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On October 12 2014 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBearYou can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + I hate that I like this post so much because I don't fully trust you yet I asked you a couple things in my filter, care to answer them? (I forget where or what they are lulz)
About Req? I'm seeing exactly what I expected, and I'm still trying to decide if he's being normal Req or if he's playing us. Either way I think there are probably better targets for D1? I understand the difficulty of D1 analysis, it's tough to figure out, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there for now. What I don't like is the continual complaining instead of attempting to emulate others and figure it out.
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Soniv, why MB instead of Alz? Alz is still the better read for me, especially since he's been mia since we turned against him.
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I might be misremembering the last time Alz posted actually... looking back it is more recent than I remember.
Doesn't change my vote though.
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On October 12 2014 05:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBearYou can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + I hate that I like this post so much because I don't fully trust you yet I asked you a couple things in my filter, care to answer them? (I forget where or what they are lulz) About Req? I'm seeing exactly what I expected, and I'm still trying to decide if he's being normal Req or if he's playing us. Either way I think there are probably better targets for D1? I understand the difficulty of D1 analysis, it's tough to figure out, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there for now. What I don't like is the continual complaining instead of attempting to emulate others and figure it out.
Alright well assuming you aren't playing ME, you have my axe if you so desire.
I think my one reservation here is the open bluefishing (regarding both Req/MB), unless we are to believe that scum Req/MB are newbie enough to not realize that's a no-no. They also truly seem to believe what he posted about the D1 being useless thing.
Actually just realizing now how similar in attitude both MB and req have been. That's interesting.
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On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2014 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBearYou can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + I hate that I like this post so much because I don't fully trust you yet I asked you a couple things in my filter, care to answer them? (I forget where or what they are lulz) About Req? I'm seeing exactly what I expected, and I'm still trying to decide if he's being normal Req or if he's playing us. Either way I think there are probably better targets for D1? I understand the difficulty of D1 analysis, it's tough to figure out, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there for now. What I don't like is the continual complaining instead of attempting to emulate others and figure it out. Alright well assuming you aren't playing ME, you have my axe if you so desire. I think my one reservation here is the open bluefishing (regarding both Req/MB), unless we are to believe that scum Req/MB are newbie enough to not realize that's a no-no. They also truly seem to believe what he posted about the D1 being useless thing. Actually just realizing now how similar in attitude both MB and req have been. That's interesting.
yup
On October 12 2014 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Soniv, why MB instead of Alz? Alz is still the better read for me, especially since he's been mia since we turned against him.
Because Alz started posting contentless stuff, but has contributed at least a bit (even if I don't agree with what he's saying). MB has gone above and beyond to say less than nothing.
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On October 12 2014 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Soniv, why MB instead of Alz? Alz is still the better read for me, especially since he's been mia since we turned against him.
To me Alz is more 'bumbly' if that makes any sense. I've posted monster walls-o'-text to get town off my back before (which is why you're not entirely off the hook) and MB's discussion choices seem very deliberate as opposed to Alz who could be scum but is a little more passive in how he looks.
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Yeah I have to assume you're town here I think. Too much mind-meld going on and I don't know if you're the type of scum who is good enough at disguising intentions/thoughts to sync up with town so well.
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On October 12 2014 05:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 12 2014 05:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2014 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBearYou can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + I hate that I like this post so much because I don't fully trust you yet I asked you a couple things in my filter, care to answer them? (I forget where or what they are lulz) About Req? I'm seeing exactly what I expected, and I'm still trying to decide if he's being normal Req or if he's playing us. Either way I think there are probably better targets for D1? I understand the difficulty of D1 analysis, it's tough to figure out, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there for now. What I don't like is the continual complaining instead of attempting to emulate others and figure it out. Alright well assuming you aren't playing ME, you have my axe if you so desire. I think my one reservation here is the open bluefishing (regarding both Req/MB), unless we are to believe that scum Req/MB are newbie enough to not realize that's a no-no. They also truly seem to believe what he posted about the D1 being useless thing. Actually just realizing now how similar in attitude both MB and req have been. That's interesting. yup Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Soniv, why MB instead of Alz? Alz is still the better read for me, especially since he's been mia since we turned against him. Because Alz started posting contentless stuff, but has contributed at least a bit (even if I don't agree with what he's saying). MB has gone above and beyond to say less than nothing.
also Alz's posting can easily be misconstrued as bad townie
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Hmmm... now you're making me second-guess myself soniv... but the bear was high on my kill list too...
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On October 12 2014 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Claiming VT isn't a noob move per se, but it is obviously incredibly useless. I do it all the time in TL mafia games. I thought it was pretty obvious I did it for fun but people keep proving me wrong.
I saw it as a fun post, but I'll still definitely question you on it. I don't see why you would be irritated at that since this IS mafia, and that SHOULD have been the expected response. I found it as a fun post that I didn't like because it didn't help
town from my prespective. I also enjoyed putting pressure on you about it because at the time I didn't think it came from someone who wanted to help town. The fact that other people have parroted this though makes me think you are more likely town. It also helps that you are trying to find more information from various people even if you are trying hard to put yourself on team soniv
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Similarly, I really wanted to put pressure on Requizen so I voted on him. I don't like his posts so far, and I really don't enjoy when people say things like "i was skimming posts" and then pretending that he is too "newb" to be scum. I'm fairly certain everyone has a general gist of what this game is about, and it bothers me when people pretend they were not "paying attention" so they are free to ask scummy things. I don't see how people already put in him in their town list already. He is still scummy since he still doesn't give substance to many of his posts. I will keep my vote on Requizen until he gives more information in his posts or someone points out exactly why he is a bad vote. He could defend himself, but other people are defending him, which is weird. For example, both Alaric and Asmo have said they don't trust him, but don't want to see him die day 1. Why not?
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On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads.
My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway.
On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
open bluefishing
Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia?
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On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads. My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia?
Can you give any other people if we exclude Wave from the list please? Who else seems scummy to you so far?
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On October 12 2014 06:08 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Claiming VT isn't a noob move per se, but it is obviously incredibly useless. I do it all the time in TL mafia games. I thought it was pretty obvious I did it for fun but people keep proving me wrong. I saw it as a fun post, but I'll still definitely question you on it. I don't see why you would be irritated at that since this IS mafia, and that SHOULD have been the expected response. I found it as a fun post that I didn't like because it didn't help town from my prespective. I also enjoyed putting pressure on you about it because at the time I didn't think it came from someone who wanted to help town. The fact that other people have parroted this though makes me think you are more likely town. It also helps that you are trying to find more information from various people even if you are trying hard to put yourself on team soniv --- Similarly, I really wanted to put pressure on Requizen so I voted on him. I don't like his posts so far, and I really don't enjoy when people say things like "i was skimming posts" and then pretending that he is too "newb" to be scum. I'm fairly certain everyone has a general gist of what this game is about, and it bothers me when people pretend they were not "paying attention" so they are free to ask scummy things. I don't see how people already put in him in their town list already. He is still scummy since he still doesn't give substance to many of his posts. I will keep my vote on Requizen until he gives more information in his posts or someone points out exactly why he is a bad vote. He could defend himself, but other people are defending him, which is weird. For example, both Alaric and Asmo have said they don't trust him, but don't want to see him die day 1. Why not?
And who is on 'team soniv' exactly? Soniv can be on my 'team' since everything he said upon his return echoed earlier thoughts of mine.
Whose team are you on?
As for req it's a difficult situation because I've seen scum play this way and try to play up the fact that they're new and they can get away with it, but you also must consider the fact that everything req has posted so far could very well be genuine.
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On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads. My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia?
Don't know which I don't like more. MB's blatant persistence in being unapologetic for his misgivings this game, or Req throwing them in our face. I guess if you're new there really is no way around it.
On October 12 2014 06:16 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote:On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads. My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
open bluefishing Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia? Can you give any other people if we exclude Wave from the list please? Who else seems scummy to you so far?
This post seems a little silly since 'quantity of reads' isn't the issue we have with MB to begin with.
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On October 12 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:08 ketchup wrote:On October 12 2014 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Claiming VT isn't a noob move per se, but it is obviously incredibly useless. I do it all the time in TL mafia games. I thought it was pretty obvious I did it for fun but people keep proving me wrong. I saw it as a fun post, but I'll still definitely question you on it. I don't see why you would be irritated at that since this IS mafia, and that SHOULD have been the expected response. I found it as a fun post that I didn't like because it didn't help town from my prespective. I also enjoyed putting pressure on you about it because at the time I didn't think it came from someone who wanted to help town. The fact that other people have parroted this though makes me think you are more likely town. It also helps that you are trying to find more information from various people even if you are trying hard to put yourself on team soniv --- Similarly, I really wanted to put pressure on Requizen so I voted on him. I don't like his posts so far, and I really don't enjoy when people say things like "i was skimming posts" and then pretending that he is too "newb" to be scum. I'm fairly certain everyone has a general gist of what this game is about, and it bothers me when people pretend they were not "paying attention" so they are free to ask scummy things. I don't see how people already put in him in their town list already. He is still scummy since he still doesn't give substance to many of his posts. I will keep my vote on Requizen until he gives more information in his posts or someone points out exactly why he is a bad vote. He could defend himself, but other people are defending him, which is weird. For example, both Alaric and Asmo have said they don't trust him, but don't want to see him die day 1. Why not? And who is on 'team soniv' exactly? Soniv can be on my 'team' since everything he said upon his return echoed earlier thoughts of mine. Whose team are you on?
As for req it's a difficult situation because I've seen scum play this way and try to play up the fact that they're new and they can get away with it, but you also must consider the fact that everything req has posted so far could very well be genuine.
I don't know. I am not part of any team, and just playing my own way to help.
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On October 12 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote:On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads. My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
open bluefishing Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia? Don't know which I don't like more. MB's blatant persistence in being unapologetic for his misgivings this game, or Req throwing them in our face. I guess if you're new there really is no way around it. Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:16 ketchup wrote:On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote:On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads. My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
open bluefishing Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia? Can you give any other people if we exclude Wave from the list please? Who else seems scummy to you so far? This post seems a little silly since 'quantity of reads' isn't the issue we have with MB to begin with.
I don't think so. I'm just asking for him to give town more to work with. He can focus on you, or he can forget you for a few minutes. I don't really want to focus on you anymore, because you have had a lot of attention going your way. I wanted to see if he had any other people. Do you really want everything to be about you today as well?
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Obviously not and Ive stated so, but adding more useless reads to his list of the previous three does me no good. And on that note did you even read his post? He himself said he doesn't want to focus on me.
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On October 12 2014 06:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Obviously not and Ive stated so, but adding more useless reads to his list of the previous three does me no good. And on that note did you even read his post? He himself said he doesn't want to focus on me.
I don't understand. Why can't I ask him to actually give those reads since he didn't actually give them. I'm confused on what your problem is with that?
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Yeah I'm not quite following either wave. Why would it be a problem to ask MB his reads - I would love to see him come to an actual conclusion as well.
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