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ketchup
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jcarlsoniv
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WaveofShadow
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I'm saying he should elaborate on the reads he gave that were based on nothing, not add more like you suggested ketchup. Alz/Tolkien/Jeff. What's so hard to understand about that? (Though if theyre based on nothing how can he elaborate anyway?) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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jcarlsoniv
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ketchup
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On October 12 2014 06:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: care to explain? Nope! | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 12 2014 06:16 ketchup wrote: Can you give any other people if we exclude Wave from the list please? Who else seems scummy to you so far? Unless by this you just meant the original three he didn't discuss much. | ||
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ketchup
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On October 12 2014 06:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Unless by this you just meant the original three he didn't discuss much. Yes, I wanted more information from him about anything else. Doesn't matter what or who. I thought it would be nice to have. I just wanted to see him post more because I disliked his post on you a lot. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
ok lovely, then I'll know not to take you seriously | ||
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ketchup
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I'd also like to see more from owb still. | ||
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Alzadar
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Alaric
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On October 12 2014 05:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Plz Alaric. I haven't done much? Even before MB's post? SO much plz. I get why (and soniv) are holding back on voting, but at the very least you do need to have some sort of direction and/or scum read to go off of. Are you leaning towards Jeff right now? if not, then who? Alright (also WTF YOU ALREADY HAVE 5 PAGES OF FILTER). + Show Spoiler [Wave part, that's secondary] + Regarding you, looking at your filter the first 3 pages don't have much. Basically, you point out some distrust of ketchup, give Soniv then me town cred, and "come clean" about your first post (though as you mentioned at that point most of us had seen through it anyway). Starting from the end of page 3 you make accusations, but Asmo's post was so obviously scummy that it didn't take much really.  Req's shifty in his own confrontational ways but that's Req. And starting from page 4's second half (so after Moonbear's post) you start actually making more points rather than simply commentating "I like this post / Jeff wtf you doing", most notably toward Req and Moonbear.So... I'd say there's some substance to what I said? (Also reading your filter made me realise you seem to regularly rely on Soniv to confirm your impressions.) To be honest, I'd have read your reaction in the quoted post as suspicious hadn't you been confrontational with everyone in here already. And my town lean for you would be stronger weren't you a vet, I admit it.Generally you seem to be going back-and-forth, which leaves me puzzled at times. I assume as people get more experienced this is normal and players aren't as straight-forward, but it also makes it harder for me to interpret stuff. I guess I'll just say you still read townie to me, I'm just slowly realising that you may as bad as you told us. ;p More seriously, onto the scum reads. I'm a carebear at heart and know it sucks to die day 1 with the feeling that you didn't get to play, so I actually found it hard when I started thinking "who could make a good lynch?" earlier today, because I know every player here and it'd make me sad/"uneasy" to see whoever we lynch look bummed to go out so early. Thanksfully Ghandi's dubious behaviour made me realise that I'll have no qualms if someone's posting makes me think they deserve it. TL;DR: scum reads are - Asmodeus (main one) - Moonbear/Alzadar below, in no particular order - I'm all for lynching Leprechaun and Jeff if they make us, too. Soniv - Undecided. Like you, he waddles in and out, but it's less obvious because he doesn't post as much. Him going on Alzadar isn't suspicious because I think he's been the first one to do it? I'd add that he seems to have changed his mind, but considering how under scrutiny Alzadar is now, that may as well be a fine scum move to gtfo once he's led town onto someone. He said that he's more passive day 1 and I'm willing to believe that—with the caveat that I'll pay him a closer look after that. Alzadar - To be honest I didn't even bother with him. His list of games played had me go "wtf" but I certainly don't have the time (nor willingness) to go through past games' filters so I had a bias. Overall he seems suspicious, but with 2-3 peole on his back already I thought I was better off looking elsewhere instead of piling up on a single person. After going through his filter he seems kind of... all over the place. He has for him that he egged Moonbear early, was the first to point Cixah, and didn't panic when he was attacked (before I explained that panicking is bad, otherwise it wouldn't mean anything), on the other hand he has a bunch of tactics he mentions that seem... heavy-handed, to say the least, especially in a newbie game. Either he's scum trying hard to appear contributing, or he's very enthusiastic/eager. Is he usually as tryhard as he claimed to be in one of his first posts? ComaDose, owb - lurky lurkers lurking. Makes both of them suspicious as they basically didn't say anything, but I guess it's closer to policy lynch than scum hunches. They still have 24 hours to change that. Asmodeus - Very suspicious. Nothing too egregious after his first outburst (unlike Ghandi), but as honored I am with the town reads, once both you and Soniv gave it to me it's pretty easy for someone to be parroting the vets, and accusing Alzadar and Moonbear when it did it wasn't the hardest thing to do. Actually Soniv accused Alzadar first, and you came on pretty strong on Moonbear. He also answered with noob claims to both of you specifically. It looks like he's trying to follow the vets. Be it to make himself look inconspicuous or because he values your experiences, I'm still growing more and more suspicious of the "shitposting/fake afk-ing into parroting the vets" behaviour. Lord Tolkien - Suspicious. Not "very" this time. I mean, he's basically shitposting and asking for a policy lynch (which is the least risky way of pushing a lynch when you think about it), but after seeing how Ghandi and Req were treated he can't genuinely believe he can get away with it. So it's hard to keep suspecting him, unless I start considering that he's mindgaming us, and I don't want to go down that path (would that be a WIFOM, if I got that right?). I guess I have to assume he's "trolling"/fooling around then (which echoes what I initially wrote about Ghandi's behaviour), but still, worth keeping an eye out for later. MoonBear - Suspicious, but he hasn't said too much. Apart from his post and the way you criticised it, he asks a lot of questions on how things work. In itself I wouldn't be too surprised, and trying to make sure you know how to pull the levers at your disposal is obviously fine, but the way he does it surprises me. Maybe it's me overreading (it's not like I know him personally, mainly going from the persona he has in the off-topic thread here), but I'm waiting for him to explain himself more, the way I did for Ghandi at first. Ghandieagle - since we're here. Obviously suspicious. To be honest, I don't really want to lynch him, but he keeps jeffing things up, so if I have to actually try and/or throw my vote at him to get something more out of him, then so be it. Requizen - Uh... I think I've explained myself enough, but whatever. I think he'd be a good player, or at least an active and involved one, if he felt like it. So despite his hiccups—which are totally in line with genuine Req, reason enough for me not to accuse him (although the fact that he's easily startled plays a part in why I wouldn't jump on him first)—I think he's town. I want him to be town, actually—heck, from a spectator point of view I'd want him to stay alive even if he was scum, were it not for the fact that, well, that would obviously endanger town. At this point I'm basically playing favourites because Moonbear and him were the guys I was most looking forward to see their posts (is that even English), and since he's got no motivation/IRL activites/is slow on the startup in general, I'm trying to keep him alive to feed my curiosity/expectations later. On October 12 2014 05:42 Lord Tolkien wrote: Also 6ah, it was a super early claim. We haven't even broken 24hrs yet, and like 90% of TL mafia is played in the last 3 hours of the day. You mean 23h-2h for me? Well, fuck. x') It took me something like two hours to type all that, while doing some stuff on the side but also reading filters and refreshing the thead to take "in-between" posts into account. This game. Damn. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
That post only has slightly more useful information than MoonBear's. Lots of "suspicious" isn't really worth mentioning, you should be suspicious of everyone. Even "very suspicious" is pretty noncommittal for someone who's top on your scum list. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Asmo's post was so obviously scummy it didn't need pointing out? Then how come nobody did until I did, and then barely anyone reacted to it after I pointed it out? I wouldn't say relying on soniv so much as it is difficult for me to gain ground when so many people have no idea how to play and immediately accuse me when I am very obviously town. As soniv for the most gets it (and I have played with him before,) I suppose I am relying on him a little more than I should for support) + Show Spoiler + I still disagree with your saying I haven't done anything before that point; I drove conversation which wasn't happening at all (constantly grilling/commenting will do that) and posting my own thoughts and reads constantly so as to establish my overwhelming towniness---this is neithe rhere nor there however and is really irrelevant discussion. It just annoys me that you think I haven't done shit. As far as me being bad---what are you basing that on exactly? I know exactly why I am bad but I'm curious as to why you seem to think so now. As for your other reads: Won't lynch Tolkien today, would lynch Jeff but at that point it's policy because he's doing dick all, same as Coma/owb and whatnot. I see what you're saying about Asmo---could probably actually lynch into any of the top three you suggested though I'd balk a little at Alzadar for reasons I gave earlier. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 12 2014 07:17 jcarlsoniv wrote: so are you voting Asmo, Alaric? That post only has slightly more useful information than MoonBear's. Lots of "suspicious" isn't really worth mentioning, you should be suspicious of everyone. Even "very suspicious" is pretty noncommittal for someone who's top on your scum list. Wat---this is WAY more useful than MB---and considering you're voting for MB at the moment I'm not sure how you can only offer a bare distinction. If you're getting at semantics then forget the fact that he says suspicious a lot and look at who he specifically names as scum reads and in which order. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
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But nobody else is able to throw around anything but baseless conjecture anyways so I don't think that I'm really that far behind in terms of actual tangible contribution. I was trying intentionally to aggravate Wave to bait him into telling me more about the game without me actually asking, in order for me to get better. Wave gets mad in this game really easily though so tbh there was a lot of entertainment value there. One thing I have noticed, is that Coma hasn't been speaking. Is there a precedent for lurkers being scum? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 12 2014 07:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote: TBH the reason I'm avoiding actually saying anything substantial is because I suck at the game and want to play my cards close to my chest until I legitimately learn what good ideas even are in this game. But nobody else is able to throw around anything but baseless conjecture anyways so I don't think that I'm really that far behind in terms of actual tangible contribution. I was trying intentionally to aggravate Wave to bait him into telling me more about the game without me actually asking, in order for me to get better. Wave gets mad in this game really easily though so tbh there was a lot of entertainment value there. One thing I have noticed, is that Coma hasn't been speaking. Is there a precedent for lurkers being scum? Yeah that wasn't obvious in the slightest. Just play the damn game. Yes lurkers can be scum, no, there's no good way of knowing. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 12 2014 07:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat---this is WAY more useful than MB---and considering you're voting for MB at the moment I'm not sure how you can only offer a bare distinction. If you're getting at semantics then forget the fact that he says suspicious a lot and look at who he specifically names as scum reads and in which order. Oh , the fact that Alaric actually came to conclusions is wonderful. I suppose it's more useful than I let on, but still, at it's core it's a big list post, which I tend to dislike. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
always necessary in newbie games | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 12 2014 07:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh , the fact that Alaric actually came to conclusions is wonderful. I suppose it's more useful than I let on, but still, at it's core it's a big list post, which I tend to dislike. Better than Asmo's I really don't want to lurker/policy lynch today and I'm hoping it doesn't come to that. | ||
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