the middleish bit of my list though


Oh, I'm not willing to lynch you today.
As I said, I was reaction testing. But it was to gather information for day2.

I'm going back to Killer
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 22 2014 01:21 GMT
#1017
[image loading]
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 22 2014 01:36 GMT
#1021
On November 22 2014 10:33 Holyflare wrote:
i don't really know


You can start by giving your thoughts on my lynch list
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 22 2014 01:39 GMT
#1025
On November 22 2014 10:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Thanks GB. Let's get this Rollin plz


Yes, let's do this
FITE ME!

Just kidding. Don't FITE me
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 22 2014 01:39 GMT
#1026
On November 22 2014 10:38 Holyflare wrote:
because he's using things as mafia tells which aren't and has maintained that I am mafia the entire game and made no effort to change that read at all and afk's a lot and only returned to antagonise further


Ok.
Is VE scum?
Is Rayn scum?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 22 2014 02:15 GMT
#1045
Wow I'm starting to like this game because this is the most bizarre one that I have been into.

I'm having town feelings from people that usually looks scummy (damdred, Templar, ritoky, slam) and I'm having scum feelings from people that usually looks town (VE, HF, Rayn)

Oh god I'm loving it
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 22 2014 02:17 GMT
#1048
On November 22 2014 11:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:
On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 10:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should all just sheep me onto hopeless though that would be very cool

Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs

But why hopeless over killersos


because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing

On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together.


Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE.

Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable.

On November 22 2014 11:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
templar whats your prefered lynch order right now?

mine is:

killer
lian
ve
chez
damred


why is chez 4th and killer 1st? aren't they basically the exact same person at this point?

good observation. I would vote cheeze sammich too

Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content.


because hindsight is a wonderful thing and now that read has expired while you did absolutely nothing with that information that you had and instead have dropped SL from the face of the earth as he doesn't feature in your list despite you saying previously that what he was doing was scummy


Hmm. This is good.
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#1050
On November 22 2014 11:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Sometimes RNGsus gives people alignments that are more rich than a host could or would be willing to do

This is not outside the realm of possibility GB


It isn't, I know. But it's fucking mindblowing!
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November 22 2014 02:21 GMT
#1051
I think I ninja'd you, HF.
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November 22 2014 02:25 GMT
#1056
Ok so we are not lynching chez today. We have better targets, a town lean doesn't want to lynch him and I hardly believe we can convince people to switch votes to him at the time.

HF, you have reasons on Hopeless. He is a question mark to me. Can you consolidate the reasons you read him as scum?
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November 22 2014 02:28 GMT
#1057
Oh I forgot FF is playing the game

Lol so many lynch targets
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November 22 2014 02:28 GMT
#1059
People, I'm really sleepy right now. I ask you to consolidate because I'll sleep very soon
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November 22 2014 02:35 GMT
#1065
Slam, I didn't want to say if this "early", but I find weird that he isn't trying to defend himself. He isn't trying to avoid the lynch, which I expect from a mafia. I see these scenarios:

1) he is mafia and is waiting for his scum partners to shift attention from him
2) he is mafia and is letting himself be bussed
3) he is town and he is really busy/not really caring

If it's the first scenario, he probably would come to the thread near eaibe to try to but be lynched. It won't happen anymore since I've pointed this out, but, what can I do :/ I won't be here near deadline
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#1067
On November 22 2014 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
wait this is ms paint mafai
[image loading]


Wow.
I have no idea what this is.
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#1070
On November 22 2014 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
I gave you a consolidated hopeless post gb???


Sorry, I didn't see it
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#1072
Ok, HF. The only thing I agree with you is the random questioning with no follow ups and the sick locker read.

What do you think of sick lucker, HF?
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#1074
On November 22 2014 11:41 sicklucker wrote:
I just realized rayn might get mod killed because he went to bed without doing a paint. Is that a thing that can really happen?


Man, you're ignoring the whole discussion in the thread. I'm starting to wonder if you are too scum to be scum.
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November 22 2014 02:47 GMT
#1078
Slam: hopeless, FF or sick lucker. Who do I vote?
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November 22 2014 02:50 GMT
#1082
I can't keep awake anymore.
I'm lynching killer.

Good night people
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November 22 2014 02:51 GMT
#1086
Oh please don't lunch hope. He is more like a question mark than definetely scum.

Lunch scummy lurker. Any. But keep people I can avatar later alive.
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#1090
On November 22 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 11:50 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't keep awake anymore.
I'm lynching killer.

Good night people


No
No
No
No
No
You are mafia


Don't do this. I'm really tired. I'll be really mad if you mislynch me, even if you are mafia. Like. Really mad.
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November 22 2014 02:55 GMT
#1094
He IS a question mark. Hopwlesgebds robe much more passive when he is mafia. I do t feel sure about lynching him
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#1095
Lol I'm really sleepy
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#1103
On November 22 2014 11:57 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:
He IS a question mark. Hopwlesgebds robe much more passive when he is mafia. I do t feel sure about lynching him


I FEEL SURE. He is the definition of fucking passive. You agree all he has done is ask questions with no follow up. You agree he's dropped reads on people that are scummy.

Why are you NOT voting him???


I'm not sheeping you today, HF
Not today

I'm not voting him be aide he is being g a five a d not as passive as I remember him on avogadri
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#1104
I have no mental capacity to keep playing. Good night
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#1107
I'm partner with hope?
Do you think I, as scum, would be hard defending him so much if we both were mafia? On day1?
Lol
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#1112
I'm mafia because I don't want to lynch hopeless?
Are you so tunnelled that you are already making unflipped association?

Lololol
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#1115
On November 22 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not so tunneled. I have made a more than 90% sure read on hopeless which you even agreed to but you'd rather sleep and fuck over the town on the afk lurker instead.


I gave absolute reasons on why we should lynch killer
He is surviving without being committed to the thread
He could have being busy but he was here like 6 hours ago and did NOTHING.
He could be interacting, he could be reading the game and giving reads, yet he has done noting.

Hopeless, on the other hand, is at least interacting. I'm not saying hopeless isn't scummy, HF. I'm saying he is not. Avoid lynch anymore.
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#1116
On November 22 2014 12:08 Damdred wrote:
Just got home,

GB just stay a litlle longer to try to work this out i'm about to read hopeless now to see if I like him over SL.And sheep me yea?


I can't damdy.
I'm really tired.

And I've made my mind right now. I'm not voting hopeless and I'm keeping my vote on the scummy lurker.

See you tomorrow, if you don't mislynch me.
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#1248
I'm lunching VE tomorrow
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#1250
On November 22 2014 20:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 20:16 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm lunching VE tomorrow


no you fucked up you are voting hopeless, nothing you say is relevant anymore you have lost your opinion in this game until you sheep me correctly


HF, VE has being acting scummy a lot of times. Now, near the end of the day, he comes t the thread and votes with you. WITH YOU. HE WAS SCUMREADING YOU. HE HAD NO REASON TO SWITCH HIS VOTE TO HOPELESS.

Why did he vote with his top scumread?
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#1257
I think I can get behind a hopeless lynch tomorrow. I have to read you more carefully before, HF .

I still think VE is a better lynch though. You can accuse him for basically the same things you're accusing hopeless
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#1259
On November 22 2014 20:46 Holyflare wrote:
Who cares if I fucked up anyway? If you are town you are sitting in categorically the BEST fucking spot in this game because I wanted to push off a lurker lynch onto you who is active but people were so very hesitant to do it despite agreeing with me (gb etc) and slam who has sheeped everyone all game decides it's not best to sheep me this time even though he literally sheeped rayn and ve WITHOUT EVEN READING THE GAME

you have the most information in this game and all you are doing is sitting there telling us how bad we are


you aren't towny


So, slam is mafia?
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November 22 2014 14:17 GMT
#1321
Oh my god Rayn I can't believe you can't see VE's posts through a mafia perspective.
Like, seriously. I may be wrong on VE, of course I may be. But you're not considering looking his posts through another POV.
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#1324
On November 22 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 23:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh my god Rayn I can't believe you can't see VE's posts through a mafia perspective.
Like, seriously. I may be wrong on VE, of course I may be. But you're not considering looking his posts through another POV.

You are not going to convince me of VE being mafia here. Just because i have played a shitton with VE recently and while i have not seen his mafia play for a while i know how he plays as town and this is exactly like it.

What are your reads on Damdred, Templar, Hopeless and Slam?


I read damdred as town, Templar as null, hopeless as leaning scum, slam as null.

I had a town read on both Templar and slam, but you're bringing insightful points on him and I'm not sure about slam after the flip.

But I still have a feeling they are more likely to be town.

Rayn, you're using your feeling over objective reads. What I said about VE IS objectively scum.

I just ask you to reconsider reading VE through another POV. We can discuss this later.
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#1326
On November 22 2014 23:36 liancourt wrote:
Rawr shoot temp


You're going to die tonight
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#1328
The vigi will probably shoot him
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#1330
On November 23 2014 00:23 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:
The vigi will probably shoot him

Why won't the vig shoot me?


I bet the vigi won't shoot you. He has no motive to do so.
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#1354
On November 23 2014 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
On November 23 2014 01:42 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 23 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:
On November 22 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote:
Two strongest town on strongest wagon;

Hence with my return I
[image loading]


you sheeped your 2 strongest town reads without even reading the game

On November 22 2014 06:30 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Slam do you have scumreads or just townreads?

Neither really just vet sheeping

I play horribly openly.


you openly vet sheeped which is cool even though you didn't have your own reads


then you ditched everything to lynch lurkers because you had no better alternative once I started to draw people off of templar and then completely ignored the hopeless lynch to lynch someone who was just afk and nothing more and hadn't even commented on any of the hopeless stuff at all you just said "i don't see it" even though there is nothing not to see because my case explains everything that he's done that is scummy and there is no "i don't see it" because it IS scummy

I just said it, but for tl:dr reasons I will specifically state the answer to this part.

That is because you three phuxed up and Deffo have a scum amongst you but since you all h8 each other I can't figure out who.

So I have to trust none of you.


Absolutely just no wtf is this.

You say why am I arguing with VE when he is doing scummy things. You say I shouldn't question rayn when he's doing scummy things and dismissing everything valid but then you say we should all make up but theres definitely 1 scum between us!?!?!??!?!?! wtf wtf wtf

THEN you say that I FUCKED UP??????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Well you are right, RVEHF. BUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU THREE BEHAVED SO BADLY THAT UOU DID NOT DESERVE IT AND CONFUSED EVERYONE AND I HAD TO DO SKMETHING


I made THE BEST case in the game to lynch someone scummy that absolutely nobody followed for no reason at all and nobody sheeped it. Don't tell me I fucked up and confused people when I was the only one trying to drive the lynch into a direction that wasn't on our veteran.

lolol this is so good!
I love you HF. <3

Although i disagree with one thing. I made the best case on d1.


Now kiss.

Can we start organising reads instead of scream at one another?

We still have a lot of bad people. FF, sick licker are two examples here
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#1360
[quote]On November 23 2014 01:35 Holyflare wrote:
Hide nested quote -
I can't really stay up any longer... Please just look at hopeless' filter page 2 onwards when the game actually starts and then just sheep me

Repeated questions that lead nowhere with no follow up and lots of "what do you think about that person?" and "what about this person?"
this is the scummiest trait on hopeless and I agreed on it. But damdred also does it when he is town, and he did it this game. Why lynching hopeless over damdred, in this case? I believe you should be pushing both of them, and not only hopeless.
Defending peoples thought processes and telling us what scum do (in regards to templars post) but it was actually quite the opposite and weird (he said mafia want to try and not scum read people in their posts which didn't make sense)
this is not alignment indicative and if you think so, I've point something similar from VE but you're not scumreading him right now
Scum read SL for interaction with VE but completely dropped any line of questioning to do with SL and despite scum reading him he doesn't even appear in his scum list. When queried where the read went the super weird response of you should have followed it up for me was given which does not show any kind of town playing in the dark thinking at all
[b]this is also strong and I have nothing against your logic here[b]
Dismissal of ve, rayn and me but previously had town reads on us (maybe not ve?) when nothing had changed in between.
I don't think scum would be so careless to flip their reads when nothing has changed. More likely to be town paranoia

I'm posting this one last time. I want people that don't have hopeless as their main lynch of choice to tell me WHY these points don't make him scummier than anyone else. I want them to dissect this post and tell me why they disagree with it. I want the people that chose not to sheep me on hopeless but instead lynch our veteran to explain what was wrong with this case and why they chose a guy that wasn't even playing the game over someone who has done only scummy things.

Time to step up slackers.

it's not a problem of bad arguments, it's a problem of better lynch targets. I was pretty insecure on who to vote but I was also very sleepy. You were a scum mean to me, as VE and also Rayn. VE had a weird push on Hopeless. How can I vote with 2 people that I thought that may be scum?
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November 22 2014 18:44 GMT
#1379
Rayn I didn't vote Templar because I feel he is townish. I can't exactly understand why. It looks that he is trying to contribute.

Sick lucker is completely strange. He said he will sheep Rayn earlier, but then he admits all veterans are looking scummy, now he says I was voting for 2 towns (him and VE).

1) he is completely sure that VE is town, which is weird
2) but he said veterans are scummy. Wat?????

Now just because HF is making unflipped association and saying I am mafia, sick lucker agrees with him.

Lol.
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November 22 2014 18:57 GMT
#1383
Holyflare, as you can see, I didn't vote VE also because I thought we could deal with him day2.

I said that I wanted to lynch scummy lurkers and that is what I felt killer was. I'm doing it since Avogadro mafia.

I don't know what more I can say to convince you. I wasn't going to sheep you if I felt you could be scum.
I wasn't risking going to day2 with someone I have no information on.
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November 22 2014 19:06 GMT
#1386
Also, lynch ff
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#1387
This is the list of people I'm okay to lynch day2:
Sick licker
VE
Hopeless
FF

Not in order of preference
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#1390
On November 23 2014 04:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
GB why you so mad at me?


I'm not mad, I love you
I just feel like you're not trying your best

I simply saw you commenting on the TL Idea Factory and not putting any thoughts on the game whatsoever. Only when I pointed you out. Which is scummy
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#1397
On November 23 2014 04:45 sicklucker wrote:
This is ff's standard town play. Last game he was just watching starcraft the whole game. Ive never seen his mafia play tho


I find adorable that you already have a meta read on a new player as a new player.

He does this as both alignments.

I'll lynch everyone who is objectively scummy.
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#1403
On November 23 2014 04:57 sicklucker wrote:
im just saying ff is null and your reason for scum reading ff is terrible


lol.

I'm lynching you.
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#1482
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.
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#1487
On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.


This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.

Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.

Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.

"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.


Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play.

You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit.

I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish.

This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well.

But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?
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#1490
On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.


This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.

Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.

Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.

"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.


Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play.

You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit.

I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish.

This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well.

But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?


VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so...

Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this:

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ.


then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective.


Uhm... I've pointed it out before.

VE isn't committed to the game either.

The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that.

You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 02:34 GMT
#1492
On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:
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On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.


This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.

Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.

Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.

"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.


Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play.

You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit.

I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish.

This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well.

But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?


VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so...

Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this:

On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ.


then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective.


Uhm... I've pointed it out before.

VE isn't committed to the game either.

The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that.

You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum.


??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia???

and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia?


Question: when did you really decided I was mafia?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 03:30 GMT
#1494
On November 23 2014 12:20 ritoky wrote:
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On November 23 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:

1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.

By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.

Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention.


This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation.

Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing.

Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town.

"why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum.


Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play.

You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit.

I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish.

This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well.

But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it?


VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so...

Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this:

On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ.


then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective.


Uhm... I've pointed it out before.

VE isn't committed to the game either.

The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that.

You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum.


??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia???

and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia?


Question: when did you really decided I was mafia?


i have a 4 page filter, it's not that hard to comb through. but i guess i can do your own work for you: like you're not willing to find it yourself or push your VE read? what are you willing to do?

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On November 22 2014 18:52 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done.
I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay?

Not call each other dumb, scumhunt.
Deal?


did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page.

hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit.


man that was tough to find!!!! owait


Lol ritoky. You could've think I was scummy before the lynch but still not mention it in the thread. Your stance against me, and this post of yours in particular feels so forced.

I'm re reading the game to have a better grasp of my reads, although I think I may die tonight without been able to post them.

This is what I'm saying: you're reading me as scum ONLY because killer was town. You repeatedly say that we lynched our blue, implying people knew that. This is forced.

You have a scum read on hopeless. I don't wish to vote him day1. Therefore, I'm his partner.

Logic fails.

Who else is scum, ritoky? I'm partner with hopeless. Two more guys.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 03:39 GMT
#1495
Boy, I have NO DOUBT VE is scum, and I'm only up to page 10. Lololol
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 03:49 GMT
#1497
On November 23 2014 08:03 ritoky wrote:
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On November 23 2014 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Why do you want to lynch only GB and by a mile?

I do take offense at that I brought legitamate things forward rit.

Also templar why you defend me in one post and berate me in another ;;


not saying you haven't, am saying i don't remember them, most of what i remember from you is small questions with 0 follow-up from early on and then a bunch of defense. also your filter is shorter than mine, which is bizarre.

he had a scum read on someone, detailed the length to which he agreed with the scum read on one of his top town reads (or at least someone he was talking to like he read as town in HF) and for no good reason decided to vote on a null read. when asked to justify he acts like it never happened and he didn't just lynch a blue. then he pursues the same line of thought and same mindset/reads that just led him to lynch a blue. and suddenly he wants to lynch hopeless again???? you just had the opportunity and decided to pass up on it for no fucking reason at all other than "lol dis gai afk" he needs to die IMMEDIATELY.

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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 04:02 GMT
#1498
Ok I'm still way behind in the thread, I won't be able to make a full case on VE, so I'll just bring some specific posts.


VE's bad posts

On November 20 2014 16:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On November 20 2014 16:28 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is weird.


oh how vague of you.

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This was clearly not MSPaint


surprised by you VE, usually you all over people when they use vague and non-descript words. why you not on rayn for saying HF weird?

Because he's right, HF is weird. And he's mafia and he's going to fucking die. I would be more concerned if he used a positive vague word like "snappy" or "happenin".

Is this another "gotcha" moment or something?


This logic is completely bizarre. Rayn came to the thread, dropped a sentence, and VE completely flipped his read to call holyflare mafia and never change his vote on him. He calls HF mafia because HF isn't agreeing with him (lol?). He seems to read Rayn as town for no reason whatsoever. Rayn also tried to dismiss my case on VE, then simply said he misread something and did not further comment on it. He is avoiding any real interaction with VE. He is hard defending VE without even considering the possibility of VE being town.

But the point is: look at his weird excuse to think rayn's opening wasn't "vague". The wording. He also scumreads hopeless for using "we", so he looks like he is part of town. Lol.

On November 20 2014 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On November 20 2014 16:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:56 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
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I'm not a hypocrite. There's a very STARK difference between what I'm accusing Hopeless of, making contentless posts to appear contributory, and what I'm doing, which is making a read on someone based on my observation of their play.

There's literally nothing mafia about what I've done in the thread so far, you're either butthurt about the last game or you're mafia. I'll accept either one, but I'm voting for Hopeless because he claimed mafia first.


claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.

you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours.

This is LITERALLY what you just did to me. I didn't "gotcha" anything about Hopeless, he did some things, and I explained why I thought they made him mafia. I didn't "catch" him doing anything. You're the one who is saying I'm mafia for doing this, and YOU are doing this. What does that make you ritoky?


and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted.

Why do you say I overreacted?


On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there's a vote for you and a link to your filter. That's case enough for me, for reasons I provided. If you WANT to, I GUESS you could answer MY points.

What value is there in "deciphering" chez's snowflake or figuring out what the blue thing is on Chez' first picture?
I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about.
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Is that going to help you get a read on Chez?
Not really.
On November 20 2014 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think it's more likely that you just wanted to appear contributory. You even throw in a "we" there talking about the special snowflake, implying that you're a part of town.
"Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit.


bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide.

He took an already shaky premise and twisted the word "we" into a scumread. That is fucking ludicrous and I will not stand for it.


then advance the game in a more positive direction rather than just sitting there whining about it and being defensive?

that falls in the OMGUS VE category.

But you don't think I'm mafia Hopeless, and if you do that PROVES you're mafia. Because you're a good player and you know that this is how I play as town. As mafia I'm totally different, I lurk hard, and I come in with big posts and then play defense. That's my style, and that's how I win. OR lose.


There is no such thing as this assumption. This is NOT VE's mafia meta. This self-meta is completely bullshit. He also lurks as town and sometimes lose the game for lurking/not caring too much (see Avogadro).

By the way, the correct meta read on VE is this one on spoilers. Hapahauli NAILED it and lynched mafia VE day1:

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On September 25 2014 06:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Got home today wondering if my stuff on VE last night was my own confirmation bias or something legitimate. And I think it's legitimate.

Everything about VE's play screams "false confidence".

This is a quote from VE in Storm 2 mafia.
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On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out.

##Vote: mderg

If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on.


It's very descriptive of his early town Day 1 play. Town VE likes going for people who aren't active and are not contributing.

To go after me this confidently early on is really really unlike his town-play. And this is very consistent through his recent town-games.

In LXVIII, he is on a lot of wagons, focusing mostly on Lurkers and newer players. First Fecalcast, then an inactive holyflare, then a brief OMGUS on Rayn before wanting to lynch an afk Palmar at the end of the day due to town consensus.
In Storm 2, he tunnles mderg, a classic Day 1 lurker.
In Neat and Tidy Mafia, he goes after MysteryMeat for early Day 1, who was inactive/lurkish/etc.
In Normal Mini LVI, he reads SloOsh and BH as possibly mafia, but turns down voting them in favor of a lurkish player, mderg:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=14#262

The basic summary is that VE as town is not a player who confidently locks onto one player. He's a guy that's always mindful of inactives, has a self-awareness of his play and the rest of the game, to the point where he will drop his own reads to consolidate with the opinion of the town.

To go after me (a vet, and the most active player in the game so far) so early and so confidently is so unlike his town-play. To instantly read two less-active players as town (MM and Damdred) so early into the game is borderline insanity for his town play.


Take a look at this quote from VE's most recent town game (LXVIII):
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On September 15 2014 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't want to lynch rayn but I will if all my townies agree he's mafia.

But frankly I don't want to lynch one of the Rock Stars either, so I don't like disagree with rayn. Palmar gave a TONE read. Does he do that? When did he die and become Robik? What's going on here?


He reads rayn as town, but is self-aware enough of his own read-accuracy that he's willing to be bullied off of reads.

YOSO Mafia contains my favorite example of this:
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On April 27 2014 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like whatever you don't like my townread of Caller. Cool story bros.

##Unvote
##Vote: Caller


Maybe you're right. The remainder of my posts will be about other players. Thank you for your patience and understanding.


...where VE literally gets bullied off of his town-read of Caller pages after he makes it. Self-awareness of his own accuracy, etc.

So VE is so mindful of thread sentiment and the opinions of other townies that he can be bullied off of his own reads. Consistently. He'll even swap votes just because other people aren't agreeing with him without even changing his mind about his reads.


VE is defined by confidence.

And this confidence usually manifests itself through his reads.

His early Day 1 play in Catastrophe Mafia:
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On April 03 2014 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
iamperfection is saying all the right things to all the right people. #toptownmvpyoloswag420blazeit

I'm town too, and we're going to wreck face. Get dominated scum.

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On April 03 2014 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:14 Killing wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:04 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:58 Killing wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:51 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:49 Killing wrote:
On April 03 2014 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2014 09:51 yamato77 wrote:
Dandel's post makes me want to kill him, too.

Rayn's reads are shitty because there's no reason to go "YEP HE'S TOWN" 5 minutes into the game unless you're mafia trying to make friends.

I disagree. So the actual reads are not the problem here?


Can you explain what this means?

I don't think there is no reason to post early gut reads. It is much more useful than proposing a random lynch for example.


So you think gut reads are better than just saying nothing and random lynching yet you've said nothing? I think everything you've said so far has been incredibly fluffly. You had the smiley read that was incredibly random and then your explanation for why you asked the reasoning for WoS vs Robik was bad as well. You stated that you asked for the reason on the WoS read because robik opened the exact same way.

On April 03 2014 09:33 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Robik your read on Wave is wrong.

Troll or serious?


Then why do you prod him about it if you get where he's coming from. After that you go into traffic cop mode trying to settle the dispute between DI and Rob. You're my top scumread so far so I'd love to actually hear some content rather than all of this fluff.

Seriously dude? You are contradicting yourself in the first part of your post... if I give a random read then that is more than most people here did. Maybe you should explain why my reasoning is bad instead of just throwing shit. I don't even know what you are talking about here. I never said WoS and Robik opened the same way?!


You wanted to know the reasoning of the WoS read but never asked for the robik one. I never said that you read them the same way. It seemed that you were curious about the WoS read but then you didn't really care about why he read Rob town. Your only read has been that you liked the smiley thing so I wouldn't agree than "that is more than most people here did".

I did ask because I did not follow the WoS read while I thought I understood the robik read. Like I already said. Maybe you should read what I say. I also never said that I like the smiley read I just know that it is a thing for them.
Why is it scummy for me to only question one of rayns reads? Explain.


It's suspicious because you could maybe be on a team with the person you're ignoring - or maybe trying to buddy them in some way. It's suspicious because it seems like you have information that the rest of us don't have, or at least I THINK that's what Killing is saying.

I think you're town as fuck.

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On April 03 2014 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
iamp, JAT and VE. Killing town too, maybe Wave, maybe sandroba. Maybe not sandroba. I'll lynch any lurker, including myself. Any questions? No? Good, everyone GO.


Town reads everywhere. Really confident about them, but also very questionable logic.

Tone is half-trollish, half-serious, and VE is appearing to play along with the thread.

Sound familiar? This is exactly what he did in this game. Play along wiht the townie points thing, take a very half-serious/trollish tone, and dole out some incomprensibly confident town-reads on MM/Damdred for incomprehensible reasons.

His confidence manifests itself in Carnival Cruise through his scum-reads.

An initial super-confident push on WaveOfShadow:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=22#435

Doesn't really drop his case on Wave, then pushes Oats:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=23#443

Then, all aboard the VAYNE TRAIN!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=44#876

He's super-confident about all of his early pushes, and by the end of Day 1, thinks all of these players are mafia. Isn't necessarily going after lurkers, and is just indiscriminately going on people he can push cases on.

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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 04:04 GMT
#1499
Forgot to say that this kind of confidence is EXACTLY what VE is having in this game. He scumreads and townreads people for shitty reasons and keeps those reads.

To me, VE just look like he has the town traits in mind (aggressive, suspicious, participative) and it's trying to emulate this. Everything seems forced coming from him.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 04:10 GMT
#1500
On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:
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On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up.

He made a good case on SL


where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue.

i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141


i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best.


You were also having a scumread on sick lucker earlier, if I'm correct. What changed?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 04:27 GMT
#1503
Lol I can't explain mysf anymore.
Why are you ignoring what ive brought from VE?

Well, if you're going to vote me, you'll be lynching a townie or simply wasting your vote.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 04:38 GMT
#1505
Ok town, ok going to sleep. In case I die:
Lynch VE
Lynch FF
Lynch Hopeless, maybe (I don't know, I feel he is scummy but there is something making me hesitant to lynch him. Maybe it's because one scumread of mine [VE] was pushing him since the beginning)

Take a look at: Rayn, sick lucker, Ritoky

Constantly reevaluate HF. See if he is having double standards. If yes, he might be mafia. But he looks townie until now.

Good night.
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November 23 2014 04:39 GMT
#1506
On November 23 2014 13:34 liancourt wrote:
I like how thread sentiment is a pissing contest rather than finding scum


I like how you're ignoring my case on VE and not playing the game.
I'm constantly forgetting you're playing. You look like a good lynch too as for now
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November 23 2014 04:44 GMT
#1508
On November 23 2014 13:41 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 13:39 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 13:34 liancourt wrote:
I like how thread sentiment is a pissing contest rather than finding scum


I like how you're ignoring my case on VE and not playing the game.
I'm constantly forgetting you're playing. You look like a good lynch too as for now

Agree with this.
Liancourtyboy has had about 6000 opportunities to do something other than what he did day 1 (which was basically throw scum accusations at me until I ran out of funny things to reply with). He took none of them.


It bothers me that you are reading the whole discussion with ritoky, probably passed by my VE case, but just commented on this, not following up the question you've made me.
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November 23 2014 04:57 GMT
#1513
On November 23 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
I come in when i want

and i saw 2 egos having a who has the biggest dick contest

Why did u come in? Just to play with me cos u have a hardon LOL


Well, I sure have it.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 04:59 GMT
#1514
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:

1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.

That's it. Kthxbai
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 05:21 GMT
#1518
Lol ritoky.
There you are.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 05:25 GMT
#1521
We are lynching VE if someone else claims vigi.
That's all we will do.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 05:27 GMT
#1522
Immediately claim, by the way.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 11:41 GMT
#1562
On November 23 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i don't even have to play.
Lynch Templar. Then lynch Slam. Then ask GB why his reads are/were shit and take a close look at Damdred.

bang game solved, everyone else was town.


Well, I was the only one hesitant to lynch hopeless and he flipped town. Maybe my reads are not that shifty.

I have no idea why you want to lynch slam.
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November 23 2014 11:48 GMT
#1566
On November 23 2014 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i don't even have to play.
Lynch Templar. Then lynch Slam. Then ask GB why his reads are/were shit and take a close look at Damdred.

bang game solved, everyone else was town.


Well, I was the only one hesitant to lynch hopeless and he flipped town. Maybe my reads are not that shifty.

I have no idea why you want to lynch slam.

Yeah also i got shot, and FF got roleblocked.
Oh right you called us scum.


Oh c'mon Rayn, you know roleblock claims are one of the safest claims for mafia. Of course it makes FF more likely to be town, but it does not confirm him.

Also, could you explain why do you think slam is mafia?
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November 23 2014 11:50 GMT
#1568
On November 23 2014 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So hey GB who are you gonna push now when all your scumreads or "people you are hesitant about" got confirmed in a way or another?


I'm probably with you on Templar. I've pointed out some odd behaviours of him at night and now that you claim being saved, I'm more comfortable with cooperativ with you.
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November 23 2014 12:03 GMT
#1570
On November 23 2014 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 20:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So hey GB who are you gonna push now when all your scumreads or "people you are hesitant about" got confirmed in a way or another?


I'm probably with you on Templar. I've pointed out some odd behaviours of him at night and now that you claim being saved, I'm more comfortable with cooperativ with you.

It's really funny you say this.
Why in your last post during the night there is no Templar mentioned anywhere?

In fact you kinda left out all of the people me and Holyflare talked about except for Hopeless who we know is town now despite taking part to the discussion and NOT disagreeing with us. Then, when you post your "thoughts" your reads are completely different from how you acted a couple of hours before. That sir, is realllyyy scummy.


I'm reevaluating my reads, Rayn. That's not scummy at all. I don't know who is scum so I'm changing my point of view everytime. I had VE as certain scum.
Have you read what I wrote on him at night? I bet you didn't.

Why would I, as scum, flip my reads and draw attention like that? Scum has perfect information, they don't need to do what I'm doing. It's not the safest plan.

I've wrote things that were bothering me about Templar. I did it at the very end of the night. You're pushing me without really knowing what my thoughts were.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 12:12 GMT
#1572
On November 23 2014 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because you shot me and Holyflare and other people are incapable of going back and rereading.
If we both die you have a game plan and noone will most likely go back and read what you actually did.

And no, i didn't read a single thing anyone wrote on VE because people wrote townie things were scummy.. And that's retarded.


That's exactly what happened Rayn. You've caught me.
I have a Luger that I've bought on eBay, recommended by my girlfriend I've met on eHarmony.

Because I'm the only mafia in the game. I'm completely afraid that you and holyflare would go against me because reasons.

Gg

PS: ritoky was much more aggressive against me than holyflare was. In your stream of thoughts, a night kill on him would be the most correct, instead of you.
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November 23 2014 12:14 GMT
#1573
On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:

1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.

That's it. Kthxbai

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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 12:22 GMT
#1575
I wasn't certain on that scumread.
I've explained multiple times why I preferred to lunch killer.

Rayn, you're ignoring EVERYTHING ELSE I post and manipulate what I write to fit your scumread on me. Why are you doing that?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 12:31 GMT
#1577
On November 23 2014 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't care what elsr you have written.
You voted with your scumread while stating you didn't want to lynch someone because your scumread was pushing them.

You literally wrote so, and it doesn't make any sense from town perspective.
I have nothing else to say on this.


Awesome. Lose the game one more time.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 14:34 GMT
#1579
Nah, Templar. I didn't ignore it. I just don't think they are strong answers. Those are not meta reads.

Anyway, this game is pretty much confusing and boring. A lot of people aren't even trying to solve the game. It's happening too much lately. I don't understand why they even bother signing in.
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November 23 2014 14:57 GMT
#1581
On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:

1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.

That's it. Kthxbai

1) Meta, not much else to say
2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that.
3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta.


1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother.
2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town.
3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta.

Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 15:02 GMT
#1582
Also, very poor play to claim vigi and right after claiming being healed, narrowing roleblock targets.

I should also add that it's bizarre that Rayn says he was shot AND healed. There is nothing in the OP that says that the healed person receives a message, when the OP clearly states that the roleblocked person receives one.

What was the message Rayn have got? "You were shot but you were healed"? Lol
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November 23 2014 15:09 GMT
#1584
On November 24 2014 00:06 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:
On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:

1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.

That's it. Kthxbai

1) Meta, not much else to say
2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that.
3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta.


1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother.
2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town.
3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta.

Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta.

It's meta because I do it every game?


I'm confused. Are you trying to say that this isn't alignment indicative because you do the 3 stated things every game?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 15:59 GMT
#1594
Nah, templur.
You're probably mafia after this.
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November 23 2014 16:03 GMT
#1598
On November 24 2014 01:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Hmm but neither does Templar seem a fool.

I shall consider these things.

But then, does not Rayn AND VE scumread tehtemplar?


Well
Rayn scumreads you.

What do you think of Rayn claiming being shot and saved?
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November 23 2014 16:15 GMT
#1600
On November 21 2014 08:04 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi Rayn
I love you
Who is scum?

How common is sheeping Rayn? I haven't actually seen many of his games.

Show nested quote +
On November 21 2014 02:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok so we are discussing obs qt posts?
Because that's not very accurate instrument to catch mafia. Opinions change from game to game. The solidest proof of what I'm saying was damdreds case on me on Hearthstone. He read me scum for having different opinion from the one I had on FFL 2 mafia, and I was town in both.

Bring me something solid and constant, and thread-only. Reads differ from obs to thread because there is a difference on pressure.

I like this post the most, and it's why I don't like meta-reads. People do change ideas, methods of playing, and the players they are playing against (and their opinions of them), sort of every game. I prefer to stay only inside the thread, so I'm ok with most of the reads on me so far. (Although I have a pretty obvious style of play as both mafia and town that I refuse to/can't change).
While this isn't particularly relevant, it's how I am viewing the game which is probably important if Rayn fails to lynch me today.

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On November 21 2014 06:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 21 2014 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu following the Chezinu Rule is pretty townie Chezinu imo. Anyone disagree? Like yeah, he could do it as both alignments...but if you assume he's mafia then what do you think that means about Hopeless? And why does he unvote Hopeless only to vote sicklucker if he's mafia?

Anyone disagree with my line of thinking here? Like, if Chez is mafia then the assumption is that Hopeless is town (based on Chez voting for him), so Chez voting for sicklucker (also presumably town for Chez vote) doesn't make much sense if he's mafia. It doesn't really make sense from any perspective other than Hopeless/Chez mafia, which if that's the case then why does he vote for him in the first place?

For the moment I'm going to go ahead and say that I'll never lynch Chezinu today.


1st Paragraph) it's easier for mafia to follow a rule (or policy) than actually putting thought on the game. Following rules seems to be more scummy than townie to me. I can't understand your insistence in calling Chezinu town. I also don't understand why you say that Chezinu is probably town and then assumes it's a null tell right after and justifies calling him town using associative reads. Are you calling him town for using a rule or because you're doing associative reads? These are two different sources of read.

Unvoting hopeless to vote sicklucker is a null tell.

2nd) Unflipped association. Lol. I prefer to think this way: "can this be done by a mafia? Is it more likely, less likely or equally likely to do as mafia?" And my answer is Yes and Equally likely.

3rd) For the moment or you're never going to lynch Chezinu?

VE, you simply repeated your idea on both first and second paragraph. Your writing style doesn't look fluid, but fabricated, full of hesitation ("does anyone agree?" "for the moment I'll say I'll never lynch him)

Meh, I found this post horrible.

Not much to say other than I completely agree with this post. I like how Rayn completely disagreed, and then read it again and suddenly agreed. What the hell did he misread in order to change his opinion that much?

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On November 21 2014 06:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 21 2014 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i misread something.
That post from VE is a big pile of ???????????????????????????????????????

VE, wtf?


LOL NO.

Explain this post
(this is the equivalent of getting being a 6 year old getting called to the principal's office)

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On November 21 2014 06:24 GlowingBear wrote:
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I don't understand this picture.

And no there is no vote count.



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November 23 2014 16:16 GMT
#1601
On November 24 2014 00:57 The_Templar wrote:
sicklucker
OK, I have a usable meta read on SL now that Campus mafia has finished, so now I'm re-evaluating what I think of him.

As town, he was extremely confident in how town he was, and basically used that "fact" in order to make cases and form reads. He also pretty much ignored WIFOM to do this.
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 07 2014 05:24 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2014 02:47 sicklucker wrote:
I think sentinal would be a better lynch then ima. He was who I ment when I think there were better targets earlier. He seemed so active in this game before I entered but since I have been I think hes posted once or twice. Hes the likely leader for alot of the mafia teams as he seems more experienced.

I feel like he went mute because he was caught in a bad spot because of kelsiers high risk high reward play and he doesint think hes on the chopping block yet or has just given up.

I think its more likely imma is a bad town then sentinel is a bad town. Maybe someone whos played with him before can give us more


ok I misread your message so disregard the second part.

Actually the fact sentinel saved cricket from the vote is very town to me Because I know im town. Im gonna have to take another look at sentinel

Sentinel where are you???!

(Note: he replaced Cricketer12)

On November 08 2014 04:01 sicklucker wrote:
lol now that was an acual "slip" even tho im town are watcher or medic should come out

On November 08 2014 05:03 sicklucker wrote:
Im not a good lynch today . Right now in both your mind im just this solo arrogant bad guy but you cant peice together any logical team mates for me because im town.

On November 11 2014 09:29 sicklucker wrote:
I think if breskes or another longshot is mafia he wins even with 3 lynches. He will just leave serejai me and elvis as the towns and they will just off me.

Infact theres 0% chance I dont get mislynched if this game goes on and I know im town so we really only have 2 chances to hit mafia in this game from my perspective.

I think this next lynch is very important ff and this is not the auto win your making it out to be, but then again you dont belive im town so..

On November 11 2014 15:00 sicklucker wrote:
So something we can go on is who do you think, would think that serejai is the medic? Because thats are last mafia. Im sure whoever was deciding who to block is are last one left since kush and sent didnt care about this game.

I know this is gonna get turned on me but im bringing it up anyway (because im town) but who do you think woulda thought serejai was the medic on day 2 and 3? Give a reason.

Im thinking he was targeted because he pushed me for something I said about the medic.


The list goes on. He also defended himself by saying "I would never do X if I was mafia so I must be town" in various ways. So basically, he based the entire game on him being town and actually took action based on this.

He also read players based on their actions based on their reads instead of commenting that these actions should be looked at by other people. So, his thoughts, however bad they might have been, were at least out there before he asked for opinions, at least when the people he was commenting on were talking about him in some way.

Now, let's look at this game.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 21 2014 20:49 sicklucker wrote:
Holy this is my first day one. Im giving my first reaction reads because im trying to help. Im sorry if there not up to your standards. Try to see that im trying with my inexperience I could lurk all day and no one would care.

On November 22 2014 07:02 sicklucker wrote:
The templars defense has stepped up some, I always sheep rayn its what I do im easily the newest player in the game. That being said his reads after his first 2 I liked really sucked. Sheep mode off

On November 22 2014 08:36 sicklucker wrote:
Glowingbears reason for voting me over his top scum (ve) is because he wants to get out a lurker. Ive had a slow start im not gonna make excuses but feel free to look at my filter in my other on going game. Im not a lurker I post ALOT probably too much.

On November 22 2014 14:01 sicklucker wrote:
FF why did you vote me anyway. I basically played the same this game if anyone here knows im a standard terrible town its you...

On November 23 2014 07:44 sicklucker wrote:
GB is a mafia in so many worlds. He voted for 3 towns or 2 if you dont believe me


As you can see, his play has been completely different. He seems to suddenly not confirm he's town all the time, but instead keeps pulling the newbie card. Since he barely did this at all in Campus, it's very suspicious that he would suddenly lose all confidence in his town play as town.
He did not re-evaluate for any of the first four after the previous game ended as those four posts were before Campus mafia LYLO was finished.

So, my belief is that he has been playing completely differently than how he played in Campus at almost the same time, and is therefore a different alignment.

Additionally, I agree with a lot of this case by Damdred, which is a decent scum read on SL.

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November 23 2014 16:18 GMT
#1602
[image loading]
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November 23 2014 16:27 GMT
#1605
On November 24 2014 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 01:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 21 2014 08:04 The_Templar wrote:
On November 21 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi Rayn
I love you
Who is scum?

How common is sheeping Rayn? I haven't actually seen many of his games.

On November 21 2014 02:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok so we are discussing obs qt posts?
Because that's not very accurate instrument to catch mafia. Opinions change from game to game. The solidest proof of what I'm saying was damdreds case on me on Hearthstone. He read me scum for having different opinion from the one I had on FFL 2 mafia, and I was town in both.

Bring me something solid and constant, and thread-only. Reads differ from obs to thread because there is a difference on pressure.

I like this post the most, and it's why I don't like meta-reads. People do change ideas, methods of playing, and the players they are playing against (and their opinions of them), sort of every game. I prefer to stay only inside the thread, so I'm ok with most of the reads on me so far. (Although I have a pretty obvious style of play as both mafia and town that I refuse to/can't change).
While this isn't particularly relevant, it's how I am viewing the game which is probably important if Rayn fails to lynch me today.

On November 21 2014 06:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 21 2014 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu following the Chezinu Rule is pretty townie Chezinu imo. Anyone disagree? Like yeah, he could do it as both alignments...but if you assume he's mafia then what do you think that means about Hopeless? And why does he unvote Hopeless only to vote sicklucker if he's mafia?

Anyone disagree with my line of thinking here? Like, if Chez is mafia then the assumption is that Hopeless is town (based on Chez voting for him), so Chez voting for sicklucker (also presumably town for Chez vote) doesn't make much sense if he's mafia. It doesn't really make sense from any perspective other than Hopeless/Chez mafia, which if that's the case then why does he vote for him in the first place?

For the moment I'm going to go ahead and say that I'll never lynch Chezinu today.


1st Paragraph) it's easier for mafia to follow a rule (or policy) than actually putting thought on the game. Following rules seems to be more scummy than townie to me. I can't understand your insistence in calling Chezinu town. I also don't understand why you say that Chezinu is probably town and then assumes it's a null tell right after and justifies calling him town using associative reads. Are you calling him town for using a rule or because you're doing associative reads? These are two different sources of read.

Unvoting hopeless to vote sicklucker is a null tell.

2nd) Unflipped association. Lol. I prefer to think this way: "can this be done by a mafia? Is it more likely, less likely or equally likely to do as mafia?" And my answer is Yes and Equally likely.

3rd) For the moment or you're never going to lynch Chezinu?

VE, you simply repeated your idea on both first and second paragraph. Your writing style doesn't look fluid, but fabricated, full of hesitation ("does anyone agree?" "for the moment I'll say I'll never lynch him)

Meh, I found this post horrible.

Not much to say other than I completely agree with this post. I like how Rayn completely disagreed, and then read it again and suddenly agreed. What the hell did he misread in order to change his opinion that much?

On November 21 2014 06:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 21 2014 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i misread something.
That post from VE is a big pile of ???????????????????????????????????????

VE, wtf?


LOL NO.

Explain this post
(this is the equivalent of getting being a 6 year old getting called to the principal's office)

On November 21 2014 06:24 GlowingBear wrote:
[image loading]

I don't understand this picture.

And no there is no vote count.




This Chupazi soars above my sight; Chezinu likely has discerned it but I require assistance.

Do you have binoculars?


[image loading]

Oh sorry. Those are actually plastic titties
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November 23 2014 16:29 GMT
#1606
Slam
Give reeds
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November 23 2014 16:32 GMT
#1608
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 16:33 GMT
#1610
On November 24 2014 01:31 The_Templar wrote:
Thank god someone actually saw that hole in the logic. It was intentional.

I am not having fun this game.


Wait, what?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 16:34 GMT
#1611
On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?

No.


What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 16:39 GMT
#1614
On November 24 2014 01:36 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:31 The_Templar wrote:
Thank god someone actually saw that hole in the logic. It was intentional.

I am not having fun this game.


Wait, what?

Why is doing something I don't like to do extremely scummy?


If you say that you don't like meta reads, it means you think they are flawed and you use different methods.
I would expect that you would came with a stronger, objective read, but what you did was exactly calling someone scum for something you believe is not alignment indicative, which is pretty weird.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 16:42 GMT
#1616
On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?

No.


What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?

I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that.


I don't actually believe what?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 16:46 GMT
#1618
Damdred, I need you to tell me if you think VE is scum.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 16:47 GMT
#1619
On November 24 2014 01:45 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?

No.


What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?

I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that.


I don't actually believe what?

That your vote on KillerSOS is scummy.


Well, I don't find it scummy because I'm town so, lol.
But if I was someone else, I would be suspicious of this.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 16:51 GMT
#1621
On November 24 2014 01:49 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:45 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?

No.


What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?

I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that.


I don't actually believe what?

That your vote on KillerSOS is scummy.


Well, I don't find it scummy because I'm town so, lol.
But if I was someone else, I would be suspicious of this.

You literally just said it was scummy.
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?

No.


What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?



It is, objectively. It's not on my perspective because my role pm says I'm town. That's what I'm trying to say.

I know what you tried to do here but it differs a lot from what I've brought from you.

Another question: what in my gameplay makes you think I'm town?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 17:02 GMT
#1623
On November 24 2014 01:55 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 01:51 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:49 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:45 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?

No.


What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?

I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that.


I don't actually believe what?

That your vote on KillerSOS is scummy.


Well, I don't find it scummy because I'm town so, lol.
But if I was someone else, I would be suspicious of this.

You literally just said it was scummy.
On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:
On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?

No.


What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?



It is, objectively. It's not on my perspective because my role pm says I'm town. That's what I'm trying to say.

I know what you tried to do here but it differs a lot from what I've brought from you.

Another question: what in my gameplay makes you think I'm town?

Nothing in particular, which is why I am reading you null.


Argh. What about those reads you didn't want to share with me, then?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 17:13 GMT
#1625
On November 24 2014 02:03 Damdred wrote:
VE is never scum as an un cc big GB what you talkin bout


Talking hypothetically, if he didn't claim, would you read him as scum?
Remember that vigi has more than one bullet
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 17:25 GMT
#1628
On November 24 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote:
Why is that even important? If he hadn't of claimed I thought there was enough to see him scummy


It is important because you saw he was playing just like Devil's Riddle mafia, pushed on him, and suddenly your vote was on sick lucker. You didn't seem to push VE like you were scumreading him.
You didn't seem to convince people he is mafia. Why is that?

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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 17:27 GMT
#1629
On November 24 2014 02:23 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

help me finish this please


You're lacking scumreads
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 17:27 GMT
#1630
No you aren't, nevermind
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 17:32 GMT
#1632
Fuck this, I was going to write this after I have reevaluated day2 interactions but people don't want to play. I'll write it now and do the things I should be doing.

Alright, VE and Rayn can't be both mafia. If they fake claimed together mafia would lose 2 players. Not a winning strategy.
There is noone pushing them so we can assume, for now, that the claims were true.

There -are a lot people that aren't insightful in this game. I'm starting to fear the most active players are all town fighting each other.

I also believe that mafia would push me for the "scummy" vote. HF is dead and Rayn is probably town, so it leaves ritoky as possible mafia. Specially if you realise that he blames me for killing SOS but he didn't try to convince others that hopeless was a better lynch.

Mafia was probably split into the wagons too. Two if the three main wagons flipped green, which means they were probat out of danger in a way they didn't have to consolidate.

You can say whatever you want about Chezinu, but he wasted his vote on day 1, and so did lian.

I will GUESS the scum team. It means I don't have strong reasons. It's a guess.
Slam, ritoky, lian, sick lucker

This is my list of preference, then. Slam and sick lucker first, ritoky at the very end.
I may not lynch ritoky today and if you give me another opinion (Chezinu, FF), I'm open to it, since I'm hating thee both players too.

Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today.
Damdred is townish because he had the same read as I on VE on early game and he sounds like town damdred (gut feeling)

Rayn and VE probably town for claiming.

I don't care for FF's roleblock claim.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 17:36 GMT
#1634
[image loading]
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 21:48 GMT
#1637
Wow. Hours later, and everything this thread has got is a couple of posts.
Boring.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 23 2014 22:20 GMT
#1649
On November 24 2014 07:12 liancourt wrote:
[image loading]


This is actually a very good chart. Congrats
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 23 2014 22:33 GMT
#1656
Please lynch slam.
Pls pls pls.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 22:39 GMT
#1659
On November 24 2014 07:35 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 07:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Please lynch slam.
Pls pls pls.


after temp dies

can u vote temp


Nope, I town read him.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 22:40 GMT
#1662
On November 24 2014 07:39 liancourt wrote:
wut?


Yep. I town read him.
I've already said it here.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 23 2014 22:42 GMT
#1663
On November 24 2014 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Fuck this, I was going to write this after I have reevaluated day2 interactions but people don't want to play. I'll write it now and do the things I should be doing.

Alright, VE and Rayn can't be both mafia. If they fake claimed together mafia would lose 2 players. Not a winning strategy.
There is noone pushing them so we can assume, for now, that the claims were true.

There -are a lot people that aren't insightful in this game. I'm starting to fear the most active players are all town fighting each other.

I also believe that mafia would push me for the "scummy" vote. HF is dead and Rayn is probably town, so it leaves ritoky as possible mafia. Specially if you realise that he blames me for killing SOS but he didn't try to convince others that hopeless was a better lynch.

Mafia was probably split into the wagons too. Two if the three main wagons flipped green, which means they were probat out of danger in a way they didn't have to consolidate.

You can say whatever you want about Chezinu, but he wasted his vote on day 1, and so did lian.

I will GUESS the scum team. It means I don't have strong reasons. It's a guess.
Slam, ritoky, lian, sick lucker

This is my list of preference, then. Slam and sick lucker first, ritoky at the very end.
I may not lynch ritoky today and if you give me another opinion (Chezinu, FF), I'm open to it, since I'm hating thee both players too.

Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today.
Damdred is townish because he had the same read as I on VE on early game and he sounds like town damdred (gut feeling)

Rayn and VE probably town for claiming.

I don't care for FF's roleblock claim.

I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 22:45 GMT
#1664
You're really not fucking reading the game lol
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 22:51 GMT
#1668
On November 24 2014 07:47 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 07:45 GlowingBear wrote:
You're really not fucking reading the game lol

No, I'm not currently. I might also note that I might have seen that post better if you bothered to unvote me.

Interesting that you voted me and then read me town based on the exact same post, though


I VOTED SLAM
WITH A HUGE PICTURE
A HUGE PICTURE WITH A BASKETBALL BALL
BECAUSE SLAM DUNK
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 22:53 GMT
#1672
On November 24 2014 07:49 liancourt wrote:
[image loading]


I've pushed him and I've reevaluated my scumread on him.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 22:59 GMT
#1675
Damdred, Templar, lets vote slam?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:01 GMT
#1677
On November 24 2014 08:00 ritoky wrote:
so why isn't everyone in the game voting on GB?


Because I'm not scum. You would realise that if you actually cared for the game.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:15 GMT
#1683
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:17 GMT
#1684
On November 24 2014 08:05 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:00 ritoky wrote:
so why isn't everyone in the game voting on GB?


Because I'm not scum. You would realise that if you actually cared for the game.


why are you not mafia? outside of the very clear scum case i made against you, your "re-evaluated" reads seem shallow for someone who professes to have re-read the entire thread; and on top of that (meta read from previous experience) the last time i played against you as mafia you specifically targeted all the mass posters in the game.


I haven't re read the thread as you can see when I posted my reasons against VE.
Anyway, is love to know where my reads are shallow. They were wrong, but shallow?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:19 GMT
#1685
On November 24 2014 08:05 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 07:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, Templar, lets vote slam?

I can't find why you wanted to lynch him in the first place, explain?


I haven't explained the vote. I want to know what you think of lynching slam. You and damdred.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:20 GMT
#1686
On November 24 2014 08:13 sicklucker wrote:
gb is just saying that if templar is mafia he has no reason to put scum on me because gb is an easy mislynch or something like that. But I dont think thats very true because templar is so high on everyones radar hes probably getting bussed because of the enivtable veggie shot or lynch so It actually makes sense to put scum on towns or roles if this is the case.


Explain to me why it makes sense. To me, it's the exact opposite. He would try to push me to keep himself alive.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:20 GMT
#1688
On November 24 2014 08:07 ritoky wrote:
@lian can you explain the chez mafia read? cuz i str8 up don't even know what that guy is doing.


That's motive enough to kill chez.
It's already day2 and all we have are images and troll posts.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:24 GMT
#1692
On November 24 2014 08:22 sicklucker wrote:
I Think hes a good veg bullet candidate


Not going to happen since VE claimed vigi and he will be roleblocked/killed. But not this night. Only at night 3, since he can shoot 2 consecutive nights.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:26 GMT
#1693
On November 24 2014 08:24 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Fuck this, I was going to write this after I have reevaluated day2 interactions but people don't want to play. I'll write it now and do the things I should be doing.

Alright, VE and Rayn can't be both mafia. If they fake claimed together mafia would lose 2 players. Not a winning strategy.
There is noone pushing them so we can assume, for now, that the claims were true.

There -are a lot people that aren't insightful in this game. I'm starting to fear the most active players are all town fighting each other.

I also believe that mafia would push me for the "scummy" vote. HF is dead and Rayn is probably town, so it leaves ritoky as possible mafia. Specially if you realise that he blames me for killing SOS but he didn't try to convince others that hopeless was a better lynch.

Mafia was probably split into the wagons too. Two if the three main wagons flipped green, which means they were probat out of danger in a way they didn't have to consolidate.

You can say whatever you want about Chezinu, but he wasted his vote on day 1, and so did lian.

I will GUESS the scum team. It means I don't have strong reasons. It's a guess.
Slam, ritoky, lian, sick lucker

This is my list of preference, then. Slam and sick lucker first, ritoky at the very end.
I may not lynch ritoky today and if you give me another opinion (Chezinu, FF), I'm open to it, since I'm hating thee both players too.

Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today.
Damdred is townish because he had the same read as I on VE on early game and he sounds like town damdred (gut feeling)

Rayn and VE probably town for claiming.

I don't care for FF's roleblock claim.


read on VE and rayn, obvious read is obvious

whining about people not playing

you're wrong about me and have yet to state a reason i am scum

wifom about vote splitting

people wasting their votes, followed by no pressure

scum team with no provided reasons

i didn't provide reasons, but let me create a backdoor cuz i know i am wrong on ritoky cuz i have perfect information

first actual read of the post

airball read on damdred

is that enough of an explanation of how they are shallow?


WIFOM?

Do you sincerely believe mafia consolidated in just one wagon?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:29 GMT
#1696
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:31 GMT
#1699
On November 24 2014 08:29 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:24 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Fuck this, I was going to write this after I have reevaluated day2 interactions but people don't want to play. I'll write it now and do the things I should be doing.

Alright, VE and Rayn can't be both mafia. If they fake claimed together mafia would lose 2 players. Not a winning strategy.
There is noone pushing them so we can assume, for now, that the claims were true.

There -are a lot people that aren't insightful in this game. I'm starting to fear the most active players are all town fighting each other.

I also believe that mafia would push me for the "scummy" vote. HF is dead and Rayn is probably town, so it leaves ritoky as possible mafia. Specially if you realise that he blames me for killing SOS but he didn't try to convince others that hopeless was a better lynch.

Mafia was probably split into the wagons too. Two if the three main wagons flipped green, which means they were probat out of danger in a way they didn't have to consolidate.

You can say whatever you want about Chezinu, but he wasted his vote on day 1, and so did lian.

I will GUESS the scum team. It means I don't have strong reasons. It's a guess.
Slam, ritoky, lian, sick lucker

This is my list of preference, then. Slam and sick lucker first, ritoky at the very end.
I may not lynch ritoky today and if you give me another opinion (Chezinu, FF), I'm open to it, since I'm hating thee both players too.

Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today.
Damdred is townish because he had the same read as I on VE on early game and he sounds like town damdred (gut feeling)

Rayn and VE probably town for claiming.

I don't care for FF's roleblock claim.


read on VE and rayn, obvious read is obvious

whining about people not playing

you're wrong about me and have yet to state a reason i am scum

wifom about vote splitting

people wasting their votes, followed by no pressure

scum team with no provided reasons

i didn't provide reasons, but let me create a backdoor cuz i know i am wrong on ritoky cuz i have perfect information

first actual read of the post

airball read on damdred

is that enough of an explanation of how they are shallow?


WIFOM?

Do you sincerely believe mafia consolidated in just one wagon?


probably not, but i don't profess to know scum motivations; why do you?


Because that is a standard in most games?
Look at the vote count.
4
3
3
1
1

It looks so much that scum splitter their votes.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:32 GMT
#1700
On November 24 2014 08:30 sicklucker wrote:
Glowingbear I hateyour read on ritoky btw its not helping me see you as non scum.


I don't care. Lynch me if you will. But give me your other mafia reads.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:36 GMT
#1701
People, I'm not trying to defend myself anymore.
Maybe it's even better that town mislynches me so people don't waste day3 still debating me.

So you guys that decided your votes on me, let's talk about the others. I'm afraid we are still too much disorganised.
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:47 GMT
#1708
On November 24 2014 08:37 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.


This is a pros and cons list. I didnt ask for this.

I want you to tell me your thought process on how your read EVOLVED from when temp posted his case on SL and when you voted him scum because of it and what you were thinking when you were "pushing" him. Also on what you were thinking when you wanted validation on your being town by asking temp reasons on why you were town. And then your final thoughts upon making that list post calling temp town.


My read on him evolved while I started pressuring him. The question about me being town was important because if he said I was scum, it means he was keeping his options open. He read me as null, which is not good but it's not a scumread. Then I started thinking about these town traits he has.

What I'm saying with that pros and cons is that I started reevaluating those traits
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GlowingBear
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November 23 2014 23:51 GMT
#1711
On November 24 2014 08:38 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.


id like to talk about this post.

Tell me how this makes temp town. Reason three is bad because mafia will townread people a good bit of the time yea? Why are you an easy lynch? Why should you town read someone on that?

I think you said in another post that you think actives are mafia, why is this a town tell for temp in this case?

I'm partial to SL being scum but what other read or push has temp done today that causes you to say this?


Damdy, I'm not townreading temp town reads me (he doesn't). I'm town reading him for trying to push another lynch that isn't me. This is not the same as simply calling someone town.

He is the main wagon. I second that because of the hopeless thing. So, I'm and easy lynch for that suspicious vote. He is forcing a more difficult read

Why are you PARTIAL when you made a case on sick lucker?

Do you want to lynch slam?

I think INACTIVES are mafia. You read me wrong.
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November 23 2014 23:55 GMT
#1713
On November 24 2014 08:43 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:36 GlowingBear wrote:
People, I'm not trying to defend myself anymore.
Maybe it's even better that town mislynches me so people don't waste day3 still debating me.

So you guys that decided your votes on me, let's talk about the others. I'm afraid we are still too much disorganised.



This isn't protown GB and you know it martyring never saved town anything and if we lynch you to not debate you tommorow what would we be stuck on then? Temp? Chez? Slam?

Optimum play is to scum hunt defend yourself when necessary and push your lynch so stop it


Don't get me wrong, I'm putting all my reads into the thread. I'm having a hard time to reason them because of inactivity. Unfortunately, it's most likely a gut read.

But Slam, man. He is just not trying. It's different from any game I've played with him. He would come sometimes to put town in the right direction. He isn't doing this this time. He is just commenting and peacing out. He also is refusing to give information (when I say refusing I'm not saying actively refusing, but ignoring questions, for example), which is something he teaches his coachees.
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November 23 2014 23:57 GMT
#1714
On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you


This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum.
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 00:02 GMT
#1717
On November 24 2014 08:47 sicklucker wrote:
Ya you should never let yourself get mislynched in this game. I dont care what people told me in the other game its just stupid. If you know your town, leading people to vote anyone else besides you increases chance to catch scum.


...
So you're not seeing I'm doing it?
I don't have to defend myself, I have to catch scum. I don't care if you mislynch me.
What I'm trying to say is that maybe mislynching me is not detrimental to town because they will know my reads are genuine and they will have a lot to reevaluate. Also, people won't waste day3 debating that old hopeless discussion.

I've coached Breshke and Serejai. Townies.

Bah. But talking to you is like talking to a wall. You act like you know a lot from the game yet you bring the newbie card a lot.

...

Actually.
That's pretty weird.
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November 24 2014 00:06 GMT
#1719
On November 24 2014 09:00 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:37 liancourt wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
"Templar is probably town, he has no reason to make a case on sicklucker when I'm an easy lynch today."

@GB

Elaborate on how your scum read on temp evolved to a town read on him



Ok.

Motives I have scumread Templar
1) He is too passive, he is not really pushing the game forward
2) He says he hates meta reads but posts a meta read and says it was on purpose (lol?)
3) He wasn't hesitating to town read me (or at least to be suspicious of me) when he knows I'm capable of look townie when I'm scum.
4) He is parroting some people at some times (parroted me on VE, parroted damdred on sick lucker)

Motives I am now townreading Templar:

1) He is putting effort in the game (he has one of the biggest filters, he is interacting and giving reads)
2) He is taking genuine stances (he parroted people, yes, but he posted reads trying to push town to a different direction when he felt someone is scum)
3) I'm an easy lynch for mafia. He is not trying to lynch me. Period.


This is a pros and cons list. I didnt ask for this.

I want you to tell me your thought process on how your read EVOLVED from when temp posted his case on SL and when you voted him scum because of it and what you were thinking when you were "pushing" him. Also on what you were thinking when you wanted validation on your being town by asking temp reasons on why you were town. And then your final thoughts upon making that list post calling temp town.


My read on him evolved while I started pressuring him. The question about me being town was important because if he said I was scum, it means he was keeping his options open. He read me as null, which is not good but it's not a scumread. Then I started thinking about these town traits he has.

What I'm saying with that pros and cons is that I started reevaluating those traits


you know you're re evaluating him for the same reasons as you saw him as scum

and mafia can just as well say someone is town/null so easily and you take that action as him being townie

and he made a "bait" case on SL which is like saying "guys this isn't a real case I just wanted to see if someone would take the bait, don't berate me for having bad logic". WTF is this? And now he has no scum reads. HIjole~

I just can't understand how you can call him scum and then revert back.

It's like you wanted to prove to town that you could call him scum, but was afraid that it might get traction. And later when temp flips scum you can say you read him scum at one point.


Do you understand that's a horrible, horrible play to a mafia? To call his partner scum and suddenly flip his read? This draws so much attention it's insane.
So you think I'm able to stop his lynch from getting traction? Do you think I'm acting like I'm trying to save a possible scum partner (nobody knows his alignment yet) or that I'm actually trying to solve the game?

I've already explained damdred that thing you're talking about townreads. It's not the same thing.

I don't understand the bait thing. I thought he was being sarcastic
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 00:08 GMT
#1721
On November 24 2014 09:04 sicklucker wrote:
Wait what Serejai said she didnt have a coach and that was evident from her play. I think breske said the same thing. Not super relevant but you could be lying for some reason here


Breshke posted it after endgame and Serejai said she wasn't using her coach.

I'm lynchig you. You could have just take a look at the endgame. Lol.
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November 24 2014 00:10 GMT
#1723
On November 24 2014 09:08 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you


This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum.


reads:
VE - town
rayn - still town
lian - maybe town
fecalfeast - very slight mafia lean
damdred - leaning mafia
templar - leaning mafia
GB - mafia

not particularly strong feelings on the rest, wouldnt be surprised if there's a mafia between slam and chez and i am wrong on someone.


I'm mafia calling 2 of my partners town when people are calling them scum.

Yeah, right.

Very deep reads you have here. Owait.
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November 24 2014 00:13 GMT
#1725
On November 24 2014 09:11 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 09:10 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 09:08 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:44 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Why don't you give a "deep" read then ritoky?
All you have done is scumreading me for the hopeless thing.

I'm mafia just for that?
And if yes, who are my partners?


can't right now, watching sounders and seahawks game simultaneously, maybe later i will show you


This is why I want to lynch you. You're forcing this lynch on me or at least drawing suspicions to me. But when asked to give other reads, you refuse. I'm almost sure you're scum.


reads:
VE - town
rayn - still town
lian - maybe town
fecalfeast - very slight mafia lean
damdred - leaning mafia
templar - leaning mafia
GB - mafia

not particularly strong feelings on the rest, wouldnt be surprised if there's a mafia between slam and chez and i am wrong on someone.


I'm mafia calling 2 of my partners town when people are calling them scum.

Yeah, right.

Very deep reads you have here. Owait.


told you i couldn't and would later, you bitch and whine that i won't even give you a hint; then i give them to you with the promise of explanation later, and you whine some more. like srsly you have 0 agenda with this other than to piss me off.


Yeah, take your time to find reasons behind your reads.
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 00:17 GMT
#1726
I'm out people.

Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.

Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome.
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 01:15 GMT
#1738
On November 24 2014 10:03 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 09:24 liancourt wrote:
@temp

was your SL case bait?

You said you don't like meta reads and yet you did a case based on one.

And you make a "sarcastic" post saying gb found the flaw in your case. WTF is this all about?

Personally, I don't trust meta reads done by other people, but I trust my own meta reads on people I've played with before. I don't trust your meta read on SL. Unless other people can back up your meta read on SL i'm not taking that case into consideration.

No, my post before emphasizing how much I dislike meta reads was the 'bait'. The primary purpose was to see who was actually reading. Unfortunately, GB found it too quickly so it was pointless


This doesn't make sense.
1) What can you draw from people actually reading?
2) Why is it unfortunately, as it proved someone was reading?
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 01:54 GMT
#1750
On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.

Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.

Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome.


Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?

Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?

Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read him

If you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both.
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 03:20 GMT
#1756
On November 24 2014 12:07 Chezinu wrote:
sicklucker
ritoky
liancourt
The_Templar

GlowingBear
Damdred

VisceraEyes
Alakaslam
Fecalfeast
raynpelikoneet

KillerSOS (4): The_Templar, Hopeless1der, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
hopeless1der (3): Holyflare, VisceraEyes, ritoky
sicklucker (3): Chezinu, Fecalfeast, Damdred
TheTemplar (2): liancourt, raynpelikoneet
liancourt (1): KillerSOS
Damdred (1): sicklucker


Uhm. You're reading slam as town?
And also... how do you believe lian and Templar are partners after all that had happened in the thread?
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 03:25 GMT
#1757
On November 24 2014 11:49 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm out people.

Reevaluate your reads. I want to lynch between sick lucker, ritoky, or slam today. Give thoughts.

Also, I want damdred to comment on Templar and Templar to comment on damdred. I also want both commenting on slam. You guys are refusing to do this awesome.


Templar, please comment on damdred. How do you read him?

Damdred, please comment on Templar. How do you read him?

Templar and Damdred, please comment on Slam. What do you think of him? How do you read him

If you guys keep ignoring these questions I'll lynch both.


Sorry just got home from work crazy day.

I'll start off with Slam. I really don't know how to read slam, Oats or VE told me you can tell something about slams alignment how freely he posts and if he makes posts that actually make sense. If thats actually correct then he looks townish even if he was wrong on the kos.

Templars is a really hard alignment for me, i had a town read going into the night with him with how he was thinking. But his night activity with hitting me over the head for thinking he was towny really set me back on him and left a bad taste in my mouth. He read me as pinkish at one point during the night (mafia lean) I take it, but now has me null by his last drawing, his case for today was some form of trap for people to stumble into which doesn't make much sense to me. He also said last night that if my play did not improve dramatically he would lynch me but besides a few posts in response to me hasn't really pushed me or tried to get me lynched despite my activity being low again today in fact he only mentioned my scum read SL and I think hes willing to vote with me. All of its really weird play when you consider last night and today and fell off activity wise so i'm moving him into my scum lean category


I disagree on slam, but what you've said about Templar is damning. That's really bad. But the bait thing, for it's craziness, is a town trait, not mafia. Unless I've got him and he lied about the bait thing to justify the contradiction.

Argh. I'm having such a hard time reading Templar..
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 03:28 GMT
#1758
Where the FUCK is VE?
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November 24 2014 03:30 GMT
#1760
Also, there is another odd thing in Templar.
He used the bait thing to see who was reading the thread but he admits he wasn't reading the thread properly. He missed my townread on him and he missed my vote on slam. The vote on slam is a giant image. Why the guy that isn't reading is trying to bait guys that aren't reading?

Meh.
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 03:31 GMT
#1762
On November 24 2014 12:30 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 12:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 12:07 Chezinu wrote:
sicklucker
ritoky
liancourt
The_Templar

GlowingBear
Damdred

VisceraEyes
Alakaslam
Fecalfeast
raynpelikoneet

KillerSOS (4): The_Templar, Hopeless1der, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
hopeless1der (3): Holyflare, VisceraEyes, ritoky
sicklucker (3): Chezinu, Fecalfeast, Damdred
TheTemplar (2): liancourt, raynpelikoneet
liancourt (1): KillerSOS
Damdred (1): sicklucker


Uhm. You're reading slam as town?
And also... how do you believe lian and Templar are partners after all that had happened in the thread?


Categories:

Willing to lynch

didn't read their stuff much

Don't want to lynch yet. I <3 VE, slam, and ff. Rayn is just useful to keep around. Sorry I haz no <3's for you..


This makes me sad

No problem though. We are at least agreeing with two scumreads.
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 03:34 GMT
#1763
Chez, can you explain me those posts? I'm having a hard time understanding them
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November 24 2014 03:36 GMT
#1765
On November 24 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:
Also was just rereading something to see if i remembered correctly, besides SL and his paint Temp hasn't given reads today even though hes asked and dodged a lot today about them. Also his read on SL is just a trap so not sure

Why didn't you go at him again about those reads he was hesitant to share with you before GB?


Hmm I asked him again but I forgot about this. I don't remember if he answered, also.
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November 24 2014 11:41 GMT
#1791
On November 24 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE vore for GB.
He voted with his scumread while his reasoning for not voting for Hopeless was "my scumread pushed him".


If you're town you're losing the game.
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November 24 2014 11:58 GMT
#1792
On November 24 2014 15:35 Alakaslam wrote:
[image loading]

Thanks TL

This like the gal laughing @ u when u ask GlowingBear on a D8

She is GB BFFFR

you kno?

And she has that tanline, Hijole is it HAWT or thtoopit?


Slam, I may send you a naked picture of me if you give me reeds
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November 24 2014 12:11 GMT
#1793
On November 24 2014 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE vore for GB.
He voted with his scumread while his reasoning for not voting for Hopeless was "my scumread pushed him".


If you're town you're losing the game.


Like, Rayn, think for a second. The main two wagons were town. If I kept on SOS, I'd hammer a town. If I switched to Hopeless, I'd hammer a town. Either way, I would be taking responsibility for lynching a town. WHY THE FUCK I WOULD DO THIS? I WOULD NEVER DO THIS IF I WERE MAFIA. I WOULD VOTE OUTSIDE THE MAIN WAGONS TO AVOID RESPONSIBILITY.
I did what I did because I DON'T KNOW PEOPLE'S ALIGNMENT.

Also, your Templar push is finally getting traction. You've made a huge push in him. BUT NOW YOU WANT TO LYNCH ME OVER JUST ONE SIME FACT. You're not even reading what I'm posting.

COME ON!
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 13:00 GMT
#1795
On November 24 2014 21:49 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE vore for GB.
He voted with his scumread while his reasoning for not voting for Hopeless was "my scumread pushed him".


If you're town you're losing the game.


@GB: "if you're town"; so do you not believe him when he claimed to get medic saved?


I find his claim weird. Could be legit, that's why I'm reading him as town, but that's all.

This is the thing: medic can aim anyone, including mafia. So a mafia could be healed and come here and claim he was healed, getting town read. This makes his claim questionable.

What is even weirdly is that Rayn said he got shot AND healed. There is nothing in the OP that's says you receive a message when you are healed. There is nothing in the OP that says you're notified when you are shot but survives. Rayn claimed BOTH.

You know what could have happened? Luger fails, mafia Rayn is healed, he comes to the thread and say he was shot and healed to try to confirm him as town.

This is not WIFOM. This is very possible.
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GlowingBear
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November 24 2014 13:04 GMT
#1796
OP says you receive a message when veteran is shot
OP says you receive a message when you are roleblocked

OP says nothing about being healed and shot.

Tbh, after I'm writing this, I'm more inclined to believe Rayn lied and we should lynch him.
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November 24 2014 13:20 GMT
#1800
On November 24 2014 22:14 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 22:04 GlowingBear wrote:
OP says you receive a message when veteran is shot
OP says you receive a message when you are roleblocked

OP says nothing about being healed and shot.

Tbh, after I'm writing this, I'm more inclined to believe Rayn lied and we should lynch him.


yeah but i just pulled this from another game that is currently running:

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 05:36 Blazinghand wrote:

Town Doctor
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Both you and your target are notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town.


so i mean, someone should prob run that by the mod to see which rules are going on here


It's Blazinhands game and I doubt sentinel will answer this as it will affect the reads completely
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November 24 2014 13:21 GMT
#1801
On November 24 2014 22:20 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 22:00 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 21:49 ritoky wrote:
On November 24 2014 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE vore for GB.
He voted with his scumread while his reasoning for not voting for Hopeless was "my scumread pushed him".


If you're town you're losing the game.


@GB: "if you're town"; so do you not believe him when he claimed to get medic saved?


I find his claim weird. Could be legit, that's why I'm reading him as town, but that's all.

This is the thing: medic can aim anyone, including mafia. So a mafia could be healed and come here and claim he was healed, getting town read. This makes his claim questionable.

What is even weirdly is that Rayn said he got shot AND healed. There is nothing in the OP that's says you receive a message when you are healed. There is nothing in the OP that says you're notified when you are shot but survives. Rayn claimed BOTH.

You know what could have happened? Luger fails, mafia Rayn is healed, he comes to the thread and say he was shot and healed to try to confirm him as town.

This is not WIFOM. This is very possible.


this isn't what i find strange about it at all btw. the fact that he didn't claim just to be saved, but he claimed to be shot AND saved made it a lot more credible to me because it felt like he had checked with the mod about the rules or something along those lines to verify the particulars of what it meant.

what i found strange about it was that it took all the way until me now for someone to even question it. especially after a lot of people were in the last game where me making an error regarding rules and mod confirmation had bad consequences for town.


I've questioned it. You don't know because you're tunnelled and not actually reading what I write.
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November 24 2014 13:34 GMT
#1804
On November 24 2014 22:26 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 22:04 GlowingBear wrote:
OP says you receive a message when veteran is shot
OP says you receive a message when you are roleblocked

OP says nothing about being healed and shot.

Tbh, after I'm writing this, I'm more inclined to believe Rayn lied and we should lynch him.


huh so it seems you did, guess i missed this somewhere. my bad. why the hell did no one follow up on this thought at all????????????

who was around when you posted this and just accepted it as fact? like why wouldn't people be skeptical especially those in the last game?


This is actually a post I've just posted. The other one is way back on the start of day2.
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November 24 2014 14:14 GMT
#1816
On November 24 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB is an idiot if he rhinks me and ve would do something this stupid as scum because if i am scum it means ve is scum aswell.
So in case that's the case and there is a vigi ve is auto-lynched. In case there is a doctor who didn't doc me BOTH of me and ve are auto-lynched.

RIGHT GB!!! SUCH GREAT SCUMPLAY ROFL!
That dude is telling the confirmed townies are mafia. ROfl. Again. ROFL!!!


LOL Rayn. Your claim is questionable. VE's claim is much less questionable.

I have being paying close attention to the thread. If there is a vigi out there, the correct play is to not counter claim. He can shoot VE night 3 or if he dies/gets lynched, VE is dead. So yes, not a good play as scum but it will keep him alive until night3 if he is. Not the worst play.

The medic claim simply doesn't make you town or scum. The shoot claim does. But if you're mafia and the Luger fails, you can pull that out. So your claim means nothing unless its confirmed.
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November 24 2014 14:16 GMT
#1817
This connection between you an VE is also unfounded lol.

YOU'RE TRYING TO LYNCH OBVIOUS TOWN AND YOU KNOE IT. YOU'RE TRYING NOTHIG TO CONFIRM YOUR READ ON ME OR TO SOLVE THE REST OF THE GAMD. YOU JUST WANT TO LYNCH THE SHIT OUT OF ME BECAUSE YOU'RE MAFIA OR INSANELY BAD THIS GAME
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November 24 2014 14:48 GMT
#1821
On November 24 2014 23:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 22:28 ritoky wrote:
people posting around the time of that post:

rayn, GB, templar, damdred, slam

@damdred, slam, templar - why did you not question rayn in regards to his save claim particularly when there's nothing in the rules about it and someone even pointed it out?

Hi.

This is a good point. I actually wasn't here, but it is something I had already considered. It is highly unlikely to be false however and a really dangerous move for scum to pull because the medic knows who they saved. Therefore, while not holding Rayn 100% confirmed, I am basically consid-

Oh yeah.

Rayn also sees well with the eyes of Hijole; though different from Chupazi the way of Hijole is not useless. For tthis i then say ÁNDALE PUES RAYN


You know, medic could actually save mafia Rayn.

Anyway, this will confirm itself throghout the game.

WHO ARE WE LYNCHING TODAY?
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November 24 2014 15:04 GMT
#1824
On November 24 2014 23:59 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 23:48 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 24 2014 23:40 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 24 2014 22:28 ritoky wrote:
people posting around the time of that post:

rayn, GB, templar, damdred, slam

@damdred, slam, templar - why did you not question rayn in regards to his save claim particularly when there's nothing in the rules about it and someone even pointed it out?

Hi.

This is a good point. I actually wasn't here, but it is something I had already considered. It is highly unlikely to be false however and a really dangerous move for scum to pull because the medic knows who they saved. Therefore, while not holding Rayn 100% confirmed, I am basically consid-

Oh yeah.

Rayn also sees well with the eyes of Hijole; though different from Chupazi the way of Hijole is not useless. For tthis i then say ÁNDALE PUES RAYN


You know, medic could actually save mafia Rayn.

Anyway, this will confirm itself throghout the game.

WHO ARE WE LYNCHING TODAY?

You mean, medic saves the mafia Rayn from vig, mafia shoots Holyflare and janitor shoots hopeless (who was not generally considered to be towny)?


Nope.
Vigi shoots hopeless
Mafia shoots holyflare
Luger fails (50% chance)

Mafia Rayn is healed by the doctor. He gets the notification. He sees the Luger failed and claims he was shot AND healed, confirming himself as town.

It's more likely that his claim is real, tbh. But this is a possibility, if everytime someone is healed, they know it, even if they aren't shot.
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November 24 2014 15:30 GMT
#1827
Can we vote someone between slam, sick lucker or ritoky please?
I really don't want to lynch ritoky today but I will if you guys don't want to lynch the others.
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November 24 2014 16:08 GMT
#1829
On November 25 2014 01:03 Damdred wrote:
Why those three GB? Why isn't templar in the list?


Because
I
Townread
Him.
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November 24 2014 16:15 GMT
#1831
On November 25 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
How do you take his response to what you asked of him right now towards myself and slam then?


I'm at work so I didn't put much thought in it. I'm gonna the read it but I read it as "meh"
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November 24 2014 17:18 GMT
#1842
You're gonna lose the game Rayn.
You can call me terrible as much as you want, you're losing the grasp you had on how to play this game.

I'm not using the too scum to he scum. This is not a trick. These are genuine thoughts.

I'm the only one pointing odd things and trying to understand them. You're playing very poorly for not noticing that.

You locking on me is scummy. You don't have a single idea how to townread someone anymore. The only thing that saves you from not being scumread is the mod confirmed status.
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November 24 2014 17:22 GMT
#1844
On November 25 2014 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 00:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 24 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB is an idiot if he rhinks me and ve would do something this stupid as scum because if i am scum it means ve is scum aswell.
So in case that's the case and there is a vigi ve is auto-lynched. In case there is a doctor who didn't doc me BOTH of me and ve are auto-lynched.

RIGHT GB!!! SUCH GREAT SCUMPLAY ROFL!
That dude is telling the confirmed townies are mafia. ROfl. Again. ROFL!!!

Whoa whoa whoa....how does your claim in any way affect mine?

It actually diesn't.
I just derped because i happen to know mafia used the luger pistol and wrote the post that in mind.

Anyways let's kill GB. He actually implied the same thing i did when we had claimed.
Well Templar just did that aswell lol.

Idk i am not voting anyone other than gb or templar today.
If gb is town he really doesn't have any clue what mafia does and whatnot because he is suggesting insane shit. Also his votinggistiry and reads are terible and the way he contributed with me and hf on n1 makes bo sense from town pov. It's way more likely he was just agreeing with us because then he would shoot us.


Do you really believe this shit? Do you really believe it's certainly scum that I was agreeing with you guys because I was gonna shoot you at night?

Do you really believe this is alignment indicative, Rayn?????

Look at your case on me:
(A) Glowingbear voted for an afk instead of his OTHER scumread
(B) Glowingbear agreed with me.

AWESOME. BEST CASE 2014 GG
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November 24 2014 18:06 GMT
#1847
Is there anyone besides me not willing to lynch Templar?
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November 24 2014 18:12 GMT
#1849
On November 25 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:
What do you think of my case GB?


It's good. I just can see it coming from town perspective also.
Specially number 2. It's like the notes thing on hearthstone.

Meh...

I don't know, I can perfectly see him as scum, but I have this feeling that he may be town for the things I've already said.
Anyway, I want to know if there is anyone besides me townreading Templar.
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November 24 2014 18:13 GMT
#1850
I think the best part of your case is number (3).
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November 24 2014 19:10 GMT
#1852
On November 25 2014 03:24 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 25 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:
What do you think of my case GB?


It's good. I just can see it coming from town perspective also.
Specially number 2. It's like the notes thing on hearthstone.

Meh...

I don't know, I can perfectly see him as scum, but I have this feeling that he may be town for the things I've already said.
Anyway, [b]I want to know if there is anyone besides me townreading Templar[b/].


No one is. Thats why it makes no sense for you to defend him as either alignment. If your town all your doing is making yourself look bad which could be two mislynches if your town. Help us find other scum instead.


Well, if I am town and I'm having a townread on someone, I need to defend him in order to keep him alive. I don't care for looking bad.

I've already said I want to lynch you, slam or ritoky, with ritoky being my last option.
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November 24 2014 19:26 GMT
#1853
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November 24 2014 19:32 GMT
#1854
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#1855
Oops, wrong image
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#1856
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November 24 2014 19:34 GMT
#1857
Man I'm almost sure slam is mafia...
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November 24 2014 20:00 GMT
#1863
Slam is full of neutral opinions. Instead putting his opinions in the thread, he just comments on things and never build an actual read. This one, in particular, is an example of him doing this. More than this, it's him asking to be convinced. Why is him okay to sheep and asking to be convinced? Why isn't he pointing fingers out and trying to convince people?

On November 22 2014 08:04 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
why is he scum reading damdred? 2 posts that don't say why at all
why is he scum reading me? 0 actual posts but general queries of what i'm doing this game
why is he scum reading templar? because templar did the same things he's done this game and has given little in the way of reads, also something about a case being backwards which turned out to not even matter

This helps.

the templar read is baseless?

VE and Rayn you have to convince me.


Another odd post:


On November 22 2014 08:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Let's kill Liancourt.

Because why not. Someone defense him for to FITE ME because I dont' think he will even defend himself.


He agreed before to kill Templar because "the strongest townies were pushing him". But now he wants to kill liancourt, who was Templars target. It doesn't make sense.

He was still okay with a liancourt lynch out of nothing. He also blue fished, as you can see here:


On November 22 2014 08:20 Alakaslam wrote:
In other words I am starting to actually believe VE is Vig.

And he will shoot holyflare.

Yeah.


On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker has being acting scummy since the beginning. He was kinda lurking too. He was one of the final wagons. Why didn't slam switched to sick lucker? After this, I can't see any of them talking about of each other. And I've brought them into light A LOT of times.

Now, these couple of posts:

On November 22 2014 10:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Yeah what takes him this time?

But HF why do you & VE always fight. I think you are both town


On November 22 2014 10:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 10:55 Holyflare wrote:
what's the reason broooo

Probably that you all have pants on head and think he is scum while arguing with each other about each other being scum.

Like you all fite and call each other scum while you agree that hopeless is scum but you never consolidate on hopeless for pushing each other.

It does not look town dude


This contradiction bothers me. I don't understand how could be reading BOTH as town but then suspecting HF immediately after.

Now, a big, content less post:


On November 22 2014 11:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Ritoky have you ever been in a game with Chezinu Izhunizech?

I can't remember if I spelled that right, sorry C

Please answer promptly ritoky.


nope, no idea who that is

...

Chezinu...

Anyway so Chezinu does as he does. He plays according to the House of Brown. He is the founder, I visit on occasion.

He sees VERY clearly with the eyes of CHUPAZI, my own vision is about 20:20 left eye, 20:32 right eye. However Chezinu sees with a clarity unsurpassed at 20:10 both eyes.

As scum he is to be feared. He will snipe every blue and guide the RB, allowing the blues to live just long enough that they do not realize they are compromised.

As town he is indecipherable to the scum, suddenly he knows your alignment and you do not know how, but he simply KNOWS. I fear him more when I roll scum than just about anyone on the site.

He is not to be lost Day1.



Also, this post:


On November 22 2014 14:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Well this is a lesson

The one time I really actively push a lurker lynch with some cojones it bites them in the bloo

So activity really is not alignment indicative.


...

Butthijole.


This is a very forced post, considering he totally agreed with me about scummy lurkers and town lurkers. And again, he is not contributing.

What I'm saying is that, from the games I've played with slam, he is always trolly like here, but when town is disorganised, he comes to the thread and put people in the right track. He gives his opinion on who is the best lynch target and who isn't a good target.
THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN THIS GAME. You can't find any significant intervention from him on his filter. He is trolly, and only trolly. He looks like he is trying to hard but trying to look participative. He is mafia.
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November 25 2014 00:47 GMT
#1896
READ THE FUCKING POST I'VE MADE ON SLAM, GODAMMN
I AM AT MY CLASS, I'LL READ THE THREAD PROPERLY

JESUS THIS IS PISSING ME OFF
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November 25 2014 02:18 GMT
#1910
On November 25 2014 11:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 05:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam is full of neutral opinions. Instead putting his opinions in the thread, he just comments on things and never build an actual read. This one, in particular, is an example of him doing this. More than this, it's him asking to be convinced. Why is him okay to sheep and asking to be convinced? Why isn't he pointing fingers out and trying to convince people?

On November 22 2014 08:04 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
why is he scum reading damdred? 2 posts that don't say why at all
why is he scum reading me? 0 actual posts but general queries of what i'm doing this game
why is he scum reading templar? because templar did the same things he's done this game and has given little in the way of reads, also something about a case being backwards which turned out to not even matter

This helps.

the templar read is baseless?

VE and Rayn you have to convince me.


Another odd post:


On November 22 2014 08:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Let's kill Liancourt.

Because why not. Someone defense him for to FITE ME because I dont' think he will even defend himself.


He agreed before to kill Templar because "the strongest townies were pushing him". But now he wants to kill liancourt, who was Templars target. It doesn't make sense.

He was still okay with a liancourt lynch out of nothing. He also blue fished, as you can see here:


On November 22 2014 08:20 Alakaslam wrote:
In other words I am starting to actually believe VE is Vig.

And he will shoot holyflare.

Yeah.


On November 22 2014 08:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Id rather we remove some scum asap. We would make the view so much more clear for are sniper savior. Im not commited to moving off templar yet (mostly because id have to paint it) but lians my other top lynch as ive said already

This is the worst reason not to move.

Paint not so hard.

Vote for your strongest scumread and nothing less.

Srsly you make me want to switch to you


Sick lucker has being acting scummy since the beginning. He was kinda lurking too. He was one of the final wagons. Why didn't slam switched to sick lucker? After this, I can't see any of them talking about of each other. And I've brought them into light A LOT of times.

Now, these couple of posts:

On November 22 2014 10:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Yeah what takes him this time?

But HF why do you & VE always fight. I think you are both town


On November 22 2014 10:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 10:55 Holyflare wrote:
what's the reason broooo

Probably that you all have pants on head and think he is scum while arguing with each other about each other being scum.

Like you all fite and call each other scum while you agree that hopeless is scum but you never consolidate on hopeless for pushing each other.

It does not look town dude


This contradiction bothers me. I don't understand how could be reading BOTH as town but then suspecting HF immediately after.

Now, a big, content less post:


On November 22 2014 11:21 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:
On November 22 2014 11:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Ritoky have you ever been in a game with Chezinu Izhunizech?

I can't remember if I spelled that right, sorry C

Please answer promptly ritoky.


nope, no idea who that is

...

Chezinu...

Anyway so Chezinu does as he does. He plays according to the House of Brown. He is the founder, I visit on occasion.

He sees VERY clearly with the eyes of CHUPAZI, my own vision is about 20:20 left eye, 20:32 right eye. However Chezinu sees with a clarity unsurpassed at 20:10 both eyes.

As scum he is to be feared. He will snipe every blue and guide the RB, allowing the blues to live just long enough that they do not realize they are compromised.

As town he is indecipherable to the scum, suddenly he knows your alignment and you do not know how, but he simply KNOWS. I fear him more when I roll scum than just about anyone on the site.

He is not to be lost Day1.



Also, this post:


On November 22 2014 14:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Well this is a lesson

The one time I really actively push a lurker lynch with some cojones it bites them in the bloo

So activity really is not alignment indicative.


...

Butthijole.


This is a very forced post, considering he totally agreed with me about scummy lurkers and town lurkers. And again, he is not contributing.

What I'm saying is that, from the games I've played with slam, he is always trolly like here, but when town is disorganised, he comes to the thread and put people in the right track. He gives his opinion on who is the best lynch target and who isn't a good target.
THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN THIS GAME. You can't find any significant intervention from him on his filter. He is trolly, and only trolly. He looks like he is trying to hard but trying to look participative. He is mafia.

If you won't listen to my replies to these points why restate them and why should I refute them again.

People will not get over the idea that I initially liked the vets for being who they are, and then got suspicious of their constant arguing and did not know what to think since I Townread all three, and they all scumread each other.

It is destined to plague me but whatever.

Catching up. I see a Templar lynch happening, although I would also like a SL lynch temp is the early dismissed read so I am ok with it.

I am sure this contradicts some previous statement but it also jives with others XD I am not closed minded enough to never change my mind.

And I do have some solid reads. VE and Rayn are town. Unfortunately all that does is make me a 10 minute hipster now because they were confirmed right after the hopeless flip.

Ándale pues


Slam, I don't remember you answering these.
Can you quote me, please?
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November 25 2014 02:22 GMT
#1913
I BET Templar is town.
Lets make a bet.
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November 25 2014 02:54 GMT
#1923
HIJOLE I CAN PLAY
LET'S WIN THIS MONEY WITH THE WAY OF CHUPAZI!
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November 25 2014 03:00 GMT
#1928
He could be scum but I bet he is town because I was given the knowledge of CUCARACHA.
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#1930
On November 25 2014 12:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:00 GlowingBear wrote:
He could be scum but I bet he is town because I was given the knowledge of CUCARACHA CHUPACABRA.

thou vampirest



No chupa cabra, weon malo.

Cabron, tienes que cazar los bandidos!
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November 25 2014 03:20 GMT
#1935
I'm talking to a girl on the phone, I will be slow

You can start fiting me

WHY AM MAFIA???
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November 25 2014 03:24 GMT
#1938
On November 25 2014 12:16 Alakaslam wrote:
It is good to tango but we say nothing meaningful; let us fite!

What say you! Why am I scum?

You are scum because you are picking and choosing stuff that has been in my filter for days, that you did not push until 1. Templar did 2. I was starting to be more universally scumread!

Lian is scum because he started the bs that led to my catastrophic loss of momentum!

Chezinu is scum because srs he hasn't caught anykne?!?!?

SL is TEXTBOOK SCUM and yet avoids lynch all this time! But there is WIFOM

Notice Rayn seems to not follow up on me after saying he should reevaluate based on Lian

Heck i am starting down the too many reads track hijole


I went to your filter because I wanted to get examples on how you were not acting town, on how you are not giving insights like town slam, and stumbled with those things

Chez is scum because he is not playing the game and it's the second time he is wasting his vote, HIJOLE

SL is mafia because I don't know, he looks so much like mafia

I think you may be wrong on lian tho
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November 25 2014 03:25 GMT
#1939
On November 25 2014 12:23 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:20 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm talking to a girl on the phone, I will be slow

You can start fiting me

WHY AM MAFIA???

Ayyyyy das woman = importance

I see it

Ah.

Well, for your reference:

Two posts up


O I c.

Attention deficit is really a bad condition
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November 25 2014 03:26 GMT
#1940
Slam, how does your CHUPAZI eyes sees ritoky?
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November 25 2014 03:29 GMT
#1941
Too slow, slam. I thought we were going to tango, but we are waltzing
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November 25 2014 03:30 GMT
#1943
On November 25 2014 12:29 sicklucker wrote:
I dont even get why I look like mafia. Anyone care to enlighten me while we got some time to kill


To be honest, I don't remember anything from you.
Which makes you mafai
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November 25 2014 03:34 GMT
#1945
On November 25 2014 12:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Hoooooly Sheeit!

I totes dinnae see ritoky or even damdred

Chiiiiiiiiiing back up this truck

(Btw slowdown= loss of pc . )



Cabron!

I don't know. Ritoky's push on me looks weird. Meh. I don't really know.

Damdred looks town to me.

But you're scum HIJOLE
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November 25 2014 03:38 GMT
#1947
On November 25 2014 12:35 sicklucker wrote:
I see. Well I just feel like im at least trying to figure the game out compared to half the players. Slam finally started to try but hes super confusing and trolly. Im sorry were on the wrong side but I fear mafia is the lurker folk.
I dont feel people have unique cases on me but their all sheeping likely mafia. Im not even talking about you, I expect you to scum read me for obvious reasons, other people not so much


Yeah. We may want to lynch Chezinu.

I'm okay with a Chezinu lynch.

Slam?
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November 25 2014 03:43 GMT
#1951
On November 25 2014 12:40 sicklucker wrote:
Hum I voted gb because he made an I give up post. But he clearly has not. I would be open to killing a lurker but do we have the numbers?


I have from 0 to 9 on my keyboard.

Slam, you're scum because you're not trying to solve the game and not putting town on the right track with solid and insightful considerations. Period.
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November 25 2014 03:49 GMT
#1954
I need to sleep.
I'm keeping my vote
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November 25 2014 03:51 GMT
#1958
A bad joke
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November 25 2014 12:53 GMT
#2023
Now, can you guys listen to me?
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November 25 2014 13:10 GMT
#2025
The medic knows how to do his work, let him do it. Let's not speculate better saves.

You should know by now that I'm town, Rayn.

By the way, we are entering LYLO.

I would lynch slam.
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November 25 2014 14:40 GMT
#2026
Very good game
With very active players

Wow
Such game
Very skills
Wow
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November 25 2014 14:47 GMT
#2028
On November 25 2014 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Just got up.

Rayn doesn't even comment on what I've done just said can't remember bah


Cool, who are we lynching?
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November 25 2014 15:03 GMT
#2029
Bah, my thoughts:

Lynch slam. I've already have reasons, but summary: in this game, he isn't having any attempt to solve the game. He is just commenting stuff and being trolley. He is trolly as town also, but when he is town, when he sees people are going to the wrong direction, he comes to the thread and drop very insightful things. This didn't happen once in the game. He also cluttered the thread a few times, which, for me, is a scum trait. I kept it going on to see until where he would go. If he flips scum, check if there was something important going on during those times.
Also, this is WIFOM, but: with his medic image, it looked like he was trying to fish blue.
Also, WIFOM, but I find hard to believe that KillerSOS wagon was pure town. If that is so, slam is mafia

Then, go after sick lucker. The reason ISN'T that he is giving bad reads. The reason is that he noob claimed like three times but he is acting very confident when participating in the game. This is completely scummy. If you are a new player and you assume you're a new player, you would be confused, asking questions, etc., and NOT being certain that someone is scum. He is he because he has perfect information.

Then, if those two were mafia, go against Chez. He has done nothing and it's already night2. He was mostly wasting his votes. His vote switch from lian to sick lucker to Templar was EXTREMELY scummy. A lynch on sick lucker could happen and he switched to Templar because...? If sick lucker really flips red, I would lynch Chez without hesitation.

I may have being wrong on ritoky, I don't know. He is null for me at the moment.

Inquire lian for wasting his votes two times in a row.

That's it.
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November 25 2014 15:03 GMT
#2030
Please read my last post thoroughly. I really believe I'm in the right direction.
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November 25 2014 15:11 GMT
#2031
Wow autocorrect really messes up my typing
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November 25 2014 15:38 GMT
#2032
EBWOP:

Bah, my thoughts:

Lynch slam. I've already gave reasons, but summary: in this game, he isn't having any attempt to solve the game. He is just commenting stuff and being trolley. He is trolly as town also, but when he is town, when he sees that people are going to the wrong direction, he comes to the thread and drops very insightful things. This didn't happen once in the game. He also cluttered the thread a few times, which, for me, is a scum trait. I kept it going on to see where he would go. If he flips scum, check if there was something important going on during those times.
Also, this is WIFOM, but: with his medic image, it looked like he was trying to fish blue.
Also, WIFOM, but I find hard to believe that KillerSOS wagon was pure town. If that is so, slam is mafia

Then, go after sick lucker. The reason ISN'T that he is giving bad reads. The reason is that he noob claimed like three times but he is acting very confident when participating in the game. This is completely scummy. If you are a new player and you assume you're a new player, you would be confused, asking questions, etc., and NOT being certain that someone is scum. He is because he has perfect information.

Then, if those two were mafia, go against Chez. He has done nothing and it's already night2. He was mostly wasting his votes. His vote switch from lian to sick lucker to Templar was EXTREMELY scummy. A lynch on sick lucker could happen and he switched to Templar because...? If sick lucker really flips red, I would lynch Chez without hesitation.

I may have being wrong on ritoky, I don't know. He is null for me at the moment. But he has scummy traits.

Inquire lian for wasting his votes two times in a row.

That's it.
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November 25 2014 17:21 GMT
#2034
On November 26 2014 02:04 sicklucker wrote:
Bah your whole reason for going after me Is I have an ego? I thought you watched my last game I have a huge ego and ive crushed strategy games all my life. Look at my last game final 4 where I shredded a vet obiwan so hard I thought he was mafia. Im not buying it but I dont mind lynching slam.


No. My whole reason is, if you are that confident, pulling the newbie card is completely odd.
You are confident or you are a scared newbie. You can't be both.

You being this confident makes me believe you've pulled the newbie card so you could be ignored.
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November 25 2014 17:22 GMT
#2035
You also don't seem to have any really genuine thoughts. You mostly parrots people scumreads. You say I'm suck because I'm voting you. Wow. People that vote for Killer were also town. Can you see how off this read is?
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November 25 2014 17:36 GMT
#2038
What exact same thing?

Also, slam, I'm reaching the eyes of CHUPAZI. It will be seen once you post.
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November 25 2014 18:10 GMT
#2042
Disturbing
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November 25 2014 18:11 GMT
#2043
On November 26 2014 02:47 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 02:22 GlowingBear wrote:
You also don't seem to have any really genuine thoughts. You mostly parrots people scumreads. You say I'm suck because I'm voting you. Wow. People that vote for Killer were also town. Can you see how off this read is?


No the day one vote is completely useless now. Everyone getting votes was literally town. That whole ve holy , hopeless shit was worse then we thought.


...

KillerSOS was town, hopeless voted him, Templar voted him. Both townies.

Votecount is actually informative, but not in the way you're doing it.
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November 25 2014 20:21 GMT
#2050
On November 26 2014 05:07 Damdred wrote:
we should lynch SL tommorow i think its the best thing to do


Oh damdy.
Ooooh damdy.

Why do I have such a bad time reading you?

Why not slam?
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November 25 2014 21:02 GMT
#2056
On November 26 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB i like your list. Not the reasoning.
Add damdred and you prolly got them all.


Teach me, then, sempai.

What's wrong with my reasoning and what is a better reason to lynch them?
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November 25 2014 21:03 GMT
#2057
On November 26 2014 06:02 sicklucker wrote:
Like every mafia in your list was trying to kill me. Im like never the lynch even if you think im mafia were in lylo theirs better targets. We HAVE to hit.


Hm, no. They were actually not really pushing your lynch. Just voting you with no real intention to lynch you
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November 25 2014 21:16 GMT
#2059
On November 26 2014 06:12 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 05:07 Damdred wrote:
we should lynch SL tommorow i think its the best thing to do


Its not tho in alot of worlds thats what mafia wants to happen to win in lylo. The only people who dont want me voted are the most likely towns. The rest who want me gone are most likely mafia a. It makes no sense for mafia to bus me if ve.rayn.lian,ritoky all think im town if that makes any sense. Two of them are confirmed and the other two are getting the most town read of everyone.

I understand if you dont think im town but thinking im the best lynch today is scummy and what mafia should want.


Who do we lynch then?
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November 25 2014 21:27 GMT
#2061
Slam it is.
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November 25 2014 22:35 GMT
#2063
On November 26 2014 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am dead tired so i only draw you this masterpiece.
[image loading]
peace.


C'mon Rayn...
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November 26 2014 00:20 GMT
#2065
Yeah, game is dead. What a shame.
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November 26 2014 01:58 GMT
#2067
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November 26 2014 02:02 GMT
#2068
[image loading]
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November 26 2014 02:15 GMT
#2069
Ok people, I had an idea.
I believe scum is splitting themselves into two distinct circles, and they are pushing the townies like the following image;

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GlowingBear
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November 26 2014 12:41 GMT
#2102
Those soft claims mean nothing if the roleblocker can choose to forego his ability.

Liancourt was an awesome night kill, it narrows lynch targets greatly. Thank you mafia.

Rayn, if Chezinu claims being the doctor while not believing you're town until now he is obvious mafia. I don't know how good Chez is but this looks so lame that it looks like he is trying to draw attention to be the lynch target.

In other words, I don't believe the roleblocker would be so careless to commit that mistake right now.
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November 26 2014 12:45 GMT
#2103
It actually doesn't matter if he is confirmed mafia right now to be honest, because we don't have a strong idea of who are his partners.

Killing the confirmed mafia right now isn't that good because we know what is going to happen at night. Ritoky will be roleblocked and VE will die. We will be in the same situation we are in now in the next day.

We should risk lynching other player trying to find the roleblocker instead lynching Chez today. If we manage to kill the roleblocker, game is solved: ritoky saves VE, VE shoots Chez and we just have to figure out the other two
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November 26 2014 13:05 GMT
#2105
On November 26 2014 21:55 ritoky wrote:
@GB 2 questions:

1) why should i read you town?
2) if you are town, then there is 1 other town in the game outside of me, VE, and rayn; who is it?


1) Because I'm town. Period. I've put more effort into figuring the game out than anyone else. I'm one of the most prolific players in the thread, since when nobody is talking, I'm constantly trying to put thoughts here and to keep the thread going on. I can't convince anyone I'm town. You should evaluate that for the way in playing this game.

2) I have read damdred as town for a while. He has both of his scum and town metas. As I stated before, I'm having a hard time reading him properly. But now that you say it, I think SL's claim is fake. This is WIFOM, but: lian court was never going to be healed. It seems to me that it was a good strategy to kill someone, let the medic waste his power, and have someone claim being roleblocked to get town cred. So it makes FF the final town.

What do you think of it? What do you think of damdred?
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November 26 2014 13:09 GMT
#2106
BTW, now that Chez is mostly confirmed mafia, it makes SL looks worse because of Chez, vote switch from SL to Templar.
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November 26 2014 13:17 GMT
#2109
On November 26 2014 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 21:45 GlowingBear wrote:
It actually doesn't matter if he is confirmed mafia right now to be honest, because we don't have a strong idea of who are his partners.

Killing the confirmed mafia right now isn't that good because we know what is going to happen at night. Ritoky will be roleblocked and VE will die. We will be in the same situation we are in now in the next day.

We should risk lynching other player trying to find the roleblocker instead lynching Chez today. If we manage to kill the roleblocker, game is solved: ritoky saves VE, VE shoots Chez and we just have to figure out the other two

If you are town you should KNOW who is mafia.
Yet we "don't have a strong idea whoi is mafia".
Ok man...

This game is so laughable.


Lol Rayn.

You've done nothing in this game but bragging and calling me scum without even reading what I write. You had Templar as certain mafia and me as certain mafia. You were wrong in both.
If you have a strong idea on who is mafia like you had before, you simply have no idea.

But you can tell me who is mafia so I can never vote him. It may help.

Ritoky, who did you heal this night?
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November 26 2014 13:41 GMT
#2111
On November 26 2014 22:37 ritoky wrote:
i healed rayn again, thought the mafia wouldn't target VE cuz he can't shoot in fear of potentially losing the game. so i was deciding between protecting confirmed town or protecting my other town read: lian (in the event the mafia went hunting for medic). ultimately i figured protecting a confirmed versus a read was the better course; turns out i was wrong.


Lol you thought of protecting lian?

Lololol.

Anyway, what do you think of the others things I've brought to light?
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November 26 2014 14:18 GMT
#2113
On November 26 2014 22:52 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 22:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 26 2014 22:37 ritoky wrote:
i healed rayn again, thought the mafia wouldn't target VE cuz he can't shoot in fear of potentially losing the game. so i was deciding between protecting confirmed town or protecting my other town read: lian (in the event the mafia went hunting for medic). ultimately i figured protecting a confirmed versus a read was the better course; turns out i was wrong.


Lol you thought of protecting lian?

Lololol.

Anyway, what do you think of the others things I've brought to light?


yes, there was literally a 1% chance VE died last night in my mind, then rayn was confirmed, and i had 1 other town read who was role bait for days. it was basically a coin toss in my head. chose wrong.

as for your points, i am a little confused by you at the moment, might be because i am about to go to sleep. but you seem to be REALLY overcomplicating this. if you're town you need to find 1 town read out of the non-ritoky,VE,rayn players left and then the game is auto from there.

as for my personal opinions on who the 2 other towns are i am withholding those until everyone pleads their case or at least has had a chance to. also i would like to be more awake and thinking properly.


Ok, so, this is from my perspective. If I consider every claim to be legit, this would be the list.

Town
1) GB
2) Rayn
3) VE
4) Ritoky
5) Chez
6) FF
7) SL

Scum
8) Damdred
9) Slam

So, of course there are two people fakeclaiming. One fakeclaiming medic and the other fakeclaiming being roleblocked.

I believe more in your claim than in Chez claim. But I find bizarre that you had no reaction to it.
But I still believe in yours because I can see more of a scum chez than a scum Ritoky.

Between FF and SL, I believe in FF claim. It's because at day one, mafia will try to roleblock because they have to block the vigi. FF fits the lurking blue mindset.
On night 2, vigi wasn't going to shoot, and medic would probably heal between Rayn and VE. So what does scum needs to do? They need to kill an improbable heal and a possible blue. Liancourt was the option (I couldn't be because I tried to take a bullet on night1).
The thing here is: THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE THE ROLEBLOCK ABILITY. They can FAKECLAIM being roleblocked and get town credit. I think that is what happened here.

Which makes the final list like this:


b]Town[/b]
1) GB
2) Rayn
3) VE
4) Ritoky
5) FF

Scum
6) Chez
7) SL
8) Damdred
9) Slam

Which is most probably the final list.

The only thing that I'm hesitating a little is that damdred has being pushing SL the entire game.

But the rest is most likely to be scum. Slam is certainly scum and I think he should be the lynch target today.

plan for night3

You're mostly confirmed town, ritoky, but if we still have any doubt on who is fake claiming, there is a way to solve it.
If we lynch the roleblocker, vigis shot will go through. In case there is only 1 death, someone was healed. If it was vigis target, he just need to say "my target was healed". Then you just have to say who you saved and then you are confirmed.

GG anyway.
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GlowingBear
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November 26 2014 14:26 GMT
#2114
Oh, also: Chez fits the lurking blue mindset much more than liancourt, who acted like a bait (very risky if blue).

So if chez was town and mafia was trying to kill the medic, they would shoot Chez tonight, not liancourt.

Lol scum team should just concede at this point.

SLAM
CHEZ
DAMDRED
SL
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November 26 2014 14:34 GMT
#2115
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November 26 2014 14:46 GMT
#2116
On November 25 2014 13:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Lynch Priority

Templar (6) - liancourt, VisceraEyes, Fecalfeast, Chezinu, Damdred, ritoky

sicklucker (2) - Templar, GlowingBear

GlowingBear (2) - raynpelikoneet, sicklucker

liancourt (1) - Alakaslam


Well, damdred is probably mafia. He made a case on SL but did nothing to push his scumread and, in the end, he didn't vote for him.
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November 26 2014 15:21 GMT
#2118
It doesn't matter damdy. Game will be over soon if we can confirm medics, but I'm positive this is the scum list
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November 26 2014 15:29 GMT
#2122
On November 27 2014 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Glowingbear is mafia because he "doesn't know who is mafia" by his own words yet he refuses to lynch the doctorclaim who couldn't tell i am confirmed town on D2.


Rofl where am I refusing it?
I'm just sure slam is mafia and I doubt chez is the roleblocker.

Everytime you call my reads absurd, I am right and you are wrong.

I'm not calling you bad, I'm saying you're not playing this game at your level. It's a shame that you still have no idea that I'm town.
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November 26 2014 15:31 GMT
#2123
I actually said we don't have strong reads. I didn't say we don't have a grasp of who is mafia.

And we will still have this uncertainty day4

So I would rather risk and try to lynch the roleblocker instead. Which is slam or SL (probably more likely to be SL but too risky to lynch him IMO)
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November 26 2014 15:35 GMT
#2126
On November 27 2014 00:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 21:19 ritoky wrote:
@rayn and VE: what do you think of these two people who claimed roleblocks?

FF claimed roleblock n1
SL claimed roleblock n2

if both are town, then we have 5 town and game is auto, do you believe their claims?

FF is never going to be mafia.
There were 3 blockable roles on N1. There is pretty much no mafia team in this world that doesn't use the roleblock on N1 because of "town credit". FF was not suspected for many people (tbh pretty much the only thing that mattered was me + Holyflare because we were actually starting to agree with each other). Neither of us thought he was scum, hell we were even both pushing townies as our #1 suspect so there is no reason NOT to try roleblock a possible medic/cop (vigi was gonna shoot into town anyways - regardless of who that was, because top 2 suspects were Hopeless and Templar).

I don't know about SL's claim. The fact is they were bluehunting because they shot liancourt. But idk, if they believed him to be medic why not shoot for example me? It is perfectly possible that sicklucker is indeed mafia but that is for later. I think him and GB should be taken a hard hard look into because GB is saying dumb stuff. LIKE REALLY DUMB!!!

There is no other possibilities for mafia. I wanna see what scum does now, but we are definitely lynching Chezinu today.


THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING WHARRGABRL
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November 26 2014 15:37 GMT
#2128
On November 27 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 00:31 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually said we don't have strong reads. I didn't say we don't have a grasp of who is mafia.

And we will still have this uncertainty day4

So I would rather risk and try to lynch the roleblocker instead. Which is slam or SL (probably more likely to be SL but too risky to lynch him IMO)

So your solution is to coinflip in LESS time?
hahahahah


...

Roleblocker is killed, vigi shoots, we can afford a mislynch day4

But whatever, I'm lynching slam, chez or SL today. Whatever town decides
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November 26 2014 15:39 GMT
#2130
On November 27 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not calling you bad, I'm saying you're not playing this game at your level. It's a shame that you still have no idea that I'm town.

At least i do not call confirmed townies mafia and not refuse to lynch confirmed mafia.
It doesn't fucking matter if we lynch the roleblocker or not because VE shooting scum will put us to MYLO which is basically the same thing. WE DON'T EVEN GAIN A MISLYNCH DO THE MATH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!


YEAH LIKE I REALLY REFUSED TO LYNCH MAFIA HOPELESS AND MAFIA TEMPLAR

O WAIT!

Whatever Rayn. I'll lynch anyone from the list I've said.
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November 26 2014 15:40 GMT
#2132
On November 27 2014 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also you have done very well in lynching mafia in this game aswell GB.
At least i can get people to do what i say....


Mafia is very grateful for that. I hope they thank you for all the mislynches.
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November 26 2014 15:41 GMT
#2134
On November 27 2014 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 00:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 27 2014 00:31 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually said we don't have strong reads. I didn't say we don't have a grasp of who is mafia.

And we will still have this uncertainty day4

So I would rather risk and try to lynch the roleblocker instead. Which is slam or SL (probably more likely to be SL but too risky to lynch him IMO)

So your solution is to coinflip in LESS time?
hahahahah


...

Roleblocker is killed, vigi shoots, we can afford a mislynch day4

But whatever, I'm lynching slam, chez or SL today. Whatever town decides

we are 5-4. lynch mafia 5-3.
mafia NK + vigi = 4-2

HEY LET'S MISLYNCH IN 4-2, OK?!?!?!?
kthxbye


Oh yeah, you're right here. My bad.

Ok I'll stop arguing. Let's focus.

What do you think of my list?
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November 26 2014 15:41 GMT
#2135
On November 27 2014 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 00:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2014 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 27 2014 00:31 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually said we don't have strong reads. I didn't say we don't have a grasp of who is mafia.

And we will still have this uncertainty day4

So I would rather risk and try to lynch the roleblocker instead. Which is slam or SL (probably more likely to be SL but too risky to lynch him IMO)

So your solution is to coinflip in LESS time?
hahahahah


...

Roleblocker is killed, vigi shoots, we can afford a mislynch day4

But whatever, I'm lynching slam, chez or SL today. Whatever town decides

Why don't you lynch Damdred?


He is my weakest scumread.
I had him town for the most part of the game.
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GlowingBear
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November 26 2014 15:50 GMT
#2138
Rayn, you're biased because of my bad vote day1.

Consider how active I am, how I'm dropping opinions on the thread. Consider the way in evolving my thoughts. Consider, specially, my effort into solving the game.

Through my perspective, game is completely solved.

You only have to figure out my alignment and the rest you can do by process of elimination, as you can see on my lynch post.
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November 26 2014 15:52 GMT
#2140
Well, you're afraid of lynching SL and I'm afraid of lynching damdred, although he is most likely to be scum. Just to be safe, we should vote the people we are agreeing with.
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November 26 2014 15:54 GMT
#2143
On November 27 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wow Damdred voted for Templar because "Templar voted for SL for his reasons" which is what he had been pushing all game before.
hahah.. Maybe i should also read unmemorable posts.

Well that's better for SL and worse for GB, except that Damdred never voted for SL...
mehhhh....


...

VE, you'll probably have to convince Rayn that I'm town be dude he is refusing to see it.
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November 26 2014 15:57 GMT
#2144
On November 27 2014 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have to pick from me, VE, FF, and ritoky...
So go ahead and pick.


If you read my list post you'll see that I'm putting Damdred as scum, but that he is my weakest read. You don't think I should lynch my strongest to my weakest first?

Think of it this way, Rayn: why would I, as mafia, say that I'm only afraid of lynching Damdred? Why would I doubt sicklucker's claim? Why would I be so open to do that mafia list?
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November 26 2014 15:59 GMT
#2145
BUT if I had to pick one, I would pick two: you and ritoky, and chez would be medic.

Very very very unlikable, btw...
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November 26 2014 16:10 GMT
#2151
YOU ASKED ME TO CHOOSE ONE AND I DID IN A VERY UNLIKABLE SCENARIO.

LYNCH ME THEN AND FUCKING LOSE THE GAME. I SOUND LIKE ELVIS. YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M MAFIA. LYNCH ME.

LOSE
AGAIN
BECAUSE
YOU DON'T KNOW
HOW TO TOWN READ ANYMORE

I'M DONE
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November 26 2014 16:19 GMT
#2153
On November 26 2014 23:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 22:52 ritoky wrote:
On November 26 2014 22:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 26 2014 22:37 ritoky wrote:
i healed rayn again, thought the mafia wouldn't target VE cuz he can't shoot in fear of potentially losing the game. so i was deciding between protecting confirmed town or protecting my other town read: lian (in the event the mafia went hunting for medic). ultimately i figured protecting a confirmed versus a read was the better course; turns out i was wrong.


Lol you thought of protecting lian?

Lololol.

Anyway, what do you think of the others things I've brought to light?


yes, there was literally a 1% chance VE died last night in my mind, then rayn was confirmed, and i had 1 other town read who was role bait for days. it was basically a coin toss in my head. chose wrong.

as for your points, i am a little confused by you at the moment, might be because i am about to go to sleep. but you seem to be REALLY overcomplicating this. if you're town you need to find 1 town read out of the non-ritoky,VE,rayn players left and then the game is auto from there.

as for my personal opinions on who the 2 other towns are i am withholding those until everyone pleads their case or at least has had a chance to. also i would like to be more awake and thinking properly.


Ok, so, this is from my perspective. If I consider every claim to be legit, this would be the list.

Town
1) GB
2) Rayn
3) VE
4) Ritoky
5) Chez
6) FF
7) SL

Scum
8) Damdred
9) Slam

So, of course there are two people fakeclaiming. One fakeclaiming medic and the other fakeclaiming being roleblocked.

I believe more in your claim than in Chez claim. But I find bizarre that you had no reaction to it.
But I still believe in yours because I can see more of a scum chez than a scum Ritoky.

Between FF and SL, I believe in FF claim. It's because at day one, mafia will try to roleblock because they have to block the vigi. FF fits the lurking blue mindset.
On night 2, vigi wasn't going to shoot, and medic would probably heal between Rayn and VE. So what does scum needs to do? They need to kill an improbable heal and a possible blue. Liancourt was the option (I couldn't be because I tried to take a bullet on night1).
The thing here is: THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE THE ROLEBLOCK ABILITY. They can FAKECLAIM being roleblocked and get town credit. I think that is what happened here.

Which makes the final list like this:


Town
1) GB
2) Rayn
3) VE
4) Ritoky
5) FF

Scum
6) Chez
7) SL
8) Damdred
9) Slam


Which is most probably the final list.

The only thing that I'm hesitating a little is that damdred has being pushing SL the entire game.

But the rest is most likely to be scum. Slam is certainly scum and I think he should be the lynch target today.

plan for night3

You're mostly confirmed town, ritoky, but if we still have any doubt on who is fake claiming, there is a way to solve it.
If we lynch the roleblocker, vigis shot will go through. In case there is only 1 death, someone was healed. If it was vigis target, he just need to say "my target was healed". Then you just have to say who you saved and then you are confirmed.

GG anyway.


It's not that I don't want to lynch damdred. I do t want to lynch him first because of the 0,000001% probability that I'm wrong.
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GlowingBear
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November 26 2014 16:47 GMT
#2161
Ok Rayn, I've cooled down.

It felt over explained because I revealed all my thought process. I'm always trying to look all different scenarios, so I post them to try to eliminate every impossible option.

So, was it more likely that your heal claim was legit? Yes.
Was it possible that it came from a mafia, though? Yes.

I've scumread you not for that claim, but for misinterpreting me/ pushing me without considering all my other circumstances. Specially after my entrance. That VE thing was bullshitty.

Sometimes, I have a hard time to get my message to go through. I think explained them in detail would help people understand me and my POV. Because, yes, those four on my list are certainly mafia for me, but, as I said, I consider ALL scenarios, and I can see slam in all of them. That's why I want to lynch him first.

I've never pull out the donkey town with you in the game as mafia. I know it wouldn't work again.
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November 26 2014 18:10 GMT
#2166
On November 27 2014 02:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I can't believe liancourt decided I was scum because for a bit no chupazi and rayn jumps on it so everyone just defaults to scum.

Then I go nuts on pc and all gb gets from it is "Nope still scum no insight"

SERIOUSLY

we have not lynched one mafia and I am near universally scumread and you expect insight to even be noticed if it miraculously happened under such pressure?!?!?!

You take me for that cool headed of an individual?!


1) Why do you assume I'm town?

2) You can still put us in the right direction if you're town, slam. I'll be waiting for it.

Because, seriously, if chez is really the medic, then it's his fault he will lose the game.
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GlowingBear
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November 26 2014 18:16 GMT
#2168
On November 27 2014 03:13 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 18:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
Well, I was roleblocked N1 and used that to see if continuing the afk lurker game would get me killed since I thought they were blue reading me. Better afkfecalfeast than a real blue, right?

SL being RB'd makes him a good town for now but why did mafia think medic was between SL and Lian? I had ritoky or Chezinu as blues myself.


I softed medic at some point trying to take a bullit ill bring it up no one really caught on. I think it makes more sense for ff's claim to be fake. Since it was night one mafia is definitely going to use it with more targets but at the same time they would probably gas to not help anyone be semi confirmed. That being said we can both be real. The only medic candidates left were me ritoky and lian. Lian gets killed so its a 50/50 I get blocked im not shocked.

Alright gonna finish catching up and find that.


And chez. Funny how in your mind you forgot to put chez. It's like you know he isn't the medic.

Scum slip.
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GlowingBear
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November 26 2014 18:22 GMT
#2173
People, game is solved.
Believe me please.

Lynch the list I've made.

Please town, believe me.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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November 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#2176
It's over, SL. Your scumslip is true.

Slam will come and say that there isn't a thing as scum slip. But this counts so much against SL. So fucking much.

Again, if ritoky is fakeclaiming I blame the real doctor for the loss.
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GlowingBear
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November 26 2014 18:37 GMT
#2178
On November 27 2014 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 03:24 sicklucker wrote:
On November 27 2014 00:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On November 27 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wow Damdred voted for Templar because "Templar voted for SL for his reasons" which is what he had been pushing all game before.
hahah.. Maybe i should also read unmemorable posts.

Well that's better for SL and worse for GB, except that Damdred never voted for SL...
mehhhh....


...

VE, you'll probably have to convince Rayn that I'm town be dude he is refusing to see it.


You dont have to convince the confirmed towns. This games probably going to a final 3 you have to convince the people that will be left.

^

I'm no good at convincing rayn of anything, anyway.


Of course I have to convince since if I get mislynched, this game is over.

Anyway, my list is there to read. I've done as much as I can. I'm waiting for your decisions. I'm also waiting for slam putting us in the right track if he is town.
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GlowingBear
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November 26 2014 18:41 GMT
#2180
On November 27 2014 03:39 sicklucker wrote:
Gb is not trying to convince the people he needs to convince. Hes just making havoc. I think ve should decide on are lynch. Rayns been off this game so hes the logical choice. No gb you dont control are lynch stop trying your one of the unconfirms.


Lol "can you just not resist so I can mislynch you please?"

Bah. See you guys .
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GlowingBear
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November 27 2014 02:47 GMT
#2222
HAHAHAHA

This game finally got interesting
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November 27 2014 12:52 GMT
#2238
Lol that's such a bad move from mafia damdy that I'm kinda skeptical that it could be ever done by mafia.

But anyway, he's in my list. Choose a target.
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GlowingBear
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November 27 2014 18:33 GMT
#2246
Oh cool, mafia team is gonna be modkilled
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GlowingBear
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November 27 2014 20:22 GMT
#2250
Oh god.

Oh
God.
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GlowingBear
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November 27 2014 20:34 GMT
#2252
On November 28 2014 05:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 05:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh god.

Oh
God.

Yes?


Oh hai
Nice beard.

This game is so confusing.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 27 2014 23:15 GMT
#2257
On November 28 2014 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 24 2014 02:03 Damdred wrote:
VE is never scum as an un cc big GB what you talkin bout

LMAO



Yeah, damdy, if you're really vigi and you said that, you've simply lost the game. There was no single attempt of yours to lynch VE after he claimed, which makes no sense for a confirmed mafia.

Slam is still my top target, but I would lynch you last day, anyways.

Also, we can't reciprocally read each other as town, as I stated on easy game LOL
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GlowingBear
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Brazil12446 Posts
November 27 2014 23:18 GMT
#2258
Early*
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November 27 2014 23:42 GMT
#2262
On November 28 2014 08:19 Damdred wrote:
GB I couldn't risk getting shot early when we can hit mafia today and then shoot a mafia please help me


There are subtle ways to push people damdy. You voted on Templar, with the confirmed mafia to you.
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GlowingBear
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November 27 2014 23:42 GMT
#2263
On November 28 2014 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 08:19 Damdred wrote:
GB I couldn't risk getting shot early when we can hit mafia today and then shoot a mafia please help me

I really hope that him not considering the possibility of a roleblocker MAKES him the roleblocker. Fingers crossed.


Setup is open and I bet it's slam
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GlowingBear
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November 28 2014 00:12 GMT
#2264
[image loading]
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November 28 2014 18:14 GMT
#2292
I've already posted on day
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November 28 2014 19:55 GMT
#2299
On November 29 2014 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sicklucker looks the best of the two rb claims to me, and he just seems more townie than FF. If we lynch into the RB claims I lynch FF in that situation.


Sicklucker is much more likely.
Much more.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 28 2014 22:13 GMT
#2309
All I have to say I've already said, ritoky.

I can't do much more.

What do you want from me?
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GlowingBear
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Brazil12446 Posts
November 28 2014 23:38 GMT
#2317
On November 29 2014 07:43 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 07:33 ritoky wrote:
On November 29 2014 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
All I have to say I've already said, ritoky.

I can't do much more.

What do you want from me?


do you think we should lynch into you/ff/SL while there are still confirmed townies alive?

also, in your list post of town rankings, you had chez above BOTH FF and SL (even though both had claimed to be rb'd); and the only reason you had chez in mafia was because he claimed medic (which he hasn't fully stood by? cuz he hasn't done anything?). Why did you have chez above both of them?


YES! I was about to make a post about how we should decide tormorow. I made the same case in my last game where I was town (ff and rayn were also town) Everyone ignored me and mafia got a free win in the final3 because everyone voted sleep in the final 4.

We know slam and chez are 99.9% mafia. Why not decide the game tomorrow? Theres one mafia between me ff and gb. Lets decide Tomorrow while we have everyone alive rather then wait and give the hammer to a probable mafia.


Do you seriously believe this is coming from a townie, ritoky?

Today was the day to do that. Tomorrow isn't.
Because today was the day that we should've killed the roleblocker, so we could have the vigi shot. But you guys refused this idea.

Anyway, ritoky, I don't remember anymore but I'm firmly that mafia would kill chez thinking he is the medic instead of killing lian. Lian wasn't likely to be blue for the risk he was taking as being a bait and being mislynched. Therefore, Chez is mafia.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 00:11 GMT
#2319
On November 29 2014 08:57 sicklucker wrote:
Vigi shot doesint matter if theirs 3 unconfirmed. It will just leave a final 4 instead of a final 3. We stll have to kill one of the unconfirms at some point why not now if were so confident in those two being scum (we are)


It matters if he hits scum and there's a doctor save (unlikely, but not impossible as it is now)
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GlowingBear
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Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 02:03 GMT
#2330
[image loading]

A three and a tree
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GlowingBear
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Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 02:43 GMT
#2341
I'm voting slam, I'm just sure you're mafia man.

I've brought very far reasoning that you're mafia. I don't have more to say

Ritok, the game is solved to me unless your medic claim is fake, which I doubt. If you want my reasoning, you can check my filter.

Chez should be mafias target last night, not lian or sl. Chez is mafia.

The only thing we have to solve in this game is who is fakeclaiming being roleblocked.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 02:44 GMT
#2342
SL, let's play another game: who are you going to vote in the final 3, if final three is me and ff?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 03:09 GMT
#2357
On November 25 2014 13:04 Chezinu wrote:
[image loading][image loading][image loading]



On November 25 2014 13:19 Chezinu wrote:
[image loading]


15 minutes difference from each time stamp.

This vote switch is odd. Nothing happened to make chez to change his vote.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 03:12 GMT
#2358
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=96

Something odd happened in this page that could be alignment indicative, as slam started to clutter the thread right there.

Can you hemp me find what was it?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 03:19 GMT
#2359
On November 25 2014 13:18 sicklucker wrote:
FF you said you dont want to lynch me put by taking your vote off of temp to chez without anyone else doing it makes the vote 4 temp 3 me so your actually helping the scum list you just posted.


HAHAHAHA
JUST BEFORE THE CHEZINUS VOTE SWITCH
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 03:24 GMT
#2361
I'll also remember that damdred made a shit case on sicklucker and although he was extremely scumreading him, he voted for Templar.

Do you guys need ANY MORE flipped association to be convinced?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 03:27 GMT
#2364
On November 29 2014 12:23 Chezinu wrote:
GB wrong argument. The SL vote was just a placeholder vote cause I wasn't sure when deadline was and had not painted my vote. Read the thread. Anyways, town has already lost. VE is shooting me and mafia kill another townie tonight. We already lost the game. There is no hope. I wouldn't be surprised if Hilter shows up and shoots someone. That'd be 3 dead townies.

Game over man, Game over.


If that was true, you wouldn't draw "Unvote".

Thanks for making the game easier.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 03:29 GMT
#2366
In case I die tonight, it's because mafia is cornered and will try to fucking drown town into WIFOM.

DO NOT GET TRAPPED INTO THAT.

Trust my reads and yours.

Good night.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 29 2014 03:29 GMT
#2367
Stop trying and consider conceding. Game is solved.
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GlowingBear
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November 29 2014 10:37 GMT
#2468
Gg.
/obs pls
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December 01 2014 02:14 GMT
#2569
HI im extremely drunk
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December 01 2014 08:54 GMT
#2604
You've became obvious mafia to me when chez changed his vote from you to Templar lol
The noob claim + being confident also convinced me.

It's a shame nobody reads what I post
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GlowingBear
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December 01 2014 09:32 GMT
#2609
On December 01 2014 18:07 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 17:54 GlowingBear wrote:
You've became obvious mafia to me when chez changed his vote from you to Templar lol
The noob claim + being confident also convinced me.

It's a shame nobody reads what I post

That was a placeholder vote as I painted the templar vote. I was telling the truth. At least people aren't accusing me of voting lian anymore.


Huehue I really thought you voted lian lol

I never said he was towny HF c'mon I said that it was a very bad move for mafia
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