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Seems fun enough, and I don't think I'll survive long. That edit rule will probably get me mod killed since I have this habit of using the edit button too much. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:53 WaveofShadow wrote: If I'm the one hiding back the game from starting earlier then we can start, but I figure my activity will be nowhere near what it would be if we started after. Well, it's not really about when we start as it is if we get enough players to start. I don't think we have enough yet to get a decent game going. It might take enough time for it to fill up that it'll work out in everyone's favor. | ||
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"I can't mod kill you, so I'm going to make sure you will never have fun in this game" is the definition of that role | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:32 jcarlsoniv wrote: I mean, Wave is a high priority target for either team, so I don't think it would be auto win for his team. Also, I played mafia for a good ~year before wave started playing, so don't count me out =P Although I'm fairly certain wave was better than I was in our respective "primes". Basically, if the veterans aren't dead by the second day/night, you can be sure at least one of them is Mafia. I got this game solved already. gg yo | ||
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On October 10 2014 03:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: but looks like the scum won't have to worry cuz he'll be modkilled for edits =P Please dude, I can't help it with my editing! Please don't make me double post | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: People have different styles and preferences. Early D1 is awkward to start, so it's always just general bullshit. Some people like to participate, others like to let it settle and join in on real discussion afterwards. The whole time you should be trying to look for anything that might be shady (and it's a learning experience to figure out what that actually means), and see what you can do to further your assumptions, speculations, knowledge, etc. Pretty sure Alaric is just playing you. He talked about how much he plays mafia in real life, and he probably knows how day 1 works fairly well. I vote for him to by lynch target #1! Even real life games have fairly random accusations, but I do agree it might be easier with body language tells for people who seem overly nervous | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote: What about the colour coding makes me suspicious, o delicious condiment? It's too try hard sir! I didn't expect that from you, nor do I think it was completely innocent in it's intention. QQ The Alzadar posts so far are actually the most suspicious because it doesn't really help townies at all while pretending to give out information. The games played especially means nothing despite the effort put in to make it seem that way. | ||
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I disagree with that completely. If you think Alzadar was WIFOM with his post about veteran players, then you should agree with me in regards to what he has done. He hasn't brought up relevant information about the game played, and is instead looking at out of game situations that don't really have anything to do with the game itself. Can you at least agree that what he did doesn't help town? On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Elaborate on this, please. You seem to think that 'trying' is inherently scummy and I'm not following. As for your expectations and my intentions, how would you have any idea of either when you haven't played with me before? This is boring so far. I'm bored. Why aren't people voting for scum? In actuality, I don't think your post actually did anything. The fact that you want to early vote ghandieagle is also really really odd. Why should I have to have played previously with you to know your intentions? It makes no sense. I look at what I'm seeing right now, and make a decision from there. I really dislike your spoiler too as it is written as if it is outside of the game, but everything posted is IN game. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote: It shouldn't. Sonib what make you of the yung ketchup and his seeming absolute refusal to take any real stance whatsoever? What makes you think I have no real stance? I am just testing the waters, and seeing who responds in what way. I find that much more interesting than pretending that color coding anything helps anyone in game  | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:48 Alzadar wrote: That's what I'm asking, are there any kind of useful deductions we can make at this point? p.s. Ghandi, decide if you want Blue or White as your champion. League will decide my vote! Same goes for Wave, first post gets first pick!  You have to make deductions from post interactions, because making it from out of game information is rarely helpful or relevant to the game. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:00 jcarlsoniv wrote: ^ this basically would have been my response to wave Idk about you wave, but back in my day, we didn't just know who scum were right off the bat. We had to work at it, poke around, dig through trash to figure it out. In all seriousness though, I'm with ketchup on Alzadar's posting. Going so far as to let a league game decide his side? Jeff - why is Wave scum? Wave - why is Jeff scum? ketchup - do you think Wave's color coding is actually scummy? Or are you just calling it distracting to nitpick? I don't think it's nitpicking. I think it was not something I imagined Wave doing as the first post after game started so I naturally am cautious around it. I admit I have not played with Wave, but I feel that post is 100% questionable, and should be pointed out. This is especially compounded by the fact that it was also a really quick vote on someone. So, I called him out on it. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: Don't let the fact that he did something unexpected color your judgement - posting in a mafia game is completely different. Let what he says color your opinion. @Cixah - trying to decide if wave is just being aggressive townie or taking advantage of the lesser experienced crowd to make a bold play. I'm feeling the former is probably correct - he can be a bloodhound when he wants to. It's not like I already made a decision on him being scum or not. As I mentioned earlier, it was all to see how people react, and how they would respond back to me. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Bold play plz. I've asked ketchup this multiple times and he hasn't answered my latest post towards him but I like that you actually had some input on what you think my intentions are. Big ol' townpoints for you. I did respond to it... | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:42 WaveofShadow wrote: You responded to this? I was pretty sure I responded to these with my answers to jcarlsoniv, but I will answer it again. Do I think Alzadar is scummy? I don't know because it is the first day. He is definitely more suspicious than the other people posting so far. Of course, I was trying to give him the benefit of doubt with my post because he has never played mafia before. I'm not 100% on him being scum, I just really dislike his posts so far. Why are you trying to argue with me over a point we both know is true. His posts are not/were not helpful. Seeing how many games the participants in this game have played previously is not helpful for town. How else should I address that point? I wanted to see how Alzadar would respond to it, but he really hasn't given me anything. Do I think your first post was scummy? I don't know, but I do lean towards it being suspicious. So I called you out on it. I don't think it was the worst post ever or anything, but it wasn't great for me. I didn't gain any information from it, and it could have potentially confused people more than anything else. Again, the early voting is odd because it doesn't help you gain any information from anyone in the game. I've already mentioned some of this in my interaction with soniv. So, some questions of my own: What makes you so sure GhandiEagle is scum that you voted him that early? What do you think of Alzadar's posts? | ||
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On October 11 2014 18:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote: oh so we decided on one person to vote guilty/inno, I don't just instantly die. kk So usually people want to know. Who do you think is scummy so far? What is your vote on Wave about? Is it only because he voted on you first? | ||
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I don't have much in terms of town reads, because I don't think there are too much substantial posts in my views. No one has come out and tried hard to play as townie. So my reads always have suspicion involved on everyone but myself. Playing paranoid probably won't work well for me QQ. Wave is trying to lead discussion, but I don't really like it. I think Wave leans townie barely, but I think some of his posts confuse people more than they help. There's a lot of parroting by Cixah/Alaric, but I don't really think it did anything. Wave "defends" himself mostly by deflecting, but it's not as if anyone has made a good case anyways. At least it is putting effort into the game which is still more townie than the people who haven't been active. Requizen asking for which roles have been declared is pretty scummy. People don't ask for declared roles in a game where you can filter posts and find it yourself. He has actually posted quite throughout the game, so he must be reading. I don't like the post, and in fact, I will vote for him. ##Vote Requizen I want to see more from Requizen, OWB, Asmo, Moonbear, and LordTolkien. What are your town/scum reads? | ||
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##Vote Requizen Again, I want to see more from Req,owb,Asmo,moonbear, and lordtolkien | ||
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On October 12 2014 03:48 Requizen wrote: Why is asking for roles scummy? Maybe people are more truthful than you'd like to believe. Voting at this stage seems dumb. No one has said anything to out themselves in any real way, other than the really long posts which make me think they're too tryhard to be Town. But I've never played TL mafia so what do I know. Is that a real question? The only ones who would actually want to know what roles are this early is scum. There is no reason for anyone that is pro-town to declare their role. Asking for roles doesn't have anything to do with honesty or not. Also, for someone who actively participated in quite a few pages since the games started, you are pretending that you don't know who is declared as what. The only thing the post achieves is it gives you excuses to pretend that "you weren't paying attention" or something similar like that. There's also the fact that you don't declare anything yourself despite asking other people to do the same. I don't see that post as anything but scummy. So again, I'm asking you. If you had to make a decision right now, who do you see as scummy and who do you see as town? If nothing changes, I'm 100% voting on you because your post gives me a lot of red flags. | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:14 MoonBear wrote: snip so I dont repost it on the same page I have a real problem with this post. Mostly, I think there's a lot of parroting and bandwagoning on in regards to Wave who isn't really even the biggest scum read for me. You talk about logic, and then pretend that dandel ion would specifically pick Wave to be mafia/a role just because of his veteran status. That cannot be true at all. The roles are all randomized. We all know this. There is no fudging in between. I have serious problems with that | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:20 Requizen wrote: I asked because I skipped a handful of posts per page and skimmed the rest. As I said, my play time is limited D1 and N1 and my reading time is low, so I genuinely don't know. As to people thinking I'm scum because my posts are stupid, you're going to feel awfully silly when you realize I'm just Vanilla and have no clue how to play the game. But hey, if noob = scum then you got me. That's exactly the bullshit excuse I was expecting from a scummy player. It's not difficult to pretend not to have been reading anything despite the fact that you have been actively posting since the first page the game has started. Again, what is your point for asking for roles? The only motivation I can see behind it is fairly scummy. I'm keeping my vote on you until you prove that you will actually help town win. Who do you see as town and who do you see as scum? | ||
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Moonbear's post was fairly terror. I hoped he would provide more. So moonbear, who are your top scum now that you know this game isn't rigged? There's no way only one person is scum to you right now right? Requizen, I'll keep asking until you answer. Who are scum and who are town for you? | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:46 Alzadar wrote: Bandwagon? I was the first to suspect Cixah, decided to actually vote cause Wave seems antsy to have us vote, and I trust him as our fearless Townie leader. Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power. That is actually true. My mistake! | ||
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On October 12 2014 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Claiming VT isn't a noob move per se, but it is obviously incredibly useless. I do it all the time in TL mafia games. I thought it was pretty obvious I did it for fun but people keep proving me wrong. I saw it as a fun post, but I'll still definitely question you on it. I don't see why you would be irritated at that since this IS mafia, and that SHOULD have been the expected response. I found it as a fun post that I didn't like because it didn't help town from my prespective. I also enjoyed putting pressure on you about it because at the time I didn't think it came from someone who wanted to help town. The fact that other people have parroted this though makes me think you are more likely town. It also helps that you are trying to find more information from various people even if you are trying hard to put yourself on team soniv --- Similarly, I really wanted to put pressure on Requizen so I voted on him. I don't like his posts so far, and I really don't enjoy when people say things like "i was skimming posts" and then pretending that he is too "newb" to be scum. I'm fairly certain everyone has a general gist of what this game is about, and it bothers me when people pretend they were not "paying attention" so they are free to ask scummy things. I don't see how people already put in him in their town list already. He is still scummy since he still doesn't give substance to many of his posts. I will keep my vote on Requizen until he gives more information in his posts or someone points out exactly why he is a bad vote. He could defend himself, but other people are defending him, which is weird. For example, both Alaric and Asmo have said they don't trust him, but don't want to see him die day 1. Why not? | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote: My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia? Can you give any other people if we exclude Wave from the list please? Who else seems scummy to you so far? | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: And who is on 'team soniv' exactly? Soniv can be on my 'team' since everything he said upon his return echoed earlier thoughts of mine. Whose team are you on? As for req it's a difficult situation because I've seen scum play this way and try to play up the fact that they're new and they can get away with it, but you also must consider the fact that everything req has posted so far could very well be genuine. I don't know. I am not part of any team, and just playing my own way to help. | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Don't know which I don't like more. MB's blatant persistence in being unapologetic for his misgivings this game, or Req throwing them in our face. I guess if you're new there really is no way around it. This post seems a little silly since 'quantity of reads' isn't the issue we have with MB to begin with. I don't think so. I'm just asking for him to give town more to work with. He can focus on you, or he can forget you for a few minutes. I don't really want to focus on you anymore, because you have had a lot of attention going your way. I wanted to see if he had any other people. Do you really want everything to be about you today as well? | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Obviously not and Ive stated so, but adding more useless reads to his list of the previous three does me no good. And on that note did you even read his post? He himself said he doesn't want to focus on me. I don't understand. Why can't I ask him to actually give those reads since he didn't actually give them. I'm confused on what your problem is with that? | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: care to explain? Nope! | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Unless by this you just meant the original three he didn't discuss much. Yes, I wanted more information from him about anything else. Doesn't matter what or who. I thought it would be nice to have. I just wanted to see him post more because I disliked his post on you a lot. | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:51 AsmodeusXI wrote: So be it. ketchup, why soniv? Don't be shy now. Just playing around a bit in all honestly, and again I wanted to see how he would react. It was a simple trick, but he was very calm and rational. | ||
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On October 12 2014 09:34 ComaDose wrote: like wouldn't making baseless accusations be more scummy? i dont know becuase im new Well, it's day 1 so it's not like anyone else will be making the most 100% spot-on accusations. Mostly, you have to go by player interaction, player activity, and stuff like that. Some people may give you bad vibes, and there's nothing wrong with that. Usually, you can ask this person(s) to clarify things they have said. Basically, you are attempting to get as much information as you can. Who do you think is scummy in this game, and why are they that way to you? ##unvote jcarlsoniv | ||
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The biggest issue I still have is that Wave seems like he really wants to control this game, and despite his efforts, it hasn't actually gotten us any closer to finding a real day 1 scummy player. Again, he has flip flopped multiple times on his top scum. He has also complained about multiple people not voting, but he has not actually voted for any of these guys. It is as if he is waiting for others to lead the charge so he can vote on them, and declare himself the best player ever. I also dislike the interaction between Wave and Req when talking about LordTolkien. To me, it encompasses everything wrong with how Wave is playing this game. It was a lot of bread crumbing/hand holding from Wave to get Requizen to where he wanted him. If he is just playing a teacher town role, then it sucks. If Req had explained himself without that hand holding from Wave, we'd have much better reads. Day 1 lynch on Wave is impossible I think, but I hope people don't just follow him blindly just because he has taken this teacher type role in the game. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:12 ComaDose wrote: ugh hmmm im not sure what to do. ##vote GhandiEAGLE sorry jeff So, ##Vote ComaDose | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I should also mention this is pretty fucking terrible. You make a joke of my post about you trying to leading town, then make posts like these. Let me vote how I want because you aren't doing anything for me with your posts. In fact, they serve to confuse town still more than help. ComaDose should be looked at more than owb. owb at least has said he has been busy, and voted no lynch. Comadose pretends to be confused, and still hops on ghandieagle bandwagon(which you started). | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm just serving to confuse people? Please, indicate me as to where I led the town astray, I beg of you. I don't think either coma or owb should be looked at today because there's nothing to look at. If we have a vig then they can get shot tonight. We don't learn anything by lynching either. You don't think your hand holding of Requizen regarding tolkien was not leading him to a conclusion you drew out? Go read that exchange again. It's not like I think you are 100% scum, but your play sucks to help town. You attack more people than anything in your interaction with people. You are wishywashy with your reads which is excusable considering it is day 1, but then you attack people for the same things you are doing. A big one being the lack of voting, which you waited until the last day to do(aside from your initial ghandieagle sucky non-vote first post). You are DEFINITELY playing a game where you want to push votes. Lastly, I have repeated this multiple times. Your posts don't help town. They help to confuse town. In the last few pages, you jump from moonbear to tolkien, and back to ghandieagle. Over and over again. I honestly think comadose lynch would help town more than either moonbear,tolkien or ghandieagle at this point. If I could get enough votes, I'd even vote for you. It's just that too many people think you are good knowledge for being a "vet" which sucks. On October 12 2014 22:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Yay req! Alright let's go a little further. You think Tolkien is protecting someone? Who do you think he is protecting specifically? I can tell you that often mafia team members will actively try to distance themselves from any teammates in thread rather than protect them outright for fear of being connected, if one of them flips. This post is an exact example of your town teacher role you are trying to create. | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:43 Alzadar wrote: Why is it better to shoot a lurker in the night than to lynch them? It's not. | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not getting into a long drawn out argument with you over this, so this post will be the last on the subject. No, I was not leading him to a specific conclusion, I was pushing him to think critically when he already shown signs of started doing so. You know, good town play. Yes I can be aggressive at times, welcome to mafia. 'Wishy-washy' is probably one of the terms that I HATE the most when people throw it around. You would prefer I pick a read and stick to it like glue over the course of a day? Rather than constantly be updating reads and evaluating as the day progresses? Which do you think shows a more towny mindset, ketchup? I'm sorry if you don't like my play ketchup, but I don't think it's doing what you say it's doing---if you find it's confusing then you yourself can ignore what I have to say (and I can see you currently are) but shitting on my play and causing this argument is doing more for scum than town right now---if people listen to you by discrediting me then you are removing a strong and most importantly ACTIVE town voice which is extremely troublesome. I don't plan on changing the way I play the game, and I don't see any problems with what I am doing at all. That's all I have to say on the matter. If you think I'm scum, go ahead and vote for me. If not, then drop it and quit shitting up the atmosphere. You asked me why I think you are confusing people, and I gave it to you. You asked me why I think you are trying to control town. Mostly, you started it this little back and forth. If you can't handle the information I'm giving you, don't ask for it. Don't blame me for "shitting up the atmosphere" when you ask me directly why I think the way I do. I gave you your answers, so stop pretending to be emotional about it. Also, despite you pretending otherwise, you do have a lot of sway in this game. This is something you naturally have since you are a veteran player. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote: What I cant be watching a Seahawks game? Geez tough crowd I'll talk more when it's over Pretty sure you could do both especially considering that there is quite a bit of down time in between plays. I'm watching Worlds while reading this thread. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:17 WaveofShadow wrote: This only makes sense if you assume we're not lynching scum today or MB is town. If moonbear is a no show, is that scum play? Are you serious? | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:21 Lord Tolkien wrote: Thats not an RNG vote lol. An RNG vote is to randomly select someone. BH isn't answering me however so that's off the table. You wanted it between moonbear and ghandieagle right? That was RNG vote. On October 13 2014 07:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: Although if MB truly isn't around, that could just be scum submitting to the fact that he'll be modkilled anyway. Yeah okay. You keep thinking that. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:26 Lord Tolkien wrote: And not lynching is so damned bad. Id rather bet on the chance of hitting scum than a no-lynch. I never said no lynch. I said vote moonbear if he doesn't show up. The more you argue against this, the more I feel you are scummy as shit. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:27 mordek wrote: However we don't really gain anything from the voting record this way. We gain night actions, and information. You really want to give mafia two kills on day 1 if moonbear is a no show? We end up voting on some other rando, and now we have given mafia two kills on DAY 1. What are your percentages that you think you will get a scum vote on day 1? | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Talk of modkilling stops here. It is extremely unproductive. MB is not going to be modkilled. We are going to talk about which scum we are going to lynch today. I feel a lot better about my vote on Jeff right now---I didn't really consider his taunting me earlier particularly scummy because that's a tactic I've only ever see more experienced scum use but I feel it's possible. The fact that he's leaving his explanations/defenses until right at the end of the day to force a scramble for majority is pretty anti-town as well. He has also shown he doesn't give any fucks about this game at all so I can think of no good reason to keep him around, even if he is town. Would you want Jeff in a 3-man LYLO? Vote accordingly, people. You aren't a mod, stop trying to dictate how this game goes. Until a mod comes out and tells me this isn't allowed, I will definitely keep posting about it. The mod kill discussion was 100% legit because of this random ass move to jump on the ghandieagle bandwagon started by you, and followed by Tolkien. On October 13 2014 07:34 MoonBear wrote: I've been busy zzz. Just because I write like Bill Gross doesn't make me scum. Focus on the people trying to be disruptive instead. Read into what people are doing and not people write on D1 imo since there's so little to read into anyway. You guys are getting so twitchy about each shadow in the forest as if there are ghosts as you drive through and ignoring the wolf howls right outside. ##Vote: GhandiEAGLE This moonbear jump on ghandieagle bandwagon is hilarious. ##Vote: MoonBear | ||
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You haven't responded all day today, and you expect me to believe you when you randomly join in to vote ghandieagle AFTER there was already effort put in by tolkien and wave to get jeff lynched? Yea okay dude. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:44 MoonBear wrote: Y'all m'fk'ers act like they forgot about Who cares if you mentioned ghandi before? You haven't given me enough to justify the vote RIGHT NOW. What is making you vote on ghandieagle? The only thing I see is that you jumped on the ghandi bandwagon because it's rolling really strong! | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:47 Lord Tolkien wrote: I kind of want to lynch ketchup for continuing to instigate the whole "o my god don't listen to them they're vets, MANIPULATION" line of thought. Go ahead dude. Feel free to do it. | ||
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On October 13 2014 07:45 ketchup wrote: Who cares if you mentioned ghandi before? You haven't given me enough to justify the vote RIGHT NOW. What is making you vote on ghandieagle? The only thing I see is that you jumped on the ghandi bandwagon because it's rolling really strong! So I'm still waiting for moonbear to come up with his reasons on why he chooses to jump on ghandieagle this late. I hope he didn't post once, and then went away. What disqualified the other two people you spoke about? What happened with tolkien and Alzadar that made you change your mind? | ||
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On October 13 2014 08:43 WaveofShadow wrote: This was my logic on Jeff and you pushed against it like crazy. Do you see what Soniv just said? He knows MB will flip green (and I have a suspicion it will be more than that) and is still comfortable with it, WITHOUT offering reasons like you just did. He sat back all day while we were trying to figure things out and let the wagons progress like they did. I think soniv could actually be scum but I doubt we get the numbers to do him today. Right now I feel ok about Asmo, more so than MB. I agree that I don't like soniv's interaction this last day. I also didn't like his interaction earlier when the mod kill topic came up. Then again, you were very against discussing it too, so it's not like everyone is going to agree with each other over everything. | ||
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On October 13 2014 08:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Well at the very least he won't have the excuse on D2 that 'we can't have any useful discussion.' The problem is, if he is as town as you say, we still wouldn't be able to vote on him day 2 even if he plays badly. It's just better to get rid of him since he pinged a lot of people's radar on being suspicious, and he generally takes attention away from what you consider more scummy persons. This question of moonbear "is he or isnt he" will just keep popping up. | ||
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On October 13 2014 08:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Ketchup how about this: you can dictate the switch target if you don't trust me. I refuse. I will keep my vote on moonbear because i see him as an obstacle for town even if he is townie. | ||
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On October 13 2014 08:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Or he has no idea you're supposed to claim. Then just like he did before, he would ask in PM to the mod or in game. I don't see a reason if he was blue that he wouldn't PM the mod or try to save himself properly. | ||
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On October 13 2014 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote: How is that an excuse OR a justification? I just said I 'd gladly be wrong because it would mean that we lynch scum. Remember how I DIDNT think he was scum? Let's be fair, in a game of information, scum have more. This isn't a point in your favor. Just because you think he isn't scum doesn't make you any less scum. Even I could have removed my vote, but I didn't because last minute vote changes are not a good thing as town imo. Moonbear was unhelpful, and took a lot of the day 1 attention. If he kept playing like that, there's no way he would help day 2 and onwards. It's not something I want to see as town. I have my reservations about soniv, but this post doesn't mean much to me in regards to your alignment. | ||
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On October 13 2014 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you serious? I'm not going to out a suspected blue early on if he's not going to do himself. Ketchup I get it already, you don't like me, you think I'm scum. This nitpicking of everything I do is getting tiresome. Let me know when you sit back and rethink your bias. I'm sorry that I try to analyze player moves, and try to wonder what motivation people have for making them. I'm sorry that you see this as "nitpicky" | ||
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On October 13 2014 10:08 onlywonderboy wrote: I'm in the process of catching up on the thread now. Making progress but not sure if I'm gonna have anything useful to post tonight. Although I don't really want to waste a lot of time coming up with a theory or read that might just invalidated with the night kill. Just depends on if anything really blatant stands out. It doesn't matter. Post what you have because you need to post for us to have information. I don't care if it is invalidated by night kills. | ||
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On October 13 2014 12:53 onlywonderboy wrote: Nothing really else of note. Seemed like a pretty standard Day 1 from the mafia games I played. A lot of name calling and people trying their name, people calling out lurkers, ect. Had I been caught up with the game by lynch time I would have gone ahead with Wave and switched my vote. How do you feel about tolkien? He has been active and fairly good to look into. What about Soniv? He has also made enough posts to get a feel for him I also agree with your view about Asmo's after lynch post. It felt very forced in an overly dramatic way. | ||
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On October 13 2014 13:35 Alzadar wrote: This is from a ways back but the thread exploded while I was at dinner: You guys were all discussing what to do if MB didn't show up, whether to lynch + modkill or just kill MB. Then MB came and voted, making the discussion moot. Wave says "stfu about that now, let's talk about relevant stuff", and then ketchup pulls this "nu-uh, you're not my mom" bullshit. There's nothing wrong with trying to refocus the thread back towards the impending vote once the modkill was no longer going to happen. This doesn't make me think ketchup is scum but it's definitely not helping us to jump down Wave's throat in an instance when his direction is obviously legitimate. If you noticed in the time line, I actually did drop anything related to moonbear being mod killed after I noticed he came back. You can check again if you don't think so. I then focused on trying to get moonbear to give me more information, but he didn't respond too much afterwards. I was hoping to get more information from him. To me, the situation was resolved since moonbear actually posted. I was sincerely afraid of a mod kill + day lynch since it was 1hr45min before the day end that I posted the scenario. It didn't help that there was a new vote train going on Ghandi at the time. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:34 onlywonderboy wrote: Seems a little odd you call out Alzadar for defending Wave when I've arguably been defending him much harder. Reread Alaric's filter. He is fairly townie. He draws his own conclusions, and it lines up real town to me. I actually think this is a point in Alaric's favor. Those two Alzadar posts were just weird for me because they weren't fairly null. They didn't bring anything up that wasn't already long past. They were also contradictory unless I misunderstood something. In the first post, he says Wave should be left alone, but then in his second, he tries to get Wave to react to him: On October 13 2014 13:35 Alzadar wrote: This is from a ways back but the thread exploded while I was at dinner: You guys were all discussing what to do if MB didn't show up, whether to lynch + modkill or just kill MB. Then MB came and voted, making the discussion moot. Wave says "stfu about that now, let's talk about relevant stuff", and then ketchup pulls this "nu-uh, you're not my mom" bullshit. There's nothing wrong with trying to refocus the thread back towards the impending vote once the modkill was no longer going to happen. This doesn't make me think ketchup is scum but it's definitely not helping us to jump down Wave's throat in an instance when his direction is obviously legitimate. On October 13 2014 14:03 Alzadar wrote: Also hardly well-trod when just last page Wave is still posting stuff like i.e. useful discussion being stifled, which is anti-town even if it's not intentional scum. The bigger issue here is that I agree with Wave that Alzadar is just "bumbly". I think he is trying to help, but doesn't actually point out things I want to see or hear from him. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think those were contradictory---I think Alz was saying it was anti-town that discussion was being stifled not, that I was the one doing it. He can clarify though. I think I did misunderstand but I would still like him to clarify himself there. I still think Alzadar is no where near trying to solve the game, and is just rarely, if at all, helpful for town. I wouldn't mind those posts he made if they were before the lynch, but it was way too late, and already things people said when it happened. I really want to hear from ComaDose today as well. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I am assuming at this point that we're dealing with 4 scum and a 3P (hopefully just survivor) but I have seen 4 scum and 3P with KP before, and that setup really sucks for us. Your turn, if we're putting our cards on the table. 14 player game is 4 scum??? Is that real? Can you explain please. This is a legit inquiry because I assumed 3 scum + 1 3P(with possible KP). | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/442512-survivor-series-mafia No 3P here I remembered one of my other scumgames wrong as well, thought it was 14 with 4 scum and 3P but it was 16. I could swear there was another one recently with 4scum + 3P but I could be wrong. Ok, so 4scum IS possible with 14. It is either 4 scum or 3 scum + 1 3P(with possible KP) | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote: Filter check: Alaric Feeling: Unknown/possible scum Posting Habits: Observation A good portion of Frenchie's posting is trying to encourage discussion, a lot of asking "name - what do you think of so-and-so?" This is not a bad thing, as encouraging discussion is good for the Town. However, there were relatively few posts with his own opinions. Perhaps he was just waiting for someone to ask him for them as he asks others, but it is worth noting. I give possible scum, since pointedly asking people to post/critique one another is a very simple and easy way to stir up trouble. Not a particularly clever way to cause town disruption, but one that is effective if left unchecked. Low scum reading, but not 0 at the moment. I really liked your posts so far today, but this one seems misguided. Alaric seems to draw his own conclusions and seems really likely town. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:22 WaveofShadow wrote: To be fair, Les was fairly scum favoured. We had a 2-shot vig on top of our nightly shot. Thanks for clearing it up. I think it's highly likely for 3scum + 1 3P right now, but I don't really want to speculate too strongly about it here. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:25 mordek wrote: Why are we talking about different games and numbers? This sounds like scum activity. It matters to me a lot because it means a lot to me to know what I am looking for. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:28 mordek wrote: We're looking for scum, where was the confusion? The difference between looking for 3 and 4 scum is a huge thing. I try to draw connections between players, and so the number matters. | ||
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Wave: I'm fairly sure I've made it known that I dislike his play style this game, and that it actually seems to hurt town sometimes. I have a strong suspicion about him that I cannot shake off despite how helpful he is being at times. Despite that, his line of thought and line of questioning actually lines up fairly well with mine. I can get behind questioning/pressuring Soniv and Asmo more. Again, I cannot shake off the strong suspicions so he is still here. Tolkien: I think he is not always forthcoming with his reasoning or reads, and just wants to stir stuff up. That might help him, but it doesn't help the rest of us. Of the three, I had him in scum list first, but have actually gone up and down with him. I think the biggest reason he is not scum is his carefree attitude. It's frustrating for me, but I think he just doesn't care too much if you can't follow him. Similar to Wave, he employs an attitude of "If you can't see why I'm right, then you are wrong, and I don't care for it". I feel like scum would be a lot less carefree? As in, I imagine it is really difficult to play like he is as a scummy role. Of course, I could easily be wrong because people are really versatile. Lastly, Soniv: I think of the three, he's actually hard to read. He went from being very active the first 24hours or so, to being fairly quiet from then on. It looked like he was lurking a bit, and his posts weren't so great despite Wave trying to pressure him to post. I think it's reasonable to be wary of Wave, but there was a huge shut down between soniv and Wave somewhere. I think soniv can be looked into as well. (To respond to Wave's post above: I don't think I am protecting him, but he was one of the very few people who saw what I was seeing in regards to Wave. I felt like this was him trying to pocket me. I guess it worked because for some reason Wave thinks I have defended soniv/ "have his back" which I don't think is true at all. In fact, I quick voted Soniv exactly for trying to pocket me(I didn't explain this at the time because I felt it would tell Soniv too much).) If you disagree with the above list, I do have some slightly less priority scum for you(which is to say, I don't think the more experienced players will die day 2 or be lynchable): Req: His 180 turn from day 1 to night 1 is confusing to me. I do think most of his write up posts from this night stage aren't that great. I think his Day 1 play where he pretended to be newbie is dangerous. The problem to me was the blue hunting newb play. To me that's a huge red flag no matter who does it. I will not forget it. I just don't understand the motivation for this especially when he seems so confident now in night 1. I also disagree with a lot of his reads. They make me feel like Req isn't genuine in his write ups. I don't see at all how Alaric fits a scummy profile, and I don't see Alaric making moves to push votes on people. Alaric gives his own reads and sticks to them. Honestly, I'm also unsure why he feels I am not town. I think I've been really straightforward at how I'm playing this game, and for him to try to seriously say I might be scummy is kinda backwards. On the other hand, he somehow sees Asmo leaning towards town? I don't get that. I added a lot more to this after seeing the newest posts. He seems to be defending Soniv, which to me is an association I dislike. Since I feel very strongly that one of the above three are scummy, and now Req defends one of them despite pretty good information from Wave. I think it's another minus for Req. I think the earlier "reads" were to try to get us to open up to him, so his defense of his partners looks cleaner, but it still looks dirty to me. Similar to Soniv, I think he jumped on the Wave bandwagon because of other reasons than actually believing it. Asmo: owb pointed out a good point here. The after lynch post was fairly over dramatic. I think most people in the game would have reacted with more like "yea, that really wasn't unexpected." Getting a day 1 scum lynch is really difficult, and I don't see any reason to over react. Mostly, I feel like the post was there just to be posted. He hasn't really spoken up too much yet. Comadose: Still hasn't done anything. I dislike his play so far as it is just afkmode or lurking. He doesn't give reads despite saying he will. Compare this to owb who gave town small new information that people hadn't pointed out yet. I feel much better with owb than coma even though both have had similar thread interactions. I have a feeling Coma will keep lurking because people aren't making enough of an issue about it. So again, I will ping out coma here. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:21 Alaric wrote: Also a point I forgot to mention when thinking about assertiveness, throwing votes around, and most notably the fact that Soniv accuses way all but in words: can we ##Vote during the Night or is that reserved for Day periods? There's no voting at night: On October 13 2014 09:01 Dandel Ion wrote: It is now Night 1. You have 24 hours to submit any nightactions you might have by PMing them to me. Y'all may talk normally in the thread during night, but there's no voting or stuff. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote: Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press? Are you asking who I would lynch between the two of you? I'd lynch one, and shoot the other. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:42 Alzadar wrote: That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it. Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff. If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air. Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote. Alzadar, a quick correction, Wave has actually been heavily on Ghandi for a long time. Since the start of the game actually. So tolkien and wave would be fairly cleared | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:57 Alzadar wrote: Are you sure? Go back and read Wave's posts. His opening post he votes Ghandhi yes, but it was basically just trolling (in the true sense) at that point, there was no argument behind it. He doesn't mention Jeff at all again until page 6 of his filter. Then close to the lynch deadline he wanted to save MoonBear, but he throws away his vote on Asmo instead of on the close candidate, Jeff, who he's apparently distrusted the whole time? Why? Don't ask me why, but Wave has been consistent about him really feeling nervous about how ghandieagle was playing throughout the game. As much as I dislike a lot of how Wave plays, he's consistent with his information. It might be that asmo's last post in the thread really sent him a red flag, but if you noticed Wave's post earlier, it has ghandi(aka Jeff) as a scum read still On October 14 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah so I just realized a quarter of the posts in this thread belong to me. At the risk of not much discussion occurring in my absence, I'm done until after deadline. You guys can keep it up. I bereave. In case I die, scumreads are Soniv Asmo Look into Coma/Alz/Jeff Null on owb but leaning town. Also on LT---LT SHOULD be town but lord has his posting been shit today. mordek/ketchup/Req/Cixah/Alaric Don't let anyone fall off the radar. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:57 Alzadar wrote: Are you sure? Go back and read Wave's posts. His opening post he votes Ghandhi yes, but it was basically just trolling (in the true sense) at that point, there was no argument behind it. He doesn't mention Jeff at all again until page 6 of his filter. Then close to the lynch deadline he wanted to save MoonBear, but he throws away his vote on Asmo instead of on the close candidate, Jeff, who he's apparently distrusted the whole time? Why? Ah I see what you are saying now that I've re-read this post. My fault! Maybe I've been reading this thread too long. | ||
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On October 14 2014 08:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote: apparently my timing is also unfortunately convenient given tolkien is just now getting antsy about my lurking. its legit coincidence. Get that post in fast since end of night is in 30 minutes. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:01 Lord Tolkien wrote: RIP RIP. I was actually looking forward to your posts today. QQQQQQQQQ | ||
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The LordTolkien kill seems odd to me. It doesn't seem like a great scum move. I don't see how this helps scum, but it could be likely they felt he was a blue role. Anyone want to help me? Also can we take the lack of more kills to mean that there was a medic save or something that stopped the scum from using their KP? I'm leaning towards that being the most likely case. I know people don't like this type of speculation, but I have to think about it/write it out. Despite my hesitations from earlier day 1, I really like Alzadar's last few posts. I feel like he is finally on the right track, and it's a town track. | ||
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On October 14 2014 11:37 Cixah wrote: 1) the scum do not have a role blocker. If they did, it is likely it would have been used on me in order to prevent the mod confirm from going out giving them a free mislynch on day 2. In the interest of having more information for town. I can tell you that I was role blocked night 1. So there is a role block power flying around out there. I'm unsure why they used it on me. From a town perspective, it doesn't make sense to use it on me. From a scum perspective, it probably does, but impossible to speculate properly. I mean it probably shouldn't be said, but just in case, I don't want to know who did it if it's town. --- I kind of don't like the Ghandi push. I didn't like it day 1, and I don't like it now. Aside from the first few trolly/one liner posts on Day 1, he hasn't actually hurt town. I might even had a part to play in him being taken off the bandwagon that was forming by wave+tolk on day 1. I don't think a potential ghandi + scum crew would kill tolkien after tolkien kept pinging out Ghandi repeatedly. It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure people can go into various scenarios, but it won't help anything. The only reason Tolkien wanted to lynch ghandi was to clear himself + wave(a lesser bit). Now that he is dead, there's very little reason to vote for Ghandi that will help town in the long run. If tolkien wasn't killed, I would have followed the ghandi wagon, but I don't see it how it helps us now. --- I still think Req is playing oddly. I have no idea why he voted on ComaDose. He never even pinged out ComaDose in those information posts he made. He did ping out Alaric as seeming scum, but he hasn't actually done anything about it. Req has yet to vote on someone he actually thinks is scum, and is happy to ride the bandwagons. Also I found this interaction between Req and tolk interesting: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2014 04:20 Lord Tolkien wrote: Touche. But that doesn't carry over into mafia. I find the evolution of your thread voice...interesting. It's not 100% anything, but it was interesting to me. I think tolk could have gotten behind my Req vote. This interaction was also more interesting than his interaction with Ghandi. I also found Req's reaction to tolkien showing up as town as bad as Asmo's earlier on: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2014 09:25 Requizen wrote: I am bad at reads. On October 14 2014 11:08 Requizen wrote: There are 11 of you left. There are at least 3, possibly 4 of you trying to kill me. And I have no idea which ones. --- Asmo hasn't talked since the night cycle. Well that's not true. He posted once, and then stopped. I was waiting for him to talk about Soniv with Wave, but he never did. I think I would like to see a lot more from Asmo. Asmo has yet to respond about his night post he made after the lynch was set even though multiple people have spoken about in this thread. Right now, I would vote Req or Asmo. --- Lastly, between Wave and Soniv, I feel like Wave tunnels and Soniv pockets people. Of the two, despite my posts, I find Wave to be more town orientated than Soniv. I find Wave has done multiple things to help town solve the game and occasionally, he lines up with what I'm thinking. Whereas Soniv has actually shut down quite a bit in this game, and is not really useful for town. I also find Soniv's pocketing to be a lot scarier than Wave's tunnel vision. I think a lot of Soniv's posts have been attempts to pocket people with him. It doesn't seem like town play the way he does it. I really think Soniv is a good vote as well. + Show Spoiler [pocket plays?] + On October 14 2014 07:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: Y'know, I come out of Alzadar's filter actually thinking he's more townie. There were some posts I remember that I thought were surely scum leaning, that register to me differently this time around. Example: First time around, the first part of the post seemed odd and sheepish to me - reflecting what I said earlier about him saying things to satisfy the thread. But before this post, he put Wave at probably town, and so this reads more as someone who is collaborating with someone he kinda sorta might trust a little bit. Also, the second part exemplifies another quality of his general posting. He's been talking about setup stuff here and there (a fair amount of it earlier on), and usually it's not very productive or helpful and often distracts town. But rereading, he asks coherent questions that apply to the game flow, they show that he's invested in the goings on and is paying attention (despite backwards canadiansgiving). His filter comes off with more of a town vibe than I expected it to. It did remind me of two things as well. 1. The IC claim was at a really weird time. That's right, I'm lookin' at you 6ah. I really hope that confirmation comes through or D2 is going to be very boring lol. 2. I want to take a look at Ket Chup. He's someone who I haven't really noticed even though I know he's been posting quite a bit. He will probably be my next focus. the mistress This parrots Alzadar and pockets him. On October 14 2014 10:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: Eh, if you were really aiming it at my head, you'd be aiming it at my head. You dropped that case quick, and you were so unbelievably excited. Meh, I don't mind looking bad if Jeff dies. We get to kill Jeff and mafiascum. He really easily pockets Wave here. Wave has kinda dropped his Soniv accusations for Ghandi. On October 12 2014 06:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yeah I'm not quite following either wave. Why would it be a problem to ask MB his reads - I would love to see him come to an actual conclusion as well. This has no context since soniv didn't quote my post, but I think he tried to pocket me, so I turned around and voted on him the first time. For context: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468739-tllolotgdtm?page=22#440 This might be just being friendly, but it could also be some weird interaction between the two. Either Soniv pocketing or Req/Soniv swagging on us if they are scum together. Just looking at the above, I think soniv is really good at getting people on his side or in his pocket(I'm sorry I picked up the word). The only reason I'm not there is because I've been suspicious of him since he tried it with me early on. I think it's worth to point this out about soniv. In fact, the current bandwagon on ComaDose started from Soniv, and unsurprisingly, the people who he has in his pocket voted alongside him within minutes of his initial post. I don't think this bandwagon on Coma serves any good purpose. One person on Coma was enough, but this quick 3 vote post is crazy. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2014 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: Jeff, actually the majority of your posts the entirety of D1/N1 boil down to this: "I think Wave is scum. But nobody is voting him so oh well I guess I'll vote someone else". There's some things about MB and why you put your vote where it is, some stuff about ketchup, but your first 72 hours of game is just bleh. This is a really shitty post. Keeping your cards close to your chest is ok, but you had done literally nothing up til that point. Even Req got his reads out there, albeit poorly - you hadn't contributed anything. That said, I'm not so convinced on you after rereading the filter. So for now ##unvote ##vote ComaDose On October 14 2014 10:59 Alzadar wrote: I actually like the Coma call better than Ghandhi. He's #1 lurker with less than a page filter and most of it is just vague questions. 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On October 14 2014 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright ketchup if you're telling the truth about your RB (just read your post) then you are either an EXTREMELY well-playing scum, 3P, or town. I'm not willing to believe the first of those options right now. Can you explain to me why you pushed back against a Jeff lynch so hard yesterday (and seemingly want to do so again)? It was pushed yesterday by both me (who you currently believe is town apparently) and LT who is confirmed. To start off. I have not lied this game yet, and I don't think you can say I'm lying now. I was role blocked night 1. I am NOT sure why. Secondly, It's not hard to see I push back on you day 1. I really don't enjoy your tunnel vision on day 1. You saw that then. I know that some people can spot scum from first impression scum, but I can't put my faith in it. I couldn't take the chance that you were somehow manipulating the votes in your favor if you were scum. I also want to say that this was also around the time that moonbear was very inactive, and I brought up the idea that moonbear could be modkilled. To me, I REALLLLLLLLLLLY didn't want to see two kills on day 1 for town. I think I've said this before, but when I posted the mod kill scenario, it was 1hr45min until day end. I still think I was justified in the post. As soon as moonbear responded, I felt he was not genuine, and will be very unhelpful for town so I voted him. I didn't want to see a moonbear that played that way, live on to see day 2 no matter what he was. His filter was 13 posts. I had no problem with the moonbear kill. Ghandi also responded then, and I felt he was fairly genuine. You also said that his response did kinda win you over. Today, I don't know if I see a world where ghandi + crew are brave enough to vote tolkien and somehow think they won't get backslash. Does Ghandi seem prepared to you to take backlash like scum should have been? I think a ghandi kill today does not help town. So yes, I can ##Vote: Soniv I just don't think it will gain traction. | ||
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You don't actually go after people you think are scum. What happened to Alaric? Is he still scum for you? HOW is he scum for you? HOW is asmo leaning town to you. He is lurking harder than Ghandi was day 1. He made ONE post during the night stage, and at least ghandi had an excuse(school). So, I see a lot of odd inconsistency with your play. Wave thinks you aren't scummy, but Tolk felt these odd inconsistency with your demeanor as well. What happened to noob Req who doesn't know anything about the game? What was your reason for playing Day 1 that way? You sure were really confident in the night stage, and now you are back to not knowing anything at all? You are somehow going to vote comadose who already had 2 votes on him? Please. Try harder. Try to push people you actually think are scum. Give me good reasons please. | ||
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On October 14 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Fair, but I think that needs to be dropped for now. We don't even know if we have poisoner yet (because lets be fair, if either of us is survivor then we're playing protown so it doesnt matter) and won't have any idea of that until we see the death count tomorrow night (and even then it could be iffy). Yep, which is why I didn't spend more sentences on it. Just clarifying that the 3p role exists. | ||
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On October 14 2014 14:19 Requizen wrote: Literally what are you talking about. I spent most of D1 talking about how Wave and LordT were my top picks. I may have said some others were wishy washy. Go into my filter, either you are misremembering or fearmongering. I spent the first part of D1 half paying attention and shitposting, and after people yelled at me for it I changed my attitude. My only big posts were after my 2 big picks. I voted for both of them. I never started a witch hunt on either Alaric, in fact I didn't say anything about him until N1. I had no reason to vote him. And even that Night post was unsure. I jumped on the Coma train because my confidence is shattered after my #1 turned up VT. I don't know how I can get this across to you any clearer. If I need to explain it again, you are clearly scum. I could understand why you would want to start pressure against me, but I don't know any reason why you would do it in such an incorrect, hamfisted manner unless you are scum that is trying to start yet another mislynch. If anyone needs to try harder, it's you. I never said you started a witch hunt on Alaric. BUT your post containing him did call him scummy. What makes him scummy? What did you see that was scummy? I'm telling you that despite your insistence that you are town, you haven't done anything. I wouldn't even mind if you talked about Alaric for 40 pages or analyzed every single one of his line of posts, because at least you'd be doing something. I felt this comadose train was really uninspired, and I called you out on it. lol okay dude. I need to try harder. Please. On October 14 2014 14:29 Requizen wrote: fyi ketchup, you made the scum list. Congrats. Coma still retains the vote until I'm sure who else I want to vote for. I could unvote, but I do wish to see how he will respond to the votes on him at the moment. I don't have any current intention to leave it up if I like his response. That said, it better be good, Coma. lmao feel free to do that dude. I think you are so off base with a lot of your information that it makes no sense for you stick to them like you are doing. Now actually, go do something with your supposed scum list. Coma has also responded in the earlier pages if you hadn't noticed. | ||
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On October 14 2014 14:55 Requizen wrote: This is my one and only single post about Alaric You can read it multiple times. This is all I've said about him. Why are you pushing me to dig into him more when I've already given my opinion on him and it hasn't changed? Why are you so hung up on it? I have said my piece, there is literally 0 reason for you to pressure me into attacking him when I said (as you can clearly read not two inches above this sentence) that I give him a low rating. Please tell me why this small post makes you so hung up on it when I have half a dozen of posts that are more or less identical about other people. I have tried to do things for the town. I share information, I respond to posts, I encourage discussion. If the only way to prove myself town is to magically pull all scum names from my hat with an essay detailing each in the next 5 minutes, I will continue to disappoint you. I don't know what more you want from me. ##unvote ##vote ketchup Maybe with this newly written information you will enjoy this vote better than the Coma bandwagon. Enjoy your night. I'll just leave this here: On October 14 2014 14:40 ketchup wrote: Interestingly enough, I have to re-evaluate you because you were on point with your Asmo read, and which is why I keep asking for more information on your Alaric read. --- On October 14 2014 14:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I'm gonna be pissed if scumteam is something I wouldn't consider like lurk city owb/coma/jeff This reminds me. Where is mordek? | ||
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On October 15 2014 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort. I really do like this post by Soniv. I think he could very well be mislynch. It shows town tendencies. It helps that Req is already someone I think isn't play sincerely. People are finally realizing that Req isn't playing normally. He is doing the bare amount of "reads". Those posts he made in night stage were really bad. ##Unvote Reading the last few pages of the thread since I went to sleep, I still have suspicions about Req. Soniv has actually pointed out a lot of the issues I have with Req's play this game. The bigger problem is the massive bandwagon on soniv that wasn't really there before. People are still pinging out GhandiEagle as well, but not voting for him. I feel people are jumping on the bandwagon easily. I like Soniv's defense of himself, because no one else is doing it. Alaric's case on Soniv sucks. It's really bad. Soniv is trying pretty hard to defend himself which says a lot to me: + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2014 03:39 Alaric wrote: Which brings me to Soniv's behaviour, which surprised me a bit. You're not defending yourself at all, and apart from the last few posts (I'll come back to that) you actually pretty much ignore the attacks against you to discuss other people. Now I'm not saying it's inherently bad, I just gave it some thought and came up with a few possibilities: - you're resigned to your lynch (see last post and your "everybody seems to want me dead"). That would be pretty scummy as I figure a townie would fight to the end to try to at least force discussion and get information out for everyone to read, even if he's doomed. On the other hand I find it likely because as said it's too early in the day to bury you, and I believe yout o be tougher than that. - you're disinterested and don't care if you die. Nope. No chance in Hell. - you're not upset because you know it's early in the day and that things are as likely to swing during the next 24 hours (It's Mafia! Maybe we'll end up lynching ketchup today!). You know focusing on defending yourself would only may you look worse and you don't find that case on yourself that strong anyway. I'm leaning for the 3rd one just because you're a vet, but maybe I'm missing something. Care to tell? If I had a choice between Req/Soniv today, I actually am changing my mind. I think Soniv can help us for the later rounds while Req will just pretend he doesn't know how Mafia works, and give no reads again throughout the day. He votes on me without any real reads because he doesn't think I'm scum? Why vote on me then? Because I dared him to do it? What a joke. If Wave really wants to push GhandiEagle, and there is a lot of backlash on him here, then I won't fault him for it. Mostly because A LOT of people have pinged GhandiEagle, and no one actually finds him helpful for town. ##Vote Req | ||
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I'm really happy with Soniv's responses so far. I like the fact that he will admit that his play did seem like he was pocketing people, but it wasn't it. It's a clear and simple defense. It appeals to me because that's the best defense he probably could have given for me. I think even if it doesn't clear the top three I had, it does help make me more comfortable with them. At this point, if people want to go after Ghandi, they can feel free to. I think Soniv is at least more helpful than Ghandi, and Req combined. Soniv is also potentially a lot more helpful to have in the later day stages than a lot of the lurkers. Speaking of, mordek, can you give some reads of your own? As in, can you post about how you feel about people now? I don't mind lists. Make a list of everyone. On October 15 2014 07:11 Alaric wrote: Ketchup it wasn't a case. When I say I'm just curious and asking questions, I mean it. Soniv acted differently from most so far, including other vets (even Tolkien addressed accusations against him, although he did it by trashtalking their authors), and that made me curious since he's experience. I thought there was maybe something to glean about how the game is played here. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. It looked like you were trying to hammer him, but I guess I misunderstood. | ||
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On October 15 2014 04:38 Requizen wrote: Whatever ##vote jcarlsoniv be back later How is this a good post from a town perspective? Am I missing something on Req here? What are people seeing that makes him townie? He has neutral feelings towards soniv, but still votes him? He seems to not have a solid read on ANYONE. He voted me, and then said it wasn't because he actually thought I was scum? | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I will absolutely not be voting req today. I you guys are being fooled by Soniv that's perfectly fine, but I've already said where my vote is going. Frankly I don't see what's so convincing here that Soniv posted. I think one of the problems (myself included) is that people sit around and wait for somebody to post when they think they're scummy, then they come back and post and say 'well I liked that post, so and so can't be scum' Do you know how easy it is to appease people with a post like that? I'm not going in for it today. Yes req is playing liked shit now and his vote was shit too, but it doesn't make him scum. I don't mind if you don't vote Req. Stick to your Ghandi vote if you want. I already said I don't think it's a bad vote for game's future. A major reason you didn't vote ghandi again is me right? Well, I won't rag on you too much about it. On the other hand, if he flips red, you look amazing. I personally feel more comfortable voting for Req because he is very erratic, but unhelpful as town. What help has he given us as town? He supposedly puts me on the scum list, but doesn't think I'm actually scummy. He votes me because he was annoyed. He votes soniv for a similar reason. He has YET to make a real case on you even though he says you are top scum for him. What part of his game makes sense from a town perspective? | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote: It makes sense from a shit town perspective, and zero from a scum perspective. He keeps taking completely unpopular points of view which are likely to get him lynched, he refuses to take advice or listen to those better than him. Tell me how drawing so much negative attention to oneself and acting the way he has toward others is scum play. That's a good point too. I just think there is a limit to how "newb" you can play the game. I also want to clarify that he didn't draw attention to himself. I drew attention to him earlier, and Soniv has pointed out similar things afterwards. So what are you voting Wave? Are you sticking to the soniv vote? Even though before, without my interference, you were 100% all in on Ghandi? | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:59 Requizen wrote: I've posted and responded and tried to help town, and repeatedly was told I was doing it wrong and that my posts were incorrect and stupid. So I'm trying something different. As it turns out, pretty much everything I do elicits a similar response. Both you and Soniv started tirades against me based on very shaky ideas and both tried to use misinformation and half truths to make me look as bad as possible. And then when that failed, you fell on "well he's different from day 1" as an excuse to keep going. Of course I am. Give me a fracking break. I'm voting Soniv because his pressure made no sense, as I noted here: + Show Spoiler + Just because I don't have a strong opinion on you, I'm scum. That is the entirety of your whole argument. That the shittiest reasoning I've seen in a long time, and I used to read GD. If you really are town and want to get the votes off of you, you should explain your own actions rather than make me repeat myself for the, what, fifth time? All you're doing is making me think you're more scum. This isn't bandwagoning (as you can clearly see from this entire exchange, I've remained very neutral up until this point), this is me looking at your actions (blame shifting, misinformation, fearmongering) and seeing you turn red. Whether that's just a townie screaming at nothing until his face turns purple or a desperate mafia, I don't know. As you can read (and I even copied it for you so you don't have to go into my filter and miss it again), his constant poking at non-points and failing to use simple logic makes me think he's trying way too hard to get people against me. It moves him up on my scum list. And since I'd rather vote on someone who I think may go through (Soniv) rather than someone who I know no one else but Jeff will vote on (Wave), I put my vote there. I could break it down further for you, but sometimes I'm optimistic and like to think that you're not that soft in the head. But then, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm terrible at this, just as terrible as I am at every game I play. Except 40k. Where I'll go now. Be back in a few hours or so. Okay dude, listen. This is a game. I'm not attacking you because of your personal character. I just want you to play better. Which is why I'm asking for certain things from you. I really don't know how to say this in any better way. | ||
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On October 15 2014 08:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'll vote either of them. If people want to switch to Jeff that's fine with me. Req stop fucking martyring. I'm still not seeing what's so good about sonivs play that has made you change your mind ketchup. Deflection onto req is a really good tactic because he's proven to be extremely predictable in how he acts. Soniv who else is scum? We're at the point in the game where you've gotta have more than just one read. I mostly have reservations about voting him this early in the game. I think he could be helpful in the future. I think right now, both you and him can be helpful in the future so I think it's not the best play to vote either of you. At this point, I just want people to actually play the game more. Mordek, Ghandi, Asmo, owb, cixah, coma, alzadar are all so quiet. If anyone else can speak up, it would be great. | ||
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This applies for Mordek, Asmo, owb, cixah, coma, alzadar, and whoever else I'm missing. Please post more if you actually have an interest in the game. | ||
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On October 15 2014 08:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Also interesting how so little blue impact was felt or discussed after the first night. Is someone maybe keeping quiet about being roleblocked as a 3P, explaining the one death? Would be worth looking into. Well mod explained this a bit. He said scum have 1 factional KP. It is highly likely they have another role(most likely poisoner) which has KP but it doesn't take effect immediately. Basically, as wave said before, you can expect more night kills starting the next day. | ||
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On October 15 2014 08:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote: It's much easier to do throwaway cancer posts during class in OT than it is to do a full response in a thread where I'm a main suspect and need to be more paced with what I say. I'm able to read the thread though, so I have been following the discourse throughout the day. Why did you change your signature? It's wifom of the highest order. Your signature is basically the final straw that broke me into voting for you. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:00 GhandiEAGLE wrote: You guys are absolutely tunnelvisioning on me being scum. I'm not. There are less reasons than before, but I think a couple certain people have good reasons and then other newbs misconstrue these reasons as clear evidence that I'm scum. Also why am I seen as a lurker? I lurked on day 1, but other than that I've been posting whenever possible. I have one of the longest filters. It's not Wave-Ketchup status but it's certainly not Coma-Mordek status. Your filter means nothing, which is part of the problem. You think just because you have 5 pages of posts that are somewhere between 1 -3 sentences it means you are actively helping town? It doesn't. You want to look less scummy? Stop doing scummy things. Again, start trying to ping out people you think are scum, and pressuring them to respond. I admit that you have other priorities, but it doesn't mean I can let you get away with the way you post. Answer these questions for me: Why are you not scum? What town moves/plays have you made to help town find scum? Those are the biggest questions I have for you, and others probably have as well. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote: One specific section really struck me though and I'd very much like to get opinions on this. This is an entirely new POV and shows that Asmo is attempting to think about connections between scummers. Now some people including myself have pointed out that pre-flip association isn't particularly useful, and often results in confirmation bias leading you and others astray. That however, isn't my main point. My biggest problem (and it is literally a problem, because I'm not sure I can give a completely unbiased answer to it): Which alignment posts something like the bolded? Who is thinking about leaving a scum to be sacrificed? Is this something that is going on in the scum QT that Asmo is trying to 'bring to light?' Is he just thinking really critically? I am not trying to lead on any answers here, but I want opinions. I think that section of the post is the key to cracking Asmo one way or another. This is difficult for me to answer. I really thought asmo was a bit scummy earlier, but his last few posts have been decent. He is actively attempting to look at things in different perspectives, which is nice. The fact that he pointed out soniv might be attempting to get me back on his side by pressuring Req(and I was the only one who wanted people to look at Req), was nice to me. I thought about it as well, but I discarded the information because it seems fairly complex for no real reward. What's the point of pocketing me when I can't save him? I think the scenario he thought up, is basically only possible in extreme circumstances. It's overly complicated, and that's more of a town tell to me than it is a scum tell. | ||
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On October 15 2014 12:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote: What im trying to show is that these "prod posts" are useless ways for people to seem helpful while never playing any cards. I think we should stop accepting these as legitimate discussion starters. But you aren't showing that. You are showing that some people refuse to take those posts seriously. And you know what happens to those people? They get lynched because they don't bring in any new information. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:28 ketchup wrote: Your filter means nothing, which is part of the problem. You think just because you have 5 pages of posts that are somewhere between 1 -3 sentences it means you are actively helping town? It doesn't. You want to look less scummy? Stop doing scummy things. Again, start trying to ping out people you think are scum, and pressuring them to respond. I admit that you have other priorities, but it doesn't mean I can let you get away with the way you post. Answer these questions for me: Why are you not scum? What town moves/plays have you made to help town find scum? Those are the biggest questions I have for you, and others probably have as well. So again, answer this for me ghandi. Why should I not vote on you? | ||
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On October 15 2014 12:42 ketchup wrote: So again, answer this for me ghandi. Why should I not vote on you? Quoting myself for the third time. Basically what have you done to help? | ||
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Why is Wave jumping on the mordek voting that was started by someone he feels is so heavily scummy that he has been after him since day 1? What's with the late day 2 vote switch by wave? I mean he could pressure mordek without voting for him. What's with OWB's jump on mordek as well? How did the mordek get three quick votes in the span of 1 hour? | ||
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On October 16 2014 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Eh, I don't think people understand the meaning or use of a pressure vote. Oh well. ##unvote Vote/read on mordek was never real tbh, but I wanted to see who I could make do stuff. Only person to jump was owb, though that's pretty interesting sine he's been doing it alllllllll game. This is pretty untrue. ketchup, what do you think? Who should it be today? I kept my vote where it should be today. I think soniv is helpful while ghandi is not. | ||
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On October 16 2014 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote: ketchup, what do you think? Who should it be today? Wave, you asked me who it should be today, I will go for GhandiEagle. | ||
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On October 16 2014 06:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Also, to ketchup, what do we actually learn by lynching me? Just wanting you to articulate your thought process more so I can talk it over more easily. Basically, I've asked you direct questions multiple times, and you haven't answered them for me. What does town gain from keeping you alive? You haven't answered this for me. It really doesn't gain anything in my perspective. Right now, I feel you are more of a liability than anyone else in the game. You are not clear about your real scum list. Before today, you didn't really mention soniv too much. Now, you are just jumping on the soniv bandwagon while pretending others are doing the same thing. Other people have actually had their own thoughts and opinions on the game. You give me nothing. You add nothing to the discussion. At one point ,you thought Wave was scummy, but I didn't see you trying to do anything about it then or even now. Basically, all you do is deflect. | ||
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On October 16 2014 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Despite the fact that soniv is content with his output and helpfulness for the day and Jeff is still trying? If the mordek vote pressure is him trying, then what is the soniv vote on Req? That was soniv deflecting while jeff tries? I don't understand your separation. It's all the same thing. Either both are still trying or both are deflecting. Both have done similar things for their defense. Soniv's defense to me was at least showing he didn't care he was under pressure, while Jeff just bandwagons on Soniv. Soniv actually attempted to get another scummier read rather than just Jeff. You know what Ghandi has done? Nothing. He hasn't brought new information to town. | ||
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On October 16 2014 06:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Not caring while under pressure is a playstyle of the person, not a sign of innocence or guilt. That's ridiculous. I'm also not just bandwagonning on Soniv, and i think you're making a huge mistake by tunnelvisioning on that. What would YOU consider new information, if I haven't brought any? Do tell, Ketchup. New information is basically getting new information by doing something or bringing in a new interaction between the players. For Soniv there are two things: 1.) I might have over analyzed certain interactions in my Soniv argument, and he points it out fairly simply that it could be seen in that manner, but it wasn't it. I think in a game like this, I prefer simplicity over complications. So, I am okay with taking this defense straight up. 2.) Similarly, I think Req's posting after Soniv put pressure on him was genuine. I think he doesn't speak in that manner unless something was really bugging him. I disagree with Soniv that Req is scummy now because to fabricate that type of post is extremely difficult. So, I give points to Soniv for causing Req to make that type of post. I do apologize that Req thought he had to make that type of post though. Again, I know Soniv dislikes this, but it is actually in favor of both of them that Req made that post. Basically Scum Soniv has zero reasons to push Req that far that it proves Req's more innocent than not. For you, Jeff, I see nothing. Point them out to me, and I will reconsider my vote. | ||
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On October 16 2014 06:51 Requizen wrote: As I posted above, it's fairly statistical that 1/3 of the three of you is scum, given Cixah is IC and I would not put myself in the calculation. That's a numbers game, which is the closest thing to "hard evidence" that there is in this game (of course, with the prior knowledge the Statistics are not in any way a perfect tool, it's about as good or better than feelings). And given the interactions, I find it highly unlikely that only one of you is Scum, except in the situation that Ghandi is the only one out of you that is. That said, if we vote Ghandi and he flips RED, I don't feel that this clears you or Soniv. I just feel that the Soinv - Wave - Ghandi scenario is more likely than the Soinv - Wave - Ghandi or Soinv - Wave - Ghandi scenarios. Just re-reading the last page. If the last sentence is true, why do you still have your vote on Soniv over Ghandi? That was going to be my post before soniv claimed. QQ | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Well, I guess Wave was right, someone is going to end up looking like the idiot here. If Soniv is no longer scummer number 1, then I'm going to stay with whomever I think is second. It was OWB until my last exchange with Mordek, which convinced me. If I'm going to die, then y'all need a bit of a blueprint for when I flip town. Mordek is guilty as fuck. I've gone over the reasons many times. Coma gives nothing but "vote ghandi" for some reason or another, looking into him will be good, but do note that I'm not sure scum would bank so hard on someone they knew was town, and risking looking like a chump the next day. Asmo is flippy-floppy, and has managed to avoid contributing repeatedly. It somehow turns out people ask him for reads, he gives a very political answer, and then he disappears for awhile until he wants to switch his vote. That's sketchy. Look into Wave for starting this whole anti-ghandi bandwagon, and if it's not Soniv or I then Wave is much more likely than I expected. This is an interesting development, especially for you Req. I wish I could pin a third, but I can't really decide. OWB and Mordek for me. Also, has anyone ever faked a blue reveal? Is that kosher, or is it as stupid as you'd think? ##Vote: Mordek Blue fake claim is possible, but usually it won't happen this early or in the manner that it did. Basically, he has a very low chance of surviving past day 3 or he might even die night 2 depending on what scum chooses to do. | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm feeling particularly weak right now. You guys are free to yell at me really loudly for this, but anybody wanna switch to Coma? I'm up for it actually. I was thinking of it. But ask soniv + cixah imo. | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:20 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Nice. Very good environment for the first timers. Conducive to learning and continued play. Losing sucks though, wish I woulda won my first game :/ Well here's a tip. If you are going to die as town, die fighting. Don't give up because you still have 2 hours. | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:26 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Also seriously guys, Mordek >>> Coma in suspicion right now. They both add nothing but Mordek adds nothing more suspiciously than Coma does. I feel more suspicious of coma than mordek. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:19 Alzadar wrote: This is too bizarre. Cixah just randomly calls me scummy and you all swap? yo man cixah is the only 100% town here | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:21 Alzadar wrote: And also the least insightful townie to date. There's no way this big swing is legit. Cixah said something random and scum have taken it and run with it. Two people started the vote: Cixah - 100% town Soniv - unconfirmed parity cop role. As a scum he doesn't benefit at all from the claim this early. Then we have Ghandi, me and Wave. Of these three, Ghandi is looking hard to defend himself(seeming almost desperate town role), I am fairly townie to everyone concerned(I know I'm town to me or worst case 3p leaning town to any doubters), and Wave(Who is fairly townie or worst case 3p leaning town) Last we have mordek and asmo. Asmo's been climbing on my town charts, and mordek is still questionable. Of all the above, this is a fairly townie train rolling through here. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:33 Alzadar wrote: Cixah is town but his reads are shit and nobody can deny that. In a moment I'll get to his other post. Soniv is who knows at this point but he had nothing to lose trying to start a wagon. The rest of you have either gotten caught up in the excitement or are scum amazed at their luck. This is absurd and you all know it. So who is scum in the train? | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:36 mordek wrote: I know soniv would have died tonight if this didn't happen lol. chugga chugga chugga Slip or something else? This doesn't work for me. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:43 Alzadar wrote: Alright well you've forced my hand Cixah, well done. I am the Town Medic. Nobody found it weird that there was only one death N1? I can't say for sure if I stopped that, but I did protect Wave, who should be able to confirm that for you all (please still be around!!). I'm not sure if Soniv is scum or actually Parity Cop, but lynching me sure isn't any better. Get your stupid votes back on Jeff where they belong. I'm lomo all the way on this. Mod already explained that scum have 1 factional KP per night. I don't believe you at all. Other KP roles include: Poisoner: Takes one day to work Vigi: You think scum shot on day 1?? | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:54 mordek wrote: There's no reason for the real medic not to counter-claim as we're trading 1-for-1 like Soniv was talking about earlier. Well, I would never counter claim here as a medic. | ||
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On October 22 2014 09:10 Alzadar wrote: It was a real stroke of luck for Ketchup to be modkilled, because he was the only one who doubted my claim. That was my own fault for editing. I gave Dandel the heads up in a message, then gambled on coinflip to see if i live or die. It was worth. A good timing to die because if town stepped up, they could have still had a chance to win. The claim was really bogus to me, and I kept my vote on you despite people changing over to comadose. I have to hand it to Alaric. Aside from his day 1 post where he was definitely was attempting to play the newb card, he never said anything that I saw that would have given him away. Then again, I also didn't read his well enough filter because other people stood out more. | ||
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I definitely should have been more trolly in the game atmosphere so we could have had more fun with things. The end of day 2 was really fun, and it did save ghandi which was amazing.(even if he didn't actually help with much afterwards QQ) | ||
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On October 22 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Ehh...debatable. The game would have been considerably quieter, but I can't say my contributions were actually truly helpful beyond trying to get people to play/think. I took the weight on but ultimately I either didn't handle it optimally/well or there wasn't anything I could truly do. Either definition works. I don't think there was anything you could do. I think the owb filter post you made should have cleared almost all the suspicion people had on you, but it didn't. No one read it closely enough or they just didn't care. The fact that people STILL thought you were scum after that post was a bit harsh. To me, after night 1, I listened to Tolkien and Soniv, and tried to take the pressure off you. The soniv post was my mistake in thinking he was attempting to buddy up too much. If I didn't start that train on him, we probably could have salvaged day 2 much better. I was attempting to get you to switch your vote off Soniv near the end, but you definitely can get really tunneled in to what you want. I was unsuccessful, which lead to the Soniv claim. I think my day 1 pressure didn't help you either. I probably made the game go into serious mode way too fast when day 1 should have just been random lynch votes all day. | ||
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On October 22 2014 10:57 Dandel Ion wrote: fwiw if soniv didn't claim that day, mordek's poison would have quitely killed him so it actually wasn't that bad. That is true, but I still don't think it was a good town play. Also a general question, did mordek explain why he poisoned Soniv? | ||
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I think I saved Ghandi in this game a lot, but he never helped to win. QQQQQ I sincerely wish people were just a tiny bit more active for this game. I forgot that Dandel puts up the mafia QT in his last post, so I will go read that! | ||
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On October 22 2014 14:15 Keirathi wrote: Are you the ketchup that used to hang out at #runeterra!? Whoa that's something I'd never thought I'd see. Yep, that was definitely me. I never got into the inhouses though when they took off. That was what made runeterra more famous I thought. I am really really surprised anyone remembers my name from there(especially given how generic my name is). | ||
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On October 22 2014 14:29 Keirathi wrote: I played with you quite a lot, of course I remember you! My LoL/irc name is Laggy. #lollol 4lyfe! OH SNAP. I KNOW YOU FOR SURE. WHOA. yea lolol #1. How the hell is this possible? Why don't you post in the LoL sub-forums? Or at least the LR threads? Did the LoL section scare you off early on or something? | ||
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On October 22 2014 14:39 Keirathi wrote: Nah, I just wasn't really playing LoL anymore when I started playing mafia here, so basically all of my posts are in this subforum. Pretty much the only LoL'ing I do nowadays is watching tourneys and maybe logging in once every 2-3 months and doing an ARAM Ah that makes sense. I don't think I've seen you online in a while either(then again I don't play enough still). Join the LR threads and join in on the terror posting that is any LR thread! Nice to see you around again. Also let me know if you are going to try for season end rewards in LoL, so that you can carry me to gold. ggggg | ||
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On October 22 2014 22:00 jcarlsoniv wrote: If any townies haven't read the scum QT, go do it. Especially around our D2 shanannies, it really exemplifies the things you should be aware of. Medic claim was uncontestable when he made it, but should have been punished or at least more heavily scrutinized D3. Just for the record, I tried to fight the claim because it didn't work for me! I also think he slipped, and no one realized it. He tried to play it off as if he saved someone Night 1 by saying there was only 1 night kill because of him(so he was saying scum had 2 kp somehow). I pointed out that mod confirmed only 1 factional kp, so the chance of a night 1 save was really non-existent. The other possibilities were scum poisoner and scum vigi. He'd have to get a save on someone who a possible scum vigi shot! To add on to that, what type of scum vigi wouldn't wait for a blue role claim to shoot on? Basically town saved Alzadar here because I couldn't convince any of them to stick to the town train. QQ Also, the town train was definitely all town train. It was really amazing. Cixah, Soniv, Ghandi, Wave, mordek, myself, and Asmo. I think we should have stuck to the train because it was basically a town confirmation for the majority of us if we got the lynch off. People got cold feet after the claim, but I still stuck to it! Imagine what this game could have been if it stuck: Alzadar dead to town train, owb died to serial poisoner, and only Alaric left to spot out! That would have been such a huge upswing for town. The possibilities! | ||
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On October 23 2014 07:19 Alaric wrote: Well Alzadar was about the only scum online when it happened, so... That's the best part. The coincidence of having all town train + no scum to hop on it. gosu timing yo | ||
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