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I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? | ||
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On October 12 2014 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote: owb is a lurker. If he doesn't post, then someone can vig him or he'll be modkilled. Random thoughts: Pretty sure Req has no idea at all how to play or what he's doing. I know i said I wouldn't do this, but it just doesn't seem likely to me that he's scum actively bluefishing in the thread. His scumteam would not be happy with that (though obviously if the scumteam is equally newbie it doesn't mean much). Mordek you've had almost a day and a fair number of pages of thread. Surely you can give us a little more than that. Thoughts on Soniv? Alzadar? What do you think of my vote on Asmo? And for that matter is anyone else in this game actually going to drop a vote at any point in time? First impressions on Soniv were actually scum. I honestly don't know what to think of you two with the early banter. Alzadar looked suspicious but I think I was "bandwagoning" with a bunch of posts saying what he was doing was suspicious. Asmo didn't seem to post out of character from his normal self but it's day 1 or w/e and its hard to see where words don't match actions. I was giving it some thought while working on the yard and I think I'm most convinced of Cixah. He read you as 55% scum. To me this is weird as I think you'd either be entirely convinced your town and setting the right environment or entirely convinced you're making some huge epic mafia play and pulling the wool over all our eyes. Seems to tentative. I understand doubts but feels like that and the 51/49 split is also just trying not to stick your neck out. I'm not sure if this is a good read but I will confidently assert it and meet any rebuttals with an open mind. Also I followed your advise and read all about WIFOM and the Princess Bride. How do you not make a WIFOM argument before a lynching? I thought Req's post about everything being confusing and angry was a sign he's not in the informed minority but that could also be a nice play on his part. | ||
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@Req, I totally get what you're saying but voting is the only real way to put your money where your mouth is. It's an action instead of just words. I'll take my own advice. I have a hunch Cixah is scum and I'll back it up with a vote: ##Vote Cixah | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:48 Cixah wrote: 40 minute drive home op. I'm role claiming. Innocent Child While this doesn't have really any effect unless you buy into it and let me live until morning That's your call. I find it scummy from quite a few people saying "50% isn't a read" or is wishy washy when you do the EXACT same thing when I ask you that question. My number one read is still Azladar. While wave did mention it first, my reasoning is the same, you have done nothing in this game that proves that you are NOT Scum. Mordek is definitely my number 2, played the game from the side then coming in with the weak reasoning of wishy washy ness + Show Spoiler [segment from Mordek's post] + He read you as 55% scum. To me this is weird as I think you'd either be entirely convinced your town and setting the right environment or entirely convinced you're making some huge epic mafia play and pulling the wool over all our eyes. Seems to tentative. I understand doubts but feels like that and the 51/49 split is also just trying not to stick your neck out. I'm not sure if this is a good read but I will confidently assert it and meet any rebuttals with an open mind. How does 1 early game post like a 50/50 read because the player hasn't posted enough or is giving mixed signals push me enough into Scum for you to Vote? That's my question to you. Number 3 is Ghandi due to how quickly he jumped at the vote and rash "getting the game moving" voting. First, I encouraged a rebuttal and said I'd keep an open mind. I'm not going to act like my "feeling" is ironclad. I'm being open about my read and I want your reaction. Your post just seemed fluffy while not actually asserting yourself one way or another. I don't see why me picking that up on you is in anyway scummy. I'm trying to gather information to find out who is scum. As far as I've read, making posts that don't further anything is scummy. An early 50/50 says squat. | ||
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Also Req, just PM dandel with questions. If you post anything in this thread you have to fully expect people to interpret it/re-read it/analyze it. If it's simply gameplay function just PM, at least that's what I would do. | ||
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On October 12 2014 18:56 Lord Tolkien wrote: Right. It's no longer yesterday, and town clearly needs to be saved from drowning. So. Good thing I don't put in effort until the second half of D1. Town Hero Mode ACTIVATE Not Quite Confirmed Town, maybe a nice shade of minty green: NOT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK D1 mordek: I like him. Him response to the 6ah random early Innocent Child claim is townie to me. I want him to be more decisive with his reads on other people, but I'm townpiling him for now. Also mordek, unvote 6ah right now. Alaric: Also sold on Alaric for now. Very pro-town set of posts, but also lacking decision for now. Perhaps nubishness. ketchup: Same as above: going the right direction. On October 13 2014 02:09 Lord Tolkien wrote: 4) jeff you're not town. Just not "scum scum" because your behavior sucks if you're mafia. In newbie mafia in particular, mafia will probably hide by posting like Alaric or Mordek or Moonbear. Newbie mafia aren't inclined to troll as their first instinct. Can you explain what changed your mind about me? Also ##Unvote Cixah | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:08 Lord Tolkien wrote: So you're just sheeping wave here? Real question. Are you a lemming? I'm being consistent. That was my first read. Usually it's the right one. It's the scum that flip back and forth and point to different people. You're not convincing me with this post that I'm wrong. | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:13 Lord Tolkien wrote: Why do you think Im trying to convince you of anything? Show me where I said you're trying to convince me. You also conveniently didn't respond to my post where I quote two of your posts and ask you a question. | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote: I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote. ##Vote Lord Tolkien On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote: Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader. I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:47 Lord Tolkien wrote: You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1. Ok, so I see you posted this twice so I'll respond. This is D1, I've tried to push and poke a couple things and observe. I haven't seen any better argument for someone being scum. Honestly, point me to who you think is scum and why and I'll vote if it makes sense. I'm not changing my vote just because Wave unvoted either. | ||
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So far I've voted Cixah and then LT. I thought I had somewhat of a meta-read on Cixah and probably had that creating some confirmation bias in my mind reading through his posts. So now that I'm convinced Cixah is town I thought I should look at who else voted Cixah. Obv Alz was also critiquing his posts but also Ghandi seemed to hop on the Cixah wagon. I thought I had a valid reason voting for him but Ghandi, like usual it seems, offered little insight. I'm sticking with LT for now, that's what my gut says but I also thing Ghandi is at the least not-Town. | ||
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On October 13 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Mordek did you read what I wrote about LT? Do you think it makes sense for him to do what he did? I read he was in your top 2, and you had some kind of read on him and voted. LT then voted Asmo with no explanation. I made some comments after being accused of sheeping with your vote and LT has not convinced me anyone else is scummier. | ||
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Ok, so the flipside being MB and LT are both scum but that's too obvious and he would never do that? | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:26 ketchup wrote: It says voting is mandatory. He is definitely mod killed if he doesn't vote. I mean there is still a chance for moonbear to participate, but the fact that you guys think letting mafia have two kills on day 1 is a good idea. What a joke. This is why letting it stay on moonbear is definitely a good town move even if you think he is scum or town. However we don't really gain anything from the voting record this way. | ||
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I'm ok with that. Honestly, I'm struggling a little. I know this is just a game but my personality is just not handling this very well. This is an aside, isn't furthering any town agenda but I honestly need to get this off my chest. The first day was intriguing but I have been unbelievably stressed because of this game. I spent most of my waking hours yesterday mulling over this game and it just didn't feel healthy. I feel lonely and as much as I'm an independent man, the opinion of the majority of people affects me deeply. I've felt like crap IRL for the last 24 hours and it's silly but it is what it is. I need to recompose myself and I want to play the game out to the best of my ability. | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:04 onlywonderboy wrote: Nah it's actually pretty important. If there was 4 scum instead of 3 it would completely change the way we could start looking at scum relationships. It's not important right now. This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be me. We really should stop talking about it. Personally I think all this conversation does is give scum an opportunity to act ignorant of their numbers. | ||
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On October 14 2014 15:07 Requizen wrote: @ketchup I have no more information. That was my summation of his posts before that point. He only posted a little bit afterwards, none of which changed my mind. He talked about the Wave/Soniv/LordT dynamic but it didn't make me think him more town or scum in any direction. So you can reread the same post, or I can type it out in different words again. mordek is likely asleep as it is 1 here. This is correct guys I go to bed 10pm EST lol. I have one more page to catch up on. As I've said multiple times, Jeff is my #1 scum read. Behind him are Coma/Alz/Soniv. I've been trying to do the pre and post flip associations like Wave did and figure out if it's possible to get a really good sense which of those 4 are probably opposite factions. I was under the impression if we flip Jeff we gain the most information or am I off base here? | ||
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While owb has been posting about as much as me, I think he's brought up solid points each time so in terms of Alarics list I put them in town while I'm not sold Asmo. | ||
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Soniv, I just haven't felt convinced otherwise. ##Vote jcarlsoniv | ||
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)Here's what I can add with minimal time, my current spectrum (town -- scum): Cixah - Alaric - Wave - owb - Req - Alz - Asmo - Coma - Soniv - Ghandi Cixah - Confirmed Town Alaric - Posts have consistently been helpful and insightful Wave - Has provided direction and initiation owb - solid points here and there but posts are sporadic (in my casual game mindset not that much of a knock) Req - I think the erratic town description was fitting and sits right with me Alz - I keep coming to the same conclusions so I'm not sure if scum playing me well or what, props either way Asmo - Pretty good posts when he shows up, I think his current position in my mind is swayed heavily by Wave's posts Coma - Honestly coma posts like coma sooo yeah. I can't get a read but lurkerish and I'd rather he not slip through for too long Soniv - Had a feeling from the beginning and I just haven't been able to shake it :/ sorry bud Ghandi - He's been called on it and nothing he's said shows me town. It's possible we're tunnel visioned and he's just not getting through to everyone but seems highly unlikely. The simple explanation is usually the correct one. | ||
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On October 15 2014 12:34 ketchup wrote: This is difficult for me to answer. I really thought asmo was a bit scummy earlier, but his last few posts have been decent. He is actively attempting to look at things in different perspectives, which is nice. The fact that he pointed out soniv might be attempting to get me back on his side by pressuring Req(and I was the only one who wanted people to look at Req), was nice to me. I thought about it as well, but I discarded the information because it seems fairly complex for no real reward. What's the point of pocketing me when I can't save him? I think the scenario he thought up, is basically only possible in extreme circumstances. It's overly complicated, and that's more of a town tell to me than it is a scum tell. @Wave regarding the bolded I actually had the same thought as Asmo that this was possibly a distancing technique of some sort since I think anyone that defends Jeff at this point either needs to have some REALLY good points or makes the scummiest looking play yet thits game. I'm still warming up to the game, I feel like man I need to have some original thoughts and then I don't post original thoughts. It's like you don't realize the connections your making consciously enough to think, Oh I should post that. So take that for what you will, hopefully other newbs can relate to that feeling. I didn't get a scum vibe from Asmo's point and I think ketchup makes a good point that the motivation behind posting that is more town than scum. | ||
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On October 16 2014 02:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Also, Mordek I've noticed you have never really proofed anything. I went through your filter and every other post it seems like you're talking about "a gut feeling" or a "town vibe" from people. You need to have some more original thoughts, because pretty soon you're going to be on the lurker spotlight. Actually this is really suspicious and I want to get more out of you, because you've done nothing but trying to stay politically correct from the backlines, so consider this a caution vote to get your attention ##Vote: Mordek Hi Ghandi thanks. It seems you've picked someone else to see if maybe that will get something started since, once again, the pressure's on you. I know I'm town so I'm currently going through to see who thought I was a good scum target as they are most likely scum. I'm kinda curious why you're the first person to press the issue since honestly, my posting looks lurker-scum. @owb I haven't been able to pick up on any slips so while it's hard to be super confident it's not like I've been politician-y about things. I stuck with my feelings on LT (which iirc where well spoken by alaric in an earlier post D1) and I was wrong. Ok, those things happen. I had a feeling on Soniv but I've repeatedly said him and ghandi were my #1 reads. I could go either way. | ||
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On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote: Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader. I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? First thought: I read the guide, it's all about open atmosphere and I recognize you do that, not sure why people like Req and Ketchup are getting on your case. Second thought: If you lead us to a mislynch as scum you're probably going to get caught for it. Third thought: I voice my initial concerns with LT and I stick with that the rest of the day. He doesn't convince me otherwise. I hindsight and better understanding of the game, the call to get off moonbear makes sense. Good thing scum shot the guy I wanted to lynch...................................................................... On October 12 2014 05:03 mordek wrote: Ok I may have posted too hastily. If Cixah is another role that we should be worried about as town, he'd only have one night to do whatever it is because he wouldn't be able to confirm the next day. I can't imagine this being worth the risk over just trying to talk people out of voting for him. Honestly, I felt the need to prove myself to town. I thought I had valid points. AND THEN I WAS WRONG. So while this may be "politician-y" I made a confident assertion which was adequately refuted and thinking about voiced why my prior read did not make sense. So changing my mind after we get information is being a politician. On October 13 2014 05:21 mordek wrote: Look I'm fine if I've made a misread. However in one post I'm almost confirmed town and in your next post my style is newb mafia. You also managed to miss a post that quotes you twice? This is me trying out the "aha, it looks like a slip-up" post. It doesn't feel consistent to me and this was easy to spot and get my attention because it was directed at me. I like to think this was "original" but no one else cared so I dropped it. On October 13 2014 05:50 mordek wrote: Ok, so I see you posted this twice so I'll respond. This is D1, I've tried to push and poke a couple things and observe. I haven't seen any better argument for someone being scum. Honestly, point me to who you think is scum and why and I'll vote if it makes sense. I'm not changing my vote just because Wave unvoted either. On October 14 2014 03:12 mordek wrote: Wow epic fail on rewording that second sentence. "This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be." Period, no leftovers from the edited prior sentence. Wow that looks dumb lol. This is where I failed to edit, it looks silly, you even made a joke but I can understand you bringing it up to sway other people Wave. This was me justifying why I stuck with LT (who was killed by mafia.... as scum why would I keep my vote on him?) Honestly my thoughts D1 were MB didn't give me as scummy a vibe as everyone else seemed to have and there wasn't even a close second. At that point it just looks like I hop on a wagon so I stuck with LT. I think I made the right call there to stick it out but I'm sure I'll find out. A lot of your posting just doesn't look great at all. Gives me bad feels. There's my thoughts behind all the posts I made. Just point out what about what I said had scum motivation instead of just quoting a bunch of my filter. | ||
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Coma has been really absent since soniv and ghandi have become the main focus. | ||
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##Vote Alzadar I'm shaking my head, "I'm looking at you 6uh". Doh. I'm now a lot more aware of what needs to happen in this game. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:31 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I've been laughing hard for the last 80 minutes of this game. Good fun all around. Honestly highlight of the game so far. We should have done this D1. | ||
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@Jeff but if you're an important blue you also don't stick your head out there either... Coma? | ||
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It's too close this train needs to start heading in a different direction. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:50 ketchup wrote: How can he be medic? Mod said 1 factional KP. That's not including the other powers they may have. In this game set up, there are only two others with factional KP. Either Scum vigi or scum poisoner. He is saying Scum hit Tolkien AND Wave on the first day?? They killed LT not Wave. All Alz is saying is he thought Wave gets a message he was protected by himself. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:51 mordek wrote: They killed LT not Wave. All Alz is saying is he thought Wave gets a message he was protected by himself. Hmm ok I see what you're saying but... hmm. | ||
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On October 16 2014 09:03 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Why the hell didn't Coma reveal as 3P? He coulda worked with townerino. Chances are pretty high he's afk XD | ||
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My town list: Cixah Soniv Alzadar Me Req Leaving owb, Asmo, Wave, Alaric. I mean Wave was in my town but I'll have to re-read Req's points. | ||
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On October 16 2014 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Like what WAS with all the greenfont shit? And why does he feel the need to point out the extremely obvious, that there is a bus going on (unless both soniv/Jeff are town and the scum are in the rest of lurk city, or we've been massively fooled by, say, himself or ketchup). I think a lot of us have actually let Alaric skate by on early towncred without looking into him in a long time. Either that or the quiet is making me paranoid. I hate being in charge of lynches. Good practice though. Any thoughts on this post? I feel like the points raised are still pertinent. | ||
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Hi I'm your friendly drugstore pharmacist aka the Town Poisoner I'll inform you that I decided with the delayed kill I needed to act N1. Ghandi and Soniv were my highest scum reads as I've stated multiple times. So I poisoned Soniv because I figured Jeff was a very likely target D2. We might get a double scum flip :O Obviously it turns out to be a terrible read. I used my antidote on soniv in the off chance he would live otherwise. I'm posting from my phone but just look at my night posts. Anyways I figure now is the time to get town consolidated because there's no one left to shield anymore and I've used both vials. | ||
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Req: D1 displays some ignorance of game setup and hosting. (possibly because he got VT which he later indirectly claims) There's also a definite display of frustration from lack of knowledge (could be scum plan but also how I felt) He did have an early scum read on OWB which is the only confirmed mafia we know yet He voted Wave (anger?) then LT (same reasons I had for voting LT) He was against the MB vote, wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. This would be odd for scum to do unless they felt very sure there was no dissuading the MB train. In my view MB train definitely had a chance of not happening ***Asmo argues with Req on his MB read (Asmo did state MB was in his top 2 at this time) On October 13 2014 07:35 Requizen wrote: I dunno, I think that was just him trying to spark discussion in his own, crazy, british way. Tryhard (though silly) posts != scum Req brings up his OWB scum read again (I missed the filter read on me somehow , you're very generous Req but I appreciate your read on me) Req's filter check series section on Asmo concludes he's Green He brings up that Wave had omitted OWB from his list post: Req's notable triad does not include OWB or Asmo but does include the thread's two 2 candidates and Wave (obv) Req did agree OWB would be a good target for parity check (meaningless as scum would know they can kill Soniv) Asmo: Makes VT claim after called out for LURKERCITYSCUMBOYS status Two initial reads are Alz + MB (one confirmed and one presumably) Asmo does think Alaric + Req are town (D1 reads but worth noting) Asmo wants OWB to "die lurker die" (D1 and such an easy accusation to make since that can be rectified by owb activity) Asmo compliments Alaric's towniness on multiple occasions, comparing others to Alaric Top 3 reads were all town initially (so were mine lol) Rides soniv pretty hard D2 but does mention OWB seems scummy. Concluding thoughts (feelings): Reading Req's filter gave me strong town vibes. Reading Asmo's gives me mild town vibes, the main reason being a couple mentions of owb when I don't think many had made any strong arguments against owb up to this point. There doesn't seem to be any apparent connection between Req and Asmo. | ||
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@Alz Ok, I had trouble following you but I think I got it. There casual and indirect defense of one another would point you to scum in cahoots? Req may have convinced me of his town status (he was my first filter read) so I may have missed that and so put that connection to both town instead of both scum. I think you make a valid point. I rushed Asmo's a little bit (I was very aware of the amount of time I was taking to do this at that point lol) and yeah I missed the pretty frequent offhand mentions that didn't seem noteworthy but I guess that's Mafia :\ | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:46 Requizen wrote: Despite the lack of proof, for some reason I find mordek's claim really easy to swallow. I don't know if that's bad or if other people get the same feeling. It's hard to prove when the guy you poisoned was shot and you used the antidote on him. It was that or use it on someone random and even then, no one is notified I don't think. I can only point to how it's consistent with my votes and reads and once I realized I wasn't going to be able to say "Hey, guys I'm the one who killed Soniv" I went into breadcrumb mode (inspired by jcarl) because I wasn't sure if I needed to shield anyone else. | ||
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) but yeah, I think there's enough there that just doesn't have scum motivation. | ||
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That leaves me (Town Poisoner who can't provide any more proof, as far as I know) Alaric and Req. Req is on the chopping block and Alaric picks on me who admittedly is the easiest target out of Alz/Wave/Ghandi (I just changed my mind on Jeff). Req makes it clear "He's willing to switch to scum" but votes on Wave, consistent with his MO all game. So if Alaric is able to convince anyone else it's possible I get lynched here instead of Req. | ||
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On October 22 2014 00:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I know, right? Isn't it crazy when someone says that? In all fairness I took a gamble poisoning Soniv and when I put out feelers for everyone else's thoughts everybody was on the Ghandi/Soniv train. I guess that looks scummy to try to make sure you're part of a wagon, "hiding in the crowd" but I honestly didn't want to poison a town person if people or Soniv made a good enough case. It's super unfortunate we started the Alz train right after the Soniv reveal :/ | ||
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On October 22 2014 00:32 mordek wrote: Wow, is it really Req and Alaric? On October 22 2014 00:35 mordek wrote: Alz is pretty confirmed. Wave could be masterminding us all but I've been pretty sold on his towniness all game. I just went through Ghandi's filter and I can't see the scum motivation behind is posts and play. That leaves me (Town Poisoner who can't provide any more proof, as far as I know) Alaric and Req. Req is on the chopping block and Alaric picks on me who admittedly is the easiest target out of Alz/Wave/Ghandi (I just changed my mind on Jeff). Req makes it clear "He's willing to switch to scum" but votes on Wave, consistent with his MO all game. So if Alaric is able to convince anyone else it's possible I get lynched here instead of Req. On October 22 2014 00:54 Alaric wrote: Ugh... I guess another way to look at it is who we think are the two remaining scums. So far Wave seems set on Req and... we don't know. I think mordek and Requizen (less so Requizen because fucking dynamic with Wave). Requizen thinks Wave and Ghandi. Mordek doesn't know. Ghandi thinks Req (thinks Req has a point on Wave, but since he's town and Req accuses him that makes him less likely). Alzadar thinks Req for the same reasons (Ghandi townie, so Req accusing him is scummy). Hmm ok.... Yeah you're right, no one thinks it's you Alaric. | ||
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On October 22 2014 09:34 Lord Tolkien wrote: Yes. As soon as i saw the poisoner claim i knew 100% you were faking out your ass. Between living over soniv and that, lel Ugh, I was hoping someone would correct me when I said there must be three blue roles. I claim ignorance of mafia stuff like the medic not dying. I did try to get Alaric so there's that. But I suck. Well done. | ||
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