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On November 22 2014 03:10 Damdred wrote: I really don't feel good about a templars lynch here, I know a few people have him as meh but this really reminds me of how he was acting in mission mafia. sort of unfortunate you don't have a normal game where I was mafia to compare too | ||
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On November 22 2014 03:15 sicklucker wrote: Well why are you town. I had you on my scum list I dont think you should be shocked. I can always unvote if you come off towny here No you didn't... | ||
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You took credit for someone else mentioning that I could be scum, then you said "I'm bored of templar let's talk about someone else" | ||
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On November 22 2014 04:04 sicklucker wrote: Templar thats just a lie quote plz I think your mistaking me for someone else No, you're right. I misread your post due to bad spelling | ||
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On November 21 2014 04:50 sicklucker wrote: Ok im on bored the templar scum train. Not rushing through the thread this time. Saying your bad in the second line of your first post and you didnt read it properly. I dont expect this from a 30k post guy. I expect him to have played a few games before can anyone tell me the meta here?. He never commits to his reads which is what id expect mafia to do. Also gives a end of post excuse to ignore the game and not read it in "the right direction" I thought this said "Ok I am bored of the templar scum train" | ||
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The main problem with not voting VE is that he's not only inconsistent and overconfident, he's also blowing things out of proportion and even occasionally lying. On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote: I woke up and read the thread but I'm so confused now. I see your scum reads but I actually do not understand why anyone looks scummy at all for the first three hours. Pretty much entirely neutral reads save maybe one or two in that time period, maybe I should read it again. Pre-post edit: I read the last few pages in reverse order and it mostly made sense. Hmm. This post is being made using information up to this post. VE looks suspicious to me. Disclaimer: I am a terrible player Because, in some games of mafia, people use slightly different logic and games turn out differently than others! Woah! I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly. So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off? Which of these is the lie? Also I know that these posts are an hour apart, but I don't think you can say someone is probably mafia but predict they will flip town. This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler. I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds. Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent. My first post after the game began. Some of the points that are considered weird/bad/scummy: -The disclaimer -The link to the previous post -I misread this post, which made part of my case more confusing On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this: -I called out VE for bad posting which is apparently blasphemous Now, I believe that I already explained the disclaimer and the link, and nobody seemed to actually read my post -.-' so the clarity is unimportant. My reasoning for making this post was that I would prefer to start out the game with some measure of clarity. When VE opened in the way he did, it pushed half of the players in the game completely out of my field of vision solely because of how many different things he said. I didn't even realize that some players like Chezinu had made posts, even after I re-read, even though he makes some of the first posts in the game. This made me feel uncomfortable to say the least. VE has consistently tried to take, at the very least, more than his fair share of the spotlight. First he hinted at reasoning behind agreeing with someone in order to grab attention. Then he came up with a moderately large analysis post out of almost nothing. He refuses to actually change his mind about anything so far, and when he wants to, he just switches to a different subject that has a partly established opinion to look like his opinions are stronger or more correct. Especially this, which I feel the need to bring up again since he has randomly decided that sheeping Rayn is a good idea instead of actually showing his *real* evidence against HF. And yes, he is sheeping Rayn, that's pretty obvious at this point I think. On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town. Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ. Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this: I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. This is also the last thing he said concerning me before randomly agreeing with rayn. On November 20 2014 18:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Templar's post is bad, but I don't think it makes him mafia. It's an awful big post and a lot of effort for mafia to go to. IF he's mafia then why does he make that post? Like, I'm not the lynch today in any world, ever. If he wants to fight me about that fine - but why does he do that as mafia? As he has not explained a damn thing since 5am yesterday morning, I don't expect him to actually answer this with anything but "you're so wrong", but I would like to ask: Why has one of rayn's case on me, which has not changed, or liancourt being "town", which is a really bad thing to assume, suddenly convinced you that I would be a good lynch? Is there some reason I'm not seeing at all? And don't answer that it was your idea that Lian is town. That would be referring to this post: On November 21 2014 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayns posting makes him look town to me. I think I agree with his townread of lian, but mainly because in the last game he was scum and was much more amicable with town...in a pacifying kind of way. Very unlike what he's doing in this game. I don't like necessarily what he's doing in the thread (just trying to make everyone angry) but like rayn I think he's probably town. Your case in this post is that since he was trying in a game where he happened to be mafia, he shouldn't be mafia since he's not trying. That is a terrible case. I am only pointing this sheep out because VE was extremely confident at the beginning of the day but doesn't seem to have an original idea at this point to follow. So, something about his play at the beginning of the day is justifiably off, as I said. Back to the post I made at the beginning: I think this is a terrible mindset! There are 44 hours left in the day and you believe solved part of the game with certainty? Well, I would not give up your vote this soon in the day. It makes you look really weird in my eyes because you're only doing it to make your point that you believe that Holyflare is scummy... which you've already established pretty well. Should he show himself to be towny later on, you'd feel silly. So are you going to continue pressure on Hopeless or do you think he's made enough mistakes to look mafia until you vote him off? My point at this part of the post is that VE is suspicious as he pushed Holyflare until he over-reacted. This is justified by the fact that, after I wrote this, he continued to push HF but never actually made a REAL, detailed case on him, only repeating over and over that he was obviously bad. Now, I only think this is suspicious because of partly where and mostly when it happened. The beginning of day 1 is not the time to say you are quite sure about something, you don't say you're keeping your vote on someone for the remaining 44 hours of the day, and you DON'T make "strong early reads" at the beginning of the game, at least not in the way he was doing it. His original vote was based on... A bad paint drawing. On November 20 2014 13:54 Chezinu wrote: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/cb6W0en.png) On November 20 2014 13:58 Hopeless1der wrote: is that an iceberg or a water monster? As my serious side showed up for this game and not my entertaining side, I would rather not distinguish between the one person that makes paint in response to paint, and the person that asks for clarification on the paint. Heck, you could reverse your opinion and say that asking for clarification is towny and that imitation of someone else's work in such a way is scummy. On November 20 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote: VE ELABORATE OR I LYNCH YOU On November 20 2014 14:57 Fecalfeast wrote: (Just mentioning that this was completely ignored despite being a huge overreaction)so hopeless wundurr is scum because he tried to be serious? Now, Hopeless's reaction was actually really far from an overreaction. On November 20 2014 15:00 Hopeless1der wrote: VE colored me green, I see no reason to comment further. (Obviously not serious) On November 20 2014 15:10 Hopeless1der wrote: lol wut. there is no case, there's me seeing a ridiculous picture and wondering "what the fuck?" I'm guessing this is the one line response that you see as the "overreaction". I'll come back to this. On November 20 2014 15:21 Hopeless1der wrote: I think you are overjustifying way too hard. Unless you have huge knowledge bombs to drop, I don't see anything wrong with this in context. You are voting him based on a few bad paints that other people made, after all. Making a serious case based on that an hour into the game is easily perceived as trying too hard. Back to the most serious post he made in that time period. Since the paint is unclear, I don't see any problem with wondering "what the hell is this supposed to be?" After all, I thought the same thing while re-reading the thread. I'm pretty sure most of us did. And he was the only person to even respond to that particular post, fecal was focusing on mysterious snowflakes. On November 20 2014 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: It's one observation. How can ONE observation about ONE thing you've done be "overjustification"? That's complete nonsense LMAO This is an overreaction to the "overreaction". Isn't that funny. So basically, VE makes a case based on general human behavior and votes hopeless, who doesn't think that anything that has been done matters at this point. Honestly, I'm OK with the pressure vote, but after that he was clearly tunneling and trying to find a reason to keep pushing his case which shouldn't be the case. This is a useless post, but it's OK because you 'contributed' and didn't start out with filler. I said this in jest to try to make the point that his picture-drawning case was completely worthless. He was obviously trying to take his case too far. I don't play metagame mafia (because I can't) but I'm interested in how definitive this post sounds. Anyway I don't have time right now for the rest of you because the Hot6ix cup is on, but I just found it interesting how much VE has dominated the thread while being... inconsistent. Yes this part looks dumb. I said this because I made a mistake in Mission mafia by making a large post similar to this before leaving for a while without clarifying anything, and people said my post looked scum. So at the time, I thought that clarifying that I wouldn't be able to answer questions about it would be better. | ||
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On November 22 2014 04:59 sicklucker wrote: I think asumeing Lian is town because hes playing so badly is a really bad idea. I can understand people thinking hes null because of it but town? I agree with this by the way | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote: Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad? On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote: stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions? There is no reason to vote hope the votes are bad same thing LOL What was the point of your question mafia? i change my vote templar is mafai I asked this question because: -the reasoning on the votes that liancourtboy was surprised at was shaky, and I wanted to know what he actually thought about Hopeless instead of dodging the issue while criticizing people. He might have been thinking Hopeless could be mafia, for a completely different reason. -I wanted to know if liancourtyboy was paying any attention or if he was more likely to be a liability to the town. So NO, liancourtyboy, there is definitely a difference. Next time pay attention. If I was seriously asking a question as simple as that one looked to a casual such as yourself, I would serve no purpose in this game so you have no reason to laugh at me. On November 20 2014 19:58 The_Templar wrote: I'm saying Rayn already saw my post and said I was mafia based on it. Then he started posting everything based on my being mafia. He made just 3 posts after the post I was referring to. Two of them involved me being mafia and/or killing me. I continued to try to push liancourtyboy in order to get him to play the game. On November 21 2014 00:27 The_Templar wrote:
I don't like your posts. This is the worst in a series of low-content, low-effort, low-grammar posts that you've made today. If I wanted to lynch you immediately, I would have voted you right there and then. Order isn't important when voting, and only agreeing to vote when I get someone else to vote first always looks suspicious. Your last sentence is garbage. Most of your other points are basically related to my play style and are null. Know that I only vote when I have a good reason and someone is pressuring me to vote. Here I'll help you ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xuprmbW.png) I don't want to play with jerks. I really don't see anything wrong with making it very clear that I don't want to play this game with anyone that simply refuses to be helpful, type in complete sentences, or even bother reading the thread and stating an opinion. Even one of those would be so much nicer to have. More on why I want him to shape up or be replaced can be found here, so I'm not going to go too deeply into that. Since then, everyone has completely ignored me while the votes on me have piled up. Nice. | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: That's a long as post that says "VE might be mafia based on this" Interestingly, I don't have to respond to any of it because all of it also says "VE might be town based on this" in context. Here, let me fix this post On November 22 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: That's a long as post that says "VE is probably mafia based on this, this, and this" Interestingly, I should probably respond to some of it because some of it also says "VE could be town based on this" in context. | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:07 VisceraEyes wrote: This is how it's different. He was much more blendy in the scumgame. He doesn't look to be "blending in" very well in this game. You can't compare him in this game to how he played in another game, because he's obviously not trying | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote: There's nothing to respond to in there Templar, you're misrepresenting my actions according to what you THINK my scum motivations are when I've made my (real) town motivations clear and explicit in the thread. Everything about me that you have a problem with is made clear in my filter. You cherrypicking things that made you suspicious initially doesn't change the fact that I've been in here discussing the game and giving reads all game. If you had actually done this, I might not have had a problem with you the entire game | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: That's the other thing - one of you main points of contention with me is that I haven't "reevaluated" Holyflare all game, but you haven't reevaluated on me THE ENTIRE game from your (bad) intro case on me on. It's been the same tired arguments that don't make me mafia over and over again. It's really boring. My last post IS a re-evaluation. I arrived at roughly the same conclusion. | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:11 VisceraEyes wrote: That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. His play this game looks different from his last game. The easy conclusion to swallow is "he is a different alignment" I don't care how much you don't like playing with him. Yes, his play looks different, because he's NOT PLAYING. There's nothing that you can actually compare to his last game. If he starts playing instead of whatever he's doing now then I could agree with comparing his play to how he played the previous play | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Like it's cool dude - you think I'm mafia. You're wrong. You don't like how I play? That's on you man. I've made it clear to most people that I'm town playing this way, I don't have to convince you. this is exactly what a mafia would say | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote: Why does townVE have to convince you? I'm not convinced he's townVE. What sort of question is this? | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote: Templar why are you still focusing on stuff from pages with single digits? Randomly went to page 18 and one of the posts I used in my defense was there. To answer your question, since VE "solved" the game in the single-digit pages, clearly there is important stuff there. The last 10-15 pages have mostly been bickering anyway. | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm asking you why saying "I don't have to convince you" is something mafia aligned Town would probably give some actual reasoning for why my case is wrong instead of saying that it makes him look more town aligned, and they would likely not be satisfied with giving up on the person that is under the most pressure. | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh you're just mad that I'm so "certain" of my early reads? Man it's just something that comes with playing a lot of games, don't be mad about that. I may even be wrong about them, I can own that if/when it happens. But I AM town, that's just something you're going to have to accept if YOU are town. If YOU are town though, you should probably convince ME otherwise because PRESENTLY you're set to die and NOT me. Just sayin. That's why I also made a defense post. I am not mad, I am sarcastically pointing out that you were so successful in solving the game early while pointing out that there's still a lot of information to be discussed there. I may even be wrong about them, I can own that if/when it happens. But I AM town, that's just something you're going to have to accept if YOU are town. This is pretty much a scum claim | ||
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