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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 11 2014 20:33 GMT
#401
On October 12 2014 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Oh God I wanted to write "weird that MB" and now it hurts my eye but I can't edit it out and correct it because Mafia!!§§
This game is torture for my inner grammar nazi.

My post is also a mess despite all the TL;DR so I'll try to explain it a bit better for Req (even though I think Wave would disapprove, since I guess he'd count it as giving scum information?).

You go on hunches, because people will fuck up and if they don't you want them to fuck up anyway. Once they do, you pin them to the wall and shove it under their nose and when they're unable to come up with a convincing explanation, you lynch them.

There are several postulates you can follow:
- scum are lurkers because they think the less they post, the less likely they are to slip up (that's where for example you can start voting against someone; if he's not afk that'll probably spring him into action as he doesn't want to die)
- when you lynch a scum, you examine who was defending it. I don't have much experience so I don't know how much it holds, but in the games I've played newbie scum would sometimes try to defend their teammates for fear that they'll be in a difficult situation if one of them gets lynched. So the next day people will look at them and say "Hey they were pretty adamant in their defense of X yesterday, wonder if they're scum too". It happens rarely though, because that implies somebody talked and that's so rare in my games. T_T
- on the contrary when scum talk it's not in their interest to make the game progress. They'll try to put town on the wrong tracks, push for lynching townies, or simply say a bunch of useless stuff so people lose time (and clarity of mind, there's so much to read wtf) with it, and in the meantime they can't be accused of lurking since they posted.
That's Wave's beef with Moonbear for example (even moreso because Moonbear used metaphors and stuff to colour his post I'd wager).

So if you want to help you can analyse people's posts, and try to formulate you deductions/hunches/"reads" in a concise way, or interrogate people you find suspicious.
Basically, be proactive and efficient in hunting down scum.

This doesn't exactly fall into the realm of 'giving scum information' because it's more 'general strategy' than the specific strategies of claims/fakeclaims/counterclaims. If this makes people like MB/Req stop bitching about 'lolz D1 useless' than I'm fine with it.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 11 2014 20:33 GMT
#402
Oh wow, things happened.

Cixah, not sure why you claimed that early... I don't think you're in any real danger of being lynched.

Ugh, now I'm incredibly torn. MoonBear, while your post was glorious and fun to read, it was utterly useless. You can't take 80% of your post talking about wave and his behavior, not come to a conclusion, and then go off on some other non-conclusion bearing tangent. It's a huge "look at me I'm contributing" post, but there is 0 substance.

Req is scummy as fuck because of newbie claiming. T_T

The longer jeff goes without contributing, the scummier he looks. Swaglord is looking likely town for me.

Jesus fucking christ the claims lol. If everyone's VT, then nobody is!

On October 12 2014 05:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:
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On October 12 2014 05:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Can people stop making silly VT claims D1? Super annoying.


Sorry, starting to realize how dumb this is.

Staph blaming... super noob here.


god and the noob claims

can we just lynch everyone?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 11 2014 20:34 GMT
#403
On October 12 2014 05:28 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Alright, I've finally gone with a comprehensive read and I'm ready to actually post some substance. Of course, after this I'll have to go for a while again (I think), but hopefully this puts suspicion off me and back towards the true scum where it belongs. By the way, I am also Vanilla Town (yo, Wave, you want some town solidarity and boldness? here it is).

So, it's D1 and we know fuck all, so my #1 evils atm are lurkers. I might end up voting on a lurker later or asking for a policy lynch if necessary. Lurkers are scum even if they're town because they're useless to our cause. Die lurkers die. (Yes I realize the hypocrisy, but hopefully I'll get more chances to participate from now on).

Here are my current scum reads: Alzadar and MoonBear. So far, these two have put forth the most useless content imo. No conclusions, lots of thoughts that don't lead anywhere concrete, a bunch of confusion that basically just serves to sow dissent among the ranks. In the end, MoonBear gets a pass from me for now because most of his post was based on a rules misunderstanding, but Alz has no excuse. In other words...

##Vote: Alzadar

... because until we have a reason to trust you at this point, you super scummy.

We also have our townies: Alaric and Req. Alaric's post was far too genuinely helpful for me to buy him as mafia. I don't think anyone's got that kind of skill just yet (except for perhaps Wave and soniv, but we'll get to them), so I'm taking that as genuine. Also, I don't see Req's attitude as a cover YET. However, if townies start falling around him, I'll totally revisit that because it'd be a DAMN good play for scum. But it comes back the fact that I don't think either player is good enough at Mafia yet to being lying based on the contents of their posts thus far.

Reads on everyone else:
  • Wave - I, like ketchup, saw the boldness and the use of color text out of the gate as a little suspicious. It seemed to me that you could be using our noobishness against us by making it LOOK like your Town-hood was official. However, your other posts seem reasonable for the most part. I can't even blame you hunting me since I haven't posted much yet and, as I've said, lurkers be scum. I'm not entirely convinced you're town yet, but that's where I'm leaning. Probably Town.
  • owb - Die lurker die. Come out of the woodwork and prove me wrong.
  • Ghandi - I don't like your aggro behavior and one-liner style. It smells of scum. But I'm not ready to call this just yet. Still, your shit ain't up to standards.
  • LT - Trolls are as bad as lurkers. Die. You're not an obvious threat yet, but I'd want to take you out first if there were no remaining threats like Alz.
  • Coma - Die lurker die.
  • Cixah - Not sure yet... Innocent Child claim is confusing.
  • mordek - Similarly, not sure what to think. Don't like immediate hunch vs. Cixah, but you're clearly not committed to anything yet. I'll also keep an open mind.
  • ketchup - I've generally agreed with you, starting from your first suspicions of Wave, so I'm thinking you're town in general. However, I don't buy a vote against Req right now, so you're in a gray area. Probably Town.
  • soniv - I like Soniv as town because his posts have been sensible so far, but that's exactly what scumiv would do D1 too. Keeping an open mind because I like the perspectives, but could go either way.

Hopefully I didn't leave anything out or put anything suspicious in because I did do this in a semi-rush to get a post in before I moved on to other busy parts of the day. I'm happy to answer or clarify wherever anyone is confused.

Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 11 2014 20:35 GMT
#404
On October 12 2014 05:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh wow, things happened.

Cixah, not sure why you claimed that early... I don't think you're in any real danger of being lynched.

Ugh, now I'm incredibly torn. MoonBear, while your post was glorious and fun to read, it was utterly useless. You can't take 80% of your post talking about wave and his behavior, not come to a conclusion, and then go off on some other non-conclusion bearing tangent. It's a huge "look at me I'm contributing" post, but there is 0 substance.

Req is scummy as fuck because of newbie claiming. T_T

The longer jeff goes without contributing, the scummier he looks. Swaglord is looking likely town for me.

Jesus fucking christ the claims lol. If everyone's VT, then nobody is!

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On October 12 2014 05:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 12 2014 05:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Can people stop making silly VT claims D1? Super annoying.


Sorry, starting to realize how dumb this is.

Staph blaming... super noob here.


god and the noob claims

can we just lynch everyone?

Two things:
Save me from this.
You'd better not be scum.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
October 11 2014 20:36 GMT
#405
Again, claiming VT is like the ultimate scum claim and does nothing for town. If you're actual VT, stfu and multiply, because you shield blues. If you're blue, you'll end up claiming VT D1 anyways unless super-pressed, and it undermines your blue claim LATER, and if you're mafia, you're going to claim VT unless you're fairly certain you've cleared out all the blues (or there aren't any due to mafia roles, like all mafia goons).

So claiming VT is like bleh. Don't do it. Just say town and move on, for the love of jebus.

Incidentally why I seriously hated wave for his first post.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 11 2014 20:37 GMT
#406
That's why he's on my "near-scum" list, not the unsure list. After Alz, he's next (assuming no bigger threats).

Also, Wave... if early VT claiming is a noob move, why'd you do it? It seems like all the other vets read it as bad (and I'm starting to as well) and I basically was just following you (probably stupidly).

ALSO SORRY I'M A NOOB SONIV. I OWN UP TO MY MISTAKES.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 11 2014 20:37 GMT
#407
##unvote
I dunno I tried to have a problem with his post but in the end I really don't, aside from it being a massive vomit-reads post. Known scum tactic to get people off their back but if so it worked for me for now. Let's see what else you can do.

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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 11 2014 20:39 GMT
#408
Claiming VT isn't a noob move per se, but it is obviously incredibly useless. I do it all the time in TL mafia games. I thought it was pretty obvious I did it for fun but people keep proving me wrong.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 11 2014 20:39 GMT
#409
So if you don't know what's going on you can't say you don't know what's going on because it auto makes you scum. Gotcha.
It's your boy Guzma!
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 11 2014 20:40 GMT
#410
It's my first game, sorry . I've watch enough voice mafia to have my head say 'You probably shouldn't do this.' but I didn't feel safe with how hard and fast that bandwagon came at me. It still doesn't sit right with me how fast those 3 votes came out of the gate against me.

Curious though, What made You (Soniv) and Wave think I wasn't getting lynch D1?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 11 2014 20:40 GMT
#411
We should also stop discussing VT claims in general because they don't mean a damn thing and don't further useful discussion. (They are not a scumclaim tolkien lol)
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 11 2014 20:42 GMT
#412
On October 12 2014 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Claiming VT isn't a noob move per se, but it is obviously incredibly useless. I do it all the time in TL mafia games. I thought it was pretty obvious I did it for fun but people keep proving me wrong.


Mafia isn't fun. It's serious business.

Also, I genuinely was thrown off by that initial claim. You have to wade in the kiddy pool for this game, so assume we don't know when you're joking around yet.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 11 2014 20:42 GMT
#413
y'know what? fuck it

##vote: MoonBear

You can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions.

THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED

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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
October 11 2014 20:42 GMT
#414
They aren't, but I hate them. srs


Also 6ah, it was a super early claim. We haven't even broken 24hrs yet, and like 90% of TL mafia is played in the last 3 hours of the day.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 11 2014 20:43 GMT
#415
On October 12 2014 05:40 Cixah wrote:
It's my first game, sorry . I've watch enough voice mafia to have my head say 'You probably shouldn't do this.' but I didn't feel safe with how hard and fast that bandwagon came at me. It still doesn't sit right with me how fast those 3 votes came out of the gate against me.

Curious though, What made You (Soniv) and Wave think I wasn't getting lynch D1?

The bolded is a good direction if you want to do some analysis, though it being so far from deadline you gotta be careful.

In my case it's just based on experience. I find it particularly rare that a 'prime' target in the early game (first few days) for most of the day is ever the one who actually ends up getting lynched unless he/she does something particularly egregious like scumclaims. Plus to me you didn't look nearly as bad as some others do so I never planned on voting for you.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 11 2014 20:43 GMT
#416
On October 12 2014 05:40 Cixah wrote:
It's my first game, sorry . I've watch enough voice mafia to have my head say 'You probably shouldn't do this.' but I didn't feel safe with how hard and fast that bandwagon came at me. It still doesn't sit right with me how fast those 3 votes came out of the gate against me.

Curious though, What made You (Soniv) and Wave think I wasn't getting lynch D1?


Because I have no reason right now to believe you're scum. There are definitely more proper targets than you right now. Bandwagons happen, votes shift a lot. There's still an entire second half of the day phase to get through.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 11 2014 20:43 GMT
#417
On October 12 2014 05:42 Lord Tolkien wrote:
They aren't, but I hate them. srs


Also 6ah, it was a super early claim. We haven't even broken 24hrs yet, and like 90% of TL mafia is played in the last 3 hours of the day.


I will be asleep for that. Legit hope I don't just die then.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
October 11 2014 20:44 GMT
#418
This is a newbie game, so pressure votes are real.

I'm just too lazy to do it right now lelel
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 11 2014 20:44 GMT
#419
On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
y'know what? fuck it

##vote: MoonBear

You can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions.

THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED

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I hate that I like this post so much because I don't fully trust you yet

I asked you a couple things in my filter, care to answer them? (I forget where or what they are lulz)
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 11 2014 20:47 GMT
#420
A couple things that confused me. Alaric saying Wave didn't do much when he was pretty much the only one pressing people for thoughts at the beginning. Also confused Asmo pinned my Cixah hunch as immediate when I don't mention him at all in the previous post for my scum reads but I gave it more thought. Obviously we got some information to work with after that. Whether that's good for the town or not I don't know but we'll find out what Cixah is soon enough.

Also Req, just PM dandel with questions. If you post anything in this thread you have to fully expect people to interpret it/re-read it/analyze it. If it's simply gameplay function just PM, at least that's what I would do.
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